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10/13/2016 4:18:15 AM
Posted: 1 month ago
Apparently Russia is ordering all high ranking officials and thier family to return home. This is generally seen as a preemptive aggressive move. [http://www.dailymail.co.uk...]

I personally don't think it's a prelude to war, although Russia has been aggressive in the past half decade they would certainly lose a war against the US. So any opinions? Are there any fears of a WW3? What can both sides do to ease tensions reasonably?
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10/13/2016 4:57:04 AM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/13/2016 4:25:12 AM, Wylted wrote:
Nope, we will be allies once the alt right takes over.

You think Trump will win? Ha.

I hope Trump does win, Milo can be his Lewinsky and his Russia bought whore can translate Putin's orders. Perfect soil for Bernie's seeds to grow.
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10/13/2016 4:57:13 AM
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At 10/13/2016 4:18:15 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
Apparently Russia is ordering all high ranking officials and thier family to return home. This is generally seen as a preemptive aggressive move. [http://www.dailymail.co.uk...]

I personally don't think it's a prelude to war, although Russia has been aggressive in the past half decade they would certainly lose a war against the US. So any opinions? Are there any fears of a WW3? What can both sides do to ease tensions reasonably?

If Russia fights half as well as Isis or the Vietnamese, they will easily crush us.
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10/13/2016 4:59:04 AM
Posted: 1 month ago
Really, all Russia has to do is convince the world that the USA says bad things about women, and then they can simply win by default because...Americans...
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10/13/2016 5:01:36 AM
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Here I'll do what many do: it's on dailymail and foxnews so it's not true...

Snarkiness aside, don't think you have too much to worry about. Putin loves the grandiose and posturing and this step is consistent with missile tests a few years back, fighter/bomber incursions in neighbors airspace (in addition to a few of our ships in the Baltic) and collusion with open to hurt our domestic oil-nattie gas industry. Is it to influence our election, some will contend yes. Is it to stay relevant on the world stage? I contend yes. Is it to show displeasure over the syria cooperation? Yep.

Unless you think he plans on preemptively striking us, with no allies of consequence on Russia's side (while most nations of relevance will be on ours, sans China and India who'd remain neutral) then it's typical Russian bluster.
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10/13/2016 5:02:22 AM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/13/2016 4:59:04 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
Really, all Russia has to do is convince the world that the USA says bad things about women, and then they can simply win by default because...Americans...

You're trolling too hard, your message isn't making sense.
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10/13/2016 5:07:17 AM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/13/2016 4:57:04 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 10/13/2016 4:25:12 AM, Wylted wrote:
Nope, we will be allies once the alt right takes over.

You think Trump will win? Ha.

I hope Trump does win, Milo can be his Lewinsky and his Russia bought whore can translate Putin's orders. Perfect soil for Bernie's seeds to grow.

I'm pretty sure he will win, but the alt right doesn't need him to win, for them to win. The alt right is also not really good for Bernie Sanders. Kids are moving away from his vision and moving towards a conservative one. We are approaching a time where for the first time in history, kids will be more conservative than their parents, sorry but that is bad for liberalism.
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10/13/2016 5:19:01 AM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/13/2016 5:07:17 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 10/13/2016 4:57:04 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 10/13/2016 4:25:12 AM, Wylted wrote:
Nope, we will be allies once the alt right takes over.

You think Trump will win? Ha.

I hope Trump does win, Milo can be his Lewinsky and his Russia bought whore can translate Putin's orders. Perfect soil for Bernie's seeds to grow.

I'm pretty sure he will win, but the alt right doesn't need him to win, for them to win. The alt right is also not really good for Bernie Sanders. Kids are moving away from his vision and moving towards a conservative one. We are approaching a time where for the first time in history, kids will be more conservative than their parents, sorry but that is bad for liberalism.

I beg for evidence of your grandiose claim.

As an aside, when breaking from the neo-liberal left - from what basement do you think Sanders supporters emerged in such great numbers?
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10/13/2016 5:25:36 AM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/13/2016 5:19:01 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 10/13/2016 5:07:17 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 10/13/2016 4:57:04 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 10/13/2016 4:25:12 AM, Wylted wrote:
Nope, we will be allies once the alt right takes over.

You think Trump will win? Ha.

I hope Trump does win, Milo can be his Lewinsky and his Russia bought whore can translate Putin's orders. Perfect soil for Bernie's seeds to grow.

I'm pretty sure he will win, but the alt right doesn't need him to win, for them to win. The alt right is also not really good for Bernie Sanders. Kids are moving away from his vision and moving towards a conservative one. We are approaching a time where for the first time in history, kids will be more conservative than their parents, sorry but that is bad for liberalism.

I beg for evidence of your grandiose claim.

As an aside, when breaking from the neo-liberal left - from what basement do you think Sanders supporters emerged in such great numbers?

from newly eligible 18 year old voters who are uneducated about politics and like hearing stupid platitudes like "war is bad" "free college is good". Those 18 year olds will mature, but more importantly the 13 year olds who are all moving towards the alt right movement will replace them, extremely shortly.

Maybe my claims are grandiose or unfounded, but I got those statements/concerns from several liberal blogs I follow, and I can feel the shift in the air, you can see the shift in DDO. When I first came on the site all the kids were socialist, now it's dominated by the alt right. The same thing seems to be happening everywhere across the web, and it will obviously be reflected in the polls soon enough.
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10/13/2016 5:37:54 AM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/13/2016 5:02:22 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 10/13/2016 4:59:04 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
Really, all Russia has to do is convince the world that the USA says bad things about women, and then they can simply win by default because...Americans...

You're trolling too hard, your message isn't making sense.

America doesn't make sense anymore.
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10/13/2016 5:58:13 AM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/13/2016 5:37:54 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 10/13/2016 5:02:22 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 10/13/2016 4:59:04 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
Really, all Russia has to do is convince the world that the USA says bad things about women, and then they can simply win by default because...Americans...

You're trolling too hard, your message isn't making sense.

America doesn't make sense anymore.

ANYMORE?! I beg for the moment it lost sanity.
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10/13/2016 5:59:21 AM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/13/2016 5:58:13 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 10/13/2016 5:37:54 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 10/13/2016 5:02:22 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 10/13/2016 4:59:04 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
Really, all Russia has to do is convince the world that the USA says bad things about women, and then they can simply win by default because...Americans...

You're trolling too hard, your message isn't making sense.

America doesn't make sense anymore.

ANYMORE?! I beg for the moment it lost sanity.

It was never great, it will never be great.
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10/13/2016 6:04:16 AM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/13/2016 5:25:36 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 10/13/2016 5:19:01 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 10/13/2016 5:07:17 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 10/13/2016 4:57:04 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 10/13/2016 4:25:12 AM, Wylted wrote:
Nope, we will be allies once the alt right takes over.

You think Trump will win? Ha.

I hope Trump does win, Milo can be his Lewinsky and his Russia bought whore can translate Putin's orders. Perfect soil for Bernie's seeds to grow.

I'm pretty sure he will win, but the alt right doesn't need him to win, for them to win. The alt right is also not really good for Bernie Sanders. Kids are moving away from his vision and moving towards a conservative one. We are approaching a time where for the first time in history, kids will be more conservative than their parents, sorry but that is bad for liberalism.

I beg for evidence of your grandiose claim.

As an aside, when breaking from the neo-liberal left - from what basement do you think Sanders supporters emerged in such great numbers?

from newly eligible 18 year old voters who are uneducated about politics and like hearing stupid platitudes like "war is bad" "free college is good".

I hope those immature Germans in which Bernie and I model the future of the US learn the flaws of thier ways. ... Wait. Germany is the strongest Econ in Europe despite universal tuition and healthcare? Fuk the mature Germans amirite?

Those 18 year olds will mature, but more importantly the 13 year olds who are all moving towards the alt right movement will replace them, extremely shortly.

Again, I beg for evidence to the youth revolt to the right.

Maybe my claims are grandiose or unfounded, but I got those statements/concerns from several liberal blogs I follow, and I can feel the shift in the air, you can see the shift in DDO.

I'd like access to your sources.

When I first came on the site all the kids were socialist, now it's dominated by the alt right. The same thing seems to be happening everywhere across the web, and it will obviously be reflected in the polls soon enough.

... you do know DDO isn't a representative demographic right? What about YYW? The king Milo who has gone full Hilary?
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10/13/2016 6:04:41 AM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/13/2016 5:59:21 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 10/13/2016 5:58:13 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 10/13/2016 5:37:54 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 10/13/2016 5:02:22 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 10/13/2016 4:59:04 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
Really, all Russia has to do is convince the world that the USA says bad things about women, and then they can simply win by default because...Americans...

You're trolling too hard, your message isn't making sense.

America doesn't make sense anymore.

ANYMORE?! I beg for the moment it lost sanity.

It was never great, it will never be great.

So MAGA is a lie?
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10/13/2016 6:07:22 AM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/13/2016 4:18:15 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
Apparently Russia is ordering all high ranking officials and thier family to return home. This is generally seen as a preemptive aggressive move. [http://www.dailymail.co.uk...]

I personally don't think it's a prelude to war, although Russia has been aggressive in the past half decade they would certainly lose a war against the US. So any opinions? Are there any fears of a WW3? What can both sides do to ease tensions reasonably?

Its probably just a power move by Putin to keep any dissenters inline within his own country. Ill bet that some Russian diplomat and his family living abroad undermined Putin in some way, but because they were abroad Putin couldnt do anything to them.... Now Putin is recalling all officials to return home with their families, an order they will certainly have to abide, and whoever made Putin mad is likely going to be heavily intimidated to not do so again, if not silenced completely.
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10/13/2016 6:10:02 AM
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I've been very rude to you in the past, i try to show respect, and I will here.

At 10/13/2016 5:01:36 AM, Stymie13 wrote:
Here I'll do what many do: it's on dailymail and foxnews so it's not true...

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

Snarkiness aside, don't think you have too much to worry about. Putin loves the grandiose and posturing and this step is consistent with missile tests a few years back, fighter/bomber incursions in neighbors airspace (in addition to a few of our ships in the Baltic) and collusion with open to hurt our domestic oil-nattie gas industry. Is it to influence our election, some will contend yes. Is it to stay relevant on the world stage? I contend yes. Is it to show displeasure over the syria cooperation? Yep.

The only candidate influenced by Putin posturing is Trump. I hate Hillary. but what's said is said.

Unless you think he plans on preemptively striking us, with no allies of consequence on Russia's side (while most nations of relevance will be on ours, sans China and India who'd remain neutral) then it's typical Russian bluster.

As I said in the OP, no, Russia would lose in a full front confrontation. But that doesn't mean Putin isn't planning something more devious in in the mean time - supporting the weakling Trump - placing missiles in hot spots- the chess pieces are moving.
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10/13/2016 6:12:57 AM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/13/2016 6:07:22 AM, imabench wrote:
At 10/13/2016 4:18:15 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
Apparently Russia is ordering all high ranking officials and thier family to return home. This is generally seen as a preemptive aggressive move. [http://www.dailymail.co.uk...]

I personally don't think it's a prelude to war, although Russia has been aggressive in the past half decade they would certainly lose a war against the US. So any opinions? Are there any fears of a WW3? What can both sides do to ease tensions reasonably?

Its probably just a power move by Putin to keep any dissenters inline within his own country. Ill bet that some Russian diplomat and his family living abroad undermined Putin in some way, but because they were abroad Putin couldnt do anything to them.... Now Putin is recalling all officials to return home with their families, an order they will certainly have to abide, and whoever made Putin mad is likely going to be heavily intimidated to not do so again, if not silenced completely.

Very interesting. I then bet those confirmed loyal to Putin can ignore the order to corroborate the denile by Putin. But it still reeks of potential future hostility as he guarantee his future supremacy as Russia future.
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10/13/2016 11:23:03 AM
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At 10/13/2016 4:25:12 AM, Wylted wrote:
Nope, we will be allies once the alt right takes over.

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10/13/2016 12:37:25 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/13/2016 6:10:02 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
I've been very rude to you in the past, i try to show respect, and I will here.

At 10/13/2016 5:01:36 AM, Stymie13 wrote:
Here I'll do what many do: it's on dailymail and foxnews so it's not true...

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

Snarkiness aside, don't think you have too much to worry about. Putin loves the grandiose and posturing and this step is consistent with missile tests a few years back, fighter/bomber incursions in neighbors airspace (in addition to a few of our ships in the Baltic) and collusion with open to hurt our domestic oil-nattie gas industry. Is it to influence our election, some will contend yes. Is it to stay relevant on the world stage? I contend yes. Is it to show displeasure over the syria cooperation? Yep.

The only candidate influenced by Putin posturing is Trump. I hate Hillary. but what's said is said.

Unless you think he plans on preemptively striking us, with no allies of consequence on Russia's side (while most nations of relevance will be on ours, sans China and India who'd remain neutral) then it's typical Russian bluster.

As I said in the OP, no, Russia would lose in a full front confrontation. But that doesn't mean Putin isn't planning something more devious in in the mean time - supporting the weakling Trump - placing missiles in hot spots- the chess pieces are moving.

Rude doesn't bother me.

To me it's posturing. Where concern should be shown is between Putin (he is Russia after all) and the OPEC companies. I seen Apple in its infinite wisdom changed OPEC to open.
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10/13/2016 1:22:33 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/13/2016 6:04:16 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 10/13/2016 5:25:36 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 10/13/2016 5:19:01 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 10/13/2016 5:07:17 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 10/13/2016 4:57:04 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 10/13/2016 4:25:12 AM, Wylted wrote:
Nope, we will be allies once the alt right takes over.

You think Trump will win? Ha.

I hope Trump does win, Milo can be his Lewinsky and his Russia bought whore can translate Putin's orders. Perfect soil for Bernie's seeds to grow.

I'm pretty sure he will win, but the alt right doesn't need him to win, for them to win. The alt right is also not really good for Bernie Sanders. Kids are moving away from his vision and moving towards a conservative one. We are approaching a time where for the first time in history, kids will be more conservative than their parents, sorry but that is bad for liberalism.

I beg for evidence of your grandiose claim.

As an aside, when breaking from the neo-liberal left - from what basement do you think Sanders supporters emerged in such great numbers?

from newly eligible 18 year old voters who are uneducated about politics and like hearing stupid platitudes like "war is bad" "free college is good".

I hope those immature Germans in which Bernie and I model the future of the US learn the flaws of thier ways. ... Wait. Germany is the strongest Econ in Europe despite universal tuition and healthcare? Fuk the mature Germans amirite?

Those 18 year olds will mature, but more importantly the 13 year olds who are all moving towards the alt right movement will replace them, extremely shortly.

Again, I beg for evidence to the youth revolt to the right.

Maybe my claims are grandiose or unfounded, but I got those statements/concerns from several liberal blogs I follow, and I can feel the shift in the air, you can see the shift in DDO.

I'd like access to your sources.

When I first came on the site all the kids were socialist, now it's dominated by the alt right. The same thing seems to be happening everywhere across the web, and it will obviously be reflected in the polls soon enough.

... you do know DDO isn't a representative demographic right? What about YYW? The king Milo who has gone full Hilary?

yeah germany great comparison (I'm guessing you are joking but)
The current population of Germany is 80,680,569 as of Thursday, October 13, 2016, based on the latest United Nations estimates.
Germany Population Forecast 2025 79,960,064it's going down, which is interesting
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is on a path of inexorable decline.
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yes we need to be whiter like germany
Ethnic groupsGerman 91.5%, Turkish 2.4%, other 6.1% (made up largely of Greek, Italian, Polish, Russian, Serbo-Croatian, Spanish)

anyway to the o.p. why would there be a ww3, I don't see a benefit to russia or china for that matter, I would expect russia to expand it's borders once hillary is in, that is probably what they are preparing for.
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10/13/2016 2:18:35 PM
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Maybe Russia supplied the missiles fired at our destroyers Sunday by Yemen causing our retaliation on their radar sites.

The Middle East... what a hoot!
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10/13/2016 2:34:34 PM
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At 10/13/2016 2:18:35 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
Maybe Russia supplied the missiles fired at our destroyers Sunday by Yemen causing our retaliation on their radar sites.

The Middle East... what a hoot!

If only they followed Hillary's advice and broadcasted warnings that there be terrorists among you, perhaps 4000 Yemen civilians would be alive,,,,,,not,
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10/13/2016 2:45:40 PM
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At 10/13/2016 2:34:34 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 10/13/2016 2:18:35 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
Maybe Russia supplied the missiles fired at our destroyers Sunday by Yemen causing our retaliation on their radar sites.

The Middle East... what a hoot!

If only they followed Hillary's advice and broadcasted warnings that there be terrorists among you, perhaps 4000 Yemen civilians would be alive,,,,,,not,

no, no, no it was because of a youtube video
we'll pay to have those sites rebuilt anyway so...
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10/13/2016 4:26:15 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/13/2016 4:07:38 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
Those crazy ruskies and their unbeatable wAr machine!

http://mobile.nytimes.com...

dang!
The tanks and missile launchers are not just blowup, but made to be blown up, with their most obvious use as decoys for drawing expensive, precision fire such as cruise missiles or laser-guided bombs away from real weapons systems.

More subtly, their purpose is to clutter the enemy"s decision making, forcing commanders to waste precious time verifying whether a newly discovered target is real or just hot air.
and they only cost about $16k vs a missile made by a country who is already 20 trillion in debt.....interesting concept, so maybe ww3 will mostly consist of cyber and economic warfare.
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10/13/2016 4:32:30 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/13/2016 4:26:15 PM, kevin24018 wrote:
At 10/13/2016 4:07:38 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
Those crazy ruskies and their unbeatable wAr machine!

http://mobile.nytimes.com...

dang!
The tanks and missile launchers are not just blowup, but made to be blown up, with their most obvious use as decoys for drawing expensive, precision fire such as cruise missiles or laser-guided bombs away from real weapons systems.

More subtly, their purpose is to clutter the enemy"s decision making, forcing commanders to waste precious time verifying whether a newly discovered target is real or just hot air.
and they only cost about $16k vs a missile made by a country who is already 20 trillion in debt.....interesting concept, so maybe ww3 will mostly consist of cyber and economic warfare.

Aren't facts and reality crazier, and more interesting, than theory?