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Lookingatissues
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10/20/2016 2:35:12 AM
Posted: 1 month ago
H.L Mencken had some great insights into politicians when he said "....One of their clearest duties is to keep a wary eye on the gentlemen who operate this great nation, and only too often slip into the assumption that they own it....."
The democrat party in Washington has consolidated their control and domination of the media and it has become the voice of the democrat party and the republican politicians in Washington are strangely silent about this arangement apparently agreeable with this arrangement
"The elite politicians tout that their only desire is to be of service to the citizens," perhaps its time for the citizens to realize that the politicians we have now in office have long ago forgot the citizens whom they claim that they represent and another political party would represent them better than the present political arrangement.
Stymie13
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10/20/2016 3:17:47 AM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/20/2016 2:35:12 AM, Lookingatissues wrote:
H.L Mencken had some great insights into politicians when he said "....One of their clearest duties is to keep a wary eye on the gentlemen who operate this great nation, and only too often slip into the assumption that they own it....."
The democrat party in Washington has consolidated their control and domination of the media and it has become the voice of the democrat party and the republican politicians in Washington are strangely silent about this arangement apparently agreeable with this arrangement
"The elite politicians tout that their only desire is to be of service to the citizens," perhaps its time for the citizens to realize that the politicians we have now in office have long ago forgot the citizens whom they claim that they represent and another political party would represent them better than the present political arrangement.

A vocal minority has been saying this for years. Yet the vast majority keeps voting for the big 2.
ColeTrain
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10/20/2016 4:18:01 AM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/20/2016 3:17:47 AM, Stymie13 wrote:
A vocal minority has been saying this for years. Yet the vast majority keeps voting for the big 2.

People have said this election might change things. Thoughts?
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Stymie13
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10/20/2016 4:29:07 AM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/20/2016 4:18:01 AM, ColeTrain wrote:
At 10/20/2016 3:17:47 AM, Stymie13 wrote:
A vocal minority has been saying this for years. Yet the vast majority keeps voting for the big 2.

People have said this election might change things. Thoughts?

Personally, I see more disenfranchised with the 2 candidates/2 party system than anytime in my 43 years. But the money and rules are way to prohibitive for any real change at the Federal Level. Any real change, such as independent, or green, or socialist for that matter, looks like it will emanate at the state legislature level and grow organically.

The only problem is stated have been abdicating their sovereignty for federal dollars for over a hundred years. Therein lies the crux of the matter: will states start telling the Feds to fvck off (marijuana is but one area, sanctuary cities another) and start taking that sovereignty back even under threat of loss of fed dollars.

Right now, I can only hope this is the Christian vs Buddhist parable of the mustard seed (Christian is about planting a tiny seed that grows, while Buddhist is teaching a grieving mother that all people suffer and learning compassion vs self pity).
yelekam
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10/20/2016 6:44:30 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/20/2016 4:18:01 AM, ColeTrain wrote:
At 10/20/2016 3:17:47 AM, Stymie13 wrote:
A vocal minority has been saying this for years. Yet the vast majority keeps voting for the big 2.

People have said this election might change things. Thoughts?

It might. A big consideration will be how much of the displeased population will move over to join third parties in the long term. Also, in order to change the current situation, ballot access laws need to be changed. The state legislatures dominated mainly by Democrats and Republicans have tended to make laws were it is difficult for any candidate who is not in those parties to be able to get ballot access. Blocking ballot access cripples the chances of third parties to make strong electoral challenges and build an image of legitimacy.
For instance, in Georgia the ballot access laws are so restrictive that 79% of their 2016 legislative races only have one candidate on the ballot. Effectively giving most of the state's population no choice in who makes the state's laws.
ColeTrain
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10/21/2016 1:59:18 AM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/20/2016 4:29:07 AM, Stymie13 wrote:
At 10/20/2016 4:18:01 AM, ColeTrain wrote:
At 10/20/2016 3:17:47 AM, Stymie13 wrote:
A vocal minority has been saying this for years. Yet the vast majority keeps voting for the big 2.

People have said this election might change things. Thoughts?

Personally, I see more disenfranchised with the 2 candidates/2 party system than anytime in my 43 years. But the money and rules are way to prohibitive for any real change at the Federal Level. Any real change, such as independent, or green, or socialist for that matter, looks like it will emanate at the state legislature level and grow organically.

That makes sense. Though, these candidates are definitely the least popular in ages.
"The right to 360 noscope noobs shall not be infringed!!!" -- tajshar2k
"So, to start off, I've never committed suicide." -- Vaarka
"I eat glue." -- brontoraptor
"I mean, at this rate, I'd argue for a ham sandwich presidency." -- ResponsiblyIrresponsible
"Overthrow Assad, heil jihad." -- 16kadams when trolling in hangout
"Hillary Clinton is not my favorite person ... and her campaign is as inspiring as a bowl of cottage cheese." -- YYW
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10/21/2016 7:34:58 AM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/20/2016 4:29:07 AM, Stymie13 wrote:
At 10/20/2016 4:18:01 AM, ColeTrain wrote:
At 10/20/2016 3:17:47 AM, Stymie13 wrote:
A vocal minority has been saying this for years. Yet the vast majority keeps voting for the big 2.

People have said this election might change things. Thoughts?

Personally, I see more disenfranchised with the 2 candidates/2 party system than anytime in my 43 years. But the money and rules are way to prohibitive for any real change at the Federal Level. Any real change, such as independent, or green, or socialist for that matter, looks like it will emanate at the state legislature level and grow organically.

The only problem is stated have been abdicating their sovereignty for federal dollars for over a hundred years. Therein lies the crux of the matter: will states start telling the Feds to fvck off (marijuana is but one area, sanctuary cities another) and start taking that sovereignty back even under threat of loss of fed dollars.

Right now, I can only hope this is the Christian vs Buddhist parable of the mustard seed (Christian is about planting a tiny seed that grows, while Buddhist is teaching a grieving mother that all people suffer and learning compassion vs self pity).

https://ifunny.co...

It's Slytherin vs Voldemort this year. I'm seriously considering voting for a third party candidate, mostly to support a third party, for the first time. They both have some good ideas but Trump's ego blindness/temperament, confirmed molestation and refusal to accept the democratic process take him out of the running for me.

I'm liking Buddhist ideas and practices right now if you know of any good links or books.
Stymie13
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10/21/2016 10:30:37 AM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/21/2016 7:34:58 AM, Dujec wrote:
At 10/20/2016 4:29:07 AM, Stymie13 wrote:
At 10/20/2016 4:18:01 AM, ColeTrain wrote:
At 10/20/2016 3:17:47 AM, Stymie13 wrote:
A vocal minority has been saying this for years. Yet the vast majority keeps voting for the big 2.

People have said this election might change things. Thoughts?

Personally, I see more disenfranchised with the 2 candidates/2 party system than anytime in my 43 years. But the money and rules are way to prohibitive for any real change at the Federal Level. Any real change, such as independent, or green, or socialist for that matter, looks like it will emanate at the state legislature level and grow organically.

The only problem is stated have been abdicating their sovereignty for federal dollars for over a hundred years. Therein lies the crux of the matter: will states start telling the Feds to fvck off (marijuana is but one area, sanctuary cities another) and start taking that sovereignty back even under threat of loss of fed dollars.

Right now, I can only hope this is the Christian vs Buddhist parable of the mustard seed (Christian is about planting a tiny seed that grows, while Buddhist is teaching a grieving mother that all people suffer and learning compassion vs self pity).

https://ifunny.co...

It's Slytherin vs Voldemort this year. I'm seriously considering voting for a third party candidate, mostly to support a third party, for the first time. They both have some good ideas but Trump's ego blindness/temperament, confirmed molestation and refusal to accept the democratic process take him out of the running for me.

I'm liking Buddhist ideas and practices right now if you know of any good links or books.

I'd start with the dhammapada. Personally I'd focus on translations of Gautama's teachings and shy away from a lot of the current stuff. Just my opinion.
Dujec
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10/21/2016 11:21:45 AM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/21/2016 10:30:37 AM, Stymie13 wrote:
At 10/21/2016 7:34:58 AM, Dujec wrote:
At 10/20/2016 4:29:07 AM, Stymie13 wrote:
At 10/20/2016 4:18:01 AM, ColeTrain wrote:
At 10/20/2016 3:17:47 AM, Stymie13 wrote:
A vocal minority has been saying this for years. Yet the vast majority keeps voting for the big 2.

People have said this election might change things. Thoughts?

Personally, I see more disenfranchised with the 2 candidates/2 party system than anytime in my 43 years. But the money and rules are way to prohibitive for any real change at the Federal Level. Any real change, such as independent, or green, or socialist for that matter, looks like it will emanate at the state legislature level and grow organically.

The only problem is stated have been abdicating their sovereignty for federal dollars for over a hundred years. Therein lies the crux of the matter: will states start telling the Feds to fvck off (marijuana is but one area, sanctuary cities another) and start taking that sovereignty back even under threat of loss of fed dollars.

Right now, I can only hope this is the Christian vs Buddhist parable of the mustard seed (Christian is about planting a tiny seed that grows, while Buddhist is teaching a grieving mother that all people suffer and learning compassion vs self pity).

https://ifunny.co...

It's Slytherin vs Voldemort this year. I'm seriously considering voting for a third party candidate, mostly to support a third party, for the first time. They both have some good ideas but Trump's ego blindness/temperament, confirmed molestation and refusal to accept the democratic process take him out of the running for me.

I'm liking Buddhist ideas and practices right now if you know of any good links or books.

I'd start with the dhammapada. Personally I'd focus on translations of Gautama's teachings and shy away from a lot of the current stuff. Just my opinion.

Great, It's only $0.99 on kindle so I'll definitely

Agreed, whenever I hear Deepak Chopra or similar Buddhist(ish) writer I cringe.
Stymie13
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10/21/2016 11:31:26 AM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/21/2016 11:21:45 AM, Dujec wrote:
At 10/21/2016 10:30:37 AM, Stymie13 wrote:
At 10/21/2016 7:34:58 AM, Dujec wrote:
At 10/20/2016 4:29:07 AM, Stymie13 wrote:
At 10/20/2016 4:18:01 AM, ColeTrain wrote:
At 10/20/2016 3:17:47 AM, Stymie13 wrote:
A vocal minority has been saying this for years. Yet the vast majority keeps voting for the big 2.

People have said this election might change things. Thoughts?

Personally, I see more disenfranchised with the 2 candidates/2 party system than anytime in my 43 years. But the money and rules are way to prohibitive for any real change at the Federal Level. Any real change, such as independent, or green, or socialist for that matter, looks like it will emanate at the state legislature level and grow organically.

The only problem is stated have been abdicating their sovereignty for federal dollars for over a hundred years. Therein lies the crux of the matter: will states start telling the Feds to fvck off (marijuana is but one area, sanctuary cities another) and start taking that sovereignty back even under threat of loss of fed dollars.

Right now, I can only hope this is the Christian vs Buddhist parable of the mustard seed (Christian is about planting a tiny seed that grows, while Buddhist is teaching a grieving mother that all people suffer and learning compassion vs self pity).

https://ifunny.co...

It's Slytherin vs Voldemort this year. I'm seriously considering voting for a third party candidate, mostly to support a third party, for the first time. They both have some good ideas but Trump's ego blindness/temperament, confirmed molestation and refusal to accept the democratic process take him out of the running for me.

I'm liking Buddhist ideas and practices right now if you know of any good links or books.

I'd start with the dhammapada. Personally I'd focus on translations of Gautama's teachings and shy away from a lot of the current stuff. Just my opinion.

Great, It's only $0.99 on kindle so I'll definitely

Agreed, whenever I hear Deepak Chopra or similar Buddhist(ish) writer I cringe.

Also the sutras... the lotus sutra probably being the most complete.

Me personally I often got bored reading the sutras. Not that siddhartha wasn't brilliant, he was. He was also wording and I don't like teaching by analogy as the primary method. Tell me direct then use an analogy as a support.

I was younger when I studied. Good luck in your journey.

Wisdom can be drawn from many places. If drawn from only one source, it becomes stale and rigid.
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10/21/2016 11:53:18 AM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/21/2016 11:31:26 AM, Stymie13 wrote:
At 10/21/2016 11:21:45 AM, Dujec wrote:
At 10/21/2016 10:30:37 AM, Stymie13 wrote:
At 10/21/2016 7:34:58 AM, Dujec wrote:
At 10/20/2016 4:29:07 AM, Stymie13 wrote:
At 10/20/2016 4:18:01 AM, ColeTrain wrote:
At 10/20/2016 3:17:47 AM, Stymie13 wrote:
A vocal minority has been saying this for years. Yet the vast majority keeps voting for the big 2.

People have said this election might change things. Thoughts?

Personally, I see more disenfranchised with the 2 candidates/2 party system than anytime in my 43 years. But the money and rules are way to prohibitive for any real change at the Federal Level. Any real change, such as independent, or green, or socialist for that matter, looks like it will emanate at the state legislature level and grow organically.

The only problem is stated have been abdicating their sovereignty for federal dollars for over a hundred years. Therein lies the crux of the matter: will states start telling the Feds to fvck off (marijuana is but one area, sanctuary cities another) and start taking that sovereignty back even under threat of loss of fed dollars.

Right now, I can only hope this is the Christian vs Buddhist parable of the mustard seed (Christian is about planting a tiny seed that grows, while Buddhist is teaching a grieving mother that all people suffer and learning compassion vs self pity).

https://ifunny.co...

It's Slytherin vs Voldemort this year. I'm seriously considering voting for a third party candidate, mostly to support a third party, for the first time. They both have some good ideas but Trump's ego blindness/temperament, confirmed molestation and refusal to accept the democratic process take him out of the running for me.

I'm liking Buddhist ideas and practices right now if you know of any good links or books.

I'd start with the dhammapada. Personally I'd focus on translations of Gautama's teachings and shy away from a lot of the current stuff. Just my opinion.

Great, It's only $0.99 on kindle so I'll definitely

Agreed, whenever I hear Deepak Chopra or similar Buddhist(ish) writer I cringe.

Also the sutras... the lotus sutra probably being the most complete.

Me personally I often got bored reading the sutras. Not that siddhartha wasn't brilliant, he was. He was also wording and I don't like teaching by analogy as the primary method. Tell me direct then use an analogy as a support.

I was younger when I studied. Good luck in your journey.

Wisdom can be drawn from many places. If drawn from only one source, it becomes stale and rigid.

Great, I'd prefer a direct explanation up front as well since it's less likely to be misinterpreted but it does leave the explanation open for interpretation to spark your own similar ideas even if they are not exactly how the author sees them.

I get ocd about various topics but usually only until I feel I understand the core ideas/evidence. As a former fundie, using the bible as a filter for all other sources, l try to remind myself that there are likely better/upgraded ideas for virtually everything I believe.
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10/21/2016 12:01:04 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/21/2016 11:53:18 AM, Dujec wrote:
At 10/21/2016 11:31:26 AM, Stymie13 wrote:
At 10/21/2016 11:21:45 AM, Dujec wrote:
At 10/21/2016 10:30:37 AM, Stymie13 wrote:
At 10/21/2016 7:34:58 AM, Dujec wrote:
At 10/20/2016 4:29:07 AM, Stymie13 wrote:
At 10/20/2016 4:18:01 AM, ColeTrain wrote:
At 10/20/2016 3:17:47 AM, Stymie13 wrote:
A vocal minority has been saying this for years. Yet the vast majority keeps voting for the big 2.

People have said this election might change things. Thoughts?

Personally, I see more disenfranchised with the 2 candidates/2 party system than anytime in my 43 years. But the money and rules are way to prohibitive for any real change at the Federal Level. Any real change, such as independent, or green, or socialist for that matter, looks like it will emanate at the state legislature level and grow organically.

The only problem is stated have been abdicating their sovereignty for federal dollars for over a hundred years. Therein lies the crux of the matter: will states start telling the Feds to fvck off (marijuana is but one area, sanctuary cities another) and start taking that sovereignty back even under threat of loss of fed dollars.

Right now, I can only hope this is the Christian vs Buddhist parable of the mustard seed (Christian is about planting a tiny seed that grows, while Buddhist is teaching a grieving mother that all people suffer and learning compassion vs self pity).

https://ifunny.co...

It's Slytherin vs Voldemort this year. I'm seriously considering voting for a third party candidate, mostly to support a third party, for the first time. They both have some good ideas but Trump's ego blindness/temperament, confirmed molestation and refusal to accept the democratic process take him out of the running for me.

I'm liking Buddhist ideas and practices right now if you know of any good links or books.

I'd start with the dhammapada. Personally I'd focus on translations of Gautama's teachings and shy away from a lot of the current stuff. Just my opinion.

Great, It's only $0.99 on kindle so I'll definitely

Agreed, whenever I hear Deepak Chopra or similar Buddhist(ish) writer I cringe.

Also the sutras... the lotus sutra probably being the most complete.

Me personally I often got bored reading the sutras. Not that siddhartha wasn't brilliant, he was. He was also wording and I don't like teaching by analogy as the primary method. Tell me direct then use an analogy as a support.

I was younger when I studied. Good luck in your journey.

Wisdom can be drawn from many places. If drawn from only one source, it becomes stale and rigid.

Great, I'd prefer a direct explanation up front as well since it's less likely to be misinterpreted but it does leave the explanation open for interpretation to spark your own similar ideas even if they are not exactly how the author sees them.

I get ocd about various topics but usually only until I feel I understand the core ideas/evidence. As a former fundie, using the bible as a filter for all other sources, l try to remind myself that there are likely better/upgraded ideas for virtually everything I believe.

Your journey may ultimately bring you full circle. What you have been taught may not be wrong but may have been taught in a limited way. Study, question, and incorporate how it fits for you.

As we say in a certain organization: take what works and ignore the rest.