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Mikal
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10/25/2016 4:37:44 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
Any more than other lives.

I'm anti-Racism to the highest possible degree but BLM has to concede to some objective facts.

(1) Black Crime vs (Insert Race) Crime is almost 2 to 3 times higher than any race you can bring up on a Per Capita Level.

You can attribute this to oppression, response to violence, education, location, etc. Regardless of what you attribute this to, Black on Black and Black Crime, in general, is objectively higher by a huge margin compared than any other race.

" MURDER
White:4,382 = 1.77 per 100k.
Black:4,498 = 11.83 per 100k.
Blacks commit murder at a rate 6.68 times that of Whites.

RAPE
White:10,990 = 4.45 per 100k.
Black:5,428 = 1,428 per 100k.
Blacks commit rape at a rate 3.21 times that of Whites.

ROBBERY
White:41,962 = 17 per 100k.
Black:56,948 = 150 per 100k.
Blacks commit robbery at a rate 9 times that of Whites.

AGG. ASSUALT
White:208,081 = 84 per 100k.
Black:112,325 = 295 per 100k.
Blacks commit agg. assualt at a rate 3.5 times that of Whites.

BURGLARY
White:157,252 = 64 per 100k.
Black:73,960 = 195 per 100k.
Blacks commit burglary at a rate 3 times that of Whites.

LARCENY-THEFT
White:663,360 = 269 per 100k.
Black:286,844 = 755 per 100k.
Blacks commit larceny at a rate 2.8 times that of Whites.

MOTOR VEHICLE THEFT
White:44,674 =18 per 100k.
Black:28,510 = 75 per 100k.
Blacks commit motor vehicle theft at a rate 4 times that of Whites.

OVERALL VIOLENT CRIME
White:265,754 = 107 per 100k.
Black:179,636 =473 per 100k.
OVERALL BLACKS COMMIT CRIMES AT A RATE 4.4(440%) TIMES THAT OF WHITES."

(2) At its core, the BLM message is entirely right, but the direction of the movement and the leadership are horrendous

By not condemning the response to some of its supporters, it's actively engaging in bolstering the negative and violent responses that we see today. Are cops always right? Obviously no they are not, but by actively engaging in and not working in peaceful ways to fix the training and mindset of officers who shoot before they think, it encourages violence in response to an already negative attribute.

BLM leadership needs to condemn the out of hand protests, and violence in response to some of the recent shootings.

(3) Black people are a part of the problem as well


The response to black crime and Racism is a part of the problem and the most significant part of the problem, but as mentioned in (2), the response to the initial response is also a part of the problem. When you respond to primordial racism which has led to oppression with violence it reinforces a false stereotype which leads to mor racism and oppression. Be the change you want to see.
TBR
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10/25/2016 4:55:08 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/25/2016 4:37:44 PM, Mikal wrote:
Any more than other lives.

I'm anti-Racism to the highest possible degree but BLM has to concede to some objective facts.

(1) Black Crime vs (Insert Race) Crime is almost 2 to 3 times higher than any race you can bring up on a Per Capita Level.

You can attribute this to oppression, response to violence, education, location, etc. Regardless of what you attribute this to, Black on Black and Black Crime, in general, is objectively higher by a huge margin compared than any other race.

" MURDER
White:4,382 = 1.77 per 100k.
Black:4,498 = 11.83 per 100k.
Blacks commit murder at a rate 6.68 times that of Whites.

RAPE
White:10,990 = 4.45 per 100k.
Black:5,428 = 1,428 per 100k.
Blacks commit rape at a rate 3.21 times that of Whites.

ROBBERY
White:41,962 = 17 per 100k.
Black:56,948 = 150 per 100k.
Blacks commit robbery at a rate 9 times that of Whites.

AGG. ASSUALT
White:208,081 = 84 per 100k.
Black:112,325 = 295 per 100k.
Blacks commit agg. assualt at a rate 3.5 times that of Whites.

BURGLARY
White:157,252 = 64 per 100k.
Black:73,960 = 195 per 100k.
Blacks commit burglary at a rate 3 times that of Whites.

LARCENY-THEFT
White:663,360 = 269 per 100k.
Black:286,844 = 755 per 100k.
Blacks commit larceny at a rate 2.8 times that of Whites.

MOTOR VEHICLE THEFT
White:44,674 =18 per 100k.
Black:28,510 = 75 per 100k.
Blacks commit motor vehicle theft at a rate 4 times that of Whites.

OVERALL VIOLENT CRIME
White:265,754 = 107 per 100k.
Black:179,636 =473 per 100k.
OVERALL BLACKS COMMIT CRIMES AT A RATE 4.4(440%) TIMES THAT OF WHITES."

(2) At its core, the BLM message is entirely right, but the direction of the movement and the leadership are horrendous

By not condemning the response to some of its supporters, it's actively engaging in bolstering the negative and violent responses that we see today. Are cops always right? Obviously no they are not, but by actively engaging in and not working in peaceful ways to fix the training and mindset of officers who shoot before they think, it encourages violence in response to an already negative attribute.

BLM leadership needs to condemn the out of hand protests, and violence in response to some of the recent shootings.

(3) Black people are a part of the problem as well


The response to black crime and Racism is a part of the problem and the most significant part of the problem, but as mentioned in (2), the response to the initial response is also a part of the problem. When you respond to primordial racism which has led to oppression with violence it reinforces a false stereotype which leads to mor racism and oppression. Be the change you want to see.

The problem I see with this is, you are juxtaposing criminal activity with the actions of the police. If there are disproportionate crime stats within the black community, that still does not excuse the police response, or their disproportionate deaths by police.
MakeSensePeopleDont
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10/25/2016 5:00:17 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/25/2016 4:55:08 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/25/2016 4:37:44 PM, Mikal wrote:
Any more than other lives.

I'm anti-Racism to the highest possible degree but BLM has to concede to some objective facts.

(1) Black Crime vs (Insert Race) Crime is almost 2 to 3 times higher than any race you can bring up on a Per Capita Level.

You can attribute this to oppression, response to violence, education, location, etc. Regardless of what you attribute this to, Black on Black and Black Crime, in general, is objectively higher by a huge margin compared than any other race.

" MURDER
White:4,382 = 1.77 per 100k.
Black:4,498 = 11.83 per 100k.
Blacks commit murder at a rate 6.68 times that of Whites.

RAPE
White:10,990 = 4.45 per 100k.
Black:5,428 = 1,428 per 100k.
Blacks commit rape at a rate 3.21 times that of Whites.

ROBBERY
White:41,962 = 17 per 100k.
Black:56,948 = 150 per 100k.
Blacks commit robbery at a rate 9 times that of Whites.

AGG. ASSUALT
White:208,081 = 84 per 100k.
Black:112,325 = 295 per 100k.
Blacks commit agg. assualt at a rate 3.5 times that of Whites.

BURGLARY
White:157,252 = 64 per 100k.
Black:73,960 = 195 per 100k.
Blacks commit burglary at a rate 3 times that of Whites.

LARCENY-THEFT
White:663,360 = 269 per 100k.
Black:286,844 = 755 per 100k.
Blacks commit larceny at a rate 2.8 times that of Whites.

MOTOR VEHICLE THEFT
White:44,674 =18 per 100k.
Black:28,510 = 75 per 100k.
Blacks commit motor vehicle theft at a rate 4 times that of Whites.

OVERALL VIOLENT CRIME
White:265,754 = 107 per 100k.
Black:179,636 =473 per 100k.
OVERALL BLACKS COMMIT CRIMES AT A RATE 4.4(440%) TIMES THAT OF WHITES."

(2) At its core, the BLM message is entirely right, but the direction of the movement and the leadership are horrendous

By not condemning the response to some of its supporters, it's actively engaging in bolstering the negative and violent responses that we see today. Are cops always right? Obviously no they are not, but by actively engaging in and not working in peaceful ways to fix the training and mindset of officers who shoot before they think, it encourages violence in response to an already negative attribute.

BLM leadership needs to condemn the out of hand protests, and violence in response to some of the recent shootings.

(3) Black people are a part of the problem as well


The response to black crime and Racism is a part of the problem and the most significant part of the problem, but as mentioned in (2), the response to the initial response is also a part of the problem. When you respond to primordial racism which has led to oppression with violence it reinforces a false stereotype which leads to mor racism and oppression. Be the change you want to see.

The problem I see with this is, you are juxtaposing criminal activity with the actions of the police. If there are disproportionate crime stats within the black community, that still does not excuse the police response, or their disproportionate deaths by police.

More interactions with police = more chance for bad to happen.

Increased resistance toward authority figures = increased response from authority figures.
TBR
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10/25/2016 5:04:37 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/25/2016 5:00:17 PM, MakeSensePeopleDont wrote:
At 10/25/2016 4:55:08 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/25/2016 4:37:44 PM, Mikal wrote:
Any more than other lives.

I'm anti-Racism to the highest possible degree but BLM has to concede to some objective facts.

(1) Black Crime vs (Insert Race) Crime is almost 2 to 3 times higher than any race you can bring up on a Per Capita Level.

You can attribute this to oppression, response to violence, education, location, etc. Regardless of what you attribute this to, Black on Black and Black Crime, in general, is objectively higher by a huge margin compared than any other race.

" MURDER
White:4,382 = 1.77 per 100k.
Black:4,498 = 11.83 per 100k.
Blacks commit murder at a rate 6.68 times that of Whites.

RAPE
White:10,990 = 4.45 per 100k.
Black:5,428 = 1,428 per 100k.
Blacks commit rape at a rate 3.21 times that of Whites.

ROBBERY
White:41,962 = 17 per 100k.
Black:56,948 = 150 per 100k.
Blacks commit robbery at a rate 9 times that of Whites.

AGG. ASSUALT
White:208,081 = 84 per 100k.
Black:112,325 = 295 per 100k.
Blacks commit agg. assualt at a rate 3.5 times that of Whites.

BURGLARY
White:157,252 = 64 per 100k.
Black:73,960 = 195 per 100k.
Blacks commit burglary at a rate 3 times that of Whites.

LARCENY-THEFT
White:663,360 = 269 per 100k.
Black:286,844 = 755 per 100k.
Blacks commit larceny at a rate 2.8 times that of Whites.

MOTOR VEHICLE THEFT
White:44,674 =18 per 100k.
Black:28,510 = 75 per 100k.
Blacks commit motor vehicle theft at a rate 4 times that of Whites.

OVERALL VIOLENT CRIME
White:265,754 = 107 per 100k.
Black:179,636 =473 per 100k.
OVERALL BLACKS COMMIT CRIMES AT A RATE 4.4(440%) TIMES THAT OF WHITES."

(2) At its core, the BLM message is entirely right, but the direction of the movement and the leadership are horrendous

By not condemning the response to some of its supporters, it's actively engaging in bolstering the negative and violent responses that we see today. Are cops always right? Obviously no they are not, but by actively engaging in and not working in peaceful ways to fix the training and mindset of officers who shoot before they think, it encourages violence in response to an already negative attribute.

BLM leadership needs to condemn the out of hand protests, and violence in response to some of the recent shootings.

(3) Black people are a part of the problem as well


The response to black crime and Racism is a part of the problem and the most significant part of the problem, but as mentioned in (2), the response to the initial response is also a part of the problem. When you respond to primordial racism which has led to oppression with violence it reinforces a false stereotype which leads to mor racism and oppression. Be the change you want to see.

The problem I see with this is, you are juxtaposing criminal activity with the actions of the police. If there are disproportionate crime stats within the black community, that still does not excuse the police response, or their disproportionate deaths by police.

More interactions with police = more chance for bad to happen.

Increased resistance toward authority figures = increased response from authority figures.

More interactions, but for what?

Let me put it another way, one that has been forwarded many times, and seems ignored. If I had stolen cigarettes when I was 22 and a college student. Drunk, belligerent, running away, generally being an as$$hole, I would not be shot. It is really that simple. I would not have been.

My cousin and his frat brothers stole, drove around, and eventually sank a cab in the lake while at UW Madison. So... Drunk driving? Grand theft? Destruction of property? What do you think happened? She sure didn't get shot. As a matter of fact, not one night in jail.
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10/25/2016 5:10:25 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/25/2016 5:04:37 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/25/2016 5:00:17 PM, MakeSensePeopleDont wrote:
At 10/25/2016 4:55:08 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/25/2016 4:37:44 PM, Mikal wrote:
Any more than other lives.

I'm anti-Racism to the highest possible degree but BLM has to concede to some objective facts.

(1) Black Crime vs (Insert Race) Crime is almost 2 to 3 times higher than any race you can bring up on a Per Capita Level.

You can attribute this to oppression, response to violence, education, location, etc. Regardless of what you attribute this to, Black on Black and Black Crime, in general, is objectively higher by a huge margin compared than any other race.

" MURDER
White:4,382 = 1.77 per 100k.
Black:4,498 = 11.83 per 100k.
Blacks commit murder at a rate 6.68 times that of Whites.

RAPE
White:10,990 = 4.45 per 100k.
Black:5,428 = 1,428 per 100k.
Blacks commit rape at a rate 3.21 times that of Whites.

ROBBERY
White:41,962 = 17 per 100k.
Black:56,948 = 150 per 100k.
Blacks commit robbery at a rate 9 times that of Whites.

AGG. ASSUALT
White:208,081 = 84 per 100k.
Black:112,325 = 295 per 100k.
Blacks commit agg. assualt at a rate 3.5 times that of Whites.

BURGLARY
White:157,252 = 64 per 100k.
Black:73,960 = 195 per 100k.
Blacks commit burglary at a rate 3 times that of Whites.

LARCENY-THEFT
White:663,360 = 269 per 100k.
Black:286,844 = 755 per 100k.
Blacks commit larceny at a rate 2.8 times that of Whites.

MOTOR VEHICLE THEFT
White:44,674 =18 per 100k.
Black:28,510 = 75 per 100k.
Blacks commit motor vehicle theft at a rate 4 times that of Whites.

OVERALL VIOLENT CRIME
White:265,754 = 107 per 100k.
Black:179,636 =473 per 100k.
OVERALL BLACKS COMMIT CRIMES AT A RATE 4.4(440%) TIMES THAT OF WHITES."

(2) At its core, the BLM message is entirely right, but the direction of the movement and the leadership are horrendous

By not condemning the response to some of its supporters, it's actively engaging in bolstering the negative and violent responses that we see today. Are cops always right? Obviously no they are not, but by actively engaging in and not working in peaceful ways to fix the training and mindset of officers who shoot before they think, it encourages violence in response to an already negative attribute.

BLM leadership needs to condemn the out of hand protests, and violence in response to some of the recent shootings.

(3) Black people are a part of the problem as well


The response to black crime and Racism is a part of the problem and the most significant part of the problem, but as mentioned in (2), the response to the initial response is also a part of the problem. When you respond to primordial racism which has led to oppression with violence it reinforces a false stereotype which leads to mor racism and oppression. Be the change you want to see.

The problem I see with this is, you are juxtaposing criminal activity with the actions of the police. If there are disproportionate crime stats within the black community, that still does not excuse the police response, or their disproportionate deaths by police.

More interactions with police = more chance for bad to happen.

Increased resistance toward authority figures = increased response from authority figures.

More interactions, but for what?

Let me put it another way, one that has been forwarded many times, and seems ignored. If I had stolen cigarettes when I was 22 and a college student. Drunk, belligerent, running away, generally being an as$$hole, I would not be shot. It is really that simple. I would not have been.

My cousin and his frat brothers stole, drove around, and eventually sank a cab in the lake while at UW Madison. So... Drunk driving? Grand theft? Destruction of property? What do you think happened? She sure didn't get shot. As a matter of fact, not one night in jail.

Did either case involve aggressive resistance of arrest or actions which could have seemed dangerous or life threatening to any officers?

If not, then this is a non-sequitur.
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10/25/2016 5:21:59 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/25/2016 5:10:25 PM, MakeSensePeopleDont wrote:
At 10/25/2016 5:04:37 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/25/2016 5:00:17 PM, MakeSensePeopleDont wrote:
At 10/25/2016 4:55:08 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/25/2016 4:37:44 PM, Mikal wrote:
Any more than other lives.

I'm anti-Racism to the highest possible degree but BLM has to concede to some objective facts.

(1) Black Crime vs (Insert Race) Crime is almost 2 to 3 times higher than any race you can bring up on a Per Capita Level.

You can attribute this to oppression, response to violence, education, location, etc. Regardless of what you attribute this to, Black on Black and Black Crime, in general, is objectively higher by a huge margin compared than any other race.

" MURDER
White:4,382 = 1.77 per 100k.
Black:4,498 = 11.83 per 100k.
Blacks commit murder at a rate 6.68 times that of Whites.

RAPE
White:10,990 = 4.45 per 100k.
Black:5,428 = 1,428 per 100k.
Blacks commit rape at a rate 3.21 times that of Whites.

ROBBERY
White:41,962 = 17 per 100k.
Black:56,948 = 150 per 100k.
Blacks commit robbery at a rate 9 times that of Whites.

AGG. ASSUALT
White:208,081 = 84 per 100k.
Black:112,325 = 295 per 100k.
Blacks commit agg. assualt at a rate 3.5 times that of Whites.

BURGLARY
White:157,252 = 64 per 100k.
Black:73,960 = 195 per 100k.
Blacks commit burglary at a rate 3 times that of Whites.

LARCENY-THEFT
White:663,360 = 269 per 100k.
Black:286,844 = 755 per 100k.
Blacks commit larceny at a rate 2.8 times that of Whites.

MOTOR VEHICLE THEFT
White:44,674 =18 per 100k.
Black:28,510 = 75 per 100k.
Blacks commit motor vehicle theft at a rate 4 times that of Whites.

OVERALL VIOLENT CRIME
White:265,754 = 107 per 100k.
Black:179,636 =473 per 100k.
OVERALL BLACKS COMMIT CRIMES AT A RATE 4.4(440%) TIMES THAT OF WHITES."

(2) At its core, the BLM message is entirely right, but the direction of the movement and the leadership are horrendous

By not condemning the response to some of its supporters, it's actively engaging in bolstering the negative and violent responses that we see today. Are cops always right? Obviously no they are not, but by actively engaging in and not working in peaceful ways to fix the training and mindset of officers who shoot before they think, it encourages violence in response to an already negative attribute.

BLM leadership needs to condemn the out of hand protests, and violence in response to some of the recent shootings.

(3) Black people are a part of the problem as well


The response to black crime and Racism is a part of the problem and the most significant part of the problem, but as mentioned in (2), the response to the initial response is also a part of the problem. When you respond to primordial racism which has led to oppression with violence it reinforces a false stereotype which leads to mor racism and oppression. Be the change you want to see.

The problem I see with this is, you are juxtaposing criminal activity with the actions of the police. If there are disproportionate crime stats within the black community, that still does not excuse the police response, or their disproportionate deaths by police.

More interactions with police = more chance for bad to happen.

Increased resistance toward authority figures = increased response from authority figures.

More interactions, but for what?

Let me put it another way, one that has been forwarded many times, and seems ignored. If I had stolen cigarettes when I was 22 and a college student. Drunk, belligerent, running away, generally being an as$$hole, I would not be shot. It is really that simple. I would not have been.

My cousin and his frat brothers stole, drove around, and eventually sank a cab in the lake while at UW Madison. So... Drunk driving? Grand theft? Destruction of property? What do you think happened? She sure didn't get shot. As a matter of fact, not one night in jail.

Did either case involve aggressive resistance of arrest or actions which could have seemed dangerous or life threatening to any officers?

If not, then this is a non-sequitur.

Well, that is what they are saying. Even when there is no real resistance the chance of death is greater. I agree. Further, there is a lot less for me as a white guy to fear in the first place, so.... Point is, the name may not work well for you, but I sure can understand why they choose it, and I have no issue with it.
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10/25/2016 5:35:29 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/25/2016 5:10:25 PM, MakeSensePeopleDont wrote:
At 10/25/2016 5:04:37 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/25/2016 5:00:17 PM, MakeSensePeopleDont wrote:
At 10/25/2016 4:55:08 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/25/2016 4:37:44 PM, Mikal wrote:
Any more than other lives.

I'm anti-Racism to the highest possible degree but BLM has to concede to some objective facts.

(1) Black Crime vs (Insert Race) Crime is almost 2 to 3 times higher than any race you can bring up on a Per Capita Level.

You can attribute this to oppression, response to violence, education, location, etc. Regardless of what you attribute this to, Black on Black and Black Crime, in general, is objectively higher by a huge margin compared than any other race.

" MURDER
White:4,382 = 1.77 per 100k.
Black:4,498 = 11.83 per 100k.
Blacks commit murder at a rate 6.68 times that of Whites.

RAPE
White:10,990 = 4.45 per 100k.
Black:5,428 = 1,428 per 100k.
Blacks commit rape at a rate 3.21 times that of Whites.

ROBBERY
White:41,962 = 17 per 100k.
Black:56,948 = 150 per 100k.
Blacks commit robbery at a rate 9 times that of Whites.

AGG. ASSUALT
White:208,081 = 84 per 100k.
Black:112,325 = 295 per 100k.
Blacks commit agg. assualt at a rate 3.5 times that of Whites.

BURGLARY
White:157,252 = 64 per 100k.
Black:73,960 = 195 per 100k.
Blacks commit burglary at a rate 3 times that of Whites.

LARCENY-THEFT
White:663,360 = 269 per 100k.
Black:286,844 = 755 per 100k.
Blacks commit larceny at a rate 2.8 times that of Whites.

MOTOR VEHICLE THEFT
White:44,674 =18 per 100k.
Black:28,510 = 75 per 100k.
Blacks commit motor vehicle theft at a rate 4 times that of Whites.

OVERALL VIOLENT CRIME
White:265,754 = 107 per 100k.
Black:179,636 =473 per 100k.
OVERALL BLACKS COMMIT CRIMES AT A RATE 4.4(440%) TIMES THAT OF WHITES."

(2) At its core, the BLM message is entirely right, but the direction of the movement and the leadership are horrendous

By not condemning the response to some of its supporters, it's actively engaging in bolstering the negative and violent responses that we see today. Are cops always right? Obviously no they are not, but by actively engaging in and not working in peaceful ways to fix the training and mindset of officers who shoot before they think, it encourages violence in response to an already negative attribute.

BLM leadership needs to condemn the out of hand protests, and violence in response to some of the recent shootings.

(3) Black people are a part of the problem as well


The response to black crime and Racism is a part of the problem and the most significant part of the problem, but as mentioned in (2), the response to the initial response is also a part of the problem. When you respond to primordial racism which has led to oppression with violence it reinforces a false stereotype which leads to mor racism and oppression. Be the change you want to see.

The problem I see with this is, you are juxtaposing criminal activity with the actions of the police. If there are disproportionate crime stats within the black community, that still does not excuse the police response, or their disproportionate deaths by police.

More interactions with police = more chance for bad to happen.

Increased resistance toward authority figures = increased response from authority figures.

More interactions, but for what?

Let me put it another way, one that has been forwarded many times, and seems ignored. If I had stolen cigarettes when I was 22 and a college student. Drunk, belligerent, running away, generally being an as$$hole, I would not be shot. It is really that simple. I would not have been.

My cousin and his frat brothers stole, drove around, and eventually sank a cab in the lake while at UW Madison. So... Drunk driving? Grand theft? Destruction of property? What do you think happened? She sure didn't get shot. As a matter of fact, not one night in jail.

Did either case involve aggressive resistance of arrest or actions which could have seemed dangerous or life threatening to any officers?

If not, then this is a non-sequitur.

or did they happen in Chicago? (other high crime area0
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10/25/2016 5:41:22 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/25/2016 5:21:59 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/25/2016 5:10:25 PM, MakeSensePeopleDont wrote:
At 10/25/2016 5:04:37 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/25/2016 5:00:17 PM, MakeSensePeopleDont wrote:
At 10/25/2016 4:55:08 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/25/2016 4:37:44 PM, Mikal wrote:
Any more than other lives.

I'm anti-Racism to the highest possible degree but BLM has to concede to some objective facts.

(1) Black Crime vs (Insert Race) Crime is almost 2 to 3 times higher than any race you can bring up on a Per Capita Level.

You can attribute this to oppression, response to violence, education, location, etc. Regardless of what you attribute this to, Black on Black and Black Crime, in general, is objectively higher by a huge margin compared than any other race.

" MURDER
White:4,382 = 1.77 per 100k.
Black:4,498 = 11.83 per 100k.
Blacks commit murder at a rate 6.68 times that of Whites.

RAPE
White:10,990 = 4.45 per 100k.
Black:5,428 = 1,428 per 100k.
Blacks commit rape at a rate 3.21 times that of Whites.

ROBBERY
White:41,962 = 17 per 100k.
Black:56,948 = 150 per 100k.
Blacks commit robbery at a rate 9 times that of Whites.

AGG. ASSUALT
White:208,081 = 84 per 100k.
Black:112,325 = 295 per 100k.
Blacks commit agg. assualt at a rate 3.5 times that of Whites.

BURGLARY
White:157,252 = 64 per 100k.
Black:73,960 = 195 per 100k.
Blacks commit burglary at a rate 3 times that of Whites.

LARCENY-THEFT
White:663,360 = 269 per 100k.
Black:286,844 = 755 per 100k.
Blacks commit larceny at a rate 2.8 times that of Whites.

MOTOR VEHICLE THEFT
White:44,674 =18 per 100k.
Black:28,510 = 75 per 100k.
Blacks commit motor vehicle theft at a rate 4 times that of Whites.

OVERALL VIOLENT CRIME
White:265,754 = 107 per 100k.
Black:179,636 =473 per 100k.
OVERALL BLACKS COMMIT CRIMES AT A RATE 4.4(440%) TIMES THAT OF WHITES."

(2) At its core, the BLM message is entirely right, but the direction of the movement and the leadership are horrendous

By not condemning the response to some of its supporters, it's actively engaging in bolstering the negative and violent responses that we see today. Are cops always right? Obviously no they are not, but by actively engaging in and not working in peaceful ways to fix the training and mindset of officers who shoot before they think, it encourages violence in response to an already negative attribute.

BLM leadership needs to condemn the out of hand protests, and violence in response to some of the recent shootings.

(3) Black people are a part of the problem as well


The response to black crime and Racism is a part of the problem and the most significant part of the problem, but as mentioned in (2), the response to the initial response is also a part of the problem. When you respond to primordial racism which has led to oppression with violence it reinforces a false stereotype which leads to mor racism and oppression. Be the change you want to see.

The problem I see with this is, you are juxtaposing criminal activity with the actions of the police. If there are disproportionate crime stats within the black community, that still does not excuse the police response, or their disproportionate deaths by police.

More interactions with police = more chance for bad to happen.

Increased resistance toward authority figures = increased response from authority figures.

More interactions, but for what?

Let me put it another way, one that has been forwarded many times, and seems ignored. If I had stolen cigarettes when I was 22 and a college student. Drunk, belligerent, running away, generally being an as$$hole, I would not be shot. It is really that simple. I would not have been.

My cousin and his frat brothers stole, drove around, and eventually sank a cab in the lake while at UW Madison. So... Drunk driving? Grand theft? Destruction of property? What do you think happened? She sure didn't get shot. As a matter of fact, not one night in jail.

Did either case involve aggressive resistance of arrest or actions which could have seemed dangerous or life threatening to any officers?

If not, then this is a non-sequitur.

Well, that is what they are saying. Even when there is no real resistance the chance of death is greater. I agree. Further, there is a lot less for me as a white guy to fear in the first place, so.... Point is, the name may not work well for you, but I sure can understand why they choose it, and I have no issue with it.

In Madison, not Wauwatosa! Lol

What's non-sequitur? We kaintukkans ain't smart nuff for that fancy langage.

But on the frat/cousin thing... that's due to fraternity/egalite/liberte (pardon my no accent agiu).
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10/25/2016 5:41:23 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
this group is all about blame an no personal responsibility, otherwise the culture would try to fixed their seemingly disproportionate problems.

Liar Liar "Greta: He knocked over another ATM. This time at knife point. He needs your legal advice.
Fletcher: [picking up phone and shouting] Stop breaking the law, a$$hole!"

oh the wisdom of the liberal Jim Carey.
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10/25/2016 5:49:12 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/25/2016 5:41:23 PM, kevin24018 wrote:
this group is all about blame an no personal responsibility, otherwise the culture would try to fixed their seemingly disproportionate problems.

Liar Liar "Greta: He knocked over another ATM. This time at knife point. He needs your legal advice.
Fletcher: [picking up phone and shouting] Stop breaking the law, a$$hole!"

oh the wisdom of the liberal Jim Carey.

You know if the me, myself, and Irene Jim Carey was in charge... he did raise 3 black kids fathered by a little person and he is a Rhodey state trooper.
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10/25/2016 5:50:36 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/25/2016 4:37:44 PM, Mikal wrote:
Any more than other lives.

I'm anti-Racism to the highest possible degree but BLM has to concede to some objective facts.

(1) Black Crime vs (Insert Race) Crime is almost 2 to 3 times higher than any race you can bring up on a Per Capita Level.

You can attribute this to oppression, response to violence, education, location, etc. Regardless of what you attribute this to, Black on Black and Black Crime, in general, is objectively higher by a huge margin compared than any other race.

" MURDER
White:4,382 = 1.77 per 100k.
Black:4,498 = 11.83 per 100k.
Blacks commit murder at a rate 6.68 times that of Whites.

RAPE
White:10,990 = 4.45 per 100k.
Black:5,428 = 1,428 per 100k.
Blacks commit rape at a rate 3.21 times that of Whites.

ROBBERY
White:41,962 = 17 per 100k.
Black:56,948 = 150 per 100k.
Blacks commit robbery at a rate 9 times that of Whites.

AGG. ASSUALT
White:208,081 = 84 per 100k.
Black:112,325 = 295 per 100k.
Blacks commit agg. assualt at a rate 3.5 times that of Whites.

BURGLARY
White:157,252 = 64 per 100k.
Black:73,960 = 195 per 100k.
Blacks commit burglary at a rate 3 times that of Whites.

LARCENY-THEFT
White:663,360 = 269 per 100k.
Black:286,844 = 755 per 100k.
Blacks commit larceny at a rate 2.8 times that of Whites.

MOTOR VEHICLE THEFT
White:44,674 =18 per 100k.
Black:28,510 = 75 per 100k.
Blacks commit motor vehicle theft at a rate 4 times that of Whites.

OVERALL VIOLENT CRIME
White:265,754 = 107 per 100k.
Black:179,636 =473 per 100k.
OVERALL BLACKS COMMIT CRIMES AT A RATE 4.4(440%) TIMES THAT OF WHITES."

(2) At its core, the BLM message is entirely right, but the direction of the movement and the leadership are horrendous

By not condemning the response to some of its supporters, it's actively engaging in bolstering the negative and violent responses that we see today. Are cops always right? Obviously no they are not, but by actively engaging in and not working in peaceful ways to fix the training and mindset of officers who shoot before they think, it encourages violence in response to an already negative attribute.

BLM leadership needs to condemn the out of hand protests, and violence in response to some of the recent shootings.

(3) Black people are a part of the problem as well


The response to black crime and Racism is a part of the problem and the most significant part of the problem, but as mentioned in (2), the response to the initial response is also a part of the problem. When you respond to primordial racism which has led to oppression with violence it reinforces a false stereotype which leads to mor racism and oppression. Be the change you want to see.

You need to add the statistics for police shootings as well. Cops aren't going around mowing down blacks.
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10/25/2016 6:00:46 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/25/2016 5:50:36 PM, Robkwoods wrote:
At 10/25/2016 4:37:44 PM, Mikal wrote:
Any more than other lives.

I'm anti-Racism to the highest possible degree but BLM has to concede to some objective facts.

(1) Black Crime vs (Insert Race) Crime is almost 2 to 3 times higher than any race you can bring up on a Per Capita Level.

You can attribute this to oppression, response to violence, education, location, etc. Regardless of what you attribute this to, Black on Black and Black Crime, in general, is objectively higher by a huge margin compared than any other race.

" MURDER
White:4,382 = 1.77 per 100k.
Black:4,498 = 11.83 per 100k.
Blacks commit murder at a rate 6.68 times that of Whites.

RAPE
White:10,990 = 4.45 per 100k.
Black:5,428 = 1,428 per 100k.
Blacks commit rape at a rate 3.21 times that of Whites.

ROBBERY
White:41,962 = 17 per 100k.
Black:56,948 = 150 per 100k.
Blacks commit robbery at a rate 9 times that of Whites.

AGG. ASSUALT
White:208,081 = 84 per 100k.
Black:112,325 = 295 per 100k.
Blacks commit agg. assualt at a rate 3.5 times that of Whites.

BURGLARY
White:157,252 = 64 per 100k.
Black:73,960 = 195 per 100k.
Blacks commit burglary at a rate 3 times that of Whites.

LARCENY-THEFT
White:663,360 = 269 per 100k.
Black:286,844 = 755 per 100k.
Blacks commit larceny at a rate 2.8 times that of Whites.

MOTOR VEHICLE THEFT
White:44,674 =18 per 100k.
Black:28,510 = 75 per 100k.
Blacks commit motor vehicle theft at a rate 4 times that of Whites.

OVERALL VIOLENT CRIME
White:265,754 = 107 per 100k.
Black:179,636 =473 per 100k.
OVERALL BLACKS COMMIT CRIMES AT A RATE 4.4(440%) TIMES THAT OF WHITES."

(2) At its core, the BLM message is entirely right, but the direction of the movement and the leadership are horrendous

By not condemning the response to some of its supporters, it's actively engaging in bolstering the negative and violent responses that we see today. Are cops always right? Obviously no they are not, but by actively engaging in and not working in peaceful ways to fix the training and mindset of officers who shoot before they think, it encourages violence in response to an already negative attribute.

BLM leadership needs to condemn the out of hand protests, and violence in response to some of the recent shootings.

(3) Black people are a part of the problem as well


The response to black crime and Racism is a part of the problem and the most significant part of the problem, but as mentioned in (2), the response to the initial response is also a part of the problem. When you respond to primordial racism which has led to oppression with violence it reinforces a false stereotype which leads to mor racism and oppression. Be the change you want to see.

You need to add the statistics for police shootings as well. Cops aren't going around mowing down blacks.

so if there aren't any police/black shooting will that mean there won't be any riots, I mean protests?
October to Date
Shot & Killed: 48
Shot & Wounded: 269
Total Shot: 317
Total Homicides: 52
http://heyjackass.com...
if their stats are accurate what is really interesting is the high number that are shot in the head which means they were very up close and personal.
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10/25/2016 6:25:56 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/25/2016 6:00:46 PM, kevin24018 wrote:
At 10/25/2016 5:50:36 PM, Robkwoods wrote:
At 10/25/2016 4:37:44 PM, Mikal wrote:
Any more than other lives.

I'm anti-Racism to the highest possible degree but BLM has to concede to some objective facts.

(1) Black Crime vs (Insert Race) Crime is almost 2 to 3 times higher than any race you can bring up on a Per Capita Level.

You can attribute this to oppression, response to violence, education, location, etc. Regardless of what you attribute this to, Black on Black and Black Crime, in general, is objectively higher by a huge margin compared than any other race.

" MURDER
White:4,382 = 1.77 per 100k.
Black:4,498 = 11.83 per 100k.
Blacks commit murder at a rate 6.68 times that of Whites.

RAPE
White:10,990 = 4.45 per 100k.
Black:5,428 = 1,428 per 100k.
Blacks commit rape at a rate 3.21 times that of Whites.

ROBBERY
White:41,962 = 17 per 100k.
Black:56,948 = 150 per 100k.
Blacks commit robbery at a rate 9 times that of Whites.

AGG. ASSUALT
White:208,081 = 84 per 100k.
Black:112,325 = 295 per 100k.
Blacks commit agg. assualt at a rate 3.5 times that of Whites.

BURGLARY
White:157,252 = 64 per 100k.
Black:73,960 = 195 per 100k.
Blacks commit burglary at a rate 3 times that of Whites.

LARCENY-THEFT
White:663,360 = 269 per 100k.
Black:286,844 = 755 per 100k.
Blacks commit larceny at a rate 2.8 times that of Whites.

MOTOR VEHICLE THEFT
White:44,674 =18 per 100k.
Black:28,510 = 75 per 100k.
Blacks commit motor vehicle theft at a rate 4 times that of Whites.

OVERALL VIOLENT CRIME
White:265,754 = 107 per 100k.
Black:179,636 =473 per 100k.
OVERALL BLACKS COMMIT CRIMES AT A RATE 4.4(440%) TIMES THAT OF WHITES."

(2) At its core, the BLM message is entirely right, but the direction of the movement and the leadership are horrendous

By not condemning the response to some of its supporters, it's actively engaging in bolstering the negative and violent responses that we see today. Are cops always right? Obviously no they are not, but by actively engaging in and not working in peaceful ways to fix the training and mindset of officers who shoot before they think, it encourages violence in response to an already negative attribute.

BLM leadership needs to condemn the out of hand protests, and violence in response to some of the recent shootings.

(3) Black people are a part of the problem as well


The response to black crime and Racism is a part of the problem and the most significant part of the problem, but as mentioned in (2), the response to the initial response is also a part of the problem. When you respond to primordial racism which has led to oppression with violence it reinforces a false stereotype which leads to mor racism and oppression. Be the change you want to see.

You need to add the statistics for police shootings as well. Cops aren't going around mowing down blacks.

so if there aren't any police/black shooting will that mean there won't be any riots, I mean protests?
October to Date
Shot & Killed: 48
Shot & Wounded: 269
Total Shot: 317
Total Homicides: 52
http://heyjackass.com...
if their stats are accurate what is really interesting is the high number that are shot in the head which means they were very up close and personal.

Haha, nah they'll find something else to "protest" about. I was looking for the stats where the person shot was unarmed or armed. I can't find it now, it was a very good breakdown.
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10/25/2016 6:28:40 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/25/2016 4:37:44 PM, Mikal wrote:
Any more than other lives.

I'm anti-Racism to the highest possible degree but BLM has to concede to some objective facts.

(1) Black Crime vs (Insert Race) Crime is almost 2 to 3 times higher than any race you can bring up on a Per Capita Level.

You can attribute this to oppression, response to violence, education, location, etc. Regardless of what you attribute this to, Black on Black and Black Crime, in general, is objectively higher by a huge margin compared than any other race.

" MURDER
White:4,382 = 1.77 per 100k.
Black:4,498 = 11.83 per 100k.
Blacks commit murder at a rate 6.68 times that of Whites.

RAPE
White:10,990 = 4.45 per 100k.
Black:5,428 = 1,428 per 100k.
Blacks commit rape at a rate 3.21 times that of Whites.

ROBBERY
White:41,962 = 17 per 100k.
Black:56,948 = 150 per 100k.
Blacks commit robbery at a rate 9 times that of Whites.

AGG. ASSUALT
White:208,081 = 84 per 100k.
Black:112,325 = 295 per 100k.
Blacks commit agg. assualt at a rate 3.5 times that of Whites.

BURGLARY
White:157,252 = 64 per 100k.
Black:73,960 = 195 per 100k.
Blacks commit burglary at a rate 3 times that of Whites.

LARCENY-THEFT
White:663,360 = 269 per 100k.
Black:286,844 = 755 per 100k.
Blacks commit larceny at a rate 2.8 times that of Whites.

MOTOR VEHICLE THEFT
White:44,674 =18 per 100k.
Black:28,510 = 75 per 100k.
Blacks commit motor vehicle theft at a rate 4 times that of Whites.

OVERALL VIOLENT CRIME
White:265,754 = 107 per 100k.
Black:179,636 =473 per 100k.
OVERALL BLACKS COMMIT CRIMES AT A RATE 4.4(440%) TIMES THAT OF WHITES."

Where are these stats from? I ask because I think it would be interesting to find a breakdown that accounted for geographical location. Whites are far more concentrated in the suburbs and rural areas, where as there are almost twice as many blacks, by percentage, in urban areas compared to their populations in those other two regions. Crime is also significantly higher in urban areas by comparison. Essentially, the greater number of whites living in lower-crime areas may be weighing these stats in their favor.

(2) At its core, the BLM message is entirely right, but the direction of the movement and the leadership are horrendous

By not condemning the response to some of its supporters, it's actively engaging in bolstering the negative and violent responses that we see today. Are cops always right? Obviously no they are not, but by actively engaging in and not working in peaceful ways to fix the training and mindset of officers who shoot before they think, it encourages violence in response to an already negative attribute.

BLM leadership needs to condemn the out of hand protests, and violence in response to some of the recent shootings.

(3) Black people are a part of the problem as well


The response to black crime and Racism is a part of the problem and the most significant part of the problem, but as mentioned in (2), the response to the initial response is also a part of the problem. When you respond to primordial racism which has led to oppression with violence it reinforces a false stereotype which leads to mor racism and oppression. Be the change you want to see.
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10/25/2016 6:28:56 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/25/2016 5:41:22 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
At 10/25/2016 5:21:59 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/25/2016 5:10:25 PM, MakeSensePeopleDont wrote:
At 10/25/2016 5:04:37 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/25/2016 5:00:17 PM, MakeSensePeopleDont wrote:
At 10/25/2016 4:55:08 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/25/2016 4:37:44 PM, Mikal wrote:
Any more than other lives.

I'm anti-Racism to the highest possible degree but BLM has to concede to some objective facts.

(1) Black Crime vs (Insert Race) Crime is almost 2 to 3 times higher than any race you can bring up on a Per Capita Level.

You can attribute this to oppression, response to violence, education, location, etc. Regardless of what you attribute this to, Black on Black and Black Crime, in general, is objectively higher by a huge margin compared than any other race.

" MURDER
White:4,382 = 1.77 per 100k.
Black:4,498 = 11.83 per 100k.
Blacks commit murder at a rate 6.68 times that of Whites.

RAPE
White:10,990 = 4.45 per 100k.
Black:5,428 = 1,428 per 100k.
Blacks commit rape at a rate 3.21 times that of Whites.

ROBBERY
White:41,962 = 17 per 100k.
Black:56,948 = 150 per 100k.
Blacks commit robbery at a rate 9 times that of Whites.

AGG. ASSUALT
White:208,081 = 84 per 100k.
Black:112,325 = 295 per 100k.
Blacks commit agg. assualt at a rate 3.5 times that of Whites.

BURGLARY
White:157,252 = 64 per 100k.
Black:73,960 = 195 per 100k.
Blacks commit burglary at a rate 3 times that of Whites.

LARCENY-THEFT
White:663,360 = 269 per 100k.
Black:286,844 = 755 per 100k.
Blacks commit larceny at a rate 2.8 times that of Whites.

MOTOR VEHICLE THEFT
White:44,674 =18 per 100k.
Black:28,510 = 75 per 100k.
Blacks commit motor vehicle theft at a rate 4 times that of Whites.

OVERALL VIOLENT CRIME
White:265,754 = 107 per 100k.
Black:179,636 =473 per 100k.
OVERALL BLACKS COMMIT CRIMES AT A RATE 4.4(440%) TIMES THAT OF WHITES."

(2) At its core, the BLM message is entirely right, but the direction of the movement and the leadership are horrendous

By not condemning the response to some of its supporters, it's actively engaging in bolstering the negative and violent responses that we see today. Are cops always right? Obviously no they are not, but by actively engaging in and not working in peaceful ways to fix the training and mindset of officers who shoot before they think, it encourages violence in response to an already negative attribute.

BLM leadership needs to condemn the out of hand protests, and violence in response to some of the recent shootings.

(3) Black people are a part of the problem as well


The response to black crime and Racism is a part of the problem and the most significant part of the problem, but as mentioned in (2), the response to the initial response is also a part of the problem. When you respond to primordial racism which has led to oppression with violence it reinforces a false stereotype which leads to mor racism and oppression. Be the change you want to see.

The problem I see with this is, you are juxtaposing criminal activity with the actions of the police. If there are disproportionate crime stats within the black community, that still does not excuse the police response, or their disproportionate deaths by police.

More interactions with police = more chance for bad to happen.

Increased resistance toward authority figures = increased response from authority figures.

More interactions, but for what?

Let me put it another way, one that has been forwarded many times, and seems ignored. If I had stolen cigarettes when I was 22 and a college student. Drunk, belligerent, running away, generally being an as$$hole, I would not be shot. It is really that simple. I would not have been.

My cousin and his frat brothers stole, drove around, and eventually sank a cab in the lake while at UW Madison. So... Drunk driving? Grand theft? Destruction of property? What do you think happened? She sure didn't get shot. As a matter of fact, not one night in jail.

Did either case involve aggressive resistance of arrest or actions which could have seemed dangerous or life threatening to any officers?

If not, then this is a non-sequitur.

Well, that is what they are saying. Even when there is no real resistance the chance of death is greater. I agree. Further, there is a lot less for me as a white guy to fear in the first place, so.... Point is, the name may not work well for you, but I sure can understand why they choose it, and I have no issue with it.

In Madison, not Wauwatosa! Lol

What's non-sequitur? We kaintukkans ain't smart nuff for that fancy langage.

But on the frat/cousin thing... that's due to fraternity/egalite/liberte (pardon my no accent agiu).

Yup. We were in no real danger of being gunned down by the police regardless how much crap we were doing.
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10/25/2016 6:31:25 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/25/2016 5:21:59 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/25/2016 5:10:25 PM, MakeSensePeopleDont wrote:
At 10/25/2016 5:04:37 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/25/2016 5:00:17 PM, MakeSensePeopleDont wrote:
At 10/25/2016 4:55:08 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/25/2016 4:37:44 PM, Mikal wrote:
Any more than other lives.

I'm anti-Racism to the highest possible degree but BLM has to concede to some objective facts.

(1) Black Crime vs (Insert Race) Crime is almost 2 to 3 times higher than any race you can bring up on a Per Capita Level.

You can attribute this to oppression, response to violence, education, location, etc. Regardless of what you attribute this to, Black on Black and Black Crime, in general, is objectively higher by a huge margin compared than any other race.

" MURDER
White:4,382 = 1.77 per 100k.
Black:4,498 = 11.83 per 100k.
Blacks commit murder at a rate 6.68 times that of Whites.

RAPE
White:10,990 = 4.45 per 100k.
Black:5,428 = 1,428 per 100k.
Blacks commit rape at a rate 3.21 times that of Whites.

ROBBERY
White:41,962 = 17 per 100k.
Black:56,948 = 150 per 100k.
Blacks commit robbery at a rate 9 times that of Whites.

AGG. ASSUALT
White:208,081 = 84 per 100k.
Black:112,325 = 295 per 100k.
Blacks commit agg. assualt at a rate 3.5 times that of Whites.

BURGLARY
White:157,252 = 64 per 100k.
Black:73,960 = 195 per 100k.
Blacks commit burglary at a rate 3 times that of Whites.

LARCENY-THEFT
White:663,360 = 269 per 100k.
Black:286,844 = 755 per 100k.
Blacks commit larceny at a rate 2.8 times that of Whites.

MOTOR VEHICLE THEFT
White:44,674 =18 per 100k.
Black:28,510 = 75 per 100k.
Blacks commit motor vehicle theft at a rate 4 times that of Whites.

OVERALL VIOLENT CRIME
White:265,754 = 107 per 100k.
Black:179,636 =473 per 100k.
OVERALL BLACKS COMMIT CRIMES AT A RATE 4.4(440%) TIMES THAT OF WHITES."

(2) At its core, the BLM message is entirely right, but the direction of the movement and the leadership are horrendous

By not condemning the response to some of its supporters, it's actively engaging in bolstering the negative and violent responses that we see today. Are cops always right? Obviously no they are not, but by actively engaging in and not working in peaceful ways to fix the training and mindset of officers who shoot before they think, it encourages violence in response to an already negative attribute.

BLM leadership needs to condemn the out of hand protests, and violence in response to some of the recent shootings.

(3) Black people are a part of the problem as well


The response to black crime and Racism is a part of the problem and the most significant part of the problem, but as mentioned in (2), the response to the initial response is also a part of the problem. When you respond to primordial racism which has led to oppression with violence it reinforces a false stereotype which leads to mor racism and oppression. Be the change you want to see.

The problem I see with this is, you are juxtaposing criminal activity with the actions of the police. If there are disproportionate crime stats within the black community, that still does not excuse the police response, or their disproportionate deaths by police.

More interactions with police = more chance for bad to happen.

Increased resistance toward authority figures = increased response from authority figures.

More interactions, but for what?

Let me put it another way, one that has been forwarded many times, and seems ignored. If I had stolen cigarettes when I was 22 and a college student. Drunk, belligerent, running away, generally being an as$$hole, I would not be shot. It is really that simple. I would not have been.

My cousin and his frat brothers stole, drove around, and eventually sank a cab in the lake while at UW Madison. So... Drunk driving? Grand theft? Destruction of property? What do you think happened? She sure didn't get shot. As a matter of fact, not one night in jail.

Did either case involve aggressive resistance of arrest or actions which could have seemed dangerous or life threatening to any officers?

If not, then this is a non-sequitur.

Well, that is what they are saying. Even when there is no real resistance the chance of :death is greater.

Effect = Increased alertness and less trust
Cause = Extreme imbalance of crime, criminal activity, gang activity, violent and aggressive activity.

Further, there is a lot less for me as a white guy to fear in the first place, so.... Point is, the name may not work well for you, but I sure can understand why they choose it, :and I have no issue with it.

You have less to fear as a white man? Not true. Instead, you have less to fear as a law abiding, respectful, responsible, and authority respecting member of society. It has nothing to do with color, but with actions...and yes, local environment.
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10/25/2016 6:31:49 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/25/2016 6:28:56 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/25/2016 5:41:22 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
At 10/25/2016 5:21:59 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/25/2016 5:10:25 PM, MakeSensePeopleDont wrote:
At 10/25/2016 5:04:37 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/25/2016 5:00:17 PM, MakeSensePeopleDont wrote:
At 10/25/2016 4:55:08 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/25/2016 4:37:44 PM, Mikal wrote:
Any more than other lives.

I'm anti-Racism to the highest possible degree but BLM has to concede to some objective facts.

(1) Black Crime vs (Insert Race) Crime is almost 2 to 3 times higher than any race you can bring up on a Per Capita Level.

You can attribute this to oppression, response to violence, education, location, etc. Regardless of what you attribute this to, Black on Black and Black Crime, in general, is objectively higher by a huge margin compared than any other race.

" MURDER
White:4,382 = 1.77 per 100k.
Black:4,498 = 11.83 per 100k.
Blacks commit murder at a rate 6.68 times that of Whites.

RAPE
White:10,990 = 4.45 per 100k.
Black:5,428 = 1,428 per 100k.
Blacks commit rape at a rate 3.21 times that of Whites.

ROBBERY
White:41,962 = 17 per 100k.
Black:56,948 = 150 per 100k.
Blacks commit robbery at a rate 9 times that of Whites.

AGG. ASSUALT
White:208,081 = 84 per 100k.
Black:112,325 = 295 per 100k.
Blacks commit agg. assualt at a rate 3.5 times that of Whites.

BURGLARY
White:157,252 = 64 per 100k.
Black:73,960 = 195 per 100k.
Blacks commit burglary at a rate 3 times that of Whites.

LARCENY-THEFT
White:663,360 = 269 per 100k.
Black:286,844 = 755 per 100k.
Blacks commit larceny at a rate 2.8 times that of Whites.

MOTOR VEHICLE THEFT
White:44,674 =18 per 100k.
Black:28,510 = 75 per 100k.
Blacks commit motor vehicle theft at a rate 4 times that of Whites.

OVERALL VIOLENT CRIME
White:265,754 = 107 per 100k.
Black:179,636 =473 per 100k.
OVERALL BLACKS COMMIT CRIMES AT A RATE 4.4(440%) TIMES THAT OF WHITES."

(2) At its core, the BLM message is entirely right, but the direction of the movement and the leadership are horrendous

By not condemning the response to some of its supporters, it's actively engaging in bolstering the negative and violent responses that we see today. Are cops always right? Obviously no they are not, but by actively engaging in and not working in peaceful ways to fix the training and mindset of officers who shoot before they think, it encourages violence in response to an already negative attribute.

BLM leadership needs to condemn the out of hand protests, and violence in response to some of the recent shootings.

(3) Black people are a part of the problem as well


The response to black crime and Racism is a part of the problem and the most significant part of the problem, but as mentioned in (2), the response to the initial response is also a part of the problem. When you respond to primordial racism which has led to oppression with violence it reinforces a false stereotype which leads to mor racism and oppression. Be the change you want to see.

The problem I see with this is, you are juxtaposing criminal activity with the actions of the police. If there are disproportionate crime stats within the black community, that still does not excuse the police response, or their disproportionate deaths by police.

More interactions with police = more chance for bad to happen.

Increased resistance toward authority figures = increased response from authority figures.

More interactions, but for what?

Let me put it another way, one that has been forwarded many times, and seems ignored. If I had stolen cigarettes when I was 22 and a college student. Drunk, belligerent, running away, generally being an as$$hole, I would not be shot. It is really that simple. I would not have been.

My cousin and his frat brothers stole, drove around, and eventually sank a cab in the lake while at UW Madison. So... Drunk driving? Grand theft? Destruction of property? What do you think happened? She sure didn't get shot. As a matter of fact, not one night in jail.

Did either case involve aggressive resistance of arrest or actions which could have seemed dangerous or life threatening to any officers?

If not, then this is a non-sequitur.

Well, that is what they are saying. Even when there is no real resistance the chance of death is greater. I agree. Further, there is a lot less for me as a white guy to fear in the first place, so.... Point is, the name may not work well for you, but I sure can understand why they choose it, and I have no issue with it.

In Madison, not Wauwatosa! Lol

What's non-sequitur? We kaintukkans ain't smart nuff for that fancy langage.

But on the frat/cousin thing... that's due to fraternity/egalite/liberte (pardon my no accent agiu).

Yup. We were in no real danger of being gunned down by the police regardless how much crap we were doing.

Good ole Madison... home of Epic emr/ehr!

You were spared by white privilege... you should have watched my YouTube white privilege post :)
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10/25/2016 6:34:04 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/25/2016 5:35:29 PM, kevin24018 wrote:
At 10/25/2016 5:10:25 PM, MakeSensePeopleDont wrote:
At 10/25/2016 5:04:37 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/25/2016 5:00:17 PM, MakeSensePeopleDont wrote:
At 10/25/2016 4:55:08 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/25/2016 4:37:44 PM, Mikal wrote:
Any more than other lives.

I'm anti-Racism to the highest possible degree but BLM has to concede to some objective facts.

(1) Black Crime vs (Insert Race) Crime is almost 2 to 3 times higher than any race you can bring up on a Per Capita Level.

You can attribute this to oppression, response to violence, education, location, etc. Regardless of what you attribute this to, Black on Black and Black Crime, in general, is objectively higher by a huge margin compared than any other race.

" MURDER
White:4,382 = 1.77 per 100k.
Black:4,498 = 11.83 per 100k.
Blacks commit murder at a rate 6.68 times that of Whites.

RAPE
White:10,990 = 4.45 per 100k.
Black:5,428 = 1,428 per 100k.
Blacks commit rape at a rate 3.21 times that of Whites.

ROBBERY
White:41,962 = 17 per 100k.
Black:56,948 = 150 per 100k.
Blacks commit robbery at a rate 9 times that of Whites.

AGG. ASSUALT
White:208,081 = 84 per 100k.
Black:112,325 = 295 per 100k.
Blacks commit agg. assualt at a rate 3.5 times that of Whites.

BURGLARY
White:157,252 = 64 per 100k.
Black:73,960 = 195 per 100k.
Blacks commit burglary at a rate 3 times that of Whites.

LARCENY-THEFT
White:663,360 = 269 per 100k.
Black:286,844 = 755 per 100k.
Blacks commit larceny at a rate 2.8 times that of Whites.

MOTOR VEHICLE THEFT
White:44,674 =18 per 100k.
Black:28,510 = 75 per 100k.
Blacks commit motor vehicle theft at a rate 4 times that of Whites.

OVERALL VIOLENT CRIME
White:265,754 = 107 per 100k.
Black:179,636 =473 per 100k.
OVERALL BLACKS COMMIT CRIMES AT A RATE 4.4(440%) TIMES THAT OF WHITES."

(2) At its core, the BLM message is entirely right, but the direction of the movement and the leadership are horrendous

By not condemning the response to some of its supporters, it's actively engaging in bolstering the negative and violent responses that we see today. Are cops always right? Obviously no they are not, but by actively engaging in and not working in peaceful ways to fix the training and mindset of officers who shoot before they think, it encourages violence in response to an already negative attribute.

BLM leadership needs to condemn the out of hand protests, and violence in response to some of the recent shootings.

(3) Black people are a part of the problem as well


The response to black crime and Racism is a part of the problem and the most significant part of the problem, but as mentioned in (2), the response to the initial response is also a part of the problem. When you respond to primordial racism which has led to oppression with violence it reinforces a false stereotype which leads to mor racism and oppression. Be the change you want to see.

The problem I see with this is, you are juxtaposing criminal activity with the actions of the police. If there are disproportionate crime stats within the black community, that still does not excuse the police response, or their disproportionate deaths by police.

More interactions with police = more chance for bad to happen.

Increased resistance toward authority figures = increased response from authority figures.

More interactions, but for what?

Let me put it another way, one that has been forwarded many times, and seems ignored. If I had stolen cigarettes when I was 22 and a college student. Drunk, belligerent, running away, generally being an as$$hole, I would not be shot. It is really that simple. I would not have been.

My cousin and his frat brothers stole, drove around, and eventually sank a cab in the lake while at UW Madison. So... Drunk driving? Grand theft? Destruction of property? What do you think happened? She sure didn't get shot. As a matter of fact, not one night in jail.

Did either case involve aggressive resistance of arrest or actions which could have seemed dangerous or life threatening to any officers?

If not, then this is a non-sequitur.

or did they happen in Chicago? (other high crime area0

Has nothing to do with response by use of deadly force. If it were the case, every person in Chicago who interacts with officers would be shot on the spot.

But I understand what you are trying to say -- just a bit too over the top.
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10/25/2016 6:36:18 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/25/2016 6:28:40 PM, Burzmali wrote:
At 10/25/2016 4:37:44 PM, Mikal wrote:
Any more than other lives.

I'm anti-Racism to the highest possible degree but BLM has to concede to some objective facts.

(1) Black Crime vs (Insert Race) Crime is almost 2 to 3 times higher than any race you can bring up on a Per Capita Level.

You can attribute this to oppression, response to violence, education, location, etc. Regardless of what you attribute this to, Black on Black and Black Crime, in general, is objectively higher by a huge margin compared than any other race.

" MURDER
White:4,382 = 1.77 per 100k.
Black:4,498 = 11.83 per 100k.
Blacks commit murder at a rate 6.68 times that of Whites.

RAPE
White:10,990 = 4.45 per 100k.
Black:5,428 = 1,428 per 100k.
Blacks commit rape at a rate 3.21 times that of Whites.

ROBBERY
White:41,962 = 17 per 100k.
Black:56,948 = 150 per 100k.
Blacks commit robbery at a rate 9 times that of Whites.

AGG. ASSUALT
White:208,081 = 84 per 100k.
Black:112,325 = 295 per 100k.
Blacks commit agg. assualt at a rate 3.5 times that of Whites.

BURGLARY
White:157,252 = 64 per 100k.
Black:73,960 = 195 per 100k.
Blacks commit burglary at a rate 3 times that of Whites.

LARCENY-THEFT
White:663,360 = 269 per 100k.
Black:286,844 = 755 per 100k.
Blacks commit larceny at a rate 2.8 times that of Whites.

MOTOR VEHICLE THEFT
White:44,674 =18 per 100k.
Black:28,510 = 75 per 100k.
Blacks commit motor vehicle theft at a rate 4 times that of Whites.

OVERALL VIOLENT CRIME
White:265,754 = 107 per 100k.
Black:179,636 =473 per 100k.
OVERALL BLACKS COMMIT CRIMES AT A RATE 4.4(440%) TIMES THAT OF WHITES."

Where are these stats from? I ask because I think it would be interesting to find a breakdown that accounted for geographical location. Whites are far more concentrated in the suburbs and rural areas, where as there are almost twice as many blacks, by percentage, in urban areas compared to their populations in those other two regions. Crime is also significantly higher in urban areas by comparison. Essentially, the greater number of whites living in lower-crime areas may be weighing these stats in their favor.

(2) At its core, the BLM message is entirely right, but the direction of the movement and the leadership are horrendous

By not condemning the response to some of its supporters, it's actively engaging in bolstering the negative and violent responses that we see today. Are cops always right? Obviously no they are not, but by actively engaging in and not working in peaceful ways to fix the training and mindset of officers who shoot before they think, it encourages violence in response to an already negative attribute.

BLM leadership needs to condemn the out of hand protests, and violence in response to some of the recent shootings.

(3) Black people are a part of the problem as well


The response to black crime and Racism is a part of the problem and the most significant part of the problem, but as mentioned in (2), the response to the initial response is also a part of the problem. When you respond to primordial racism which has led to oppression with violence it reinforces a false stereotype which leads to mor racism and oppression. Be the change you want to see.

probably from fbi.gov but there's youtube video that came out when the gun debate was raging and basically a very percentage of the murders are in cities with 100k people or more.
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10/25/2016 7:08:51 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/25/2016 6:31:49 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
At 10/25/2016 6:28:56 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/25/2016 5:41:22 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
At 10/25/2016 5:21:59 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/25/2016 5:10:25 PM, MakeSensePeopleDont wrote:
At 10/25/2016 5:04:37 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/25/2016 5:00:17 PM, MakeSensePeopleDont wrote:
At 10/25/2016 4:55:08 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/25/2016 4:37:44 PM, Mikal wrote:
Any more than other lives.

I'm anti-Racism to the highest possible degree but BLM has to concede to some objective facts.

(1) Black Crime vs (Insert Race) Crime is almost 2 to 3 times higher than any race you can bring up on a Per Capita Level.

You can attribute this to oppression, response to violence, education, location, etc. Regardless of what you attribute this to, Black on Black and Black Crime, in general, is objectively higher by a huge margin compared than any other race.

" MURDER
White:4,382 = 1.77 per 100k.
Black:4,498 = 11.83 per 100k.
Blacks commit murder at a rate 6.68 times that of Whites.

RAPE
White:10,990 = 4.45 per 100k.
Black:5,428 = 1,428 per 100k.
Blacks commit rape at a rate 3.21 times that of Whites.

ROBBERY
White:41,962 = 17 per 100k.
Black:56,948 = 150 per 100k.
Blacks commit robbery at a rate 9 times that of Whites.

AGG. ASSUALT
White:208,081 = 84 per 100k.
Black:112,325 = 295 per 100k.
Blacks commit agg. assualt at a rate 3.5 times that of Whites.

BURGLARY
White:157,252 = 64 per 100k.
Black:73,960 = 195 per 100k.
Blacks commit burglary at a rate 3 times that of Whites.

LARCENY-THEFT
White:663,360 = 269 per 100k.
Black:286,844 = 755 per 100k.
Blacks commit larceny at a rate 2.8 times that of Whites.

MOTOR VEHICLE THEFT
White:44,674 =18 per 100k.
Black:28,510 = 75 per 100k.
Blacks commit motor vehicle theft at a rate 4 times that of Whites.

OVERALL VIOLENT CRIME
White:265,754 = 107 per 100k.
Black:179,636 =473 per 100k.
OVERALL BLACKS COMMIT CRIMES AT A RATE 4.4(440%) TIMES THAT OF WHITES."

(2) At its core, the BLM message is entirely right, but the direction of the movement and the leadership are horrendous

By not condemning the response to some of its supporters, it's actively engaging in bolstering the negative and violent responses that we see today. Are cops always right? Obviously no they are not, but by actively engaging in and not working in peaceful ways to fix the training and mindset of officers who shoot before they think, it encourages violence in response to an already negative attribute.

BLM leadership needs to condemn the out of hand protests, and violence in response to some of the recent shootings.

(3) Black people are a part of the problem as well


The response to black crime and Racism is a part of the problem and the most significant part of the problem, but as mentioned in (2), the response to the initial response is also a part of the problem. When you respond to primordial racism which has led to oppression with violence it reinforces a false stereotype which leads to mor racism and oppression. Be the change you want to see.

The problem I see with this is, you are juxtaposing criminal activity with the actions of the police. If there are disproportionate crime stats within the black community, that still does not excuse the police response, or their disproportionate deaths by police.

More interactions with police = more chance for bad to happen.

Increased resistance toward authority figures = increased response from authority figures.

More interactions, but for what?

Let me put it another way, one that has been forwarded many times, and seems ignored. If I had stolen cigarettes when I was 22 and a college student. Drunk, belligerent, running away, generally being an as$$hole, I would not be shot. It is really that simple. I would not have been.

My cousin and his frat brothers stole, drove around, and eventually sank a cab in the lake while at UW Madison. So... Drunk driving? Grand theft? Destruction of property? What do you think happened? She sure didn't get shot. As a matter of fact, not one night in jail.

Did either case involve aggressive resistance of arrest or actions which could have seemed dangerous or life threatening to any officers?

If not, then this is a non-sequitur.

Well, that is what they are saying. Even when there is no real resistance the chance of death is greater. I agree. Further, there is a lot less for me as a white guy to fear in the first place, so.... Point is, the name may not work well for you, but I sure can understand why they choose it, and I have no issue with it.

In Madison, not Wauwatosa! Lol

What's non-sequitur? We kaintukkans ain't smart nuff for that fancy langage.

But on the frat/cousin thing... that's due to fraternity/egalite/liberte (pardon my no accent agiu).

Yup. We were in no real danger of being gunned down by the police regardless how much crap we were doing.

Good ole Madison... home of Epic emr/ehr!

You were spared by white privilege... you should have watched my YouTube white privilege post :)

My uncle is buddy buddy with the Epic folk. They have a hell of a campus at this point.
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10/25/2016 7:12:04 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/25/2016 6:31:25 PM, MakeSensePeopleDont wrote:
At 10/25/2016 5:21:59 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/25/2016 5:10:25 PM, MakeSensePeopleDont wrote:
At 10/25/2016 5:04:37 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/25/2016 5:00:17 PM, MakeSensePeopleDont wrote:
At 10/25/2016 4:55:08 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/25/2016 4:37:44 PM, Mikal wrote:
Any more than other lives.

I'm anti-Racism to the highest possible degree but BLM has to concede to some objective facts.

(1) Black Crime vs (Insert Race) Crime is almost 2 to 3 times higher than any race you can bring up on a Per Capita Level.

You can attribute this to oppression, response to violence, education, location, etc. Regardless of what you attribute this to, Black on Black and Black Crime, in general, is objectively higher by a huge margin compared than any other race.

" MURDER
White:4,382 = 1.77 per 100k.
Black:4,498 = 11.83 per 100k.
Blacks commit murder at a rate 6.68 times that of Whites.

RAPE
White:10,990 = 4.45 per 100k.
Black:5,428 = 1,428 per 100k.
Blacks commit rape at a rate 3.21 times that of Whites.

ROBBERY
White:41,962 = 17 per 100k.
Black:56,948 = 150 per 100k.
Blacks commit robbery at a rate 9 times that of Whites.

AGG. ASSUALT
White:208,081 = 84 per 100k.
Black:112,325 = 295 per 100k.
Blacks commit agg. assualt at a rate 3.5 times that of Whites.

BURGLARY
White:157,252 = 64 per 100k.
Black:73,960 = 195 per 100k.
Blacks commit burglary at a rate 3 times that of Whites.

LARCENY-THEFT
White:663,360 = 269 per 100k.
Black:286,844 = 755 per 100k.
Blacks commit larceny at a rate 2.8 times that of Whites.

MOTOR VEHICLE THEFT
White:44,674 =18 per 100k.
Black:28,510 = 75 per 100k.
Blacks commit motor vehicle theft at a rate 4 times that of Whites.

OVERALL VIOLENT CRIME
White:265,754 = 107 per 100k.
Black:179,636 =473 per 100k.
OVERALL BLACKS COMMIT CRIMES AT A RATE 4.4(440%) TIMES THAT OF WHITES."

(2) At its core, the BLM message is entirely right, but the direction of the movement and the leadership are horrendous

By not condemning the response to some of its supporters, it's actively engaging in bolstering the negative and violent responses that we see today. Are cops always right? Obviously no they are not, but by actively engaging in and not working in peaceful ways to fix the training and mindset of officers who shoot before they think, it encourages violence in response to an already negative attribute.

BLM leadership needs to condemn the out of hand protests, and violence in response to some of the recent shootings.

(3) Black people are a part of the problem as well


The response to black crime and Racism is a part of the problem and the most significant part of the problem, but as mentioned in (2), the response to the initial response is also a part of the problem. When you respond to primordial racism which has led to oppression with violence it reinforces a false stereotype which leads to mor racism and oppression. Be the change you want to see.

The problem I see with this is, you are juxtaposing criminal activity with the actions of the police. If there are disproportionate crime stats within the black community, that still does not excuse the police response, or their disproportionate deaths by police.

More interactions with police = more chance for bad to happen.

Increased resistance toward authority figures = increased response from authority figures.

More interactions, but for what?

Let me put it another way, one that has been forwarded many times, and seems ignored. If I had stolen cigarettes when I was 22 and a college student. Drunk, belligerent, running away, generally being an as$$hole, I would not be shot. It is really that simple. I would not have been.

My cousin and his frat brothers stole, drove around, and eventually sank a cab in the lake while at UW Madison. So... Drunk driving? Grand theft? Destruction of property? What do you think happened? She sure didn't get shot. As a matter of fact, not one night in jail.

Did either case involve aggressive resistance of arrest or actions which could have seemed dangerous or life threatening to any officers?

If not, then this is a non-sequitur.

Well, that is what they are saying. Even when there is no real resistance the chance of :death is greater.

Effect = Increased alertness and less trust
Cause = Extreme imbalance of crime, criminal activity, gang activity, violent and aggressive activity.
Right. And that does not mean you deserve to be killed more.


Further, there is a lot less for me as a white guy to fear in the first place, so.... Point is, the name may not work well for you, but I sure can understand why they choose it, :and I have no issue with it.

You have less to fear as a white man? Not true. Instead, you have less to fear as a law abiding, respectful, responsible, and authority respecting member of society. It has nothing to do with color, but with actions...and yes, local environment.
But you are wrong. If I am a law abiding black man, my chances are higher I will be shot. If I am a law breaking white guy, my chances are lower that I will be shot.

Its the root of the "cause". You can dismiss them, argue the stats, but this endless moaning over the name of the "group" is so stupid. This. THIS is what they are trying to get across. Simple enough, right?
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10/25/2016 7:21:03 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/25/2016 7:08:51 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/25/2016 6:31:49 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
At 10/25/2016 6:28:56 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/25/2016 5:41:22 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
At 10/25/2016 5:21:59 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/25/2016 5:10:25 PM, MakeSensePeopleDont wrote:
At 10/25/2016 5:04:37 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/25/2016 5:00:17 PM, MakeSensePeopleDont wrote:
At 10/25/2016 4:55:08 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/25/2016 4:37:44 PM, Mikal wrote:
Any more than other lives.

I'm anti-Racism to the highest possible degree but BLM has to concede to some objective facts.

(1) Black Crime vs (Insert Race) Crime is almost 2 to 3 times higher than any race you can bring up on a Per Capita Level.

You can attribute this to oppression, response to violence, education, location, etc. Regardless of what you attribute this to, Black on Black and Black Crime, in general, is objectively higher by a huge margin compared than any other race.

" MURDER
White:4,382 = 1.77 per 100k.
Black:4,498 = 11.83 per 100k.
Blacks commit murder at a rate 6.68 times that of Whites.

RAPE
White:10,990 = 4.45 per 100k.
Black:5,428 = 1,428 per 100k.
Blacks commit rape at a rate 3.21 times that of Whites.

ROBBERY
White:41,962 = 17 per 100k.
Black:56,948 = 150 per 100k.
Blacks commit robbery at a rate 9 times that of Whites.

AGG. ASSUALT
White:208,081 = 84 per 100k.
Black:112,325 = 295 per 100k.
Blacks commit agg. assualt at a rate 3.5 times that of Whites.

BURGLARY
White:157,252 = 64 per 100k.
Black:73,960 = 195 per 100k.
Blacks commit burglary at a rate 3 times that of Whites.

LARCENY-THEFT
White:663,360 = 269 per 100k.
Black:286,844 = 755 per 100k.
Blacks commit larceny at a rate 2.8 times that of Whites.

MOTOR VEHICLE THEFT
White:44,674 =18 per 100k.
Black:28,510 = 75 per 100k.
Blacks commit motor vehicle theft at a rate 4 times that of Whites.

OVERALL VIOLENT CRIME
White:265,754 = 107 per 100k.
Black:179,636 =473 per 100k.
OVERALL BLACKS COMMIT CRIMES AT A RATE 4.4(440%) TIMES THAT OF WHITES."

(2) At its core, the BLM message is entirely right, but the direction of the movement and the leadership are horrendous

By not condemning the response to some of its supporters, it's actively engaging in bolstering the negative and violent responses that we see today. Are cops always right? Obviously no they are not, but by actively engaging in and not working in peaceful ways to fix the training and mindset of officers who shoot before they think, it encourages violence in response to an already negative attribute.

BLM leadership needs to condemn the out of hand protests, and violence in response to some of the recent shootings.

(3) Black people are a part of the problem as well


The response to black crime and Racism is a part of the problem and the most significant part of the problem, but as mentioned in (2), the response to the initial response is also a part of the problem. When you respond to primordial racism which has led to oppression with violence it reinforces a false stereotype which leads to mor racism and oppression. Be the change you want to see.

The problem I see with this is, you are juxtaposing criminal activity with the actions of the police. If there are disproportionate crime stats within the black community, that still does not excuse the police response, or their disproportionate deaths by police.

More interactions with police = more chance for bad to happen.

Increased resistance toward authority figures = increased response from authority figures.

More interactions, but for what?

Let me put it another way, one that has been forwarded many times, and seems ignored. If I had stolen cigarettes when I was 22 and a college student. Drunk, belligerent, running away, generally being an as$$hole, I would not be shot. It is really that simple. I would not have been.

My cousin and his frat brothers stole, drove around, and eventually sank a cab in the lake while at UW Madison. So... Drunk driving? Grand theft? Destruction of property? What do you think happened? She sure didn't get shot. As a matter of fact, not one night in jail.

Did either case involve aggressive resistance of arrest or actions which could have seemed dangerous or life threatening to any officers?

If not, then this is a non-sequitur.

Well, that is what they are saying. Even when there is no real resistance the chance of death is greater. I agree. Further, there is a lot less for me as a white guy to fear in the first place, so.... Point is, the name may not work well for you, but I sure can understand why they choose it, and I have no issue with it.

In Madison, not Wauwatosa! Lol

What's non-sequitur? We kaintukkans ain't smart nuff for that fancy langage.

But on the frat/cousin thing... that's due to fraternity/egalite/liberte (pardon my no accent agiu).

Yup. We were in no real danger of being gunned down by the police regardless how much crap we were doing.

Good ole Madison... home of Epic emr/ehr!

You were spared by white privilege... you should have watched my YouTube white privilege post :)

My uncle is buddy buddy with the Epic folk. They have a hell of a campus at this point.

65% of the market last I looked. Those that tried homegrown systems struggle just as much as those that tried with ANSI EDI.

Nice town you are in. Don't you guys have a sizable Somali population?

Here our immigrants are mostly h1b's from India and Pakistan. But we are a healthcare technology medical research town so that's to be expected. Think we've had 5 mosques go up in the last 6 years?
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10/25/2016 7:27:30 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/25/2016 7:12:04 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/25/2016 6:31:25 PM, MakeSensePeopleDont wrote:
At 10/25/2016 5:21:59 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/25/2016 5:10:25 PM, MakeSensePeopleDont wrote:
At 10/25/2016 5:04:37 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/25/2016 5:00:17 PM, MakeSensePeopleDont wrote:
At 10/25/2016 4:55:08 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/25/2016 4:37:44 PM, Mikal wrote:
Any more than other lives.

I'm anti-Racism to the highest possible degree but BLM has to concede to some objective facts.

(1) Black Crime vs (Insert Race) Crime is almost 2 to 3 times higher than any race you can bring up on a Per Capita Level.

You can attribute this to oppression, response to violence, education, location, etc. Regardless of what you attribute this to, Black on Black and Black Crime, in general, is objectively higher by a huge margin compared than any other race.

" MURDER
White:4,382 = 1.77 per 100k.
Black:4,498 = 11.83 per 100k.
Blacks commit murder at a rate 6.68 times that of Whites.

RAPE
White:10,990 = 4.45 per 100k.
Black:5,428 = 1,428 per 100k.
Blacks commit rape at a rate 3.21 times that of Whites.

ROBBERY
White:41,962 = 17 per 100k.
Black:56,948 = 150 per 100k.
Blacks commit robbery at a rate 9 times that of Whites.

AGG. ASSUALT
White:208,081 = 84 per 100k.
Black:112,325 = 295 per 100k.
Blacks commit agg. assualt at a rate 3.5 times that of Whites.

BURGLARY
White:157,252 = 64 per 100k.
Black:73,960 = 195 per 100k.
Blacks commit burglary at a rate 3 times that of Whites.

LARCENY-THEFT
White:663,360 = 269 per 100k.
Black:286,844 = 755 per 100k.
Blacks commit larceny at a rate 2.8 times that of Whites.

MOTOR VEHICLE THEFT
White:44,674 =18 per 100k.
Black:28,510 = 75 per 100k.
Blacks commit motor vehicle theft at a rate 4 times that of Whites.

OVERALL VIOLENT CRIME
White:265,754 = 107 per 100k.
Black:179,636 =473 per 100k.
OVERALL BLACKS COMMIT CRIMES AT A RATE 4.4(440%) TIMES THAT OF WHITES."

(2) At its core, the BLM message is entirely right, but the direction of the movement and the leadership are horrendous

By not condemning the response to some of its supporters, it's actively engaging in bolstering the negative and violent responses that we see today. Are cops always right? Obviously no they are not, but by actively engaging in and not working in peaceful ways to fix the training and mindset of officers who shoot before they think, it encourages violence in response to an already negative attribute.

BLM leadership needs to condemn the out of hand protests, and violence in response to some of the recent shootings.

(3) Black people are a part of the problem as well


The response to black crime and Racism is a part of the problem and the most significant part of the problem, but as mentioned in (2), the response to the initial response is also a part of the problem. When you respond to primordial racism which has led to oppression with violence it reinforces a false stereotype which leads to mor racism and oppression. Be the change you want to see.

The problem I see with this is, you are juxtaposing criminal activity with the actions of the police. If there are disproportionate crime stats within the black community, that still does not excuse the police response, or their disproportionate deaths by police.

More interactions with police = more chance for bad to happen.

Increased resistance toward authority figures = increased response from authority figures.

More interactions, but for what?

Let me put it another way, one that has been forwarded many times, and seems ignored. If I had stolen cigarettes when I was 22 and a college student. Drunk, belligerent, running away, generally being an as$$hole, I would not be shot. It is really that simple. I would not have been.

My cousin and his frat brothers stole, drove around, and eventually sank a cab in the lake while at UW Madison. So... Drunk driving? Grand theft? Destruction of property? What do you think happened? She sure didn't get shot. As a matter of fact, not one night in jail.

Did either case involve aggressive resistance of arrest or actions which could have seemed dangerous or life threatening to any officers?

If not, then this is a non-sequitur.

Well, that is what they are saying. Even when there is no real resistance the chance of :death is greater.

Effect = Increased alertness and less trust
Cause = Extreme imbalance of crime, criminal activity, gang activity, violent and aggressive activity.
Right. And that does not mean you deserve to be killed more.


Correct, but it does mean you deserve equivalent response for the protection of the officers interacting with you.

For those good persons who unfortunately are living in a bad area, I'm sorry, it's just the way it goes. Keep your nose clean, be smart, make goals for yourself, and get out the second you get the chance to.

Look, I get what you're saying, but I just went home to visit my family for the first time in 10 years a couple weeks ago. Within days, not 200 feet from my hotel room door, right in front of the police station, a man was shot multiple times then stabbed multiple times. I come from these environments and had to put up with the unfortunate truths and repercussions from it for 19 years. So I get it, I really do. But I also see it from the police perspective having spent three years doing ride alongs and shadowing of officers. I can tell you, it is a necessary evil, 100%; and well deserved.


Further, there is a lot less for me as a white guy to fear in the first place, so.... Point is, the name may not work well for you, but I sure can understand why they choose it, :and I have no issue with it.

You have less to fear as a white man? Not true. Instead, you have less to fear as a law abiding, respectful, responsible, and authority respecting member of society. It has nothing to do with color, but with actions...and yes, local environment.
But you are wrong. If I am a law abiding black man, my chances are higher I will be shot. If I am a law breaking white guy, my chances are lower that I will be shot.


Sorry to be this short, but it demands this response: Prove it.

Its the root of the "cause". You can dismiss them, argue the stats, but this endless moaning over the name of the "group" is so stupid. This. THIS is what they are trying to get across. Simple enough, right?

No, BLM, as is evident by their list of demands, wants the nation to go belly up and allow black people to do whatever the heck they want to, whenever they want to, and without repercussions. They also want all kinds of reparations and free everything...including sovereign territory within t
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10/25/2016 7:30:18 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/25/2016 7:12:04 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/25/2016 6:31:25 PM, MakeSensePeopleDont wrote:
At 10/25/2016 5:21:59 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/25/2016 5:10:25 PM, MakeSensePeopleDont wrote:
At 10/25/2016 5:04:37 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/25/2016 5:00:17 PM, MakeSensePeopleDont wrote:
At 10/25/2016 4:55:08 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/25/2016 4:37:44 PM, Mikal wrote:
Any more than other lives.

I'm anti-Racism to the highest possible degree but BLM has to concede to some objective facts.

(1) Black Crime vs (Insert Race) Crime is almost 2 to 3 times higher than any race you can bring up on a Per Capita Level.

You can attribute this to oppression, response to violence, education, location, etc. Regardless of what you attribute this to, Black on Black and Black Crime, in general, is objectively higher by a huge margin compared than any other race.

" MURDER
White:4,382 = 1.77 per 100k.
Black:4,498 = 11.83 per 100k.
Blacks commit murder at a rate 6.68 times that of Whites.

RAPE
White:10,990 = 4.45 per 100k.
Black:5,428 = 1,428 per 100k.
Blacks commit rape at a rate 3.21 times that of Whites.

ROBBERY
White:41,962 = 17 per 100k.
Black:56,948 = 150 per 100k.
Blacks commit robbery at a rate 9 times that of Whites.

AGG. ASSUALT
White:208,081 = 84 per 100k.
Black:112,325 = 295 per 100k.
Blacks commit agg. assualt at a rate 3.5 times that of Whites.

BURGLARY
White:157,252 = 64 per 100k.
Black:73,960 = 195 per 100k.
Blacks commit burglary at a rate 3 times that of Whites.

LARCENY-THEFT
White:663,360 = 269 per 100k.
Black:286,844 = 755 per 100k.
Blacks commit larceny at a rate 2.8 times that of Whites.

MOTOR VEHICLE THEFT
White:44,674 =18 per 100k.
Black:28,510 = 75 per 100k.
Blacks commit motor vehicle theft at a rate 4 times that of Whites.

OVERALL VIOLENT CRIME
White:265,754 = 107 per 100k.
Black:179,636 =473 per 100k.
OVERALL BLACKS COMMIT CRIMES AT A RATE 4.4(440%) TIMES THAT OF WHITES."

(2) At its core, the BLM message is entirely right, but the direction of the movement and the leadership are horrendous

By not condemning the response to some of its supporters, it's actively engaging in bolstering the negative and violent responses that we see today. Are cops always right? Obviously no they are not, but by actively engaging in and not working in peaceful ways to fix the training and mindset of officers who shoot before they think, it encourages violence in response to an already negative attribute.

BLM leadership needs to condemn the out of hand protests, and violence in response to some of the recent shootings.

(3) Black people are a part of the problem as well


The response to black crime and Racism is a part of the problem and the most significant part of the problem, but as mentioned in (2), the response to the initial response is also a part of the problem. When you respond to primordial racism which has led to oppression with violence it reinforces a false stereotype which leads to mor racism and oppression. Be the change you want to see.

The problem I see with this is, you are juxtaposing criminal activity with the actions of the police. If there are disproportionate crime stats within the black community, that still does not excuse the police response, or their disproportionate deaths by police.

More interactions with police = more chance for bad to happen.

Increased resistance toward authority figures = increased response from authority figures.

More interactions, but for what?

Let me put it another way, one that has been forwarded many times, and seems ignored. If I had stolen cigarettes when I was 22 and a college student. Drunk, belligerent, running away, generally being an as$$hole, I would not be shot. It is really that simple. I would not have been.

My cousin and his frat brothers stole, drove around, and eventually sank a cab in the lake while at UW Madison. So... Drunk driving? Grand theft? Destruction of property? What do you think happened? She sure didn't get shot. As a matter of fact, not one night in jail.

Did either case involve aggressive resistance of arrest or actions which could have seemed dangerous or life threatening to any officers?

If not, then this is a non-sequitur.

Well, that is what they are saying. Even when there is no real resistance the chance of :death is greater.

Effect = Increased alertness and less trust
Cause = Extreme imbalance of crime, criminal activity, gang activity, violent and aggressive activity.
Right. And that does not mean you deserve to be killed more.


Further, there is a lot less for me as a white guy to fear in the first place, so.... Point is, the name may not work well for you, but I sure can understand why they choose it, :and I have no issue with it.

You have less to fear as a white man? Not true. Instead, you have less to fear as a law abiding, respectful, responsible, and authority respecting member of society. It has nothing to do with color, but with actions...and yes, local environment.
But you are wrong. If I am a law abiding black man, my chances are higher I will be shot. If I am a law breaking white guy, my chances are lower that I will be shot.

you don't have to be armed to be a threat right? The female cop hospitalized because she was afraid to shoot, prime example.

Its the root of the "cause". You can dismiss them, argue the stats, but this endless moaning over the name of the "group" is so stupid. This. THIS is what they are trying to get across. Simple enough, right?

the root cause is crime and non compliance, how many instances is anyone of any race shot by police just walking down the road?

"The study concluded that police officers who had not been attacked were more likely to shoot white suspects."
http://tribunist.com...
But when it comes to the most lethal form of force " police shootings " the study finds no racial bias.
http://www.nytimes.com...
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10/25/2016 7:34:13 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/25/2016 7:30:18 PM, kevin24018 wrote:
At 10/25/2016 7:12:04 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/25/2016 6:31:25 PM, MakeSensePeopleDont wrote:
At 10/25/2016 5:21:59 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/25/2016 5:10:25 PM, MakeSensePeopleDont wrote:
At 10/25/2016 5:04:37 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/25/2016 5:00:17 PM, MakeSensePeopleDont wrote:
At 10/25/2016 4:55:08 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/25/2016 4:37:44 PM, Mikal wrote:
Any more than other lives.

I'm anti-Racism to the highest possible degree but BLM has to concede to some objective facts.

(1) Black Crime vs (Insert Race) Crime is almost 2 to 3 times higher than any race you can bring up on a Per Capita Level.

You can attribute this to oppression, response to violence, education, location, etc. Regardless of what you attribute this to, Black on Black and Black Crime, in general, is objectively higher by a huge margin compared than any other race.

" MURDER
White:4,382 = 1.77 per 100k.
Black:4,498 = 11.83 per 100k.
Blacks commit murder at a rate 6.68 times that of Whites.

RAPE
White:10,990 = 4.45 per 100k.
Black:5,428 = 1,428 per 100k.
Blacks commit rape at a rate 3.21 times that of Whites.

ROBBERY
White:41,962 = 17 per 100k.
Black:56,948 = 150 per 100k.
Blacks commit robbery at a rate 9 times that of Whites.

AGG. ASSUALT
White:208,081 = 84 per 100k.
Black:112,325 = 295 per 100k.
Blacks commit agg. assualt at a rate 3.5 times that of Whites.

BURGLARY
White:157,252 = 64 per 100k.
Black:73,960 = 195 per 100k.
Blacks commit burglary at a rate 3 times that of Whites.

LARCENY-THEFT
White:663,360 = 269 per 100k.
Black:286,844 = 755 per 100k.
Blacks commit larceny at a rate 2.8 times that of Whites.

MOTOR VEHICLE THEFT
White:44,674 =18 per 100k.
Black:28,510 = 75 per 100k.
Blacks commit motor vehicle theft at a rate 4 times that of Whites.

OVERALL VIOLENT CRIME
White:265,754 = 107 per 100k.
Black:179,636 =473 per 100k.
OVERALL BLACKS COMMIT CRIMES AT A RATE 4.4(440%) TIMES THAT OF WHITES."

(2) At its core, the BLM message is entirely right, but the direction of the movement and the leadership are horrendous

By not condemning the response to some of its supporters, it's actively engaging in bolstering the negative and violent responses that we see today. Are cops always right? Obviously no they are not, but by actively engaging in and not working in peaceful ways to fix the training and mindset of officers who shoot before they think, it encourages violence in response to an already negative attribute.

BLM leadership needs to condemn the out of hand protests, and violence in response to some of the recent shootings.

(3) Black people are a part of the problem as well


The response to black crime and Racism is a part of the problem and the most significant part of the problem, but as mentioned in (2), the response to the initial response is also a part of the problem. When you respond to primordial racism which has led to oppression with violence it reinforces a false stereotype which leads to mor racism and oppression. Be the change you want to see.

The problem I see with this is, you are juxtaposing criminal activity with the actions of the police. If there are disproportionate crime stats within the black community, that still does not excuse the police response, or their disproportionate deaths by police.

More interactions with police = more chance for bad to happen.

Increased resistance toward authority figures = increased response from authority figures.

More interactions, but for what?

Let me put it another way, one that has been forwarded many times, and seems ignored. If I had stolen cigarettes when I was 22 and a college student. Drunk, belligerent, running away, generally being an as$$hole, I would not be shot. It is really that simple. I would not have been.

My cousin and his frat brothers stole, drove around, and eventually sank a cab in the lake while at UW Madison. So... Drunk driving? Grand theft? Destruction of property? What do you think happened? She sure didn't get shot. As a matter of fact, not one night in jail.

Did either case involve aggressive resistance of arrest or actions which could have seemed dangerous or life threatening to any officers?

If not, then this is a non-sequitur.

Well, that is what they are saying. Even when there is no real resistance the chance of :death is greater.

Effect = Increased alertness and less trust
Cause = Extreme imbalance of crime, criminal activity, gang activity, violent and aggressive activity.
Right. And that does not mean you deserve to be killed more.


Further, there is a lot less for me as a white guy to fear in the first place, so.... Point is, the name may not work well for you, but I sure can understand why they choose it, :and I have no issue with it.

You have less to fear as a white man? Not true. Instead, you have less to fear as a law abiding, respectful, responsible, and authority respecting member of society. It has nothing to do with color, but with actions...and yes, local environment.
But you are wrong. If I am a law abiding black man, my chances are higher I will be shot. If I am a law breaking white guy, my chances are lower that I will be shot.

you don't have to be armed to be a threat right? The female cop hospitalized because she was afraid to shoot, prime example.
Has nothing to do with it. Armed, unarmed, black people are saying that they are more likely to be killed by police. More likely while committing a crime or not. Just plan more likely.


Its the root of the "cause". You can dismiss them, argue the stats, but this endless moaning over the name of the "group" is so stupid. This. THIS is what they are trying to get across. Simple enough, right?

the root cause is crime and non compliance, how many instances is anyone of any race shot by police just walking down the road?
Why insist on bringing crime into this discussion. If they ARE committing a crime they are still more likely to be killed. That, by their cause, is not right, and I agree.


"The study concluded that police officers who had not been attacked were more likely to shoot white suspects."
http://tribunist.com...
But when it comes to the most lethal form of force " police shootings " the study finds no racial bias.
http://www.nytimes.com...
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10/25/2016 7:39:34 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
Correct, but it does mean you deserve equivalent response for the protection of the officers interacting with you.
And the argument is, the officers are being trained incorrectly and overreacting. Again, I agree with that.


For those good persons who unfortunately are living in a bad area, I'm sorry, it's just the way it goes. Keep your nose clean, be smart, make goals for yourself, and get out the second you get the chance to.
Not a valid response to the issue at hand. Poor or minor criminal, neither deserve to be killed. Stealing crap from the store is not worth a death sentence, is it?

Look, I get what you're saying, but I just went home to visit my family for the first time in 10 years a couple weeks ago. Within days, not 200 feet from my hotel room door, right in front of the police station, a man was shot multiple times then stabbed multiple times. I come from these environments and had to put up with the unfortunate truths and repercussions from it for 19 years. So I get it, I really do. But I also see it from the police perspective having spent three years doing ride alongs and shadowing of officers. I can tell you, it is a necessary evil, 100%; and well deserved.
Well, I have been immersed in policing from a tech standpoint for a bit now. Interesting stuff. I would counter that with, yea, they are paranoid.



Further, there is a lot less for me as a white guy to fear in the first place, so.... Point is, the name may not work well for you, but I sure can understand why they choose it, :and I have no issue with it.

You have less to fear as a white man? Not true. Instead, you have less to fear as a law abiding, respectful, responsible, and authority respecting member of society. It has nothing to do with color, but with actions...and yes, local environment.
But you are wrong. If I am a law abiding black man, my chances are higher I will be shot. If I am a law breaking white guy, my chances are lower that I will be shot.


Sorry to be this short, but it demands this response: Prove it.
I have before. If you insist, I will dig the stats, but it will not move the argument one way or the other. Regardless, this is their (BLM) argument, and it seems that people ignore it, deflecting with crap like "black on black crime" and missing the point. That is where I started on this thread, and that is where I am intrested.


Its the root of the "cause". You can dismiss them, argue the stats, but this endless moaning over the name of the "group" is so stupid. This. THIS is what they are trying to get across. Simple enough, right?

No, BLM, as is evident by their list of demands, wants the nation to go belly up and allow black people to do whatever the heck t

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10/25/2016 7:39:45 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/25/2016 7:34:13 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/25/2016 7:30:18 PM, kevin24018 wrote:
At 10/25/2016 7:12:04 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/25/2016 6:31:25 PM, MakeSensePeopleDont wrote:
At 10/25/2016 5:21:59 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/25/2016 5:10:25 PM, MakeSensePeopleDont wrote:
At 10/25/2016 5:04:37 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/25/2016 5:00:17 PM, MakeSensePeopleDont wrote:
At 10/25/2016 4:55:08 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/25/2016 4:37:44 PM, Mikal wrote:
Any more than other lives.

I'm anti-Racism to the highest possible degree but BLM has to concede to some objective facts.

(1) Black Crime vs (Insert Race) Crime is almost 2 to 3 times higher than any race you can bring up on a Per Capita Level.

You can attribute this to oppression, response to violence, education, location, etc. Regardless of what you attribute this to, Black on Black and Black Crime, in general, is objectively higher by a huge margin compared than any other race.

" MURDER
White:4,382 = 1.77 per 100k.
Black:4,498 = 11.83 per 100k.
Blacks commit murder at a rate 6.68 times that of Whites.

RAPE
White:10,990 = 4.45 per 100k.
Black:5,428 = 1,428 per 100k.
Blacks commit rape at a rate 3.21 times that of Whites.

ROBBERY
White:41,962 = 17 per 100k.
Black:56,948 = 150 per 100k.
Blacks commit robbery at a rate 9 times that of Whites.

AGG. ASSUALT
White:208,081 = 84 per 100k.
Black:112,325 = 295 per 100k.
Blacks commit agg. assualt at a rate 3.5 times that of Whites.

BURGLARY
White:157,252 = 64 per 100k.
Black:73,960 = 195 per 100k.
Blacks commit burglary at a rate 3 times that of Whites.

LARCENY-THEFT
White:663,360 = 269 per 100k.
Black:286,844 = 755 per 100k.
Blacks commit larceny at a rate 2.8 times that of Whites.

MOTOR VEHICLE THEFT
White:44,674 =18 per 100k.
Black:28,510 = 75 per 100k.
Blacks commit motor vehicle theft at a rate 4 times that of Whites.

OVERALL VIOLENT CRIME
White:265,754 = 107 per 100k.
Black:179,636 =473 per 100k.
OVERALL BLACKS COMMIT CRIMES AT A RATE 4.4(440%) TIMES THAT OF WHITES."

(2) At its core, the BLM message is entirely right, but the direction of the movement and the leadership are horrendous

By not condemning the response to some of its supporters, it's actively engaging in bolstering the negative and violent responses that we see today. Are cops always right? Obviously no they are not, but by actively engaging in and not working in peaceful ways to fix the training and mindset of officers who shoot before they think, it encourages violence in response to an already negative attribute.

BLM leadership needs to condemn the out of hand protests, and violence in response to some of the recent shootings.

(3) Black people are a part of the problem as well


The response to black crime and Racism is a part of the problem and the most significant part of the problem, but as mentioned in (2), the response to the initial response is also a part of the problem. When you respond to primordial racism which has led to oppression with violence it reinforces a false stereotype which leads to mor racism and oppression. Be the change you want to see.

The problem I see with this is, you are juxtaposing criminal activity with the actions of the police. If there are disproportionate crime stats within the black community, that still does not excuse the police response, or their disproportionate deaths by police.

More interactions with police = more chance for bad to happen.

Increased resistance toward authority figures = increased response from authority figures.

More interactions, but for what?

Let me put it another way, one that has been forwarded many times, and seems ignored. If I had stolen cigarettes when I was 22 and a college student. Drunk, belligerent, running away, generally being an as$$hole, I would not be shot. It is really that simple. I would not have been.

My cousin and his frat brothers stole, drove around, and eventually sank a cab in the lake while at UW Madison. So... Drunk driving? Grand theft? Destruction of property? What do you think happened? She sure didn't get shot. As a matter of fact, not one night in jail.

Did either case involve aggressive resistance of arrest or actions which could have seemed dangerous or life threatening to any officers?

If not, then this is a non-sequitur.

Well, that is what they are saying. Even when there is no real resistance the chance of :death is greater.

Effect = Increased alertness and less trust
Cause = Extreme imbalance of crime, criminal activity, gang activity, violent and aggressive activity.
Right. And that does not mean you deserve to be killed more.


Further, there is a lot less for me as a white guy to fear in the first place, so.... Point is, the name may not work well for you, but I sure can understand why they choose it, :and I have no issue with it.

You have less to fear as a white man? Not true. Instead, you have less to fear as a law abiding, respectful, responsible, and authority respecting member of society. It has nothing to do with color, but with actions...and yes, local environment.
But you are wrong. If I am a law abiding black man, my chances are higher I will be shot. If I am a law breaking white guy, my chances are lower that I will be shot.

you don't have to be armed to be a threat right? The female cop hospitalized because she was afraid to shoot, prime example.
Has nothing to do with it. Armed, unarmed, black people are saying that they are more likely to be killed by police. More likely while committing a crime or not. Just plan more likely.

ah ok, but you don't believe that, right? because I certainly have not seen evidence to believe that. You are speaking on their behalf, just so I understand were you are coming from.

Its the root of the "cause". You can dismiss them, argue the stats, but this endless moaning over the name of the "group" is so stupid. This. THIS is what they are trying to get across. Simple enough, right?

the root cause is crime and non compliance, how many instances is anyone of any race shot by police just walking down the road?
Why insist on bringing crime into this discussion. If they ARE committing a crime they are still more likely to be killed. That, by their cause, is not right, and I agree.
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10/25/2016 7:53:40 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
you don't have to be armed to be a threat right? The female cop hospitalized because she was afraid to shoot, prime example.
Has nothing to do with it. Armed, unarmed, black people are saying that they are more likely to be killed by police. More likely while committing a crime or not. Just plan more likely.

ah ok, but you don't believe that, right? because I certainly have not seen evidence to believe that. You are speaking on their behalf, just so I understand were you are coming from.
Well, yea, I am speaking on their behalf. Further, yea, they are more likely to be killed by police.


Its the root of the "cause". You can dismiss them, argue the stats, but this endless moaning over the name of the "group" is so stupid. This. THIS is what they are trying to get across. Simple enough, right?
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10/25/2016 8:47:51 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
There may have at one point been a time where I would have agreed that the issue of "black-on-black" crime was the cause of nearly all uniquely black-related issues. I think that generally, though, that analysis misses an important part of the picture.

While I don't really dispute higher incidences of crime committed by, to, and among blacks in black communities, there are other factors beyond race that drive those statistics to be what they are. Basically, when information of this kind is presented in the way it is above, the inferences people can draw is that there is some causal connection between blackness and sociocultural problems of the kinds described in the statistics.

But, the part of the picture that's missing here is also the one that's most critical: economics and geography. Geography, really, more than anything else (because it has tremendous bearing on the economic aspect of certain neighborhood's and inhabiting community's health) is what isn't being talked about. Basically, there are a whole bunch of problems that reinforce one another.

I'm going to write more about this later; but race is less relevant than geography and economics.
Tsar of DDO