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Quadrunner
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10/30/2016 2:13:21 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
In a freak chain of events, Trump Mysteriously disappears and Hillary Clinton is struck down by God. Turns out the public had largely given up on third party, and your name was chosen randomly through write in votes. Congrats Mr(s) President.

What would you do to balance the federal budget?
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10/30/2016 3:00:08 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/30/2016 2:13:21 PM, Quadrunner wrote:
In a freak chain of events, Trump Mysteriously disappears and Hillary Clinton is struck down by God. Turns out the public had largely given up on third party, and your name was chosen randomly through write in votes. Congrats Mr(s) President.

What would you do to balance the federal budget?

1) Increase taxes on the wealthy, especially money earned through capital gains and dividends.

2) Consider another stimulus package, to restore the economy to full employment, and so the economy is not damaged by the long term affects of unemployment. Many experts agree that the stimulus package was too small.

3) Invest in education,technology, ect, so the USA will be a place for emerging industries.

4) Inflate a small amount of the debt away.

5) Reduce military expenditure.

6) I'm not sure what to do about social security yet.
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10/30/2016 4:10:27 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/30/2016 2:13:21 PM, Quadrunner wrote:
In a freak chain of events, Trump Mysteriously disappears and Hillary Clinton is struck down by God. Turns out the public had largely given up on third party, and your name was chosen randomly through write in votes. Congrats Mr(s) President.

What would you do to balance the federal budget?

1) Cut budgets for all nonessential federal agencies and tax payer funded independent groups in half. The exception would be labor budgets which would only decrease 10% with option for annual review; this to offset the overtime payment abuses.

2) Start eliminating excessive and unnecessary entitlements as well as putting time caps on a person's ability to collect in order to encourage everyone to look for jobs and vastly decrease lifetime payouts per person.

This is a VERY solid start.
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10/30/2016 5:19:23 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
Kill social security, and nothing else would have to be done.
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10/30/2016 7:28:30 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/30/2016 2:13:21 PM, Quadrunner wrote:
In a freak chain of events, Trump Mysteriously disappears and Hillary Clinton is struck down by God. Turns out the public had largely given up on third party, and your name was chosen randomly through write in votes. Congrats Mr(s) President.

What would you do to balance the federal budget?

Print more money. Worked great for the Weimar Republic.
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10/30/2016 11:39:12 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/30/2016 5:19:23 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
Kill social security, and nothing else would have to be done.

You do realize that Social Security is a trust fund which is run on a COMPLETELY different budgeting report which denies use of funds for ANY reason other than the intended...right?
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10/31/2016 12:29:55 AM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/30/2016 3:00:08 PM, twocupcakes wrote:
At 10/30/2016 2:13:21 PM, Quadrunner wrote:
In a freak chain of events, Trump Mysteriously disappears and Hillary Clinton is struck down by God. Turns out the public had largely given up on third party, and your name was chosen randomly through write in votes. Congrats Mr(s) President.

What would you do to balance the federal budget?

1) Increase taxes on the wealthy, especially money earned through capital gains and dividends.

2) Consider another stimulus package, to restore the economy to full employment, and so the economy is not damaged by the long term affects of unemployment. Many experts agree that the stimulus package was too small.

3) Invest in education,technology, ect, so the USA will be a place for emerging industries.

4) Inflate a small amount of the debt away.

5) Reduce military expenditure.

6) I'm not sure what to do about social security yet.

Nice list.
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10/31/2016 12:37:57 AM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/30/2016 2:13:21 PM, Quadrunner wrote:
In a freak chain of events, Trump Mysteriously disappears and Hillary Clinton is struck down by God. Turns out the public had largely given up on third party, and your name was chosen randomly through write in votes. Congrats Mr(s) President.

What would you do to balance the federal budget?

Cut or downright abolish whole bunch of useless government programs.
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10/31/2016 12:44:24 AM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/31/2016 12:37:57 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 10/30/2016 2:13:21 PM, Quadrunner wrote:
In a freak chain of events, Trump Mysteriously disappears and Hillary Clinton is struck down by God. Turns out the public had largely given up on third party, and your name was chosen randomly through write in votes. Congrats Mr(s) President.

What would you do to balance the federal budget?

Cut or downright abolish whole bunch of useless government programs.

Could you name a couple? How much do you think you will "save"?
triangle.128k
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10/31/2016 12:50:34 AM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/31/2016 12:44:24 AM, TBR wrote:
At 10/31/2016 12:37:57 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 10/30/2016 2:13:21 PM, Quadrunner wrote:
In a freak chain of events, Trump Mysteriously disappears and Hillary Clinton is struck down by God. Turns out the public had largely given up on third party, and your name was chosen randomly through write in votes. Congrats Mr(s) President.

What would you do to balance the federal budget?

Cut or downright abolish whole bunch of useless government programs.

Could you name a couple? How much do you think you will "save"?

Social Security
Shrink the Department of Education
Shrink the NSA
Cut Supplemental Security Income
Descend all useless healthcare spending into the free market
Additional Child Tax Credit
Indian Housing Block Grants
Office of Refugee Resettlement

may I name more?
Quadrunner
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10/31/2016 12:57:41 AM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/31/2016 12:50:34 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 10/31/2016 12:44:24 AM, TBR wrote:
At 10/31/2016 12:37:57 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 10/30/2016 2:13:21 PM, Quadrunner wrote:
In a freak chain of events, Trump Mysteriously disappears and Hillary Clinton is struck down by God. Turns out the public had largely given up on third party, and your name was chosen randomly through write in votes. Congrats Mr(s) President.

What would you do to balance the federal budget?

Cut or downright abolish whole bunch of useless government programs.

Could you name a couple? How much do you think you will "save"?

Social Security
Shrink the Department of Education
Shrink the NSA
Cut Supplemental Security Income
Descend all useless healthcare spending into the free market
Additional Child Tax Credit
Indian Housing Block Grants
Office of Refugee Resettlement

may I name more?

How would you wipe out social security without going back on the governments commitment to those in older generations that are planning around it?
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triangle.128k
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10/31/2016 1:12:27 AM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/31/2016 12:57:41 AM, Quadrunner wrote:
At 10/31/2016 12:50:34 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 10/31/2016 12:44:24 AM, TBR wrote:
At 10/31/2016 12:37:57 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 10/30/2016 2:13:21 PM, Quadrunner wrote:
In a freak chain of events, Trump Mysteriously disappears and Hillary Clinton is struck down by God. Turns out the public had largely given up on third party, and your name was chosen randomly through write in votes. Congrats Mr(s) President.

What would you do to balance the federal budget?

Cut or downright abolish whole bunch of useless government programs.

Could you name a couple? How much do you think you will "save"?

Social Security
Shrink the Department of Education
Shrink the NSA
Cut Supplemental Security Income
Descend all useless healthcare spending into the free market
Additional Child Tax Credit
Indian Housing Block Grants
Office of Refugee Resettlement

may I name more?

How would you wipe out social security without going back on the governments commitment to those in older generations that are planning around it?

Those generations can have it lowered, while the youth should plan to save up theirselves.
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10/31/2016 1:13:04 AM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/31/2016 12:50:34 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 10/31/2016 12:44:24 AM, TBR wrote:
At 10/31/2016 12:37:57 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 10/30/2016 2:13:21 PM, Quadrunner wrote:
In a freak chain of events, Trump Mysteriously disappears and Hillary Clinton is struck down by God. Turns out the public had largely given up on third party, and your name was chosen randomly through write in votes. Congrats Mr(s) President.

What would you do to balance the federal budget?

Cut or downright abolish whole bunch of useless government programs.

Could you name a couple? How much do you think you will "save"?

Social Security
Shrink the Department of Education
Shrink the NSA
Cut Supplemental Security Income
Descend all useless healthcare spending into the free market
Additional Child Tax Credit
Indian Housing Block Grants
Office of Refugee Resettlement

may I name more?

If you please. I sure like your choice of "Indian Housing Block Grants". That one costs about 1/2 a billion a year, and the refugee program accounts for less that 1% of the entire HHS budget, but whatever. Keep cutting around the edges and you may make it to 10 billion with some real work.
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10/31/2016 1:21:26 AM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/30/2016 3:00:08 PM, twocupcakes wrote:
At 10/30/2016 2:13:21 PM, Quadrunner wrote:
In a freak chain of events, Trump Mysteriously disappears and Hillary Clinton is struck down by God. Turns out the public had largely given up on third party, and your name was chosen randomly through write in votes. Congrats Mr(s) President.

What would you do to balance the federal budget?

1) Increase taxes on the wealthy, especially money earned through capital gains and dividends.
This idea is utterly stupid, as it will only only limit and discourage investment, thus stagnating economic growth. Remember the rich aren't theives, and they play a huge role in the economy, so putting burdensome taxes on them is an utterly stupid idea.

2) Consider another stimulus package, to restore the economy to full employment, and so the economy is not damaged by the long term affects of unemployment. Many experts agree that the stimulus package was too small.
>assuming stimulus spending works

Also, remind me how stimulus spending will do anything to create a federal surplus? I thought this thread was about balancing the budget, not making it worse?

3) Invest in education,technology, ect, so the USA will be a place for emerging industries.
What investments? Is technology not flourishing in the private sector? Why should the government interfere in the tech industry?

Do also take note that investments in education aren't going to solve the problem of the poor secondary education system, as education reform is a much better long term solution.

4) Inflate a small amount of the debt away.

5) Reduce military expenditure.

6) I'm not sure what to do about social security yet.
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10/31/2016 1:23:21 AM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/31/2016 1:13:04 AM, TBR wrote:
At 10/31/2016 12:50:34 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 10/31/2016 12:44:24 AM, TBR wrote:
At 10/31/2016 12:37:57 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 10/30/2016 2:13:21 PM, Quadrunner wrote:
In a freak chain of events, Trump Mysteriously disappears and Hillary Clinton is struck down by God. Turns out the public had largely given up on third party, and your name was chosen randomly through write in votes. Congrats Mr(s) President.

What would you do to balance the federal budget?

Cut or downright abolish whole bunch of useless government programs.

Could you name a couple? How much do you think you will "save"?

Social Security
Shrink the Department of Education
Shrink the NSA
Cut Supplemental Security Income
Descend all useless healthcare spending into the free market
Additional Child Tax Credit
Indian Housing Block Grants
Office of Refugee Resettlement

may I name more?

If you please. I sure like your choice of "Indian Housing Block Grants". That one costs about 1/2 a billion a year, and the refugee program accounts for less that 1% of the entire HHS budget, but whatever. Keep cutting around the edges and you may make it to 10 billion with some real work.

I only listed a sample size; did you really expect me to lay out a formal detailed plan to introduce a bill through congress?
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10/31/2016 1:31:30 AM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/30/2016 3:00:08 PM, twocupcakes wrote:
At 10/30/2016 2:13:21 PM, Quadrunner wrote:
In a freak chain of events, Trump Mysteriously disappears and Hillary Clinton is struck down by God. Turns out the public had largely given up on third party, and your name was chosen randomly through write in votes. Congrats Mr(s) President.

What would you do to balance the federal budget?

1) Increase taxes on the wealthy, especially money earned through capital gains and dividends.

Getting rid of tax exemptions with the existing tax levels would be more profitable for the government coffers, and also will reduce corruption.
2) Consider another stimulus package, to restore the economy to full employment, and so the economy is not damaged by the long term effects of unemployment. Many experts agree that the stimulus package was too small.

Absolutely not, unless it's direct expenditures in infrastructure public works projects like roads, power grids, new pipes, bridges, and new school construction, especially in the poor urban areas.
Porkulous in the private sector is just money down the drain again. You can't expect trickle down to work.
3) Invest in education,technology, ect, so the USA will be a place for emerging industries.
We currently have a surplus of unemployed/underemployed college grads. This is definitely low on the priority scale.

4) Inflate a small amount of the debt away.
That's fine, inflation is an indirect tax on the poor, which I will never argue with.

5) Reduce military expenditure.
Absolutely, but withdraw from the Middle East while you are at it.

6) I'm not sure what to do about social security yet.
There's a bunch of things that can be done, I am not too worried.

Also, repeal minimum wage, impose stiff fines for under-the-table undocumented, untaxed employment, and start collecting from the employers of the poor, while at the same time eliminating the incentive for illegal slave labor and opening up more jobs for the poor. Employers of the poor have been riding that Crony donkey for too long now.
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10/31/2016 2:38:25 AM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/31/2016 1:23:21 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 10/31/2016 1:13:04 AM, TBR wrote:
At 10/31/2016 12:50:34 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 10/31/2016 12:44:24 AM, TBR wrote:
At 10/31/2016 12:37:57 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 10/30/2016 2:13:21 PM, Quadrunner wrote:
In a freak chain of events, Trump Mysteriously disappears and Hillary Clinton is struck down by God. Turns out the public had largely given up on third party, and your name was chosen randomly through write in votes. Congrats Mr(s) President.

What would you do to balance the federal budget?

Cut or downright abolish whole bunch of useless government programs.

Could you name a couple? How much do you think you will "save"?

Social Security
Shrink the Department of Education
Shrink the NSA
Cut Supplemental Security Income
Descend all useless healthcare spending into the free market
Additional Child Tax Credit
Indian Housing Block Grants
Office of Refugee Resettlement

may I name more?

If you please. I sure like your choice of "Indian Housing Block Grants". That one costs about 1/2 a billion a year, and the refugee program accounts for less that 1% of the entire HHS budget, but whatever. Keep cutting around the edges and you may make it to 10 billion with some real work.

I only listed a sample size; did you really expect me to lay out a formal detailed plan to introduce a bill through congress?

No. Not really. I just wanted to see yet another pathetic "cut spending" only plan. Know what is on the other side of cuts? Taxes.

Conservatives have talked about cuts for 50 years, never once offering to raise taxes. Its a pathetic failed notion that we can cut our way to a balance.
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10/31/2016 3:26:15 AM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/31/2016 2:38:25 AM, TBR wrote:
At 10/31/2016 1:23:21 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 10/31/2016 1:13:04 AM, TBR wrote:
At 10/31/2016 12:50:34 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 10/31/2016 12:44:24 AM, TBR wrote:
At 10/31/2016 12:37:57 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 10/30/2016 2:13:21 PM, Quadrunner wrote:
In a freak chain of events, Trump Mysteriously disappears and Hillary Clinton is struck down by God. Turns out the public had largely given up on third party, and your name was chosen randomly through write in votes. Congrats Mr(s) President.

What would you do to balance the federal budget?

Cut or downright abolish whole bunch of useless government programs.

Could you name a couple? How much do you think you will "save"?

Social Security
Shrink the Department of Education
Shrink the NSA
Cut Supplemental Security Income
Descend all useless healthcare spending into the free market
Additional Child Tax Credit
Indian Housing Block Grants
Office of Refugee Resettlement

may I name more?

If you please. I sure like your choice of "Indian Housing Block Grants". That one costs about 1/2 a billion a year, and the refugee program accounts for less that 1% of the entire HHS budget, but whatever. Keep cutting around the edges and you may make it to 10 billion with some real work.

I only listed a sample size; did you really expect me to lay out a formal detailed plan to introduce a bill through congress?

No. Not really. I just wanted to see yet another pathetic "cut spending" only plan. Know what is on the other side of cuts? Taxes.

Conservatives have talked about cuts for 50 years, never once offering to raise taxes. Its a pathetic failed notion that we can cut our way to a balance.

H Bush raised taxes ...just don't read the lips man.

I don't mind people that oppose tax cuts as a general rule, but it is insane for the same people to support economic stimuluses as long as a charismatic person is doing it...
TBR
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10/31/2016 2:00:24 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/31/2016 3:26:15 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 10/31/2016 2:38:25 AM, TBR wrote:
At 10/31/2016 1:23:21 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 10/31/2016 1:13:04 AM, TBR wrote:
At 10/31/2016 12:50:34 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 10/31/2016 12:44:24 AM, TBR wrote:
At 10/31/2016 12:37:57 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 10/30/2016 2:13:21 PM, Quadrunner wrote:
In a freak chain of events, Trump Mysteriously disappears and Hillary Clinton is struck down by God. Turns out the public had largely given up on third party, and your name was chosen randomly through write in votes. Congrats Mr(s) President.

What would you do to balance the federal budget?

Cut or downright abolish whole bunch of useless government programs.

Could you name a couple? How much do you think you will "save"?

Social Security
Shrink the Department of Education
Shrink the NSA
Cut Supplemental Security Income
Descend all useless healthcare spending into the free market
Additional Child Tax Credit
Indian Housing Block Grants
Office of Refugee Resettlement

may I name more?

If you please. I sure like your choice of "Indian Housing Block Grants". That one costs about 1/2 a billion a year, and the refugee program accounts for less that 1% of the entire HHS budget, but whatever. Keep cutting around the edges and you may make it to 10 billion with some real work.

I only listed a sample size; did you really expect me to lay out a formal detailed plan to introduce a bill through congress?

No. Not really. I just wanted to see yet another pathetic "cut spending" only plan. Know what is on the other side of cuts? Taxes.

Conservatives have talked about cuts for 50 years, never once offering to raise taxes. Its a pathetic failed notion that we can cut our way to a balance.

H Bush raised taxes ...just don't read the lips man.

I don't mind people that oppose tax cuts as a general rule, but it is insane for the same people to support economic stimuluses as long as a charismatic person is doing it...

What is wrong with "economic stimulus"? Not all economic stimulus is tax cutting, right?
Ramshutu
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10/31/2016 2:31:07 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/30/2016 2:13:21 PM, Quadrunner wrote:
In a freak chain of events, Trump Mysteriously disappears and Hillary Clinton is struck down by God. Turns out the public had largely given up on third party, and your name was chosen randomly through write in votes. Congrats Mr(s) President.

What would you do to balance the federal budget?

Why do you need to? I mean sure, you need to cut massive federal budget deficits that are not sustainable, but I don't see a big deal with smaller manageble deficits smaller as a percentage than receipt growth.
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10/31/2016 4:50:05 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/31/2016 2:00:24 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/31/2016 3:26:15 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 10/31/2016 2:38:25 AM, TBR wrote:
At 10/31/2016 1:23:21 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 10/31/2016 1:13:04 AM, TBR wrote:
At 10/31/2016 12:50:34 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 10/31/2016 12:44:24 AM, TBR wrote:
At 10/31/2016 12:37:57 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 10/30/2016 2:13:21 PM, Quadrunner wrote:
In a freak chain of events, Trump Mysteriously disappears and Hillary Clinton is struck down by God. Turns out the public had largely given up on third party, and your name was chosen randomly through write in votes. Congrats Mr(s) President.

What would you do to balance the federal budget?

Cut or downright abolish whole bunch of useless government programs.

Could you name a couple? How much do you think you will "save"?

Social Security
Shrink the Department of Education
Shrink the NSA
Cut Supplemental Security Income
Descend all useless healthcare spending into the free market
Additional Child Tax Credit
Indian Housing Block Grants
Office of Refugee Resettlement

may I name more?

If you please. I sure like your choice of "Indian Housing Block Grants". That one costs about 1/2 a billion a year, and the refugee program accounts for less that 1% of the entire HHS budget, but whatever. Keep cutting around the edges and you may make it to 10 billion with some real work.

I only listed a sample size; did you really expect me to lay out a formal detailed plan to introduce a bill through congress?

No. Not really. I just wanted to see yet another pathetic "cut spending" only plan. Know what is on the other side of cuts? Taxes.

Conservatives have talked about cuts for 50 years, never once offering to raise taxes. Its a pathetic failed notion that we can cut our way to a balance.

H Bush raised taxes ...just don't read the lips man.

I don't mind people that oppose tax cuts as a general rule, but it is insane for the same people to support economic stimuluses as long as a charismatic person is doing it...

What is wrong with "economic stimulus"? Not all economic stimulus is tax cutting, right?

Because both of them add to the debt, and both assume trickle down theory.

Preferring one over the other because of a charismatic face is the height of idiocy. Economics should not be a beauty pageant.
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10/31/2016 4:51:20 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/31/2016 2:31:07 PM, Ramshutu wrote:
At 10/30/2016 2:13:21 PM, Quadrunner wrote:
In a freak chain of events, Trump Mysteriously disappears and Hillary Clinton is struck down by God. Turns out the public had largely given up on third party, and your name was chosen randomly through write in votes. Congrats Mr(s) President.

What would you do to balance the federal budget?

Why do you need to? I mean sure, you need to cut massive federal budget deficits that are not sustainable, but I don't see a big deal with smaller manageble deficits smaller as a percentage than receipt growth.

Do you have a specific definition for an unmanageable debt?
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10/31/2016 4:52:12 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/31/2016 1:23:21 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 10/31/2016 1:13:04 AM, TBR wrote:
At 10/31/2016 12:50:34 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 10/31/2016 12:44:24 AM, TBR wrote:
At 10/31/2016 12:37:57 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 10/30/2016 2:13:21 PM, Quadrunner wrote:
In a freak chain of events, Trump Mysteriously disappears and Hillary Clinton is struck down by God. Turns out the public had largely given up on third party, and your name was chosen randomly through write in votes. Congrats Mr(s) President.

What would you do to balance the federal budget?

Cut or downright abolish whole bunch of useless government programs.

Could you name a couple? How much do you think you will "save"?

Social Security
Shrink the Department of Education
Shrink the NSA
Cut Supplemental Security Income
Descend all useless healthcare spending into the free market
Additional Child Tax Credit
Indian Housing Block Grants
Office of Refugee Resettlement

may I name more?

If you please. I sure like your choice of "Indian Housing Block Grants". That one costs about 1/2 a billion a year, and the refugee program accounts for less that 1% of the entire HHS budget, but whatever. Keep cutting around the edges and you may make it to 10 billion with some real work.

I only listed a sample size; did you really expect me to lay out a formal detailed plan to introduce a bill through congress?

It would be helpful to be as descriptive as your time allows.
Wisdom is found where the wise seek it.
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10/31/2016 5:06:17 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/31/2016 2:00:24 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/31/2016 3:26:15 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 10/31/2016 2:38:25 AM, TBR wrote:
At 10/31/2016 1:23:21 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 10/31/2016 1:13:04 AM, TBR wrote:
At 10/31/2016 12:50:34 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 10/31/2016 12:44:24 AM, TBR wrote:
At 10/31/2016 12:37:57 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 10/30/2016 2:13:21 PM, Quadrunner wrote:
In a freak chain of events, Trump Mysteriously disappears and Hillary Clinton is struck down by God. Turns out the public had largely given up on third party, and your name was chosen randomly through write in votes. Congrats Mr(s) President.

What would you do to balance the federal budget?

Cut or downright abolish whole bunch of useless government programs.

Could you name a couple? How much do you think you will "save"?

Social Security
Shrink the Department of Education
Shrink the NSA
Cut Supplemental Security Income
Descend all useless healthcare spending into the free market
Additional Child Tax Credit
Indian Housing Block Grants
Office of Refugee Resettlement

may I name more?

If you please. I sure like your choice of "Indian Housing Block Grants". That one costs about 1/2 a billion a year, and the refugee program accounts for less that 1% of the entire HHS budget, but whatever. Keep cutting around the edges and you may make it to 10 billion with some real work.

I only listed a sample size; did you really expect me to lay out a formal detailed plan to introduce a bill through congress?

No. Not really. I just wanted to see yet another pathetic "cut spending" only plan. Know what is on the other side of cuts? Taxes.

Conservatives have talked about cuts for 50 years, never once offering to raise taxes. Its a pathetic failed notion that we can cut our way to a balance.

H Bush raised taxes ...just don't read the lips man.

I don't mind people that oppose tax cuts as a general rule, but it is insane for the same people to support economic stimuluses as long as a charismatic person is doing it...

What is wrong with "economic stimulus"? Not all economic stimulus is tax cutting, right?

Nothing is inherently wrong with economic stimulus. In the context we are speaking, which is the Obama administrations massive stimulus packages, many of the choices, by nature of those involved in the decision were not carried out in efficient, productive additions to our economy. The key word is efficiency, which in my opinion is the main argument for tax breaks whenever possible.

I will say, while the Obamanations could have done better from my arm chair analysis, like any politician, I do see the merit of a stimulus program in the event of a crashing economy. It seems strange that taking less money from a broken system on the brink of collapse will provide some sort of magical fix, and more logical to invest in something you know will bring improvement, or is at least knowledgeably worthwhile, hopefully to sufficient degree.
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10/31/2016 5:18:45 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/30/2016 3:00:08 PM, twocupcakes wrote:
At 10/30/2016 2:13:21 PM, Quadrunner wrote:
In a freak chain of events, Trump Mysteriously disappears and Hillary Clinton is struck down by God. Turns out the public had largely given up on third party, and your name was chosen randomly through write in votes. Congrats Mr(s) President.

What would you do to balance the federal budget?

1) Increase taxes on the wealthy, especially money earned through capital gains and dividends.

2) Consider another stimulus package, to restore the economy to full employment, and so the economy is not damaged by the long term affects of unemployment. Many experts agree that the stimulus package was too small.

3) Invest in education,technology, ect, so the USA will be a place for emerging industries.

4) Inflate a small amount of the debt away.

5) Reduce military expenditure.

6) I'm not sure what to do about social security yet.

While almost no one would disagree education is one of the best investments we can make in America, I like to question people who advocate for it on the federal level, not that I think its a bad thing, but I can't help but wonder at the reasoning behind investing at state vs federal. Would you care to elaborate?
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10/31/2016 5:35:50 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/31/2016 1:13:04 AM, TBR wrote:
At 10/31/2016 12:50:34 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 10/31/2016 12:44:24 AM, TBR wrote:
At 10/31/2016 12:37:57 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 10/30/2016 2:13:21 PM, Quadrunner wrote:
In a freak chain of events, Trump Mysteriously disappears and Hillary Clinton is struck down by God. Turns out the public had largely given up on third party, and your name was chosen randomly through write in votes. Congrats Mr(s) President.

What would you do to balance the federal budget?

Cut or downright abolish whole bunch of useless government programs.

Could you name a couple? How much do you think you will "save"?

Social Security
Shrink the Department of Education
Shrink the NSA
Cut Supplemental Security Income
Descend all useless healthcare spending into the free market
Additional Child Tax Credit
Indian Housing Block Grants
Office of Refugee Resettlement

may I name more?

If you please. I sure like your choice of "Indian Housing Block Grants". That one costs about 1/2 a billion a year, and the refugee program accounts for less that 1% of the entire HHS budget, but whatever. Keep cutting around the edges and you may make it to 10 billion with some real work.

I apologize for my bluntness, but overlooking problems because of their present scale helps no one. If you are going to advocate for keeping or cutting a program, the argument should be based on cost/benefit analysis in comparison with alternative options, and minding any due obligations that need to be carried out before cutting.
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10/31/2016 5:42:41 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/31/2016 5:35:50 PM, Quadrunner wrote:
At 10/31/2016 1:13:04 AM, TBR wrote:
At 10/31/2016 12:50:34 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 10/31/2016 12:44:24 AM, TBR wrote:
At 10/31/2016 12:37:57 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 10/30/2016 2:13:21 PM, Quadrunner wrote:
In a freak chain of events, Trump Mysteriously disappears and Hillary Clinton is struck down by God. Turns out the public had largely given up on third party, and your name was chosen randomly through write in votes. Congrats Mr(s) President.

What would you do to balance the federal budget?

Cut or downright abolish whole bunch of useless government programs.

Could you name a couple? How much do you think you will "save"?

Social Security
Shrink the Department of Education
Shrink the NSA
Cut Supplemental Security Income
Descend all useless healthcare spending into the free market
Additional Child Tax Credit
Indian Housing Block Grants
Office of Refugee Resettlement

may I name more?

If you please. I sure like your choice of "Indian Housing Block Grants". That one costs about 1/2 a billion a year, and the refugee program accounts for less that 1% of the entire HHS budget, but whatever. Keep cutting around the edges and you may make it to 10 billion with some real work.

I apologize for my bluntness, but overlooking problems because of their present scale helps no one. If you are going to advocate for keeping or cutting a program, the argument should be based on cost/benefit analysis in comparison with alternative options, and minding any due obligations that need to be carried out before cutting.

And that discussion happens. It is however the favorite sport of "financial conservatives" to pick out spending they dislike as some sort of example of their "sane" approach without ever admiting that TAX is on the other side, and not some taboo.
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10/31/2016 5:59:17 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/31/2016 5:42:41 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/31/2016 5:35:50 PM, Quadrunner wrote:
At 10/31/2016 1:13:04 AM, TBR wrote:
At 10/31/2016 12:50:34 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 10/31/2016 12:44:24 AM, TBR wrote:
At 10/31/2016 12:37:57 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 10/30/2016 2:13:21 PM, Quadrunner wrote:
In a freak chain of events, Trump Mysteriously disappears and Hillary Clinton is struck down by God. Turns out the public had largely given up on third party, and your name was chosen randomly through write in votes. Congrats Mr(s) President.

What would you do to balance the federal budget?

Cut or downright abolish whole bunch of useless government programs.

Could you name a couple? How much do you think you will "save"?

Social Security
Shrink the Department of Education
Shrink the NSA
Cut Supplemental Security Income
Descend all useless healthcare spending into the free market
Additional Child Tax Credit
Indian Housing Block Grants
Office of Refugee Resettlement

may I name more?

If you please. I sure like your choice of "Indian Housing Block Grants". That one costs about 1/2 a billion a year, and the refugee program accounts for less that 1% of the entire HHS budget, but whatever. Keep cutting around the edges and you may make it to 10 billion with some real work.

I apologize for my bluntness, but overlooking problems because of their present scale helps no one. If you are going to advocate for keeping or cutting a program, the argument should be based on cost/benefit analysis in comparison with alternative options, and minding any due obligations that need to be carried out before cutting.

And that discussion happens. It is however the favorite sport of "financial conservatives" to pick out spending they dislike as some sort of example of their "sane" approach without ever admiting that TAX is on the other side, and not some taboo.

Such generalizations are typically not conducive to rational discussion. If there is valid reasoning behind "disliking" said imaginary programs, then it would be a sane approach, and arguably superior to raising taxes...In this case why would raising taxes be considered an option?

However, the logic behind your projection, assuming the imaginary conservative is purely cutting something because they don't like it is possibly sound in certain situations assuming their reasoning is not thought out...We haven't been provided with evidence for that in this thread yet, so if you perceive otherwise realize its your own projection. They may have good reason for believing there is little benefit if allowed explanation.

The point is, question his reasoning before assuming his motive. I see the point your making though. The Taboo effect is a dirty move, not unlike some of the topics I'm hoping to be covered in my racism thread.
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10/31/2016 6:07:38 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/31/2016 5:59:17 PM, Quadrunner wrote:
At 10/31/2016 5:42:41 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/31/2016 5:35:50 PM, Quadrunner wrote:
At 10/31/2016 1:13:04 AM, TBR wrote:
At 10/31/2016 12:50:34 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 10/31/2016 12:44:24 AM, TBR wrote:
At 10/31/2016 12:37:57 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 10/30/2016 2:13:21 PM, Quadrunner wrote:
In a freak chain of events, Trump Mysteriously disappears and Hillary Clinton is struck down by God. Turns out the public had largely given up on third party, and your name was chosen randomly through write in votes. Congrats Mr(s) President.

What would you do to balance the federal budget?

Cut or downright abolish whole bunch of useless government programs.

Could you name a couple? How much do you think you will "save"?

Social Security
Shrink the Department of Education
Shrink the NSA
Cut Supplemental Security Income
Descend all useless healthcare spending into the free market
Additional Child Tax Credit
Indian Housing Block Grants
Office of Refugee Resettlement

may I name more?

If you please. I sure like your choice of "Indian Housing Block Grants". That one costs about 1/2 a billion a year, and the refugee program accounts for less that 1% of the entire HHS budget, but whatever. Keep cutting around the edges and you may make it to 10 billion with some real work.

I apologize for my bluntness, but overlooking problems because of their present scale helps no one. If you are going to advocate for keeping or cutting a program, the argument should be based on cost/benefit analysis in comparison with alternative options, and minding any due obligations that need to be carried out before cutting.

And that discussion happens. It is however the favorite sport of "financial conservatives" to pick out spending they dislike as some sort of example of their "sane" approach without ever admiting that TAX is on the other side, and not some taboo.

Such generalizations are typically not conducive to rational discussion. If there is valid reasoning behind "disliking" said imaginary programs, then it would be a sane approach, and arguably superior to raising taxes...In this case why would raising taxes be considered an option?

However, the logic behind your projection, assuming the imaginary conservative is purely cutting something because they don't like it is possibly sound in certain situations assuming their reasoning is not thought out...We haven't been provided with evidence for that in this thread yet, so if you perceive otherwise realize its your own projection. They may have good reason for believing there is little benefit if allowed explanation.

The point is, question his reasoning before assuming his motive. I see the point your making though. The Taboo effect is a dirty move, not unlike some of the topics I'm hoping to be covered in my racism thread.

The assumption is that no thought was given to the spending in the first damn place.
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10/31/2016 6:10:04 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/31/2016 6:07:38 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/31/2016 5:59:17 PM, Quadrunner wrote:
At 10/31/2016 5:42:41 PM, TBR wrote:
At 10/31/2016 5:35:50 PM, Quadrunner wrote:
At 10/31/2016 1:13:04 AM, TBR wrote:
At 10/31/2016 12:50:34 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 10/31/2016 12:44:24 AM, TBR wrote:
At 10/31/2016 12:37:57 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 10/30/2016 2:13:21 PM, Quadrunner wrote:
In a freak chain of events, Trump Mysteriously disappears and Hillary Clinton is struck down by God. Turns out the public had largely given up on third party, and your name was chosen randomly through write in votes. Congrats Mr(s) President.

What would you do to balance the federal budget?

Cut or downright abolish whole bunch of useless government programs.

Could you name a couple? How much do you think you will "save"?

Social Security
Shrink the Department of Education
Shrink the NSA
Cut Supplemental Security Income
Descend all useless healthcare spending into the free market
Additional Child Tax Credit
Indian Housing Block Grants
Office of Refugee Resettlement

may I name more?

If you please. I sure like your choice of "Indian Housing Block Grants". That one costs about 1/2 a billion a year, and the refugee program accounts for less that 1% of the entire HHS budget, but whatever. Keep cutting around the edges and you may make it to 10 billion with some real work.

I apologize for my bluntness, but overlooking problems because of their present scale helps no one. If you are going to advocate for keeping or cutting a program, the argument should be based on cost/benefit analysis in comparison with alternative options, and minding any due obligations that need to be carried out before cutting.

And that discussion happens. It is however the favorite sport of "financial conservatives" to pick out spending they dislike as some sort of example of their "sane" approach without ever admiting that TAX is on the other side, and not some taboo.

Such generalizations are typically not conducive to rational discussion. If there is valid reasoning behind "disliking" said imaginary programs, then it would be a sane approach, and arguably superior to raising taxes...In this case why would raising taxes be considered an option?

However, the logic behind your projection, assuming the imaginary conservative is purely cutting something because they don't like it is possibly sound in certain situations assuming their reasoning is not thought out...We haven't been provided with evidence for that in this thread yet, so if you perceive otherwise realize its your own projection. They may have good reason for believing there is little benefit if allowed explanation.

The point is, question his reasoning before assuming his motive. I see the point your making though. The Taboo effect is a dirty move, not unlike some of the topics I'm hoping to be covered in my racism thread.

The assumption is that no thought was given to the spending in the first damn place.

This now brings us full circle, overlooking problems because of their present scale helps no one. If you are going to advocate for keeping or cutting a program, the argument should be based on cost/benefit analysis in comparison with alternative options, and minding any due obligations that need to be carried out before cutting.
Wisdom is found where the wise seek it.