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10/16/2016 3:59:37 AM
Posted: 1 month ago
Barack Obama's historic presidency is in the twilight of its final year. As it comes to a close, we can say with confidence that he has set a new standard for what being a good president means. Under his watch, our relations with almost all the developed and developing world has never been better. We have made new friendships in countries that were once sworn enemies (e.g. Cuba, Myanmar, etc.), and opened new doors for trade and economic cooperation among old allies (i.e. the Trans Pacific Partnership). Though not everything has been perfect (e.g. Libya) or even ideal (e.g. Iran), and some old enemies continue to poke sticks in our eyes (i.e. Russia), we continue to do everything we can to advance US interests abroad in a way that will serve our goals and ambitions in both the present and future. For this, we thank Barack Obama.

At home, President Obama has ushered in an era of restorative economic growth that has corrected the largess which resulted from imprudent financial deregulation in the 1990s. Crime rates are at historic lows on a national level, and jobs are coming back to the middle class. Kids have a better shot at being able to pay for college than they did before, and their parents are more likely to be able to retire with stable 401(k)s. The stock market has stabilized, even to the point where we can think about stopping QE3. Now, the 40,000,000 people in this country who didn't have access to health insurance under previous administrations can purchase it at reduced rates (though everyone would be much better off if people would just be more responsible and maintain that coverage). The US Oil industry is booming, and gas has never been cheaper for all Americans in this or the previous decade before 9/11 (when adjusted for inflation).

Despite an utterly recalcitrant legislature that did every conceivable thing to thwart everything President Obama tried to accomplish, he has consistently proven to be successful at out-witting them. The fact that he was able to get done as much as he was is a testament to his perseverance and tact as a politician and a leader.

My only regret is that he is term limited.
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10/16/2016 4:04:08 AM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/16/2016 3:59:37 AM, YYW wrote:
Barack Obama's historic presidency is in the twilight of its final year. As it comes to a close, we can say with confidence that he has set a new standard for what being a good president means. Under his watch, our relations with almost all the developed and developing world has never been better. We have made new friendships in countries that were once sworn enemies (e.g. Cuba, Myanmar, etc.), and opened new doors for trade and economic cooperation among old allies (i.e. the Trans Pacific Partnership). Though not everything has been perfect (e.g. Libya) or even ideal (e.g. Iran), and some old enemies continue to poke sticks in our eyes (i.e. Russia), we continue to do everything we can to advance US interests abroad in a way that will serve our goals and ambitions in both the present and future. For this, we thank Barack Obama.

At home, President Obama has ushered in an era of restorative economic growth that has corrected the largess which resulted from imprudent financial deregulation in the 1990s. Crime rates are at historic lows on a national level, and jobs are coming back to the middle class. Kids have a better shot at being able to pay for college than they did before, and their parents are more likely to be able to retire with stable 401(k)s. The stock market has stabilized, even to the point where we can think about stopping QE3. Now, the 40,000,000 people in this country who didn't have access to health insurance under previous administrations can purchase it at reduced rates (though everyone would be much better off if people would just be more responsible and maintain that coverage). The US Oil industry is booming, and gas has never been cheaper for all Americans in this or the previous decade before 9/11 (when adjusted for inflation).

Despite an utterly recalcitrant legislature that did every conceivable thing to thwart everything President Obama tried to accomplish, he has consistently proven to be successful at out-witting them. The fact that he was able to get done as much as he was is a testament to his perseverance and tact as a politician and a leader.

My only regret is that he is term limited.

Hyperbole much?
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10/16/2016 4:29:25 AM
Posted: 1 month ago
The National Debt is currently 19.7 trillion dollars, whereas it was 6.3 trillion dollars in January 2009.
Economic growth is at a mere 2.6% as of 2015; granted, we have been recovering from the 2008 catastrophe, so we can excuse moderately low growth. I must give credit for the lowest consumer prices that we've seen in perhaps decades, especially for oil.
The US is still secure from large-scale terror attacks, despite a sharp increase in lone wolf attacks since 2014.
Obama himself has not quite lived up to his potential as a great uniter and inspirer, though he has definitely improved the US's diplomatic standing with the world and its international image, and he has served to inspire minority youths across the country. Since the beginning of Obama's second term the country has experienced a dramatic increase in racial tension and division; while Donald Trump exacerbated this trend, it could also be said that Trump couldn't have risen had it not been for pre-existing racial tensions.
In Obama's second term Russia annexed Crimea and started a war in Ukraine's Donbass region, though it hasn't escalated from there. Tensions between the West and Russia are at their highest since the height of the Cold War. Obama has failed to provide any sort of strong response to the Syrian Civil War or the devastation in northern and central Iraq caused by the rise of ISIL, though the latter problem is slowly diminishing in severity and the terrorist group now appears to be on the verge of defeat, with an offensive campaign to retake Mosul coming very soon. China's illegal activities in the South China Sea and North Korea's nuclear program have also not been addressed, and these problems are growing. The Iran Deal has allowed the U.S. to breathe easier, though it may only be temporary. In the meantime Iran has stepped up conventional military provocations against the US in the Persian Gulf. China's economic growth has slowed, which is good news for the U.S.

Overall, I'd say "the best since FDR" is an exaggeration.
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10/16/2016 4:34:55 AM
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It could be said that Obama's first term was defined by the economy, whereas his second term was defined by race relations and geopolitical challenges.
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10/16/2016 6:32:24 AM
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At 10/16/2016 3:59:37 AM, YYW wrote:
Barack Obama's historic presidency is in the twilight of its final year. As it comes to a close, we can say with confidence that he has set a new standard :for what being a good president means.

Hoping this is sarcasm...

Under his watch, our relations with almost all the developed and developing world has never been better.

I still retain hope this is sarcasm...

We have made new friendships in countries that were once sworn enemies (e.g. Cuba, Myanmar, etc.),

We are not friends with Myanmar...and it's still recognized as Burma in the U.S. The reason we opened relations with Burma in 2011 is because Human Rights violations in Burma began to decrease significantly in 2011 with the change of government. U.S. and U.N. sanctions were demolishing the nation through 2010; this being a horrid year from Human Rights in Burma. Change of government in 2011 showed hope as violations significantly decreased. Sanctions were decreased in correlation with the drop in violations -- this was a show of good faith. As violations continued to decrease, nations began setting up embassies and allowing businesses to operate within Burma.

Although sanctions have decreased and business relationships have been allowed, no business can be done with any fighting forces including military forces within Burma. No business may be done with state or government in Burma. No business may be done specific people or entities listed as Specifically Designated Nationals of Burma. No business may be done with any entity owned 50% or more by Specifically Designated Nationals of Burma.

Human Rights violations began increasing once again in 2014 and have not slowed since. Burma's staged integration back into the western world starting in 2011 had NOTHING to do with Obama, it was 100% due to their own actions. The only thing Obama is responsible for is allowing relations to continue in-spite of Burma's return to Human Rights violations.

As for Cuba, Obama opened relations with them on the pretense the Cuba decrease its human rights violations. Cuba has done nothing to decrease its violations, but Obama refuses to react appropriately.

All I see here is Obama's lack of disciplinary response to negative behaviors.

and opened new doors for trade and economic cooperation among old allies (i.e. the Trans Pacific Partnership).

While successfully running the bus over the American workforce...then reversing back over us...then driving back over us.

...then ordered the full-thrust driven kamikaze attack of a fully loaded Saturn V rocket directly into the heart of the American workforce.

Though not everything has been perfect (e.g. Libya) or even ideal (e.g. Iran), and some old enemies continue to poke sticks in our eyes (i.e. Russia)

Should read "Though nothing worked (...) and everyone dropped logs on the U.S. and rubbed it in our face for 7 years (...)"

we continue to do everything we can to advance US interests abroad in a way that will serve our goals and ambitions in both the present and future. :For this, we thank Barack Obama.

Seven years in, I still ask "What exactly are our interests abroad?"

At home, President Obama has ushered in an era of restorative economic growth that has corrected the largess which resulted from imprudent :financial deregulation in the 1990s.

Obama is the first president since the great depression to not reach 3.0% economic growth a single time during presidency...this failure despite the fed maintaining a nothing interest rate. It is a well-known fact within the economic community that if the interest rates were increased at any point during his presidency, the U.S. economy would implode hard...this understanding having extremely high odds of happening. Poverty has gone through the roof as well as dependency on entitlements. Employment rates have gone through the basement...so deep in the basement, that Obama has been forced to depend on the U3 unemployment numbers to hide the U5 and U6 proper unemployment numbers.

That in mind...how exactly do you define "restorative economic growth"?

Crime rates are at historic lows on a national level

I would LOVE to see you explain how this is Obama's doing -- which completely defies every theory made by every single professional studying the trends since the 1960's.

and jobs are coming back to the middle class.

Really? Prove it...citation please.

Kids have a better shot at being able to pay for college than they did before

WHAT?!? HAHAHA Please send me a bag of whatever you're smoking.

and their parents are more likely to be able to retire with stable 401(k)s.

/Facepalm

Citation please.

The stock market has stabilized

Citation please.

Says last week's roller coaster ride to the dumps. You can thank the fed's interest rates for the ability of the economy to hover around where it has for years...nothing to do with Obama.

even to the point where we can think about stopping QE3.

QE3 already ended in October 2014. Again, this was 100% the fed and had nothing to do with Obama's actions; in fact it was not a positive act. Instead, this was done because the fed was on the tipping point, about to purchase so many bonds that they would lose interest values which would drive more consumers away from the market.

QE3 was replaced with a new program in which the fed began trading in their matured bonds for new bonds. The continued lack of consumer interest in the bonds due to their low interest rates kept the market stagnant.

Now, the 40,000,000 people in this country who didn't have access to health insurance under previous administrations can purchase it at reduced rates.

While choices of doctors, policies and even insurers has been tanked. Additionally, costs for all persons and families not qualifying for ACA entitlements have seen their premiums skyrocket 2009 - 2014:

1) Families with insurance through employer -- 48%
2) Single with insurance through employer -- 28%

And that's with employer covering high percentage of premiums, AND Obama delaying all of his ACA regulations as well as covering health insurance company's financial losses at 100% to artificially keep out-of-pocket costs low.

With all regulations going into full effect in 2017, individual health insurance costs have increased up to 60% nationwide. Would you like to discuss how insurance companies are cutting back Obamacare coverage in 2017? Most notably, Aetna estimating a 70% cutback in Obamacare coverage. So tax payers covered all monetary losses of insurance companies from 2010, allowing businesses like Aetna to go on a dead sprint, buying up as many insurance companies as they could without any fear monetarily...tax payers essentially bought companies for Aetna, now they turning us away.

How about the anti-trust and anti-monopoly lawsuits currently open against insurers due to all these tax payer backed acquisitions?

The US Oil industry is booming, and gas has never been cheaper for all Americans in this or the previous decade before 9/11 (when adjusted for inflation).

Due to massive over supply and under demand, leading to the recent international halt on drilling...not Obama's success.

Out of space, not able to hit last point.

My only regret is that he is term limited.

So I have to ask....was this all actually sarcasm? For reals bro.
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10/16/2016 6:33:40 AM
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At 10/16/2016 4:04:08 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 10/16/2016 3:59:37 AM, YYW wrote:
Barack Obama's historic presidency is in the twilight of its final year. As it comes to a close, we can say with confidence that he has set a new standard for what being a good president means. Under his watch, our relations with almost all the developed and developing world has never been better. We have made new friendships in countries that were once sworn enemies (e.g. Cuba, Myanmar, etc.), and opened new doors for trade and economic cooperation among old allies (i.e. the Trans Pacific Partnership). Though not everything has been perfect (e.g. Libya) or even ideal (e.g. Iran), and some old enemies continue to poke sticks in our eyes (i.e. Russia), we continue to do everything we can to advance US interests abroad in a way that will serve our goals and ambitions in both the present and future. For this, we thank Barack Obama.

At home, President Obama has ushered in an era of restorative economic growth that has corrected the largess which resulted from imprudent financial deregulation in the 1990s. Crime rates are at historic lows on a national level, and jobs are coming back to the middle class. Kids have a better shot at being able to pay for college than they did before, and their parents are more likely to be able to retire with stable 401(k)s. The stock market has stabilized, even to the point where we can think about stopping QE3. Now, the 40,000,000 people in this country who didn't have access to health insurance under previous administrations can purchase it at reduced rates (though everyone would be much better off if people would just be more responsible and maintain that coverage). The US Oil industry is booming, and gas has never been cheaper for all Americans in this or the previous decade before 9/11 (when adjusted for inflation).

Despite an utterly recalcitrant legislature that did every conceivable thing to thwart everything President Obama tried to accomplish, he has consistently proven to be successful at out-witting them. The fact that he was able to get done as much as he was is a testament to his perseverance and tact as a politician and a leader.

My only regret is that he is term limited.

Hyperbole much?

Gotta be
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10/16/2016 7:39:56 AM
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At 10/16/2016 3:59:37 AM, YYW wrote:
Barack Obama's historic presidency is in the twilight of its final year. As it comes to a close, we can say with confidence that he has set a new standard for what being a good president means. Under his watch, our relations with almost all the developed and developing world has never been better. We have made new friendships in countries that were once sworn enemies (e.g. Cuba, Myanmar, etc.), and opened new doors for trade and economic cooperation among old allies (i.e. the Trans Pacific Partnership). Though not everything has been perfect (e.g. Libya) or even ideal (e.g. Iran), and some old enemies continue to poke sticks in our eyes (i.e. Russia), we continue to do everything we can to advance US interests abroad in a way that will serve our goals and ambitions in both the present and future. For this, we thank Barack Obama.

Obama's only foreign policy achievements are better relations with Cuba and Iran. Even the deal with Itan is seen as controversial and not supported by a significant number of people.

The decision to take military action in Libya was a huge blunder. Bombing without a long term plan was simply illogical. Hoping a favourable democratic regime would succeed Gaddaffi was not a well thought out approach and inevitably a lawless state broken up into sections controlled by different armed groups, militias and terrorists is a worse situation than the Gaddaffi regime.

The decision to start bombing in Syria is also a mistake. It only provokes Russia and encourages terrorists to attack the USA. It's been a complete failure as the terrorists still control large swathes of territory. Syria is a mess and the sensible option is to sign a deal with Russia allowing Assad to regain full control. He is the only realistic way of establishing a stable regime and ending the fighting.

Obama's relationship with Russia though has been very poor. He has failed to contain Russian political or military aggression while creating significant tension and mistrust between the two countries. He failed to stop Russia annexing Crimea or end the war raged by Russia in eastern Ukraine.

What he should have done is offered Russia a deal, in return for the USA pulling our of Syria and recognizing Crimea as Russian territory Russia pulls out of east Ukraine and respects the new border.

Obama has also failed to contain Chinese ambition in the South China sea or done anything about North Korea which continues its nuclear weapons programme.

At home, President Obama has ushered in an era of restorative economic growth that has corrected the largess which resulted from imprudent financial deregulation in the 1990s. Crime rates are at historic lows on a national level, and jobs are coming back to the middle class. Kids have a better shot at being able to pay for college than they did before, and their parents are more likely to be able to retire with stable 401(k)s. The stock market has stabilized, even to the point where we can think about stopping QE3. Now, the 40,000,000 people in this country who didn't have access to health insurance under previous administrations can purchase it at reduced rates (though everyone would be much better off if people would just be more responsible and maintain that coverage). The US Oil industry is booming, and gas has never been cheaper for all Americans in this or the previous decade before 9/11 (when adjusted for inflation).

He has put the USA nearly 20 trillion in debt! In my opinion that's not responsible. He has spent money that's not there and America will pay for his reckless borrowing in the future.

Despite an utterly recalcitrant legislature that did every conceivable thing to thwart everything President Obama tried to accomplish, he has consistently proven to be successful at out-witting them. The fact that he was able to get done as much as he was is a testament to his perseverance and tact as a politician and a leader.

My only regret is that he is term limited.

He is probably better than Trump or Clinton and I agree he was hindered by the republican party. He could have got more done though in his first term when democrats had majorities in both houses.
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10/16/2016 12:03:09 PM
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At 10/16/2016 3:59:37 AM, YYW wrote:
Barack Obama's historic presidency is in the twilight of its final year. As it comes to a close, we can say with confidence that he has set a new standard for what being a good president means. Under his watch, our relations with almost all the developed and developing world has never been better. We have made new friendships in countries that were once sworn enemies (e.g. Cuba, Myanmar, etc.), and opened new doors for trade and economic cooperation among old allies (i.e. the Trans Pacific Partnership). Though not everything has been perfect (e.g. Libya) or even ideal (e.g. Iran), and some old enemies continue to poke sticks in our eyes (i.e. Russia), we continue to do everything we can to advance US interests abroad in a way that will serve our goals and ambitions in both the present and future. For this, we thank Barack Obama.

At home, President Obama has ushered in an era of restorative economic growth that has corrected the largess which resulted from imprudent financial deregulation in the 1990s. Crime rates are at historic lows on a national level, and jobs are coming back to the middle class. Kids have a better shot at being able to pay for college than they did before, and their parents are more likely to be able to retire with stable 401(k)s. The stock market has stabilized, even to the point where we can think about stopping QE3. Now, the 40,000,000 people in this country who didn't have access to health insurance under previous administrations can purchase it at reduced rates (though everyone would be much better off if people would just be more responsible and maintain that coverage). The US Oil industry is booming, and gas has never been cheaper for all Americans in this or the previous decade before 9/11 (when adjusted for inflation).

Despite an utterly recalcitrant legislature that did every conceivable thing to thwart everything President Obama tried to accomplish, he has consistently proven to be successful at out-witting them. The fact that he was able to get done as much as he was is a testament to his perseverance and tact as a politician and a leader.

My only regret is that he is term limited.

Bad economy, terrible middle east relations, more power to the state, government more economically involved, race relations have gone down under Obama

Hes greeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaat
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10/16/2016 12:05:23 PM
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At 10/16/2016 3:59:37 AM, YYW wrote:
Barack Obama's historic presidency is in the twilight of its final year. As it comes to a close, we can say with confidence that he has set a new standard for what being a good president means. Under his watch, our relations with almost all the developed and developing world has never been better. We have made new friendships in countries that were once sworn enemies (e.g. Cuba, Myanmar, etc.), and opened new doors for trade and economic cooperation among old allies (i.e. the Trans Pacific Partnership). Though not everything has been perfect (e.g. Libya) or even ideal (e.g. Iran), and some old enemies continue to poke sticks in our eyes (i.e. Russia), we continue to do everything we can to advance US interests abroad in a way that will serve our goals and ambitions in both the present and future. For this, we thank Barack Obama.

At home, President Obama has ushered in an era of restorative economic growth that has corrected the largess which resulted from imprudent financial deregulation in the 1990s. Crime rates are at historic lows on a national level, and jobs are coming back to the middle class. Kids have a better shot at being able to pay for college than they did before, and their parents are more likely to be able to retire with stable 401(k)s. The stock market has stabilized, even to the point where we can think about stopping QE3. Now, the 40,000,000 people in this country who didn't have access to health insurance under previous administrations can purchase it at reduced rates (though everyone would be much better off if people would just be more responsible and maintain that coverage). The US Oil industry is booming, and gas has never been cheaper for all Americans in this or the previous decade before 9/11 (when adjusted for inflation).

Despite an utterly recalcitrant legislature that did every conceivable thing to thwart everything President Obama tried to accomplish, he has consistently proven to be successful at out-witting them. The fact that he was able to get done as much as he was is a testament to his perseverance and tact as a politician and a leader.

My only regret is that he is term limited.

Also what? Fdr being good? He prolonged the depression by 7 years!
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10/16/2016 12:47:12 PM
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At 10/16/2016 3:59:37 AM, YYW wrote:
Barack Obama's historic presidency is in the twilight of its final year. As it comes to a close, we can say with confidence that he has set a new standard for what being a good president means. Under his watch, our relations with almost all the developed and developing world has never been better. We have made new friendships in countries that were once sworn enemies (e.g. Cuba, Myanmar, etc.), and opened new doors for trade and economic cooperation among old allies (i.e. the Trans Pacific Partnership). Though not everything has been perfect (e.g. Libya) or even ideal (e.g. Iran), and some old enemies continue to poke sticks in our eyes (i.e. Russia), we continue to do everything we can to advance US interests abroad in a way that will serve our goals and ambitions in both the present and future. For this, we thank Barack Obama.

At home, President Obama has ushered in an era of restorative economic growth that has corrected the largess which resulted from imprudent financial deregulation in the 1990s. Crime rates are at historic lows on a national level, and jobs are coming back to the middle class. Kids have a better shot at being able to pay for college than they did before, and their parents are more likely to be able to retire with stable 401(k)s. The stock market has stabilized, even to the point where we can think about stopping QE3. Now, the 40,000,000 people in this country who didn't have access to health insurance under previous administrations can purchase it at reduced rates (though everyone would be much better off if people would just be more responsible and maintain that coverage). The US Oil industry is booming, and gas has never been cheaper for all Americans in this or the previous decade before 9/11 (when adjusted for inflation).

Despite an utterly recalcitrant legislature that did every conceivable thing to thwart everything President Obama tried to accomplish, he has consistently proven to be successful at out-witting them. The fact that he was able to get done as much as he was is a testament to his perseverance and tact as a politician and a leader.

My only regret is that he is term limited.

I agree. Barrack Obama has been an exceptional President. Especially considering he inherited the worst recession since the great depression, the failed war in Iraq, and had to battle growing bi-partisanship. When your opponents arguments against you are nonsense; like you are from Kenya, "literally" founded ISIS, and sympathize with terrorists, you must be doing something right.
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10/16/2016 2:16:23 PM
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At 10/16/2016 7:10:57 AM, Lynx_N wrote:
Barack Obama is the best President since FDR

+1

Not really saying much since FDR expanded the crony government more than any other president.
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10/16/2016 2:37:43 PM
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liberal policies tend to have good short term results, but bad long term results. Sometimes it takes 20 years to see the damage, but we know the policies are bad from our understanding of economics and the long term results of other interventionist policies.
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10/16/2016 3:08:07 PM
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At 10/16/2016 2:16:23 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 10/16/2016 7:10:57 AM, Lynx_N wrote:
Barack Obama is the best President since FDR

+1

Not really saying much since FDR expanded the crony government more than any other president.

And then came W.
Bronto?
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10/16/2016 5:46:22 PM
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At 10/16/2016 12:47:12 PM, twocupcakes wrote:
At 10/16/2016 3:59:37 AM, YYW wrote:
Barack Obama's historic presidency is in the twilight of its final year. As it comes to a close, we can say with confidence that he has set a new standard for what being a good president means. Under his watch, our relations with almost all the developed and developing world has never been better. We have made new friendships in countries that were once sworn enemies (e.g. Cuba, Myanmar, etc.), and opened new doors for trade and economic cooperation among old allies (i.e. the Trans Pacific Partnership). Though not everything has been perfect (e.g. Libya) or even ideal (e.g. Iran), and some old enemies continue to poke sticks in our eyes (i.e. Russia), we continue to do everything we can to advance US interests abroad in a way that will serve our goals and ambitions in both the present and future. For this, we thank Barack Obama.

At home, President Obama has ushered in an era of restorative economic growth that has corrected the largess which resulted from imprudent financial deregulation in the 1990s. Crime rates are at historic lows on a national level, and jobs are coming back to the middle class. Kids have a better shot at being able to pay for college than they did before, and their parents are more likely to be able to retire with stable 401(k)s. The stock market has stabilized, even to the point where we can think about stopping QE3. Now, the 40,000,000 people in this country who didn't have access to health insurance under previous administrations can purchase it at reduced rates (though everyone would be much better off if people would just be more responsible and maintain that coverage). The US Oil industry is booming, and gas has never been cheaper for all Americans in this or the previous decade before 9/11 (when adjusted for inflation).

Despite an utterly recalcitrant legislature that did every conceivable thing to thwart everything President Obama tried to accomplish, he has consistently proven to be successful at out-witting them. The fact that he was able to get done as much as he was is a testament to his perseverance and tact as a politician and a leader.

My only regret is that he is term limited.

I agree. Barrack Obama has been an exceptional President. Especially considering he inherited the worst recession since the great depression, the failed war in Iraq, and had to battle growing bi-partisanship. When your opponents arguments against you are nonsense; like you are from Kenya, "literally" founded ISIS, and sympathize with terrorists, you must be doing something right.

More interesting yet is the extent to which those who disagree with him have invented nothing less than an alternate reality, in which crime has soared through the roof (false), gun rights are on the decline (false), murder rates are at historic highs (false), illegals are descending upon the United States for the purpose of taking all of the jobs (false), Obamacare has been a total disaster (false), Obamacare is a socialist conspiracy (laughably false), we are on the brink of world war III (false), Russian relations have been soured because of Obama's mistakes (false), the Middle East is in shambles (false), ISIS is lying in wait to overthrow Christian America (false), the gays are driving the moral degeneration of the society (false), women are totally out of control demanding equal rights (false), social progress is a threat to our stability as a country (false), and the list goes on and on and on.

Like, just reading some of the profoundly stupid stuff that people say... you'd think they looked at the world with distortion goggles...
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10/16/2016 6:12:50 PM
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Obamacare is a socialist plot, besides being immoral to force people to purchase something they don't want. I know for a fact it is cheaper for me to pay that fine every year, and then when a major disaster happens pay for insurance. As soon as everyone else figures it out, all these insurers are going to go bankrupt. Which is the intention. A completely Laisse Faire system would provide better insurance at better prices. If we look at the causes of increasing rates we can track them to market interventionism, so if we took that interventionism away, those price hikes would have never happened.
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10/16/2016 7:03:35 PM
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There have been far better presidents than both FDR and Obama in the last 70-something years. Eisenhower, Nixon, and Reagan being the most obvious.
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10/16/2016 7:23:40 PM
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At 10/16/2016 12:47:12 PM, twocupcakes wrote:
At 10/16/2016 3:59:37 AM, YYW wrote:
Barack Obama's historic presidency is in the twilight of its final year. As it comes to a close, we can say with confidence that he has set a new standard for what being a good president means. Under his watch, our relations with almost all the developed and developing world has never been better. We have made new friendships in countries that were once sworn enemies (e.g. Cuba, Myanmar, etc.), and opened new doors for trade and economic cooperation among old allies (i.e. the Trans Pacific Partnership). Though not everything has been perfect (e.g. Libya) or even ideal (e.g. Iran), and some old enemies continue to poke sticks in our eyes (i.e. Russia), we continue to do everything we can to advance US interests abroad in a way that will serve our goals and ambitions in both the present and future. For this, we thank Barack Obama.

At home, President Obama has ushered in an era of restorative economic growth that has corrected the largess which resulted from imprudent financial deregulation in the 1990s. Crime rates are at historic lows on a national level, and jobs are coming back to the middle class. Kids have a better shot at being able to pay for college than they did before, and their parents are more likely to be able to retire with stable 401(k)s. The stock market has stabilized, even to the point where we can think about stopping QE3. Now, the 40,000,000 people in this country who didn't have access to health insurance under previous administrations can purchase it at reduced rates (though everyone would be much better off if people would just be more responsible and maintain that coverage). The US Oil industry is booming, and gas has never been cheaper for all Americans in this or the previous decade before 9/11 (when adjusted for inflation).

Despite an utterly recalcitrant legislature that did every conceivable thing to thwart everything President Obama tried to accomplish, he has consistently proven to be successful at out-witting them. The fact that he was able to get done as much as he was is a testament to his perseverance and tact as a politician and a leader.

My only regret is that he is term limited.

I agree. Barrack Obama has been an exceptional President. Especially considering he inherited the worst recession since the great depression

OK, but this also means Obama had nowhere to go but up...and he couldn't do that.

the failed war in Iraq

This is easily debunked by doing even the most basic research on both the Iraq and Afghan wars. During his last two years, commanders and tactics were both swapped out for fresh ones; this led to the surge which completely dismantled leadership, communications, organizational capabilities, areas of retreat and regroup, located and destroyed weapons caches and hiding places, eliminated ability to move weapons and supplies throughout the region, instilled fear in local terrorist sympathizers which led to mass denial of use of remaining weapons hiding locations within villages, solidified productive relationships with villages elders across the lands, and much more. Resistance was decreased by about 90% and completion of military actions was estimated to be around 18 months away, with the necessity of policing forces estimated at a period of an additional 3-5 years which included proper assembly and training of national security forces for Afghanistan and Iraq.

Then came Obama's presidential run in 2007 - 2008 in which he spent ample time and resources circumventing president Bush attempting to strike backroom deals with leadership and liaisons from Iraq and Afghanistan. To leaders from Iraq and Afghanistan, this is seen as form of complete disrespect for chain of command and authority, and showed that Obama would end-around all persons involved to get what he wanted, including the leader of the free world. This concluded with a complete lack of trust in Obama by the leaders of Iraq and Afghanistan which led to the refusal of renegotiating the status of forces agreements. This directly led to the early withdrawal of troops and the subsequent rise and growth of ISIS.

In conclusion...all Obama's fault.

and had to battle growing bi-partisanship.

How many years did Obama have control of both the House and Senate? How many years did he have super majority in both? How many years did simple majority matter and was held by Obama due to the democrats using the "nuclear option"? And in that time...exactly how much did Obama get done?

Stop blaming bi-partisanship.

When your opponents arguments against you are nonsense; like you are from Kenya

Argument initiated by Hillary Clinton in primaries and was not a main point of contention or debate within any debate or race including involving the GOP. Instead, this argument was simply made to be much larger than it actually was by the media and democrats, in order to move attention from Obama's negatives to a non-issue for the nation.

But, I do give credit where credit is due...and democrats are extremely efficient with this method of distraction; especially when backed by the overwhelming super majority of mass-media outlets. This being evident by the fact that you actually just used this as a debate argument about eight years after the subject arose and was ended.

"literally" founded ISIS

No, no, no. A functionally retarded person literally has the ability to understand grammar usages and marketing tactics like the one you are addressing here. Above, I gave a basic overview of how Obama and his actions directly led to the formation and growth of ISIS. Going through that small timeline with less than bare bones details will lose over 50% of readers; mostly due to the 120 character, 8 second world we live in today.

To combat this loss of viewers issue, as well as to conform with the modern 120 character / 8 second society of ours, large chunks of data and information are boiled down to sound bytes and bumper sticker slogans. This tactic is the most successful in use today. The caveat to this however, is the necessity of mass-media outlets to properly disseminate said sound bytes to the public while also slowly feeding the public the correct facts and data which properly define the sound bytes. Unfortunately, this caveat is not successfully navigated when it comes to the GOP, as political leanings and ties have infested everything at this point, down to the press which is arguably the most important foundational block of the U.S.

and sympathize with terrorists, you must be doing something right.

I would refer you to the last item I replied to above.
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10/16/2016 7:40:21 PM
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Obama has been better than average but Eisenhower still holds the "best since FDR" title, imo.
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10/16/2016 7:41:51 PM
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At 10/16/2016 3:59:37 AM, YYW wrote:
Barack Obama's historic presidency is in the twilight of its final year. As it comes to a close, we can say with confidence that he has set a new standard for what being a good president means. Under his watch, our relations with almost all the developed and developing world has never been better. We have made new friendships in countries that were once sworn enemies (e.g. Cuba, Myanmar, etc.), and opened new doors for trade and economic cooperation among old allies (i.e. the Trans Pacific Partnership). Though not everything has been perfect (e.g. Libya) or even ideal (e.g. Iran), and some old enemies continue to poke sticks in our eyes (i.e. Russia), we continue to do everything we can to advance US interests abroad in a way that will serve our goals and ambitions in both the present and future. For this, we thank Barack Obama.

At home, President Obama has ushered in an era of restorative economic growth that has corrected the largess which resulted from imprudent financial deregulation in the 1990s. Crime rates are at historic lows on a national level, and jobs are coming back to the middle class. Kids have a better shot at being able to pay for college than they did before, and their parents are more likely to be able to retire with stable 401(k)s. The stock market has stabilized, even to the point where we can think about stopping QE3. Now, the 40,000,000 people in this country who didn't have access to health insurance under previous administrations can purchase it at reduced rates (though everyone would be much better off if people would just be more responsible and maintain that coverage). The US Oil industry is booming, and gas has never been cheaper for all Americans in this or the previous decade before 9/11 (when adjusted for inflation).

Despite an utterly recalcitrant legislature that did every conceivable thing to thwart everything President Obama tried to accomplish, he has consistently proven to be successful at out-witting them. The fact that he was able to get done as much as he was is a testament to his perseverance and tact as a politician and a leader.

My only regret is that he is term limited.

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10/16/2016 10:35:41 PM
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At 10/16/2016 7:03:35 PM, SeventhProfessor wrote:
There have been far better presidents than both FDR and Obama in the last 70-something years. Eisenhower, Nixon, and Reagan being the most obvious.

I think Nixon and Reagan both compete for the title of "worst president in American history other than Jimmy carter."
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10/16/2016 10:47:51 PM
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At 10/16/2016 3:08:07 PM, Lynx_N wrote:
At 10/16/2016 2:16:23 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 10/16/2016 7:10:57 AM, Lynx_N wrote:
Barack Obama is the best President since FDR

+1

Not really saying much since FDR expanded the crony government more than any other president.

And then came W.

It's really difficult to find the path again once a bad president precedent is sent...
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10/17/2016 12:36:47 AM
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At 10/16/2016 10:47:51 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 10/16/2016 3:08:07 PM, Lynx_N wrote:
At 10/16/2016 2:16:23 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 10/16/2016 7:10:57 AM, Lynx_N wrote:
Barack Obama is the best President since FDR

+1

Not really saying much since FDR expanded the crony government more than any other president.

And then came W.

It's really difficult to find the path again once a bad president precedent is sent...

People blame W for more than he deserves.
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10/17/2016 1:21:21 AM
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At 10/17/2016 12:36:47 AM, YYW wrote:
At 10/16/2016 10:47:51 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 10/16/2016 3:08:07 PM, Lynx_N wrote:
At 10/16/2016 2:16:23 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 10/16/2016 7:10:57 AM, Lynx_N wrote:
Barack Obama is the best President since FDR

+1

Not really saying much since FDR expanded the crony government more than any other president.

And then came W.

It's really difficult to find the path again once a bad president precedent is sent...

People blame W for more than he deserves.

even without the bias, he is terrible.
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10/17/2016 3:55:47 AM
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At 10/16/2016 10:35:41 PM, YYW wrote:
At 10/16/2016 7:03:35 PM, SeventhProfessor wrote:
There have been far better presidents than both FDR and Obama in the last 70-something years. Eisenhower, Nixon, and Reagan being the most obvious.

I think Nixon and Reagan both compete for the title of "worst president in American history other than Jimmy carter."

In modern history maybe, but if you examine all of the US presidents then Andrew Johnson has to be the worst.

People like to sh*t on James Buchanan as a bad president for failing to prevent the Civil War, but the Civil War was going to happen no matter what. Buchanan was just in the wrong place at the wrong time.
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10/17/2016 3:57:12 AM
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At 10/16/2016 7:23:40 PM, MakeSensePeopleDont wrote:

Every time you post, you only reassure people of how utterly retarded and ill-informed of basic facts you are
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10/17/2016 4:18:17 AM
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At 10/17/2016 3:57:12 AM, imabench wrote:
At 10/16/2016 7:23:40 PM, MakeSensePeopleDont wrote:

Every time you post, you only reassure people of how utterly retarded and ill-informed of basic facts you are

As always, an amazing display of your inability to dispute facts followed swiftly by your inability to accept facts that don't agree with your personal desires.

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10/17/2016 4:28:21 AM
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Honestly, I would love a 3rd term Obama over Clinton or Trump any day.
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10/17/2016 4:33:35 AM
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At 10/16/2016 3:59:37 AM, YYW wrote:
and opened new doors for trade and economic cooperation among old allies (i.e. the Trans Pacific Partnership)

I don't like the TPP, but I agree it's good to work in that sort of way - I just wish the deal was explicit in protecting American workers from outsourcing.
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10/17/2016 4:35:05 AM
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At 10/16/2016 10:35:41 PM, YYW wrote:
At 10/16/2016 7:03:35 PM, SeventhProfessor wrote:
There have been far better presidents than both FDR and Obama in the last 70-something years. Eisenhower, Nixon, and Reagan being the most obvious.

I think Nixon and Reagan both compete for the title of "worst president in American history other than Jimmy carter."

I don't know. I'm quite sure Johnson, Buchannon, Harding, and Pierce all fight for that title.
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