Total Posts:5|Showing Posts:1-5
Jump to topic:

Trump's chance for greatness

Chang29
Posts: 732
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
11/11/2016 10:49:52 AM
Posted: 3 weeks ago
There are rebels!

Succession movements in Oregon and California have started. Time to prepare the US Army to quell a rebellion, using the same methods as Lincoln. Since, the Civil War was fought without congressional approval, and Trump has a pen for signing executive orders. He could suspend the Posse Comitatus Act then order the US Army to occupy these areas that refuse to obey the social contract they were born under. Trump could be remembered as the second greatest President after killing hundreds of thousands of those traitors on the west coast thus preserving the union at the tip of a bayonet.
A free market anti-capitalist

If it can be de-centralized, it will be de-centralized.
Quadrunner
Posts: 1,141
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
11/11/2016 12:17:55 PM
Posted: 3 weeks ago
At 11/11/2016 10:49:52 AM, Chang29 wrote:
There are rebels!

Succession movements in Oregon and California have started. Time to prepare the US Army to quell a rebellion, using the same methods as Lincoln. Since, the Civil War was fought without congressional approval, and Trump has a pen for signing executive orders. He could suspend the Posse Comitatus Act then order the US Army to occupy these areas that refuse to obey the social contract they were born under. Trump could be remembered as the second greatest President after killing hundreds of thousands of those traitors on the west coast thus preserving the union at the tip of a bayonet.

I don't know you so don't take this personally. This is stupid.
Wisdom is found where the wise seek it.
Chang29
Posts: 732
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
11/12/2016 1:31:58 AM
Posted: 3 weeks ago
At 11/11/2016 12:17:55 PM, Quadrunner wrote:
At 11/11/2016 10:49:52 AM, Chang29 wrote:
There are rebels!

Succession movements in Oregon and California have started. Time to prepare the US Army to quell a rebellion, using the same methods as Lincoln. Since, the Civil War was fought without congressional approval, and Trump has a pen for signing executive orders. He could suspend the Posse Comitatus Act then order the US Army to occupy these areas that refuse to obey the social contract they were born under. Trump could be remembered as the second greatest President after killing hundreds of thousands of those traitors on the west coast thus preserving the union at the tip of a bayonet.

I don't know you so don't take this personally. This is stupid.

You are correct very stupid, yet this is true.

Lincoln is considered a great president since he preserved the Union. He killed a more than a half million people with unconstitutional actions that set a precedence for future office holders.

Congress passed the Posse Comitatus Act in an attempt to reduce the president's ability to use Federal troops in America itself. Yet, congress and courts have allowed presidents to do just about anything with an executive order, especially in an emergency.

Then, the stupidity of social contract theory comes into play. Residents of rebellious states will be told they must follow federal laws due to fictional social contract that imposes government upon individuals. These non compliant people must be forced to respect authority of federal government.

If a state does secede, and if Trump took the same actions as highly respected predecessors, by established standards Trump would be a highly ranked president.

The comedy of watching progressive attempt to set up an armed resistance, or democratic socialists attempting to run military operations would be great to watch. Image America's seasoned obedient warriors on a operation similar to Sherman's march to the sea against these west coast pantie wastes.

The unsaid point is that the America president has too much power, and states should be able to leave the union peacefully.
A free market anti-capitalist

If it can be de-centralized, it will be de-centralized.
xus00HAY
Posts: 1,393
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
11/12/2016 2:02:30 AM
Posted: 3 weeks ago
After Lincoln won the 1860 election with 40% of the vote, the southern states seceded, and Maryland wanted to secede, but that would mean Washington D.C. would be surrounded, so he sent the army into Maryland and declared martial law.
When the confederates fired on fort sumpter we were at war.
However it was necessary for Lincoln to do these things to bring about the end of slavery, so historians try not to mention this.

That situation and Trump are not alike though. There are plenty of republicans in the blue states that are happy Trump won.
Chang29
Posts: 732
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
11/12/2016 2:37:49 AM
Posted: 3 weeks ago
At 11/12/2016 2:02:30 AM, xus00HAY wrote:
After Lincoln won the 1860 election with 40% of the vote, the southern states seceded, and Maryland wanted to secede, but that would mean Washington D.C. would be surrounded, so he sent the army into Maryland and declared martial law.
When the confederates fired on fort sumpter we were at war.
However it was necessary for Lincoln to do these things to bring about the end of slavery, so historians try not to mention this.

That situation and Trump are not alike though. There are plenty of republicans in the blue states that are happy Trump won.

The ends cannot justify the means. Lincoln set broad precedence for future presidents to take extreme action to quell a rebellion. Trump could easily cite Lincoln's actions to justify his own. Remember after 9/11, when neo-cons used Lincoln's suspension of habeas corpus as justification for violating civil rights of suspected terrorists and those in contact with them.

Trump could find many reasons to suppress a rebellion is western states, like to protect critical ports or resources. Reasons for justification are easy when the means have precedence, that have main stream support.

If Trump were to cite Lincoln's actions as justification, nowhere in mainstream history or politics has Lincoln's means been questioned or refuted.

For example, if California secedes then rebels attack a federal military base their state, the president has justification with precedence to crush that rebellion.
A free market anti-capitalist

If it can be de-centralized, it will be de-centralized.