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10/26/2016 7:22:10 AM
Posted: 1 month ago
Or another title: Why Conservative Economics Fails

GOP Gov. Sam Brownback with a GOP Congress promised that conservative trickle down small government economics would propel Kansas to economic prosperity. To the surprise of no one the opposite has happened. It's gotten so bad that Brownback has quietly discontinued the quarterly economic reports on the status of Kansas. [http://www.salon.com...]

For those who want to learn more about policies of this foolish governor I direct you to Round 2 of a debate I had done about the subject: http://www.debate.org... the man is an ideologue driven not by a care for the people or good governance - I can only imagine the amount of kickbacks he'll get for shilling to the rich once he leaves office.

Kansas is a perfect example of why slashing taxes doesn't translate to State efficiency or prosperity for the people. It's clear the rich do not simply recirculate money that would have been otherwise taxed. It's the poor and vulnerable who suffer because the State can no longer meet its obligations. Kansas is proof trickle down economics is a failed tax plan. Do you want to know another name for trickle down economics? No, not voodoo economics as Bush Sr condemned Regan's failed tax plan which has lead us to today's extreme wealth inequality - but Horse and Sparrow economics - because the plan is if you feed a horse enough oats their will be enough for the sparrow. In other words it's horse sh!t. [http://www.newmainetimes.org...]
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10/26/2016 7:25:52 AM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/26/2016 7:22:10 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
Or another title: Why Conservative Economics Fails

GOP Gov. Sam Brownback with a GOP Congress promised that conservative trickle down small government economics would propel Kansas to economic prosperity. To the surprise of no one the opposite has happened. It's gotten so bad that Brownback has quietly discontinued the quarterly economic reports on the status of Kansas. [http://www.salon.com...]

For those who want to learn more about policies of this foolish governor I direct you to Round 2 of a debate I had done about the subject: http://www.debate.org... the man is an ideologue driven not by a care for the people or good governance - I can only imagine the amount of kickbacks he'll get for shilling to the rich once he leaves office.

Kansas is a perfect example of why slashing taxes doesn't translate to State efficiency or prosperity for the people. It's clear the rich do not simply recirculate money that would have been otherwise taxed. It's the poor and vulnerable who suffer because the State can no longer meet its obligations. Kansas is proof trickle down economics is a failed tax plan. Do you want to know another name for trickle down economics? No, not voodoo economics as Bush Sr condemned Regan's failed tax plan which has lead us to today's extreme wealth inequality - but Horse and Sparrow economics - because the plan is if you feed a horse enough oats their will be enough for the sparrow. In other words it's horse sh!t. [http://www.newmainetimes.org...]

Yeah, everyone hates Brownback.
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10/26/2016 7:29:10 AM
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At 10/26/2016 7:25:52 AM, lannan13 wrote:

Yeah, everyone hates Brownback.

People should hate the policy too and learn never to elect a person who spouts such nonsense. But given the polls for Trump v. Hillary, the people who reelected Brownback don't seem to get the message or appreciate their states' failure. [http://www.270towin.com...]
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10/26/2016 7:30:29 AM
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At 10/26/2016 7:29:10 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 10/26/2016 7:25:52 AM, lannan13 wrote:

Yeah, everyone hates Brownback.

People should hate the policy too and learn never to elect a person who spouts such nonsense. But given the polls for Trump v. Hillary, the people who reelected Brownback don't seem to get the message or appreciate their states' failure. [http://www.270towin.com...]

It's predominately the people in Western Kansas, they just vote Republican straight down the ballot. They even re-elected a Senator who voted against the farm bill in an agricultural state.
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10/26/2016 7:41:09 AM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/26/2016 7:30:29 AM, lannan13 wrote:
At 10/26/2016 7:29:10 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 10/26/2016 7:25:52 AM, lannan13 wrote:

Yeah, everyone hates Brownback.

People should hate the policy too and learn never to elect a person who spouts such nonsense. But given the polls for Trump v. Hillary, the people who reelected Brownback don't seem to get the message or appreciate their states' failure. [http://www.270towin.com...]

It's predominately the people in Western Kansas, they just vote Republican straight down the ballot. They even re-elected a Senator who voted against the farm bill in an agricultural state.

Do they blame Democrats for the failure of Kansas or do they have a semblance of self awareness obscured by tradition and pride?
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10/26/2016 7:54:34 AM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/26/2016 7:41:09 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 10/26/2016 7:30:29 AM, lannan13 wrote:
At 10/26/2016 7:29:10 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 10/26/2016 7:25:52 AM, lannan13 wrote:

Yeah, everyone hates Brownback.

People should hate the policy too and learn never to elect a person who spouts such nonsense. But given the polls for Trump v. Hillary, the people who reelected Brownback don't seem to get the message or appreciate their states' failure. [http://www.270towin.com...]

It's predominately the people in Western Kansas, they just vote Republican straight down the ballot. They even re-elected a Senator who voted against the farm bill in an agricultural state.

Do they blame Democrats for the failure of Kansas or do they have a semblance of self awareness obscured by tradition and pride?

Well, the Dems aren't that good either. Anyone could have beat Brownback this last election, but Davis pratically just ran on "I'm not Brownback" and nothing else. If he would have given more, he would have won. The Democrats in Kansas are just incompatent to get anything going, so the state has been stuck in the right. In Western Kansas, you have the farmers and gun owners who still believe in the "UN Black Hawk Helicopter" conspiracy. There's even a homeless guy in Salina, KS, that just goes to the top of a bridge and holds up a big "Impeach Obama" sign and does this all day. There is one Leftist hotspot in Kansas and that's Lawrence which is jokingly called the "Democratic People's Republic of Lawrence" by many political pundints. Of course, no one is as crazy as Pitcher-Cook. She's a women who tried to pass a bill to have women report miscarriages to the state to make sure they are "Legitament" and was the only Representative who voted against any and all attempts to fund the schools, even after the SCOK ruled they would have to shut down schools if Kansas didn't increase funding.
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10/26/2016 8:17:54 AM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/26/2016 7:54:34 AM, lannan13 wrote:
At 10/26/2016 7:41:09 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 10/26/2016 7:30:29 AM, lannan13 wrote:
At 10/26/2016 7:29:10 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 10/26/2016 7:25:52 AM, lannan13 wrote:

Yeah, everyone hates Brownback.

People should hate the policy too and learn never to elect a person who spouts such nonsense. But given the polls for Trump v. Hillary, the people who reelected Brownback don't seem to get the message or appreciate their states' failure. [http://www.270towin.com...]

It's predominately the people in Western Kansas, they just vote Republican straight down the ballot. They even re-elected a Senator who voted against the farm bill in an agricultural state.

Do they blame Democrats for the failure of Kansas or do they have a semblance of self awareness obscured by tradition and pride?

Well, the Dems aren't that good either. Anyone could have beat Brownback this last election, but Davis pratically just ran on "I'm not Brownback" and nothing else. If he would have given more, he would have won. The Democrats in Kansas are just incompatent to get anything going, so the state has been stuck in the right.

What could Dems say without triggering reactionary responses against big government? The GOP causes the economic problems by slashing taxes then make the people fear raising taxes will add to the hardship.

In Western Kansas, you have the farmers and gun owners who still believe in the "UN Black Hawk Helicopter" conspiracy. There's even a homeless guy in Salina, KS, that just goes to the top of a bridge and holds up a big "Impeach Obama" sign and does this all day.

That's sad, it doesn't seem like Dems can do anything to reach those types. They don't even want to be reached. Pride in squalor I suppose.

There is one Leftist hotspot in Kansas and that's Lawrence which is jokingly called the "Democratic People's Republic of Lawrence" by many political pundints. Of course, no one is as crazy as Pitcher-Cook. She's a women who tried to pass a bill to have women report miscarriages to the state to make sure they are "Legitament" and was the only Representative who voted against any and all attempts to fund the schools, even after the SCOK ruled they would have to shut down schools if Kansas didn't increase funding.

You mean Pilcher-Cook? Jesus what a nutter-butter. I hope her opponent defeats her this election cycle.
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10/26/2016 11:48:37 AM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/26/2016 7:22:10 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
Or another title: Why Conservative Economics Fails

GOP Gov. Sam Brownback with a GOP Congress promised that conservative trickle down small government economics would propel Kansas to economic prosperity. To the surprise of no one the opposite has happened. It's gotten so bad that Brownback has quietly discontinued the quarterly economic reports on the status of Kansas. [http://www.salon.com...]

For those who want to learn more about policies of this foolish governor I direct you to Round 2 of a debate I had done about the subject: http://www.debate.org... the man is an ideologue driven not by a care for the people or good governance - I can only imagine the amount of kickbacks he'll get for shilling to the rich once he leaves office.

Kansas is a perfect example of why slashing taxes doesn't translate to State efficiency or prosperity for the people. It's clear the rich do not simply recirculate money that would have been otherwise taxed. It's the poor and vulnerable who suffer because the State can no longer meet its obligations. Kansas is proof trickle down economics is a failed tax plan. Do you want to know another name for trickle down economics? No, not voodoo economics as Bush Sr condemned Regan's failed tax plan which has lead us to today's extreme wealth inequality - but Horse and Sparrow economics - because the plan is if you feed a horse enough oats their will be enough for the sparrow. In other words it's horse sh!t. [http://www.newmainetimes.org...]

From the second round of your debate: "...the rich are taxed at a lower rate and taxes were actually raised for lower income families."
That's not conservative economics. The majority of Republicans (and pretty much all libertarians) support lower taxes for every level of income. Of course "trickle-down" economics doesn't work when it involves taking money from the poor.
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10/26/2016 12:14:42 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/26/2016 11:48:37 AM, Bob13 wrote:
At 10/26/2016 7:22:10 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
Or another title: Why Conservative Economics Fails

GOP Gov. Sam Brownback with a GOP Congress promised that conservative trickle down small government economics would propel Kansas to economic prosperity. To the surprise of no one the opposite has happened. It's gotten so bad that Brownback has quietly discontinued the quarterly economic reports on the status of Kansas. [http://www.salon.com...]

For those who want to learn more about policies of this foolish governor I direct you to Round 2 of a debate I had done about the subject: http://www.debate.org... the man is an ideologue driven not by a care for the people or good governance - I can only imagine the amount of kickbacks he'll get for shilling to the rich once he leaves office.

Kansas is a perfect example of why slashing taxes doesn't translate to State efficiency or prosperity for the people. It's clear the rich do not simply recirculate money that would have been otherwise taxed. It's the poor and vulnerable who suffer because the State can no longer meet its obligations. Kansas is proof trickle down economics is a failed tax plan. Do you want to know another name for trickle down economics? No, not voodoo economics as Bush Sr condemned Regan's failed tax plan which has lead us to today's extreme wealth inequality - but Horse and Sparrow economics - because the plan is if you feed a horse enough oats their will be enough for the sparrow. In other words it's horse sh!t. [http://www.newmainetimes.org...]

From the second round of your debate: "...the rich are taxed at a lower rate and taxes were actually raised for lower income families."
That's not conservative economics. The majority of Republicans (and pretty much all libertarians) support lower taxes for every level of income. Of course "trickle-down" economics doesn't work when it involves taking money from the poor.

Buy I bet you still believe it will work, if only implemented in some perfect form, right?
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10/26/2016 1:42:16 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/26/2016 8:17:54 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 10/26/2016 7:54:34 AM, lannan13 wrote:
At 10/26/2016 7:41:09 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 10/26/2016 7:30:29 AM, lannan13 wrote:
At 10/26/2016 7:29:10 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 10/26/2016 7:25:52 AM, lannan13 wrote:

Yeah, everyone hates Brownback.

People should hate the policy too and learn never to elect a person who spouts such nonsense. But given the polls for Trump v. Hillary, the people who reelected Brownback don't seem to get the message or appreciate their states' failure. [http://www.270towin.com...]

It's predominately the people in Western Kansas, they just vote Republican straight down the ballot. They even re-elected a Senator who voted against the farm bill in an agricultural state.

Do they blame Democrats for the failure of Kansas or do they have a semblance of self awareness obscured by tradition and pride?

Well, the Dems aren't that good either. Anyone could have beat Brownback this last election, but Davis pratically just ran on "I'm not Brownback" and nothing else. If he would have given more, he would have won. The Democrats in Kansas are just incompatent to get anything going, so the state has been stuck in the right.

What could Dems say without triggering reactionary responses against big government? The GOP causes the economic problems by slashing taxes then make the people fear raising taxes will add to the hardship.

You know it's bad when buisnesses are asking the government to raise their taxes, that's how bad it's getting. Without Western Kansas, it will never be a blue state. You won't believe how much of a Bernie rush there was during the primaries. I was actually contacted by several people and there were people willing to give me a ride to the polling station. There's a strong support for change, but the Ultra-conservatives won't allow it.


In Western Kansas, you have the farmers and gun owners who still believe in the "UN Black Hawk Helicopter" conspiracy. There's even a homeless guy in Salina, KS, that just goes to the top of a bridge and holds up a big "Impeach Obama" sign and does this all day.

That's sad, it doesn't seem like Dems can do anything to reach those types. They don't even want to be reached. Pride in squalor I suppose.

Ditto

There is one Leftist hotspot in Kansas and that's Lawrence which is jokingly called the "Democratic People's Republic of Lawrence" by many political pundints. Of course, no one is as crazy as Pitcher-Cook. She's a women who tried to pass a bill to have women report miscarriages to the state to make sure they are "Legitament" and was the only Representative who voted against any and all attempts to fund the schools, even after the SCOK ruled they would have to shut down schools if Kansas didn't increase funding.

You mean Pilcher-Cook? Jesus what a nutter-butter. I hope her opponent defeats her this election cycle.

The really sad thing is that she'll probably win.
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10/26/2016 1:44:30 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/26/2016 11:48:37 AM, Bob13 wrote:
At 10/26/2016 7:22:10 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
Or another title: Why Conservative Economics Fails

GOP Gov. Sam Brownback with a GOP Congress promised that conservative trickle down small government economics would propel Kansas to economic prosperity. To the surprise of no one the opposite has happened. It's gotten so bad that Brownback has quietly discontinued the quarterly economic reports on the status of Kansas. [http://www.salon.com...]

For those who want to learn more about policies of this foolish governor I direct you to Round 2 of a debate I had done about the subject: http://www.debate.org... the man is an ideologue driven not by a care for the people or good governance - I can only imagine the amount of kickbacks he'll get for shilling to the rich once he leaves office.

Kansas is a perfect example of why slashing taxes doesn't translate to State efficiency or prosperity for the people. It's clear the rich do not simply recirculate money that would have been otherwise taxed. It's the poor and vulnerable who suffer because the State can no longer meet its obligations. Kansas is proof trickle down economics is a failed tax plan. Do you want to know another name for trickle down economics? No, not voodoo economics as Bush Sr condemned Regan's failed tax plan which has lead us to today's extreme wealth inequality - but Horse and Sparrow economics - because the plan is if you feed a horse enough oats their will be enough for the sparrow. In other words it's horse sh!t. [http://www.newmainetimes.org...]

From the second round of your debate: "...the rich are taxed at a lower rate and taxes were actually raised for lower income families."
That's not conservative economics. The majority of Republicans (and pretty much all libertarians) support lower taxes for every level of income. Of course "trickle-down" economics doesn't work when it involves taking money from the poor.

Well they actually implamented a Flat tax system. They raised the middle class to a level that was compramisable with the Dems. You are thinking of a Regressive tax, but either way, this is still Reaganomics.
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10/26/2016 1:45:33 PM
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At 10/26/2016 12:14:42 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/26/2016 11:48:37 AM, Bob13 wrote:
At 10/26/2016 7:22:10 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
Or another title: Why Conservative Economics Fails

GOP Gov. Sam Brownback with a GOP Congress promised that conservative trickle down small government economics would propel Kansas to economic prosperity. To the surprise of no one the opposite has happened. It's gotten so bad that Brownback has quietly discontinued the quarterly economic reports on the status of Kansas. [http://www.salon.com...]

For those who want to learn more about policies of this foolish governor I direct you to Round 2 of a debate I had done about the subject: http://www.debate.org... the man is an ideologue driven not by a care for the people or good governance - I can only imagine the amount of kickbacks he'll get for shilling to the rich once he leaves office.

Kansas is a perfect example of why slashing taxes doesn't translate to State efficiency or prosperity for the people. It's clear the rich do not simply recirculate money that would have been otherwise taxed. It's the poor and vulnerable who suffer because the State can no longer meet its obligations. Kansas is proof trickle down economics is a failed tax plan. Do you want to know another name for trickle down economics? No, not voodoo economics as Bush Sr condemned Regan's failed tax plan which has lead us to today's extreme wealth inequality - but Horse and Sparrow economics - because the plan is if you feed a horse enough oats their will be enough for the sparrow. In other words it's horse sh!t. [http://www.newmainetimes.org...]

From the second round of your debate: "...the rich are taxed at a lower rate and taxes were actually raised for lower income families."
That's not conservative economics. The majority of Republicans (and pretty much all libertarians) support lower taxes for every level of income. Of course "trickle-down" economics doesn't work when it involves taking money from the poor.

Buy I bet you still believe it will work, if only implemented in some perfect form, right?

Communism is like Libertarianism, they are both utopic and would be great places to live if everything was perfect, but the problem is they are both highly unrealistic and ignore many human factors.
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10/26/2016 1:48:16 PM
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"Brownback with a GOP Congress promised that conservative trickle down small government economics would propel Kansas to economic prosperity. To the surprise of no one the opposite has happened"
The concept of trickle down economics, is derived from the idea that economists actually understand how the economy works. They don't .
We are not a communist country. The government is not in charge of the economy, its not their job.
Politicians like to claim they can fix the economy, this is just a story they tell us to get people to vote for them.
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10/26/2016 1:49:44 PM
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At 10/26/2016 7:22:10 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
Or another title: Why Conservative Economics Fails

GOP Gov. Sam Brownback with a GOP Congress promised that conservative trickle down small government economics would propel Kansas to economic prosperity. To the surprise of no one the opposite has happened. It's gotten so bad that Brownback has quietly discontinued the quarterly economic reports on the status of Kansas. [http://www.salon.com...]

For those who want to learn more about policies of this foolish governor I direct you to Round 2 of a debate I had done about the subject: http://www.debate.org... the man is an ideologue driven not by a care for the people or good governance - I can only imagine the amount of kickbacks he'll get for shilling to the rich once he leaves office.

Kansas is a perfect example of why slashing taxes doesn't translate to State efficiency or prosperity for the people. It's clear the rich do not simply recirculate money that would have been otherwise taxed. It's the poor and vulnerable who suffer because the State can no longer meet its obligations. Kansas is proof trickle down economics is a failed tax plan. Do you want to know another name for trickle down economics? No, not voodoo economics as Bush Sr condemned Regan's failed tax plan which has lead us to today's extreme wealth inequality - but Horse and Sparrow economics - because the plan is if you feed a horse enough oats their will be enough for the sparrow. In other words it's horse sh!t. [http://www.newmainetimes.org...]
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10/26/2016 1:52:28 PM
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At 10/26/2016 1:45:33 PM, lannan13 wrote:
At 10/26/2016 12:14:42 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/26/2016 11:48:37 AM, Bob13 wrote:
At 10/26/2016 7:22:10 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
Or another title: Why Conservative Economics Fails

GOP Gov. Sam Brownback with a GOP Congress promised that conservative trickle down small government economics would propel Kansas to economic prosperity. To the surprise of no one the opposite has happened. It's gotten so bad that Brownback has quietly discontinued the quarterly economic reports on the status of Kansas. [http://www.salon.com...]

For those who want to learn more about policies of this foolish governor I direct you to Round 2 of a debate I had done about the subject: http://www.debate.org... the man is an ideologue driven not by a care for the people or good governance - I can only imagine the amount of kickbacks he'll get for shilling to the rich once he leaves office.

Kansas is a perfect example of why slashing taxes doesn't translate to State efficiency or prosperity for the people. It's clear the rich do not simply recirculate money that would have been otherwise taxed. It's the poor and vulnerable who suffer because the State can no longer meet its obligations. Kansas is proof trickle down economics is a failed tax plan. Do you want to know another name for trickle down economics? No, not voodoo economics as Bush Sr condemned Regan's failed tax plan which has lead us to today's extreme wealth inequality - but Horse and Sparrow economics - because the plan is if you feed a horse enough oats their will be enough for the sparrow. In other words it's horse sh!t. [http://www.newmainetimes.org...]

From the second round of your debate: "...the rich are taxed at a lower rate and taxes were actually raised for lower income families."
That's not conservative economics. The majority of Republicans (and pretty much all libertarians) support lower taxes for every level of income. Of course "trickle-down" economics doesn't work when it involves taking money from the poor.

Buy I bet you still believe it will work, if only implemented in some perfect form, right?

Communism is like Libertarianism, they are both utopic and would be great places to live if everything was perfect, but the problem is they are both highly unrealistic and ignore many human factors.

I agree, and is a bit of where I was going.

Under perfect conditions trickle down still has little chance of being the plan that supporters envision, but regardless it has been shown to fail over and over yet they still insist that it will. Give up on it, and try something new.
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10/26/2016 2:15:30 PM
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At 10/26/2016 1:52:28 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/26/2016 1:45:33 PM, lannan13 wrote:
At 10/26/2016 12:14:42 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/26/2016 11:48:37 AM, Bob13 wrote:
At 10/26/2016 7:22:10 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
Or another title: Why Conservative Economics Fails

GOP Gov. Sam Brownback with a GOP Congress promised that conservative trickle down small government economics would propel Kansas to economic prosperity. To the surprise of no one the opposite has happened. It's gotten so bad that Brownback has quietly discontinued the quarterly economic reports on the status of Kansas. [http://www.salon.com...]

For those who want to learn more about policies of this foolish governor I direct you to Round 2 of a debate I had done about the subject: http://www.debate.org... the man is an ideologue driven not by a care for the people or good governance - I can only imagine the amount of kickbacks he'll get for shilling to the rich once he leaves office.

Kansas is a perfect example of why slashing taxes doesn't translate to State efficiency or prosperity for the people. It's clear the rich do not simply recirculate money that would have been otherwise taxed. It's the poor and vulnerable who suffer because the State can no longer meet its obligations. Kansas is proof trickle down economics is a failed tax plan. Do you want to know another name for trickle down economics? No, not voodoo economics as Bush Sr condemned Regan's failed tax plan which has lead us to today's extreme wealth inequality - but Horse and Sparrow economics - because the plan is if you feed a horse enough oats their will be enough for the sparrow. In other words it's horse sh!t. [http://www.newmainetimes.org...]

From the second round of your debate: "...the rich are taxed at a lower rate and taxes were actually raised for lower income families."
That's not conservative economics. The majority of Republicans (and pretty much all libertarians) support lower taxes for every level of income. Of course "trickle-down" economics doesn't work when it involves taking money from the poor.

Buy I bet you still believe it will work, if only implemented in some perfect form, right?

Communism is like Libertarianism, they are both utopic and would be great places to live if everything was perfect, but the problem is they are both highly unrealistic and ignore many human factors.

I agree, and is a bit of where I was going.

Under perfect conditions trickle down still has little chance of being the plan that supporters envision, but regardless it has been shown to fail over and over yet they still insist that it will. Give up on it, and try something new.

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10/26/2016 2:38:56 PM
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It's clear that a well-educated worker base is very important for a functional modern economy, as is sufficient infrastructure. These two things must be provided for. They can strip all funding for food stamps and other entitlement programs and be okay as long as they've got education and infrastructure.
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10/26/2016 2:40:30 PM
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At 10/26/2016 1:45:33 PM, lannan13 wrote:
At 10/26/2016 12:14:42 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/26/2016 11:48:37 AM, Bob13 wrote:
At 10/26/2016 7:22:10 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
Or another title: Why Conservative Economics Fails

GOP Gov. Sam Brownback with a GOP Congress promised that conservative trickle down small government economics would propel Kansas to economic prosperity. To the surprise of no one the opposite has happened. It's gotten so bad that Brownback has quietly discontinued the quarterly economic reports on the status of Kansas. [http://www.salon.com...]

For those who want to learn more about policies of this foolish governor I direct you to Round 2 of a debate I had done about the subject: http://www.debate.org... the man is an ideologue driven not by a care for the people or good governance - I can only imagine the amount of kickbacks he'll get for shilling to the rich once he leaves office.

Kansas is a perfect example of why slashing taxes doesn't translate to State efficiency or prosperity for the people. It's clear the rich do not simply recirculate money that would have been otherwise taxed. It's the poor and vulnerable who suffer because the State can no longer meet its obligations. Kansas is proof trickle down economics is a failed tax plan. Do you want to know another name for trickle down economics? No, not voodoo economics as Bush Sr condemned Regan's failed tax plan which has lead us to today's extreme wealth inequality - but Horse and Sparrow economics - because the plan is if you feed a horse enough oats their will be enough for the sparrow. In other words it's horse sh!t. [http://www.newmainetimes.org...]

From the second round of your debate: "...the rich are taxed at a lower rate and taxes were actually raised for lower income families."
That's not conservative economics. The majority of Republicans (and pretty much all libertarians) support lower taxes for every level of income. Of course "trickle-down" economics doesn't work when it involves taking money from the poor.

Buy I bet you still believe it will work, if only implemented in some perfect form, right?

Communism is like Libertarianism, they are both utopic and would be great places to live if everything was perfect, but the problem is they are both highly unrealistic and ignore many human factors.

Didn't you vote for Gary Johnson?
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10/26/2016 3:10:53 PM
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At 10/26/2016 2:42:02 PM, YYW wrote:
Is Brownbeck up for reelection this November?

Nope. Know what? I bet he does OK when he runs again. Like the question "whats wrong with Kansas?"
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10/26/2016 3:31:56 PM
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At 10/26/2016 2:40:30 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 10/26/2016 1:45:33 PM, lannan13 wrote:
At 10/26/2016 12:14:42 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/26/2016 11:48:37 AM, Bob13 wrote:
At 10/26/2016 7:22:10 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
Or another title: Why Conservative Economics Fails

GOP Gov. Sam Brownback with a GOP Congress promised that conservative trickle down small government economics would propel Kansas to economic prosperity. To the surprise of no one the opposite has happened. It's gotten so bad that Brownback has quietly discontinued the quarterly economic reports on the status of Kansas. [http://www.salon.com...]

For those who want to learn more about policies of this foolish governor I direct you to Round 2 of a debate I had done about the subject: http://www.debate.org... the man is an ideologue driven not by a care for the people or good governance - I can only imagine the amount of kickbacks he'll get for shilling to the rich once he leaves office.

Kansas is a perfect example of why slashing taxes doesn't translate to State efficiency or prosperity for the people. It's clear the rich do not simply recirculate money that would have been otherwise taxed. It's the poor and vulnerable who suffer because the State can no longer meet its obligations. Kansas is proof trickle down economics is a failed tax plan. Do you want to know another name for trickle down economics? No, not voodoo economics as Bush Sr condemned Regan's failed tax plan which has lead us to today's extreme wealth inequality - but Horse and Sparrow economics - because the plan is if you feed a horse enough oats their will be enough for the sparrow. In other words it's horse sh!t. [http://www.newmainetimes.org...]

From the second round of your debate: "...the rich are taxed at a lower rate and taxes were actually raised for lower income families."
That's not conservative economics. The majority of Republicans (and pretty much all libertarians) support lower taxes for every level of income. Of course "trickle-down" economics doesn't work when it involves taking money from the poor.

Buy I bet you still believe it will work, if only implemented in some perfect form, right?

Communism is like Libertarianism, they are both utopic and would be great places to live if everything was perfect, but the problem is they are both highly unrealistic and ignore many human factors.

Didn't you vote for Gary Johnson?

Si
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10/26/2016 3:36:33 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/26/2016 3:31:56 PM, lannan13 wrote:
At 10/26/2016 2:40:30 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 10/26/2016 1:45:33 PM, lannan13 wrote:
At 10/26/2016 12:14:42 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/26/2016 11:48:37 AM, Bob13 wrote:
At 10/26/2016 7:22:10 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
Or another title: Why Conservative Economics Fails

GOP Gov. Sam Brownback with a GOP Congress promised that conservative trickle down small government economics would propel Kansas to economic prosperity. To the surprise of no one the opposite has happened. It's gotten so bad that Brownback has quietly discontinued the quarterly economic reports on the status of Kansas. [http://www.salon.com...]

For those who want to learn more about policies of this foolish governor I direct you to Round 2 of a debate I had done about the subject: http://www.debate.org... the man is an ideologue driven not by a care for the people or good governance - I can only imagine the amount of kickbacks he'll get for shilling to the rich once he leaves office.

Kansas is a perfect example of why slashing taxes doesn't translate to State efficiency or prosperity for the people. It's clear the rich do not simply recirculate money that would have been otherwise taxed. It's the poor and vulnerable who suffer because the State can no longer meet its obligations. Kansas is proof trickle down economics is a failed tax plan. Do you want to know another name for trickle down economics? No, not voodoo economics as Bush Sr condemned Regan's failed tax plan which has lead us to today's extreme wealth inequality - but Horse and Sparrow economics - because the plan is if you feed a horse enough oats their will be enough for the sparrow. In other words it's horse sh!t. [http://www.newmainetimes.org...]

From the second round of your debate: "...the rich are taxed at a lower rate and taxes were actually raised for lower income families."
That's not conservative economics. The majority of Republicans (and pretty much all libertarians) support lower taxes for every level of income. Of course "trickle-down" economics doesn't work when it involves taking money from the poor.

Buy I bet you still believe it will work, if only implemented in some perfect form, right?

Communism is like Libertarianism, they are both utopic and would be great places to live if everything was perfect, but the problem is they are both highly unrealistic and ignore many human factors.

Didn't you vote for Gary Johnson?

Si

This is your first POTUS vote, right?
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10/26/2016 3:39:36 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/26/2016 3:36:33 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/26/2016 3:31:56 PM, lannan13 wrote:
At 10/26/2016 2:40:30 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 10/26/2016 1:45:33 PM, lannan13 wrote:
At 10/26/2016 12:14:42 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/26/2016 11:48:37 AM, Bob13 wrote:
At 10/26/2016 7:22:10 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
Or another title: Why Conservative Economics Fails

GOP Gov. Sam Brownback with a GOP Congress promised that conservative trickle down small government economics would propel Kansas to economic prosperity. To the surprise of no one the opposite has happened. It's gotten so bad that Brownback has quietly discontinued the quarterly economic reports on the status of Kansas. [http://www.salon.com...]

For those who want to learn more about policies of this foolish governor I direct you to Round 2 of a debate I had done about the subject: http://www.debate.org... the man is an ideologue driven not by a care for the people or good governance - I can only imagine the amount of kickbacks he'll get for shilling to the rich once he leaves office.

Kansas is a perfect example of why slashing taxes doesn't translate to State efficiency or prosperity for the people. It's clear the rich do not simply recirculate money that would have been otherwise taxed. It's the poor and vulnerable who suffer because the State can no longer meet its obligations. Kansas is proof trickle down economics is a failed tax plan. Do you want to know another name for trickle down economics? No, not voodoo economics as Bush Sr condemned Regan's failed tax plan which has lead us to today's extreme wealth inequality - but Horse and Sparrow economics - because the plan is if you feed a horse enough oats their will be enough for the sparrow. In other words it's horse sh!t. [http://www.newmainetimes.org...]

From the second round of your debate: "...the rich are taxed at a lower rate and taxes were actually raised for lower income families."
That's not conservative economics. The majority of Republicans (and pretty much all libertarians) support lower taxes for every level of income. Of course "trickle-down" economics doesn't work when it involves taking money from the poor.

Buy I bet you still believe it will work, if only implemented in some perfect form, right?

Communism is like Libertarianism, they are both utopic and would be great places to live if everything was perfect, but the problem is they are both highly unrealistic and ignore many human factors.

Didn't you vote for Gary Johnson?

Si

This is your first POTUS vote, right?

Yeah, I voted in the last Midterms though.
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10/26/2016 4:10:18 PM
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At 10/26/2016 1:48:16 PM, xus00HAY wrote:
"Brownback with a GOP Congress promised that conservative trickle down small government economics would propel Kansas to economic prosperity. To the surprise of no one the opposite has happened"
The concept of trickle down economics, is derived from the idea that economists actually understand how the economy works. They don't .
We are not a communist country. The government is not in charge of the economy, its not their job.
Politicians like to claim they can fix the economy, this is just a story they tell us to get people to vote for them.

You do understand that their approach was hands off and lowering taxes right? This proves that the government does have a role to play in economics.
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10/26/2016 4:10:50 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/26/2016 3:39:36 PM, lannan13 wrote:
At 10/26/2016 3:36:33 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/26/2016 3:31:56 PM, lannan13 wrote:
At 10/26/2016 2:40:30 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 10/26/2016 1:45:33 PM, lannan13 wrote:
At 10/26/2016 12:14:42 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/26/2016 11:48:37 AM, Bob13 wrote:
At 10/26/2016 7:22:10 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
Or another title: Why Conservative Economics Fails

GOP Gov. Sam Brownback with a GOP Congress promised that conservative trickle down small government economics would propel Kansas to economic prosperity. To the surprise of no one the opposite has happened. It's gotten so bad that Brownback has quietly discontinued the quarterly economic reports on the status of Kansas. [http://www.salon.com...]

For those who want to learn more about policies of this foolish governor I direct you to Round 2 of a debate I had done about the subject: http://www.debate.org... the man is an ideologue driven not by a care for the people or good governance - I can only imagine the amount of kickbacks he'll get for shilling to the rich once he leaves office.

Kansas is a perfect example of why slashing taxes doesn't translate to State efficiency or prosperity for the people. It's clear the rich do not simply recirculate money that would have been otherwise taxed. It's the poor and vulnerable who suffer because the State can no longer meet its obligations. Kansas is proof trickle down economics is a failed tax plan. Do you want to know another name for trickle down economics? No, not voodoo economics as Bush Sr condemned Regan's failed tax plan which has lead us to today's extreme wealth inequality - but Horse and Sparrow economics - because the plan is if you feed a horse enough oats their will be enough for the sparrow. In other words it's horse sh!t. [http://www.newmainetimes.org...]

From the second round of your debate: "...the rich are taxed at a lower rate and taxes were actually raised for lower income families."
That's not conservative economics. The majority of Republicans (and pretty much all libertarians) support lower taxes for every level of income. Of course "trickle-down" economics doesn't work when it involves taking money from the poor.

Buy I bet you still believe it will work, if only implemented in some perfect form, right?

Communism is like Libertarianism, they are both utopic and would be great places to live if everything was perfect, but the problem is they are both highly unrealistic and ignore many human factors.

Didn't you vote for Gary Johnson?

Si

This is your first POTUS vote, right?

Yeah, I voted in the last Midterms though.

People will rightly get all "the REAL elections happen at the state and local level" blah blah blah. Point is, voting for POTUS is special. Its about the entire system, not just my personal neck of the woods.
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10/26/2016 4:13:58 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/26/2016 3:31:56 PM, lannan13 wrote:
At 10/26/2016 2:40:30 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 10/26/2016 1:45:33 PM, lannan13 wrote:

Communism is like Libertarianism, they are both utopic and would be great places to live if everything was perfect, but the problem is they are both highly unrealistic and ignore many human factors.

Didn't you vote for Gary Johnson?

Si

But Johnson is a libertarian.
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10/26/2016 4:14:58 PM
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At 10/26/2016 2:42:02 PM, YYW wrote:
Is Brownbeck up for reelection this November?

No, I think that'll be in 2018.
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10/26/2016 5:33:09 PM
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At 10/26/2016 4:10:50 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/26/2016 3:39:36 PM, lannan13 wrote:
At 10/26/2016 3:36:33 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/26/2016 3:31:56 PM, lannan13 wrote:
At 10/26/2016 2:40:30 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 10/26/2016 1:45:33 PM, lannan13 wrote:
At 10/26/2016 12:14:42 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/26/2016 11:48:37 AM, Bob13 wrote:
At 10/26/2016 7:22:10 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
Or another title: Why Conservative Economics Fails

GOP Gov. Sam Brownback with a GOP Congress promised that conservative trickle down small government economics would propel Kansas to economic prosperity. To the surprise of no one the opposite has happened. It's gotten so bad that Brownback has quietly discontinued the quarterly economic reports on the status of Kansas. [http://www.salon.com...]

For those who want to learn more about policies of this foolish governor I direct you to Round 2 of a debate I had done about the subject: http://www.debate.org... the man is an ideologue driven not by a care for the people or good governance - I can only imagine the amount of kickbacks he'll get for shilling to the rich once he leaves office.

Kansas is a perfect example of why slashing taxes doesn't translate to State efficiency or prosperity for the people. It's clear the rich do not simply recirculate money that would have been otherwise taxed. It's the poor and vulnerable who suffer because the State can no longer meet its obligations. Kansas is proof trickle down economics is a failed tax plan. Do you want to know another name for trickle down economics? No, not voodoo economics as Bush Sr condemned Regan's failed tax plan which has lead us to today's extreme wealth inequality - but Horse and Sparrow economics - because the plan is if you feed a horse enough oats their will be enough for the sparrow. In other words it's horse sh!t. [http://www.newmainetimes.org...]

From the second round of your debate: "...the rich are taxed at a lower rate and taxes were actually raised for lower income families."
That's not conservative economics. The majority of Republicans (and pretty much all libertarians) support lower taxes for every level of income. Of course "trickle-down" economics doesn't work when it involves taking money from the poor.

Buy I bet you still believe it will work, if only implemented in some perfect form, right?

Communism is like Libertarianism, they are both utopic and would be great places to live if everything was perfect, but the problem is they are both highly unrealistic and ignore many human factors.

Didn't you vote for Gary Johnson?

Si

This is your first POTUS vote, right?

Yeah, I voted in the last Midterms though.

People will rightly get all "the REAL elections happen at the state and local level" blah blah blah. Point is, voting for POTUS is special. Its about the entire system, not just my personal neck of the woods.

Yep, I generally believe that it is our civic duty to participate in our country's internal political process.
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10/26/2016 5:33:29 PM
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At 10/26/2016 4:13:58 PM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 10/26/2016 3:31:56 PM, lannan13 wrote:
At 10/26/2016 2:40:30 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 10/26/2016 1:45:33 PM, lannan13 wrote:

Communism is like Libertarianism, they are both utopic and would be great places to live if everything was perfect, but the problem is they are both highly unrealistic and ignore many human factors.

Didn't you vote for Gary Johnson?

Si

But Johnson is a libertarian.

I know that.
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10/26/2016 6:10:18 PM
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At 10/26/2016 3:10:53 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/26/2016 2:42:02 PM, YYW wrote:
Is Brownbeck up for reelection this November?

Nope. Know what? I bet he does OK when he runs again. Like the question "whats wrong with Kansas?"

lol fair enough
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