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smelisox
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11/11/2016 9:57:52 AM
Posted: 4 weeks ago
-Fiscally Left-leaning.
-Economically I believe the State should be active, I'm against right and free market capitalism. I support taxes, the minimum wage, the health service, pensions.
-I believe abortion should be legal for women, homosexual people should be allowed to marry and adopt.
-I believe in high taxes.
-I believe anyone should have the right to do and say what they want if it does not physically harm others.
-I don't like profit motive, but I don't see how a capitalist economic system could survive without it. I'd also like to see a less private ownership of the means of production, so I'd say I have a far more socialist view of the means of production. Decentralisation of the country and nationalisation of key companies is something I support, like what's happening in France. But I don't think a full socialist and public ownership would work.
Quadrunner
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11/11/2016 11:47:41 AM
Posted: 4 weeks ago
At 11/11/2016 9:57:52 AM, smelisox wrote:
-Fiscally Left-leaning.
-Economically I believe the State should be active, I'm against right and free market capitalism. I support taxes, the minimum wage, the health service, pensions.
-I believe abortion should be legal for women, homosexual people should be allowed to marry and adopt.
-I believe in high taxes.
-I believe anyone should have the right to do and say what they want if it does not physically harm others.
-I don't like profit motive, but I don't see how a capitalist economic system could survive without it. I'd also like to see a less private ownership of the means of production, so I'd say I have a far more socialist view of the means of production. Decentralisation of the country and nationalisation of key companies is something I support, like what's happening in France. But I don't think a full socialist and public ownership would work.

I'm going to coin the term, American Socialist....A a soft socialist that grew up in capitalism, and loves it so much, but probably feels resent towards the absence of morality and integrity brought about through corporatism and views direct government involvement as the answer, primarily in the most essential/influential areas of our economy, but ultimately hoping to maintain an atmosphere where competition is still encouraged.

In the two party system we are stuck working with, obviously you would have to motion for one of the sects of the Democrats as it stands now. It doesn't seem like you are particularly progressive for this time, pretty standard and allowing the trends to continue but not pioneering anything and mentioned nothing of pressuring people's behavior an association many Americans seem to draw from socialism through stereotype and the part they wish to be separated from. Government intervention to maintain whatever it is you are looking for in industry is a priority however, while maintaining social freedom, probably the ideal leading you to managing corporation in the first place.

Seem about right?
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11/11/2016 12:32:20 PM
Posted: 4 weeks ago
At 11/11/2016 11:47:41 AM, Quadrunner wrote:
At 11/11/2016 9:57:52 AM, smelisox wrote:
-Fiscally Left-leaning.
-Economically I believe the State should be active, I'm against right and free market capitalism. I support taxes, the minimum wage, the health service, pensions.
-I believe abortion should be legal for women, homosexual people should be allowed to marry and adopt.
-I believe in high taxes.
-I believe anyone should have the right to do and say what they want if it does not physically harm others.
-I don't like profit motive, but I don't see how a capitalist economic system could survive without it. I'd also like to see a less private ownership of the means of production, so I'd say I have a far more socialist view of the means of production. Decentralisation of the country and nationalisation of key companies is something I support, like what's happening in France. But I don't think a full socialist and public ownership would work.

I'm going to coin the term, American Socialist....A a soft socialist that grew up in capitalism, and loves it so much, but probably feels resent towards the absence of morality and integrity brought about through corporatism and views direct government involvement as the answer, primarily in the most essential/influential areas of our economy, but ultimately hoping to maintain an atmosphere where competition is still encouraged.

In the two party system we are stuck working with, obviously you would have to motion for one of the sects of the Democrats as it stands now. It doesn't seem like you are particularly progressive for this time, pretty standard and allowing the trends to continue but not pioneering anything and mentioned nothing of pressuring people's behavior an association many Americans seem to draw from socialism through stereotype and the part they wish to be separated from. Government intervention to maintain whatever it is you are looking for in industry is a priority however, while maintaining social freedom, probably the ideal leading you to managing corporation in the first place.

Seem about right?

I'm from the UK. I don't love capitalism but acknowledge it is necessary, and have benefited from the socialist form of it (not in the UK though). You hit the nail on the head with corporations, competitivity and goverment involvement.
What makes me not progressive? I genuinely felt at times like I stood alone on matters like gay rights, which I always supported fully, or the right to abortion.
R0b1Billion
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11/11/2016 12:58:09 PM
Posted: 4 weeks ago
Just about every government imaginable is going to be a certain mix of capitalism and socialism. It's just a matter of which services and how much.

You are pretty-much just a typical liberal. You're all the way to the left on the political spectrum, although if you moved to Europe you might find yourself not on the far edge any more!
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11/11/2016 1:35:17 PM
Posted: 4 weeks ago
At 11/11/2016 12:32:20 PM, smelisox wrote:
At 11/11/2016 11:47:41 AM, Quadrunner wrote:
At 11/11/2016 9:57:52 AM, smelisox wrote:
-Fiscally Left-leaning.
-Economically I believe the State should be active, I'm against right and free market capitalism. I support taxes, the minimum wage, the health service, pensions.
-I believe abortion should be legal for women, homosexual people should be allowed to marry and adopt.
-I believe in high taxes.
-I believe anyone should have the right to do and say what they want if it does not physically harm others.
-I don't like profit motive, but I don't see how a capitalist economic system could survive without it. I'd also like to see a less private ownership of the means of production, so I'd say I have a far more socialist view of the means of production. Decentralisation of the country and nationalisation of key companies is something I support, like what's happening in France. But I don't think a full socialist and public ownership would work.

I'm going to coin the term, American Socialist....A a soft socialist that grew up in capitalism, and loves it so much, but probably feels resent towards the absence of morality and integrity brought about through corporatism and views direct government involvement as the answer, primarily in the most essential/influential areas of our economy, but ultimately hoping to maintain an atmosphere where competition is still encouraged.

In the two party system we are stuck working with, obviously you would have to motion for one of the sects of the Democrats as it stands now. It doesn't seem like you are particularly progressive for this time, pretty standard and allowing the trends to continue but not pioneering anything and mentioned nothing of pressuring people's behavior an association many Americans seem to draw from socialism through stereotype and the part they wish to be separated from. Government intervention to maintain whatever it is you are looking for in industry is a priority however, while maintaining social freedom, probably the ideal leading you to managing corporation in the first place.

Seem about right?

I'm from the UK. I don't love capitalism but acknowledge it is necessary, and have benefited from the socialist form of it (not in the UK though). You hit the nail on the head with corporations, competitivity and goverment involvement.
What makes me not progressive? I genuinely felt at times like I stood alone on matters like gay rights, which I always supported fully, or the right to abortion.

Well that's what I get for guessing and not questioning. The reasons are what count though, and the reason I said 'American,' is you indicated a less socially intrusive approach to the government's relationship with people, that I find to be typical of American views, in fact, one of the most common criticisms of European approaches in America is a personally intrusive government.

I didn't mean to say you aren't a progressive, but you didn't seem particularly progressive. Despite how strongly you may feel, most people are pro LGBT these days, and LGBT is a steadily progressing movement. Its not hard leaning to be backing them anymore. Progressivism is progressing, and in America the brunt of the work has been done for acceptance, and we've been progressing for awhile. Anti-LGBT activists, what's left of them, are in a losing battle. The particularly progressive person, of yester-year fighting for LGBT has now been down graded to a run of the mill progressive, moving with the trend, educating others, etc... Its no longer on the forefront to just be Pro LGBT in America.

So the statement was assuming American perspective, and with my own bias inevitably included.
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smelisox
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11/11/2016 4:55:00 PM
Posted: 4 weeks ago
At 11/11/2016 12:58:09 PM, R0b1Billion wrote:
Just about every government imaginable is going to be a certain mix of capitalism and socialism. It's just a matter of which services and how much.

You are pretty-much just a typical liberal. You're all the way to the left on the political spectrum, although if you moved to Europe you might find yourself not on the far edge any more!

I live in Europe.