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Tineric
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11/18/2016 6:03:59 AM
Posted: 2 weeks ago
The USA still tries to maintain their monopoly to decide the fate of countries and peoples. The independent politics of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad doesn"t satisfy with the United States and its allies. In this context, Washington supports the Syrian opposition seeking to overthrow the legitimate government of the country.
The US government under the pretext of fighting against terrorism continues its dual policy in the region. USA sponsored doubtful "opposition" groups which are currently fighting against the legitimate government of Syria. US actions in Syria prove that the overthrow of President Bashar al-Assad is a higher priority than the establishment of peace and stability in the country.
The representative of the US State Department stated that the American government didn"t consider and would not consider keeping Bashar Assad in power in Syria, even if he and his army will put an end to the bloodshed in the territory of the Republic.
Undoubtedly, the main US goal in Syria is to destabilize the situation in the country and the overthrow of the legitimate President. This is done in order to install a regime that will be entirely and completely subordinate to the government of the United States.
Vox_Veritas
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11/18/2016 6:07:48 AM
Posted: 2 weeks ago
At 11/18/2016 6:03:59 AM, Tineric wrote:
The USA still tries to maintain their monopoly to decide the fate of countries and peoples. The independent politics of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad doesn"t satisfy with the United States and its allies. In this context, Washington supports the Syrian opposition seeking to overthrow the legitimate government of the country.
The US government under the pretext of fighting against terrorism continues its dual policy in the region. USA sponsored doubtful "opposition" groups which are currently fighting against the legitimate government of Syria. US actions in Syria prove that the overthrow of President Bashar al-Assad is a higher priority than the establishment of peace and stability in the country.
The representative of the US State Department stated that the American government didn"t consider and would not consider keeping Bashar Assad in power in Syria, even if he and his army will put an end to the bloodshed in the territory of the Republic.
Undoubtedly, the main US goal in Syria is to destabilize the situation in the country and the overthrow of the legitimate President. This is done in order to install a regime that will be entirely and completely subordinate to the government of the United States.

The U.S. should've never encouraged an uprising in Syria, but by this point it's something of a sunken coast: so many lives have been lost in Syria that if the war doesn't result in a democratic government that respects human rights those hundreds of thousands of people who died will have died for absolutely nothing.
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Skepsikyma
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11/18/2016 6:24:58 AM
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At 11/18/2016 6:07:48 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 11/18/2016 6:03:59 AM, Tineric wrote:
The USA still tries to maintain their monopoly to decide the fate of countries and peoples. The independent politics of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad doesn"t satisfy with the United States and its allies. In this context, Washington supports the Syrian opposition seeking to overthrow the legitimate government of the country.
The US government under the pretext of fighting against terrorism continues its dual policy in the region. USA sponsored doubtful "opposition" groups which are currently fighting against the legitimate government of Syria. US actions in Syria prove that the overthrow of President Bashar al-Assad is a higher priority than the establishment of peace and stability in the country.
The representative of the US State Department stated that the American government didn"t consider and would not consider keeping Bashar Assad in power in Syria, even if he and his army will put an end to the bloodshed in the territory of the Republic.
Undoubtedly, the main US goal in Syria is to destabilize the situation in the country and the overthrow of the legitimate President. This is done in order to install a regime that will be entirely and completely subordinate to the government of the United States.

The U.S. should've never encouraged an uprising in Syria, but by this point it's something of a sunken coast: so many lives have been lost in Syria that if the war doesn't result in a democratic government that respects human rights those hundreds of thousands of people who died will have died for absolutely nothing.

Democratic government in Syria is impossible with their demographics. It would be Iraq on steroids. The only rational solution at this point is cantonization along sectarian lines; otherwise the surrounding powers will just try to catapult their sympathetic groups into power and the country would effectively become a power vacuum prone to regular genocidal purges.
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Greyparrot
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11/18/2016 7:19:54 AM
Posted: 2 weeks ago
At 11/18/2016 6:24:58 AM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 11/18/2016 6:07:48 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 11/18/2016 6:03:59 AM, Tineric wrote:
The USA still tries to maintain their monopoly to decide the fate of countries and peoples. The independent politics of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad doesn"t satisfy with the United States and its allies. In this context, Washington supports the Syrian opposition seeking to overthrow the legitimate government of the country.
The US government under the pretext of fighting against terrorism continues its dual policy in the region. USA sponsored doubtful "opposition" groups which are currently fighting against the legitimate government of Syria. US actions in Syria prove that the overthrow of President Bashar al-Assad is a higher priority than the establishment of peace and stability in the country.
The representative of the US State Department stated that the American government didn"t consider and would not consider keeping Bashar Assad in power in Syria, even if he and his army will put an end to the bloodshed in the territory of the Republic.
Undoubtedly, the main US goal in Syria is to destabilize the situation in the country and the overthrow of the legitimate President. This is done in order to install a regime that will be entirely and completely subordinate to the government of the United States.

The U.S. should've never encouraged an uprising in Syria, but by this point it's something of a sunken coast: so many lives have been lost in Syria that if the war doesn't result in a democratic government that respects human rights those hundreds of thousands of people who died will have died for absolutely nothing.

Democratic government in Syria is impossible with their demographics. It would be Iraq on steroids. The only rational solution at this point is cantonization along sectarian lines; otherwise the surrounding powers will just try to catapult their sympathetic groups into power and the country would effectively become a power vacuum prone to regular genocidal purges.

This is why the insane policy of "all ME dictators MUST die" needs to be completely thrown out....
slo1
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11/18/2016 1:48:47 PM
Posted: 2 weeks ago
At 11/18/2016 6:03:59 AM, Tineric wrote:
The USA still tries to maintain their monopoly to decide the fate of countries and peoples. The independent politics of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad doesn"t satisfy with the United States and its allies. In this context, Washington supports the Syrian opposition seeking to overthrow the legitimate government of the country.
The US government under the pretext of fighting against terrorism continues its dual policy in the region. USA sponsored doubtful "opposition" groups which are currently fighting against the legitimate government of Syria. US actions in Syria prove that the overthrow of President Bashar al-Assad is a higher priority than the establishment of peace and stability in the country.
The representative of the US State Department stated that the American government didn"t consider and would not consider keeping Bashar Assad in power in Syria, even if he and his army will put an end to the bloodshed in the territory of the Republic.
Undoubtedly, the main US goal in Syria is to destabilize the situation in the country and the overthrow of the legitimate President. This is done in order to install a regime that will be entirely and completely subordinate to the government of the United States.

Well the Obama administration has said an Assad gov is not acceptable, so nothing surprising with what you wrote.

That changes with Trump, who has somewhat of a mixed ME stance. One one hand he thinks ISIL is enemy #1 and has already stated he would work with Russia, thus Assad to eradicate ISIL from Syria.

On the other he has stated that successfully removing ISIl from Iraq as a great boon to Iran which will further strengthen Iran's influence. Syria and Hezbollah are very much part of the Shia Iran influence, and is directly related to the security of Israel.

I expect Trump to back off of Iran and become Assad and Putin's buddy. In the meantime the Syrian civil war has greatly strengthened Hezbullah.

It will be interesting to see how that impacts Lebanese politics as well as how Israel losing air dominance over Syria impacts them.
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11/18/2016 1:58:09 PM
Posted: 2 weeks ago
At 11/18/2016 6:07:48 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 11/18/2016 6:03:59 AM, Tineric wrote:
The USA still tries to maintain their monopoly to decide the fate of countries and peoples. The independent politics of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad doesn"t satisfy with the United States and its allies. In this context, Washington supports the Syrian opposition seeking to overthrow the legitimate government of the country.
The US government under the pretext of fighting against terrorism continues its dual policy in the region. USA sponsored doubtful "opposition" groups which are currently fighting against the legitimate government of Syria. US actions in Syria prove that the overthrow of President Bashar al-Assad is a higher priority than the establishment of peace and stability in the country.
The representative of the US State Department stated that the American government didn"t consider and would not consider keeping Bashar Assad in power in Syria, even if he and his army will put an end to the bloodshed in the territory of the Republic.
Undoubtedly, the main US goal in Syria is to destabilize the situation in the country and the overthrow of the legitimate President. This is done in order to install a regime that will be entirely and completely subordinate to the government of the United States.

The U.S. should've never encouraged an uprising in Syria, but by this point it's something of a sunken coast: so many lives have been lost in Syria that if the war doesn't result in a democratic government that respects human rights those hundreds of thousands of people who died will have died for absolutely nothing.

Why do people always assume a democratic government is better for people. It will ultimately reflect the culture of those people, and if their thousand year old influences lead them to their current way of life, that's a good indicator of things that will be found through their democratic system as well.
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11/18/2016 2:06:58 PM
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At 11/18/2016 1:58:09 PM, Quadrunner wrote:
At 11/18/2016 6:07:48 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 11/18/2016 6:03:59 AM, Tineric wrote:
The USA still tries to maintain their monopoly to decide the fate of countries and peoples. The independent politics of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad doesn"t satisfy with the United States and its allies. In this context, Washington supports the Syrian opposition seeking to overthrow the legitimate government of the country.
The US government under the pretext of fighting against terrorism continues its dual policy in the region. USA sponsored doubtful "opposition" groups which are currently fighting against the legitimate government of Syria. US actions in Syria prove that the overthrow of President Bashar al-Assad is a higher priority than the establishment of peace and stability in the country.
The representative of the US State Department stated that the American government didn"t consider and would not consider keeping Bashar Assad in power in Syria, even if he and his army will put an end to the bloodshed in the territory of the Republic.
Undoubtedly, the main US goal in Syria is to destabilize the situation in the country and the overthrow of the legitimate President. This is done in order to install a regime that will be entirely and completely subordinate to the government of the United States.

The U.S. should've never encouraged an uprising in Syria, but by this point it's something of a sunken coast: so many lives have been lost in Syria that if the war doesn't result in a democratic government that respects human rights those hundreds of thousands of people who died will have died for absolutely nothing.

Why do people always assume a democratic government is better for people. It will ultimately reflect the culture of those people, and if their thousand year old influences lead them to their current way of life, that's a good indicator of things that will be found through their democratic system as well.

Democracy is not synonymous with our American perspective of freedom, and improved human standards of living that were laid out as unwavering principles by the founding fathers. It is the rule by the majority, and it can be pretty screwed up if the majority have oppressing views of minorities.
Wisdom is found where the wise seek it.