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11/12/2016 6:14:30 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
There is, in fact, one scenario in which Hillary Clinton can still win the White House.
Technically, Trump did not win the election on November 8. Rather, the majority of electors are now pledged to vote for him. The Electoral College will officially cast their votes at a later date, perhaps in December.
They are not legally obligated to vote for Trump, however. In theory the College could vote Hillary into office, an election upset that would make even Trump's recent accomplishment pale in comparison. Right now, millions of Democrats and leftist news media outlets are demanding that the Electoral College do this.
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11/12/2016 6:17:22 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 11/12/2016 6:14:30 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
There is, in fact, one scenario in which Hillary Clinton can still win the White House.
Technically, Trump did not win the election on November 8. Rather, the majority of electors are now pledged to vote for him. The Electoral College will officially cast their votes at a later date, perhaps in December.
They are not legally obligated to vote for Trump, however. In theory the College could vote Hillary into office, an election upset that would make even Trump's recent accomplishment pale in comparison. Right now, millions of Democrats and leftist news media outlets are demanding that the Electoral College do this.

Just saw that on several news sites too. I don't see it happening. You think there is division in the country and rioting in the streets now? Just image what would happen if those shenanigans took place. Leftists are such hypocrites. "Let's preach unity and inclusion and non-violence while we destroy the country by rioting in the streets and beat up random white people." Idiots.
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11/12/2016 6:18:46 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
The Huffington Post literally suggested that the Founding Fathers set up the Electoral College to keep the people from selecting a bad President.
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11/12/2016 6:22:13 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
The electoral college isn't made up of random people, though. When you vote for "president" you are actually voting for a slate of electors that are comprised almost exclusively of party loyalists. If Trump won exactly 270 votes maybe there was a chance a faithless elector or two could swing things, but he won 306 votes.
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11/12/2016 6:25:29 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
Hillary for the win!
It's practically a slam dunk case anyway.
Hillary practically won the Presidential election, Trump in fact lost his way into power.
What's right should be right.

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11/12/2016 6:26:25 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 11/12/2016 6:18:46 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
The Huffington Post literally suggested that the Founding Fathers set up the Electoral College to keep the people from selecting a bad President.

Sounds like it worked just fine then.
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11/12/2016 6:29:15 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 11/12/2016 6:22:13 PM, thett3 wrote:
The electoral college isn't made up of random people, though. When you vote for "president" you are actually voting for a slate of electors that are comprised almost exclusively of party loyalists. If Trump won exactly 270 votes maybe there was a chance a faithless elector or two could swing things, but he won 306 votes.

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11/12/2016 6:40:46 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 11/12/2016 6:14:30 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
There is, in fact, one scenario in which Hillary Clinton can still win the White House.
Technically, Trump did not win the election on November 8. Rather, the majority of electors are now pledged to vote for him. The Electoral College will officially cast their votes at a later date, perhaps in December.
They are not legally obligated to vote for Trump, however. In theory the College could vote Hillary into office, an election upset that would make even Trump's recent accomplishment pale in comparison. Right now, millions of Democrats and leftist news media outlets are demanding that the Electoral College do this.

Never in US history has there been more than 5 or so faithless electors in an election. If there's so many that make Hillary win, there'd be a revolution.
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11/12/2016 6:41:57 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 11/12/2016 6:25:29 PM, Lynx_N wrote:
Hillary for the win!
It's practically a slam dunk case anyway.
Hillary practically won the Presidential election, Trump in fact lost his way into power.
What's right should be right.

#Hillarywon

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11/12/2016 6:55:38 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 11/12/2016 6:14:30 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
There is, in fact, one scenario in which Hillary Clinton can still win the White House.
Technically, Trump did not win the election on November 8. Rather, the majority of electors are now pledged to vote for him. The Electoral College will officially cast their votes at a later date, perhaps in December.
They are not legally obligated to vote for Trump, however. In theory the College could vote Hillary into office, an election upset that would make even Trump's recent accomplishment pale in comparison. Right now, millions of Democrats and leftist news media outlets are demanding that the Electoral College do this.

This won't happen, and if it did happen that would be the biggest d!ck move to ever occur. I seriously hope no one does that, and the fact that people are suggesting it is gross.

It is purposely undermining the collectively established system of democratic election for political ends. Disgusting
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11/12/2016 7:02:25 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 11/12/2016 6:14:30 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
There is, in fact, one scenario in which Hillary Clinton can still win the White House.
Technically, Trump did not win the election on November 8. Rather, the majority of electors are now pledged to vote for him. The Electoral College will officially cast their votes at a later date, perhaps in December.
They are not legally obligated to vote for Trump, however. In theory the College could vote Hillary into office, an election upset that would make even Trump's recent accomplishment pale in comparison. Right now, millions of Democrats and leftist news media outlets are demanding that the Electoral College do this.

Why so pessimistic?
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11/12/2016 7:13:23 PM
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At 11/12/2016 6:40:46 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
Never in US history has there been more than 5 or so faithless electors in an election.

Except for the 7 in 1828, the 32 in 1832, and the 23 in 1836.

I don't think the 63 in 1872 really count, considering the circumstances.
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11/12/2016 7:22:00 PM
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My God, the Trumpsters are actually worried here, I mean for real.
This is a potentially dangerous thread, it could just spark enough debacle for states to re-evaluate their actions to enable Hilllary taking office instead of Donald.......
Most interesting.
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11/12/2016 7:41:34 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 11/12/2016 6:14:30 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
There is, in fact, one scenario in which Hillary Clinton can still win the White House.
In theory the College could vote Hillary into office.
However, Hillary already officially conceded from the race.
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11/12/2016 7:48:00 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 11/12/2016 7:13:23 PM, Discipulus_Didicit wrote:
At 11/12/2016 6:40:46 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
Never in US history has there been more than 5 or so faithless electors in an election.

Except for the 7 in 1828, the 32 in 1832, and the 23 in 1836.

I don't think the 63 in 1872 really count, considering the circumstances.

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11/12/2016 7:48:46 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 11/12/2016 7:22:00 PM, Lynx_N wrote:
My God, the Trumpsters are actually worried here, I mean for real.
This is a potentially dangerous thread, it could just spark enough debacle for states to re-evaluate their actions to enable Hilllary taking office instead of Donald.......
Most interesting.

Literally no one is worried about this
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11/12/2016 8:11:43 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 11/12/2016 7:13:23 PM, Discipulus_Didicit wrote:
At 11/12/2016 6:40:46 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
Never in US history has there been more than 5 or so faithless electors in an election.

Except for the 7 in 1828, the 32 in 1832, and the 23 in 1836.

I don't think the 63 in 1872 really count, considering the circumstances.

I was thinking states (considering the winner-take-all system), but I guess that's wrong too. Oh well.
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11/12/2016 9:10:38 PM
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At 11/12/2016 8:11:43 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 11/12/2016 7:13:23 PM, Discipulus_Didicit wrote:
At 11/12/2016 6:40:46 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
Never in US history has there been more than 5 or so faithless electors in an election.

Except for the 7 in 1828, the 32 in 1832, and the 23 in 1836.

I don't think the 63 in 1872 really count, considering the circumstances.

I was thinking states (considering the winner-take-all system), but I guess that's wrong too. Oh well.

Fact checking helps. This particular fact check took me about two minutes typing words into google then reading words that came up. An absurdly huge amount of effort to put into something as inconsequential as knowing the truth I know, but sometimes it's worth the struggle.
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11/12/2016 9:15:01 PM
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At 11/12/2016 9:10:38 PM, Discipulus_Didicit wrote:
At 11/12/2016 8:11:43 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 11/12/2016 7:13:23 PM, Discipulus_Didicit wrote:
At 11/12/2016 6:40:46 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
Never in US history has there been more than 5 or so faithless electors in an election.

Except for the 7 in 1828, the 32 in 1832, and the 23 in 1836.

I don't think the 63 in 1872 really count, considering the circumstances.

I was thinking states (considering the winner-take-all system), but I guess that's wrong too. Oh well.

Fact checking helps. This particular fact check took me about two minutes typing words into google then reading words that came up. An absurdly huge amount of effort to put into something as inconsequential as knowing the truth I know, but sometimes it's worth the struggle.

Okay, it's not necessary to be a jerk about it.
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11/12/2016 9:25:31 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 11/12/2016 6:14:30 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
There is, in fact, one scenario in which Hillary Clinton can still win the White House.
Technically, Trump did not win the election on November 8. Rather, the majority of electors are now pledged to vote for him. The Electoral College will officially cast their votes at a later date, perhaps in December.
They are not legally obligated to vote for Trump, however. In theory the College could vote Hillary into office, an election upset that would make even Trump's recent accomplishment pale in comparison. Right now, millions of Democrats and leftist news media outlets are demanding that the Electoral College do this.

I think she has a better chance of ending up in Jail than in the White House.
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11/12/2016 9:58:10 PM
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At 11/12/2016 6:17:22 PM, RookieApologist wrote:
At 11/12/2016 6:14:30 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
There is, in fact, one scenario in which Hillary Clinton can still win the White House.
Technically, Trump did not win the election on November 8. Rather, the majority of electors are now pledged to vote for him. The Electoral College will officially cast their votes at a later date, perhaps in December.
They are not legally obligated to vote for Trump, however. In theory the College could vote Hillary into office, an election upset that would make even Trump's recent accomplishment pale in comparison. Right now, millions of Democrats and leftist news media outlets are demanding that the Electoral College do this.

Just saw that on several news sites too. I don't see it happening. You think there is division in the country and rioting in the streets now? Just image what would happen if those shenanigans took place. Leftists are such hypocrites. "Let's preach unity and inclusion and non-violence while we destroy the country by rioting in the streets and beat up random white people." Idiots.

You said brother, Democrats are worried what Trump will do? Look at them literally destroying America,Burning down and vandalizing Homes and businesses, beating the crap out of people like Pre WW2 Nazi Hitler youth. This country has far more to fear from Democrats than anything Trump would do. My prayers go out to the people who will pay the ultimate price at the hands of a Democrats
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11/12/2016 10:01:54 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
This would literally lead to a civil war.
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11/12/2016 10:06:46 PM
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At 11/12/2016 9:58:10 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 11/12/2016 6:17:22 PM, RookieApologist wrote:
At 11/12/2016 6:14:30 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
There is, in fact, one scenario in which Hillary Clinton can still win the White House.
Technically, Trump did not win the election on November 8. Rather, the majority of electors are now pledged to vote for him. The Electoral College will officially cast their votes at a later date, perhaps in December.
They are not legally obligated to vote for Trump, however. In theory the College could vote Hillary into office, an election upset that would make even Trump's recent accomplishment pale in comparison. Right now, millions of Democrats and leftist news media outlets are demanding that the Electoral College do this.

Just saw that on several news sites too. I don't see it happening. You think there is division in the country and rioting in the streets now? Just image what would happen if those shenanigans took place. Leftists are such hypocrites. "Let's preach unity and inclusion and non-violence while we destroy the country by rioting in the streets and beat up random white people." Idiots.

You said brother, Democrats are worried what Trump will do? Look at them literally destroying America,Burning down and vandalizing Homes and businesses, beating the crap out of people like Pre WW2 Nazi Hitler youth. This country has far more to fear from Democrats than anything Trump would do. My prayers go out to the people who will pay the ultimate price at the hands of a Democrats
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The Democrat party and it's supporters are pretty much a terrorist organization. They are terrorizing people in the streets destroying things and doing everything a terrorist organization does. Covert or die.
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11/12/2016 11:11:33 PM
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At 11/12/2016 6:14:30 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
There is, in fact, one scenario in which Hillary Clinton can still win the White House.
Technically, Trump did not win the election on November 8. Rather, the majority of electors are now pledged to vote for him. The Electoral College will officially cast their votes at a later date, perhaps in December.
They are not legally obligated to vote for Trump, however. In theory the College could vote Hillary into office, an election upset that would make even Trump's recent accomplishment pale in comparison. Right now, millions of Democrats and leftist news media outlets are demanding that the Electoral College do this.

You think the riots are bad with a bunch of liberal wussies. Imagine what would happen if they actually voided the people's vote. This would trigger, quite literally, massive amounts of chaos and potentially a civil war.

It won't happen.
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11/12/2016 11:37:23 PM
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At 11/12/2016 11:11:33 PM, Heterodox wrote:
At 11/12/2016 6:14:30 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
There is, in fact, one scenario in which Hillary Clinton can still win the White House.
Technically, Trump did not win the election on November 8. Rather, the majority of electors are now pledged to vote for him. The Electoral College will officially cast their votes at a later date, perhaps in December.
They are not legally obligated to vote for Trump, however. In theory the College could vote Hillary into office, an election upset that would make even Trump's recent accomplishment pale in comparison. Right now, millions of Democrats and leftist news media outlets are demanding that the Electoral College do this.

You think the riots are bad with a bunch of liberal wussies. Imagine what would happen if they actually voided the people's vote. This would trigger, quite literally, massive amounts of chaos and potentially a civil war.

It won't happen.

What makes you think that isn't the plan? I put nothing past the Democrat party. They have demonstrated that nothing is beneath them to hold onto power including causing a civil war and suspending all rights and the constitution and instituting martial law.
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11/13/2016 2:38:54 AM
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At 11/12/2016 10:01:54 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
This would literally lead to a civil war.

I wouldn't quite go that far. But there'd definitely be some violence, and in this instance, I might even go far to say that it'd be justified.
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11/13/2016 2:47:57 AM
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At 11/12/2016 6:18:46 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
The Huffington Post literally suggested that the Founding Fathers set up the Electoral College to keep the people from selecting a bad President.

Its true though. The Founding Fathers actually weren't fans of universal suffrage, that's why Senators where chosen by state legislators and only white land owning men could initially vote.

But I think it would be a bad idea for the EC to elect Hillary, it would go against tradition. But if they elected Bernie I wouldn't mind.
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11/13/2016 3:08:15 AM
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At 11/13/2016 2:47:57 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 11/12/2016 6:18:46 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
The Huffington Post literally suggested that the Founding Fathers set up the Electoral College to keep the people from selecting a bad President.

Its true though. The Founding Fathers actually weren't fans of universal suffrage, that's why Senators where chosen by state legislators and only white land owning men could initially vote.

But I think it would be a bad idea for the EC to elect Hillary, it would go against tradition. But if they elected Bernie I wouldn't mind.

Because that wouldn't be against tradition? She already conceded anyway.
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11/13/2016 3:38:11 AM
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At 11/13/2016 3:08:15 AM, RookieApologist wrote:
At 11/13/2016 2:47:57 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 11/12/2016 6:18:46 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
The Huffington Post literally suggested that the Founding Fathers set up the Electoral College to keep the people from selecting a bad President.

Its true though. The Founding Fathers actually weren't fans of universal suffrage, that's why Senators where chosen by state legislators and only white land owning men could initially vote.

But I think it would be a bad idea for the EC to elect Hillary, it would go against tradition. But if they elected Bernie I wouldn't mind.

Because that wouldn't be against tradition? She already conceded anyway.

It was a joke.
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11/13/2016 3:39:01 AM
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At 11/13/2016 3:38:11 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 11/13/2016 3:08:15 AM, RookieApologist wrote:
At 11/13/2016 2:47:57 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 11/12/2016 6:18:46 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
The Huffington Post literally suggested that the Founding Fathers set up the Electoral College to keep the people from selecting a bad President.

Its true though. The Founding Fathers actually weren't fans of universal suffrage, that's why Senators where chosen by state legislators and only white land owning men could initially vote.

But I think it would be a bad idea for the EC to elect Hillary, it would go against tradition. But if they elected Bernie I wouldn't mind.

Because that wouldn't be against tradition? She already conceded anyway.

It was a joke.

Ah, belay my last then ;)