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10/10/2016 8:25:27 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
Obama clearly has no clue about how our economic system works. He enacts socialist policies such as Obamacare, which simply do not work! Obamacare is causing insurance premiums to go up 60% in some cases from 2015 to 2016. A majority of jobs are created by small businesses, and now they will not have as much money to hire new staff. Since Obamacare was enacted, small businesses are spending millions of dollars in additional insurance expenses on their employees.
What is even more sad about all of this is that I 100% GUARANTEE you that you will not hear this or read this anywhere else. The main news outlets will not cover this and no one will complain about this even though it will crush our economy in the long run. This is why it is imperative for you to vote Republican in the 2016 election. Voting Democrat will further destroy our precious economy.
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10/10/2016 9:23:14 PM
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At 10/10/2016 8:25:27 PM, mvargas1 wrote:
Obama clearly has no clue about how our economic system works. He enacts socialist policies such as Obamacare, which simply do not work! Obamacare is causing insurance premiums to go up 60% in some cases from 2015 to 2016. A majority of jobs are created by small businesses, and now they will not have as much money to hire new staff. Since Obamacare was enacted, small businesses are spending millions of dollars in additional insurance expenses on their employees.
What is even more sad about all of this is that I 100% GUARANTEE you that you will not hear this or read this anywhere else. The main news outlets will not cover this and no one will complain about this even though it will crush our economy in the long run. This is why it is imperative for you to vote Republican in the 2016 election. Voting Democrat will further destroy our precious economy.

When your opponents best arguments against you are that you were born in Kenya you must be doing something right.
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10/10/2016 9:34:25 PM
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Obama is probably one of the best Presidents in resent history. Granted that's not saying much given the crapshoot we've been given here.
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10/11/2016 1:37:12 AM
Posted: 2 months ago
He is pretty bad, but honestly FDR was the worst. He has pulled us further away from Laisse Faire than any other president ever. Which should be the only measure we judge a president by,
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10/11/2016 1:44:53 AM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 10/10/2016 8:25:27 PM, mvargas1 wrote:
Obama clearly has no clue about how our economic system works. He enacts socialist policies such as Obamacare, which simply do not work! Obamacare is causing insurance premiums to go up 60% in some cases from 2015 to 2016. A majority of jobs are created by small businesses, and now they will not have as much money to hire new staff. Since Obamacare was enacted, small businesses are spending millions of dollars in additional insurance expenses on their employees.
What is even more sad about all of this is that I 100% GUARANTEE you that you will not hear this or read this anywhere else. The main news outlets will not cover this and no one will complain about this even though it will crush our economy in the long run. This is why it is imperative for you to vote Republican in the 2016 election. Voting Democrat will further destroy our precious economy.

I disagree. I think the worst president in US history is a running tie between Woodrow Wilson and FDR.
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10/11/2016 11:25:49 AM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/10/2016 8:25:27 PM, mvargas1 wrote:
Obama clearly has no clue about how our economic system works. He enacts socialist policies such as Obamacare, which simply do not work! Obamacare is causing insurance premiums to go up 60% in some cases from 2015 to 2016. A majority of jobs are created by small businesses, and now they will not have as much money to hire new staff. Since Obamacare was enacted, small businesses are spending millions of dollars in additional insurance expenses on their employees.
What is even more sad about all of this is that I 100% GUARANTEE you that you will not hear this or read this anywhere else. The main news outlets will not cover this and no one will complain about this even though it will crush our economy in the long run. This is why it is imperative for you to vote Republican in the 2016 election. Voting Democrat will further destroy our precious economy.

I don't think that Obama is worst than James Buchanan or Warren G Harding.

Second of all, Obamacare IS NOT a socialist policy because it doesn't far enough; it's a haphazard policy because he had to compromise so much in order to get it passed.
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10/11/2016 11:28:00 AM
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At 10/11/2016 1:37:12 AM, Wylted wrote:
He is pretty bad, but honestly FDR was the worst. He has pulled us further away from Laisse Faire than any other president ever. Which should be the only measure we judge a president by,

FDR the worst? According to polls, both Liberals and Conservatives both consider FDR one of American's best Presidents.

It seems to me that you are a Libertarian and subscribe to neo-liberal economics. Let it be known that no country on earth has a neo-liberal economy because it doesn't work. There is simply no historical precedent for a neo-liberal economy.
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10/11/2016 12:22:11 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/10/2016 8:25:27 PM, mvargas1 wrote:
Obama clearly has no clue about how our economic system works. He enacts socialist policies such as Obamacare, which simply do not work! Obamacare is causing insurance premiums to go up 60% in some cases from 2015 to 2016. A majority of jobs are created by small businesses, and now they will not have as much money to hire new staff. Since Obamacare was enacted, small businesses are spending millions of dollars in additional insurance expenses on their employees.

Some insurance premiums are spiking, but others are falling. The overall trend isn't significant, and hardly correlates with Obamacare.

Also, there is no evidence suggesting that they're spiking at 60% more.

What is even more sad about all of this is that I 100% GUARANTEE you that you will not hear this or read this anywhere else. The main news outlets will not cover this and no one will complain about this even though it will crush our economy in the long run. This is why it is imperative for you to vote Republican in the 2016 election. Voting Democrat will further destroy our precious economy.

You've offered no evidence.
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10/11/2016 12:23:59 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/11/2016 11:28:00 AM, augcaesarustus wrote:
At 10/11/2016 1:37:12 AM, Wylted wrote:
He is pretty bad, but honestly FDR was the worst. He has pulled us further away from Laisse Faire than any other president ever. Which should be the only measure we judge a president by,

FDR the worst? According to polls, both Liberals and Conservatives both consider FDR one of American's best Presidents.

It seems to me that you are a Libertarian and subscribe to neo-liberal economics. Let it be known that no country on earth has a neo-liberal economy because it doesn't work. There is simply no historical precedent for a neo-liberal economy.

Lol, almost all countries in the world, including the U.S., have a neoliberal economy. Neoliberalism isn't a 100% free market.
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10/11/2016 12:41:07 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/10/2016 8:25:27 PM, mvargas1 wrote:
Obama clearly has no clue about how our economic system works. He enacts socialist policies such as Obamacare, which simply do not work! Obamacare is causing insurance premiums to go up 60% in some cases from 2015 to 2016. A majority of jobs are created by small businesses, and now they will not have as much money to hire new staff. Since Obamacare was enacted, small businesses are spending millions of dollars in additional insurance expenses on their employees.
What is even more sad about all of this is that I 100% GUARANTEE you that you will not hear this or read this anywhere else. The main news outlets will not cover this and no one will complain about this even though it will crush our economy in the long run. This is why it is imperative for you to vote Republican in the 2016 election. Voting Democrat will further destroy our precious economy.

I agree, economics need to be supply side oriented not demand style oriented
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10/11/2016 12:44:56 PM
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At 10/10/2016 9:34:25 PM, lannan13 wrote:
Obama is probably one of the best Presidents in resent history. Granted that's not saying much given the crapshoot we've been given here.

I thought you were a libertarian? Hes awful economically and socially
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10/11/2016 1:47:09 PM
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At 10/11/2016 12:44:56 PM, TeaPatriot wrote:
At 10/10/2016 9:34:25 PM, lannan13 wrote:
Obama is probably one of the best Presidents in resent history. Granted that's not saying much given the crapshoot we've been given here.

I thought you were a libertarian? Hes awful economically and socially

Yes, but he's not the worst. Andrew Johnson and James B. both fight for that hat.
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10/11/2016 2:23:34 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/11/2016 12:41:07 PM, TeaPatriot wrote:
At 10/10/2016 8:25:27 PM, mvargas1 wrote:
Obama clearly has no clue about how our economic system works. He enacts socialist policies such as Obamacare, which simply do not work! Obamacare is causing insurance premiums to go up 60% in some cases from 2015 to 2016. A majority of jobs are created by small businesses, and now they will not have as much money to hire new staff. Since Obamacare was enacted, small businesses are spending millions of dollars in additional insurance expenses on their employees.
What is even more sad about all of this is that I 100% GUARANTEE you that you will not hear this or read this anywhere else. The main news outlets will not cover this and no one will complain about this even though it will crush our economy in the long run. This is why it is imperative for you to vote Republican in the 2016 election. Voting Democrat will further destroy our precious economy.

I agree, economics need to be supply side oriented not demand style oriented

Show me anywhere supply side economics has worked. Just one.
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10/11/2016 2:41:28 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/11/2016 11:28:00 AM, augcaesarustus wrote:
At 10/11/2016 1:37:12 AM, Wylted wrote:
He is pretty bad, but honestly FDR was the worst. He has pulled us further away from Laisse Faire than any other president ever. Which should be the only measure we judge a president by,

FDR the worst? According to polls, both Liberals and Conservatives both consider FDR one of American's best Presidents.

It seems to me that you are a Libertarian and subscribe to neo-liberal economics. Let it be known that no country on earth has a neo-liberal economy because it doesn't work. There is simply no historical precedent for a neo-liberal economy.

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10/11/2016 6:55:50 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/10/2016 8:25:27 PM, mvargas1 wrote:
Obama clearly has no clue about how our economic system works. He enacts socialist policies such as Obamacare, which simply do not work! Obamacare is causing insurance premiums to go up 60% in some cases from 2015 to 2016. A majority of jobs are created by small businesses, and now they will not have as much money to hire new staff. Since Obamacare was enacted, small businesses are spending millions of dollars in additional insurance expenses on their employees.
What is even more sad about all of this is that I 100% GUARANTEE you that you will not hear this or read this anywhere else. The main news outlets will not cover this and no one will complain about this even though it will crush our economy in the long run. This is why it is imperative for you to vote Republican in the 2016 election. Voting Democrat will further destroy our precious economy.

If Obamacare is socialist, then I'm a unicorn.

And is he really the worst?
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10/11/2016 6:58:52 PM
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The worst ?
To be the worst he would have to do lots of bad stuff in the next few months to catch up to W.
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10/11/2016 7:53:34 PM
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At 10/11/2016 2:23:34 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/11/2016 12:41:07 PM, TeaPatriot wrote:
At 10/10/2016 8:25:27 PM, mvargas1 wrote:
Obama clearly has no clue about how our economic system works. He enacts socialist policies such as Obamacare, which simply do not work! Obamacare is causing insurance premiums to go up 60% in some cases from 2015 to 2016. A majority of jobs are created by small businesses, and now they will not have as much money to hire new staff. Since Obamacare was enacted, small businesses are spending millions of dollars in additional insurance expenses on their employees.
What is even more sad about all of this is that I 100% GUARANTEE you that you will not hear this or read this anywhere else. The main news outlets will not cover this and no one will complain about this even though it will crush our economy in the long run. This is why it is imperative for you to vote Republican in the 2016 election. Voting Democrat will further destroy our precious economy.

I agree, economics need to be supply side oriented not demand style oriented

Show me anywhere supply side economics has worked. Just one.

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10/12/2016 9:22:40 AM
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At 10/11/2016 12:23:59 PM, tejretics wrote:
At 10/11/2016 11:28:00 AM, augcaesarustus wrote:
At 10/11/2016 1:37:12 AM, Wylted wrote:
He is pretty bad, but honestly FDR was the worst. He has pulled us further away from Laisse Faire than any other president ever. Which should be the only measure we judge a president by,

FDR the worst? According to polls, both Liberals and Conservatives both consider FDR one of American's best Presidents.

It seems to me that you are a Libertarian and subscribe to neo-liberal economics. Let it be known that no country on earth has a neo-liberal economy because it doesn't work. There is simply no historical precedent for a neo-liberal economy.

Lol, almost all countries in the world, including the U.S., have a neoliberal economy. Neoliberalism isn't a 100% free market.

My understanding of neoliberalism is that it is an ideology that focuses on the market mechanism as its core belief. By that definition, most countries don't have neoliberal economy, because most of those countries believe in government intervention.
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10/12/2016 11:47:49 PM
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At 10/11/2016 11:28:00 AM, augcaesarustus wrote:
At 10/11/2016 1:37:12 AM, Wylted wrote:
He is pretty bad, but honestly FDR was the worst. He has pulled us further away from Laisse Faire than any other president ever. Which should be the only measure we judge a president by,

FDR the worst? According to polls, both Liberals and Conservatives both consider FDR one of American's best Presidents.

It seems to me that you are a Libertarian and subscribe to neo-liberal economics. Let it be known that no country on earth has a neo-liberal economy because it doesn't work. There is simply no historical precedent for a neo-liberal economy.

It does work and has been done in several societies despite conventional wisdom telling you otherwise. Besides that, a simple look at the economic freedom index shows a correlation between how free a market is, and how successful their economies are.Besides that, we should enact the best economic policies, whether they have precedent or not. Besides all that, It is unethical for governments to control an economy, whether society is better off from it or not.
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10/13/2016 12:07:04 AM
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So you think Obama is the worst? Compare him to presidents like Woodrow Wilson, Jimmy Carter, Franklin Pierce, or George W. Bush and you'll have a hell of a time.
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10/13/2016 3:00:06 AM
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^James Buchanan did not let the southern states secede. Abe Lincoln made the southern states secede.
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10/13/2016 6:34:41 AM
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At 10/12/2016 11:47:49 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 10/11/2016 11:28:00 AM, augcaesarustus wrote:
At 10/11/2016 1:37:12 AM, Wylted wrote:
He is pretty bad, but honestly FDR was the worst. He has pulled us further away from Laisse Faire than any other president ever. Which should be the only measure we judge a president by,

FDR the worst? According to polls, both Liberals and Conservatives both consider FDR one of American's best Presidents.

It seems to me that you are a Libertarian and subscribe to neo-liberal economics. Let it be known that no country on earth has a neo-liberal economy because it doesn't work. There is simply no historical precedent for a neo-liberal economy.

It does work and has been done in several societies despite conventional wisdom telling you otherwise. Besides that, a simple look at the economic freedom index shows a correlation between how free a market is, and how successful their economies are.Besides that, we should enact the best economic policies, whether they have precedent or not. Besides all that, It is unethical for governments to control an economy, whether society is better off from it or not.

Your last point is clearly ideological; even it works in practice, it should not be implemented? Such a commitment to ideology is what communists were regarding their economic policies. As a libertarian, you shouldn't fall into the same trap, and neither should anyone else for that matter.

The question of whether the Government should or should not control the economy is not a matter of ethics but a matter of pragmatism. The reason why the Government controls the economy is because it's the only entity that has a monopoly on coercive power.

Finally, countries in Scandinavia and Western Europe have some of the highest standards of living in the world, and there is much government intervention in the economy, ranging from single-payer healthcare, and fixing minimum wages.
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10/13/2016 2:15:08 PM
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At 10/13/2016 6:34:41 AM, augcaesarustus wrote:
At 10/12/2016 11:47:49 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 10/11/2016 11:28:00 AM, augcaesarustus wrote:
At 10/11/2016 1:37:12 AM, Wylted wrote:
He is pretty bad, but honestly FDR was the worst. He has pulled us further away from Laisse Faire than any other president ever. Which should be the only measure we judge a president by,

FDR the worst? According to polls, both Liberals and Conservatives both consider FDR one of American's best Presidents.

It seems to me that you are a Libertarian and subscribe to neo-liberal economics. Let it be known that no country on earth has a neo-liberal economy because it doesn't work. There is simply no historical precedent for a neo-liberal economy.

It does work and has been done in several societies despite conventional wisdom telling you otherwise. Besides that, a simple look at the economic freedom index shows a correlation between how free a market is, and how successful their economies are.Besides that, we should enact the best economic policies, whether they have precedent or not. Besides all that, It is unethical for governments to control an economy, whether society is better off from it or not.

Your last point is clearly ideological; even it works in practice, it should not be implemented? Such a commitment to ideology is what communists were regarding their economic policies. As a libertarian, you shouldn't fall into the same trap, and neither should anyone else for that matter.

The question of whether the Government should or should not control the economy is not a matter of ethics but a matter of pragmatism. The reason why the Government controls the economy is because it's the only entity that has a monopoly on coercive power.

No it's a matter of ethics. If it is unethical for a government to do more than protect negative rights, then even if it has the action they take has good consequence, it is unethical. Most people are not utilitarians.

Finally, countries in Scandinavia and Western Europe have some of the highest standards of living in the world, and there is much government intervention in the economy, ranging from single-payer healthcare, and fixing minimum wages.

Here is the economic freedom index, look again at what countries are on top. http://www.heritage.org...
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10/14/2016 4:24:14 AM
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At 10/13/2016 2:15:08 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 10/13/2016 6:34:41 AM, augcaesarustus wrote:
At 10/12/2016 11:47:49 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 10/11/2016 11:28:00 AM, augcaesarustus wrote:
At 10/11/2016 1:37:12 AM, Wylted wrote:
He is pretty bad, but honestly FDR was the worst. He has pulled us further away from Laisse Faire than any other president ever. Which should be the only measure we judge a president by,

FDR the worst? According to polls, both Liberals and Conservatives both consider FDR one of American's best Presidents.

It seems to me that you are a Libertarian and subscribe to neo-liberal economics. Let it be known that no country on earth has a neo-liberal economy because it doesn't work. There is simply no historical precedent for a neo-liberal economy.

It does work and has been done in several societies despite conventional wisdom telling you otherwise. Besides that, a simple look at the economic freedom index shows a correlation between how free a market is, and how successful their economies are.Besides that, we should enact the best economic policies, whether they have precedent or not. Besides all that, It is unethical for governments to control an economy, whether society is better off from it or not.

Your last point is clearly ideological; even it works in practice, it should not be implemented? Such a commitment to ideology is what communists were regarding their economic policies. As a libertarian, you shouldn't fall into the same trap, and neither should anyone else for that matter.

The question of whether the Government should or should not control the economy is not a matter of ethics but a matter of pragmatism. The reason why the Government controls the economy is because it's the only entity that has a monopoly on coercive power.

No it's a matter of ethics. If it is unethical for a government to do more than protect negative rights, then even if it has the action they take has good consequence, it is unethical. Most people are not utilitarians.

In your view, it is unethical. I see it as unethical if the Government doesn't do anything to ensure equitable access to my basic needs in society.

Second, as I stated before, your view that 'even if the action they take has good consequences, it is unethical' is an extremely idealistic point of view, akin to the idealistic viewpoints of Communists who are diametrically opposed to the free market. Communists would argue that the 'accumulation of profit' is ultimately unethical, even if people would be charitable with that money.' It's the same premise.

Finally, countries in Scandinavia and Western Europe have some of the highest standards of living in the world, and there is much government intervention in the economy, ranging from single-payer healthcare, and fixing minimum wages.

Here is the economic freedom index, look again at what countries are on top. http://www.heritage.org...

You have quoted 'economic freedom'. I am referring to 'Quality of Life' which are two different indicators. According to the United Nations Inequality-adjusted Human Development Index' the United States is ranked 27th, below Poland and Malta, whilst Scandinavian and Western European nations are within the top ten of that list.
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10/14/2016 4:31:24 AM
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, it is unethical. I see it as unethical if the Government doesn't do anything to ensure equitable access to my basic needs in society.

You would be incorrect, but you are entitled to your opinion, no matter how wrong it is.

Second, as I stated before, your view that 'even if the action they take has good consequences, it is unethical' is an extremely idealistic point of view, akin to the idealistic viewpoints of Communists who are diametrically opposed to the free market. Communists would argue that the 'accumulation of profit' is ultimately unethical, even if people would be charitable with that money.' It's the same premise.


It isn't the same premise. It is just 2 ideologies who interpret ethics in a different way then you do, the only thing they have in common, is that they hold ethical viewpoints that do not match your own.

Finally, countries in Scandinavia and Western Europe have some of the highest standards of living in the world, and there is much government intervention in the economy, ranging from single-payer healthcare, and fixing minimum wages.

Here is the economic freedom index, look again at what countries are on top. http://www.heritage.org...

You have quoted 'economic freedom'. I am referring to 'Quality of Life' which are two different indicators. According to the United Nations Inequality-adjusted Human Development Index' the United States is ranked 27th, below Poland and Malta, whilst Scandinavian and Western European nations are within the top ten of that list.

Yes there quality of life is higher, but they are also ranked higher on the economic freedom index than the United States. A direct correlation can be seen between quality of life and how close a country comes to having a Laisse Faire system as can be seen with the economic freedom index that places those scandinavian countries so high.
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10/14/2016 4:51:52 AM
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Not even close. How about Andrew Jackson? Richard Nixon? Jimmy Carter?
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10/14/2016 9:32:40 AM
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At 10/14/2016 4:31:24 AM, Wylted wrote:
, it is unethical. I see it as unethical if the Government doesn't do anything to ensure equitable access to my basic needs in society.

You would be incorrect, but you are entitled to your opinion, no matter how wrong it is.

As are you.

Second, as I stated before, your view that 'even if the action they take has good consequences, it is unethical' is an extremely idealistic point of view, akin to the idealistic viewpoints of Communists who are diametrically opposed to the free market. Communists would argue that the 'accumulation of profit' is ultimately unethical, even if people would be charitable with that money.' It's the same premise.


It isn't the same premise. It is just 2 ideologies who interpret ethics in a different way then you do, the only thing they have in common, is that they hold ethical viewpoints that do not match your own.

I agree: neither match my own; but at least one of the above don't your own.

Finally, countries in Scandinavia and Western Europe have some of the highest standards of living in the world, and there is much government intervention in the economy, ranging from single-payer healthcare, and fixing minimum wages.

Here is the economic freedom index, look again at what countries are on top. http://www.heritage.org...

You have quoted 'economic freedom'. I am referring to 'Quality of Life' which are two different indicators. According to the United Nations Inequality-adjusted Human Development Index' the United States is ranked 27th, below Poland and Malta, whilst Scandinavian and Western European nations are within the top ten of that list.

Yes there quality of life is higher, but they are also ranked higher on the economic freedom index than the United States. A direct correlation can be seen between quality of life and how close a country comes to having a Laisse Faire system as can be seen with the economic freedom index that places those scandinavian countries so high.

As a libertarian, I would deduce that you are against single-payer healthcare? All of the countries in the top ten of that HDI list have single-payer healthcare system (or high government regulation). Those countries also have high minimum-wage laws; and strict labour laws, such as family leave, etc. That is hardly economic freedom by a libertarian standard.