Total Posts:11|Showing Posts:1-11
Jump to topic:

Columbus Day

bballcrook21
Posts: 4,468
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
10/11/2016 1:42:32 AM
Posted: 1 month ago
From Dr. William J Connell, Seton Hall University:

"When thinking about the Columbus Day holiday it helps to remember the good intentions of the people who put together the first parade in New York.
Columbus Day was first proclaimed a national holiday by President Benjamin Harrison in 1892, 400 years after Columbus"s first voyage.

The idea, lost on present-day critics of the holiday, was that this would be a national holiday that would be special for recognizing both Native Americans, who were here before Columbus, and the many immigrants"including Italians"who were just then coming to this country in astounding numbers. It was to be a national holiday that was not about the Founding Fathers or the Civil War, but about the rest of American history...

You won"t find it in the public literature surrounding the first Columbus Day in 1892, but in the background lay two recent tragedies, one involving Native Americans, the other involving Italian Americans. The first tragedy was the massacre by U.S. troops of between 146 and 200 Lakota Sioux, including men, women and children, at Wounded Knee, South Dakota, on December 29, 1890..."

A second tragedy in the immediate background of the 1892 Columbus celebration took place in New Orleans. There, on March 14, 1891"only 10 weeks after the Wounded Knee Massacre"11 Italians were lynched in prison by a mob led by prominent Louisiana politicians."

Columbus day was enacted as a federal holiday to precisely to recognize Native Americans, and recent Italian-Catholic immigrants. It was an inclusionary holiday to celebrate the melting pot that was / is American culture, not celebrate one explorers specific treatment and ideals that were exactly the same as other explorers of the 15th Century.
If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand. - Friedman

Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. -Friedman

Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program. - Friedman

Society will never be free until the last Democrat is strangled with the entrails of the last Communist.
bballcrook21
Posts: 4,468
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
10/11/2016 4:20:38 AM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/11/2016 2:08:41 AM, UtherPenguin wrote:
The title misspelt Thanksgiving...

No it didn't.
If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand. - Friedman

Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. -Friedman

Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program. - Friedman

Society will never be free until the last Democrat is strangled with the entrails of the last Communist.
bballcrook21
Posts: 4,468
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
10/11/2016 4:20:51 AM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/11/2016 2:03:23 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
Gee I wonder how people will respond to this post...

We wuz Nativez and shiet
If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand. - Friedman

Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. -Friedman

Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program. - Friedman

Society will never be free until the last Democrat is strangled with the entrails of the last Communist.
triangle.128k
Posts: 3,646
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
10/11/2016 4:23:36 AM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/11/2016 4:20:51 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 10/11/2016 2:03:23 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
Gee I wonder how people will respond to this post...

We wuz Nativez and shiet

We wuz banned and shiet (i'm being banned)
bballcrook21
Posts: 4,468
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
10/11/2016 4:26:14 AM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/11/2016 4:23:36 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 10/11/2016 4:20:51 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 10/11/2016 2:03:23 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
Gee I wonder how people will respond to this post...

We wuz Nativez and shiet

We wuz banned and shiet (i'm being banned)

Did you call someone a sand nigg%er again?
If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand. - Friedman

Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. -Friedman

Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program. - Friedman

Society will never be free until the last Democrat is strangled with the entrails of the last Communist.
triangle.128k
Posts: 3,646
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
10/11/2016 4:27:52 AM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/11/2016 4:26:14 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 10/11/2016 4:23:36 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 10/11/2016 4:20:51 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 10/11/2016 2:03:23 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
Gee I wonder how people will respond to this post...

We wuz Nativez and shiet

We wuz banned and shiet (i'm being banned)

Did you call someone a sand nigg%er again?

nah, I just called that queergender guy an "attention seeking f@ggot"
bballcrook21
Posts: 4,468
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
10/11/2016 4:29:10 AM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/11/2016 4:27:52 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 10/11/2016 4:26:14 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 10/11/2016 4:23:36 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 10/11/2016 4:20:51 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 10/11/2016 2:03:23 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
Gee I wonder how people will respond to this post...

We wuz Nativez and shiet

We wuz banned and shiet (i'm being banned)

Did you call someone a sand nigg%er again?

nah, I just called that queergender guy an "attention seeking f@ggot"

Well, writing "i'm genderqueer" in a title is both irrelevant and attention seeking, so you were right. How long is the ban?
If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand. - Friedman

Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. -Friedman

Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program. - Friedman

Society will never be free until the last Democrat is strangled with the entrails of the last Communist.
triangle.128k
Posts: 3,646
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
10/11/2016 4:29:41 AM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/11/2016 4:29:10 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 10/11/2016 4:27:52 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 10/11/2016 4:26:14 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 10/11/2016 4:23:36 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 10/11/2016 4:20:51 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 10/11/2016 2:03:23 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
Gee I wonder how people will respond to this post...

We wuz Nativez and shiet

We wuz banned and shiet (i'm being banned)

Did you call someone a sand nigg%er again?

nah, I just called that queergender guy an "attention seeking f@ggot"

Well, writing "i'm genderqueer" in a title is both irrelevant and attention seeking, so you were right. How long is the ban?

1 week, which isn't too bad.
SolonKR
Posts: 4,041
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
10/11/2016 4:30:47 AM
Posted: 1 month ago
I fail to understand the point of this post. Assuming this historical analysis is correct, why not just change it to "Native American Day" or heck, even "Multicultural Day"? The fact remains that people overwhelmingly see the holiday as a way to honor Columbus, who was objectively a bad person (most explorers were, and while the natives were certainly not peaceful, he was bad), and thus it probably should undergo a name change.

This isn't at the top of my priorities list (far more important would be fixing the reservation system), but I see no merit to any perspectives on this issue other than the one I just espoused.

Also, please stop it with the racial slurs. That's not cool.
SO to Bailey, the love of my life <3