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Stymie13
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10/20/2016 2:13:19 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
The 'right' is down. There is no doubt about that even with control of congress. There is no coherent message from the party that speaks for them, Republicans, and their candidate his pushed many of his allies away.

This has happened before and will again. Clinton had a sympathetic congress but he pushed his advantage. In comes the contract of America and he is forced to compromise on dam near everything which people roundly look back fondly on the growth in the 90s (was it him, was it congress...who cares, it's the past).

Bush did the same thing... sympathetic congress till he pushed too far, resulting in the Pelosi-Reid dominated congress till 2012.

Obama pushed his too far and out goes pelvis-reid in comes boehner-McConnell.

Will the republicans lose control of congress? Those up for election sure our distancing themselves from Trump. So if not this election, a good probability in the mid-terms. That is unless Hillary is so despised (not out of the realm, she has tepid, mostly anti-trump support now) that people stick with Republicans.

Yes elections have consequences. Yes it is human nature to gloat. And yes it is human and political nature to overplay ones hand.

The right is down just as the left was in 2004. Political fortunes change fast however.
U.n
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10/20/2016 5:13:54 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/20/2016 2:13:19 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
The 'right' is down. There is no doubt about that even with control of congress. There is no coherent message from the party that speaks for them, Republicans, and their candidate his pushed many of his allies away.

This has happened before and will again. Clinton had a sympathetic congress but he pushed his advantage. In comes the contract of America and he is forced to compromise on dam near everything which people roundly look back fondly on the growth in the 90s (was it him, was it congress...who cares, it's the past).

Bush did the same thing... sympathetic congress till he pushed too far, resulting in the Pelosi-Reid dominated congress till 2012.

Obama pushed his too far and out goes pelvis-reid in comes boehner-McConnell.

Will the republicans lose control of congress? Those up for election sure our distancing themselves from Trump. So if not this election, a good probability in the mid-terms. That is unless Hillary is so despised (not out of the realm, she has tepid, mostly anti-trump support now) that people stick with Republicans.

Yes elections have consequences. Yes it is human nature to gloat. And yes it is human and political nature to overplay ones hand.

The right is down just as the left was in 2004. Political fortunes change fast however.

If your definition of the right being down is a lack of coherent message then the Republicans have been down for most of the last decade.

From the Tea Party movement to this election, there has been way too much in-party fighting.

The Republicans are no stronger, arguably weaker, than they were back in 2012. But the difference now is the Democrats have significantly weakened in cohesion as well. And they have Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders to thank for that.
Stymie13
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10/20/2016 5:18:04 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/20/2016 5:13:54 PM, U.n wrote:
At 10/20/2016 2:13:19 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
The 'right' is down. There is no doubt about that even with control of congress. There is no coherent message from the party that speaks for them, Republicans, and their candidate his pushed many of his allies away.

This has happened before and will again. Clinton had a sympathetic congress but he pushed his advantage. In comes the contract of America and he is forced to compromise on dam near everything which people roundly look back fondly on the growth in the 90s (was it him, was it congress...who cares, it's the past).

Bush did the same thing... sympathetic congress till he pushed too far, resulting in the Pelosi-Reid dominated congress till 2012.

Obama pushed his too far and out goes pelvis-reid in comes boehner-McConnell.

Will the republicans lose control of congress? Those up for election sure our distancing themselves from Trump. So if not this election, a good probability in the mid-terms. That is unless Hillary is so despised (not out of the realm, she has tepid, mostly anti-trump support now) that people stick with Republicans.

Yes elections have consequences. Yes it is human nature to gloat. And yes it is human and political nature to overplay ones hand.

The right is down just as the left was in 2004. Political fortunes change fast however.

If your definition of the right being down is a lack of coherent message then the Republicans have been down for most of the last decade.

From the Tea Party movement to this election, there has been way too much in-party fighting.

The Republicans are no stronger, arguably weaker, than they were back in 2012. But the difference now is the Democrats have significantly weakened in cohesion as well. And they have Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders to thank for that.

My ideal is both parties completely fracture right before our eyes.

By right I mean the commonly used identities and definitions. I myself am contrarian so I'm kind of out there. I don't back or identify with either.