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11/18/2016 8:09:37 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
Does anyone actually care? Something tells me the answer in no. That's pretty sad.
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11/18/2016 8:13:34 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 11/18/2016 8:09:37 AM, Discipulus_Didicit wrote:
Does anyone actually care? Something tells me the answer in no. That's pretty sad.

I think the primaries were rigged in a few states. But I'd like to see your evidence.
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11/18/2016 8:22:16 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 11/18/2016 8:09:37 AM, Discipulus_Didicit wrote:
Does anyone actually care? Something tells me the answer in no. That's pretty sad.

Well if the primaries were indeed rigged, it's a big deal, because it's an affront to the concept of democracy, especially in the modern era where the populace is supposedly entrusted with picking their representatives instead of a few party elites. What's even worse is that the candidate the Democrats chose was less electable than the one they didn't, but they chose her anyway due to her connections.
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11/18/2016 8:31:09 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 11/18/2016 8:13:34 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
I think the primaries were rigged in a few states. But I'd like to see your evidence.

Well you could be a sheep and trust the media headlines proclaiming "Wikileaks Proves Primary Was Rigged: DNC Undermined Democracy" or you could go to Wikileaks and actually check for yourself.

Both paths lead to the same conclusion, interestingly enough.

Where is your evidence that they were rigged?
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11/18/2016 10:04:40 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 11/18/2016 8:31:09 AM, Discipulus_Didicit wrote:
At 11/18/2016 8:13:34 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
I think the primaries were rigged in a few states. But I'd like to see your evidence.

Well you could be a sheep and trust the media headlines proclaiming "Wikileaks Proves Primary Was Rigged: DNC Undermined Democracy" or you could go to Wikileaks and actually check for yourself.

Both paths lead to the same conclusion, interestingly enough.

Where is your evidence that they were rigged?

I was expecting more from you but ok.

Well first off it's clear DWS acting as DNC chair purposefully stymied Sanders campaign early on by denying him access to voter lists - after his campaign told them about the vulnerability twice. He had to sue in order for the "issue" to be corrected. This gave HRC a head start before Iowa. [http://usuncut.com...]

DWS despite pledging neutrality was not [http://cosmoso.net...]. Wikileaks shows that she and Hillary talked about potential strategy and how to defame Sanders among other things [http://heavy.com...]. DWS had to eventually step down for her BS and was rewarded by Hillary for her loyalty by being appointed as national chair of her campaign.

Super delegates ... while not technically 'rigging' don't get me started on the merit of 400+ delegates pledging to Hillary before even listening to Bernie's side. Utter BS from the establishment favoring Hillary over Bernie.

And just like with the general election the media presumed Hillary would win against Bernie an framed it as such.

In terms of states there were quite a few .. "irregularities".

Iowa caught on camera [http://ijr.com...] and other reasons to be suspicious [https://www.lewrockwell.com...]

New York with hundreds of thousands of Democrats purged from voting lists and broken machines forcing voters to sign affidavit ballots that could be thrown out. [http://www.nbcnewyork.com...]

In Massachusetts not so scandalous but Bill probably broke the law [http://www.salon.com...] but exit polls point to a Bernie win [https://richardcharnin.wordpress.com...]

The Sec of State of Arizona actually confirmed election fraud happened [http://usuncut.com...]

Nevada was really done wrong. [http://russia-insider.com...] The caucus was a joke [https://www.youtube.com...]

Puerto Rico was BS too. Less than a 3rd of promised polling places were available - and many were separated between primary voting and local elections. [https://thinkprogress.org...] also Sanders officials were not certified while at the same time Hillary's were helping prisoners vote [http://thehill.com...]
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11/18/2016 11:27:10 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 11/18/2016 8:09:37 AM, Discipulus_Didicit wrote:
Does anyone actually care? Something tells me the answer in no. That's pretty sad.

That Bernie allowed it, when Trump did not, shows that Trump will likely make for a better president. Though, Bernie probably would of beaten Trump. So, I guess I am somewhat grateful that the DNC messed up so horribly, but at the same time a bit concerned that the people seemingly don't care much about rigged elections.
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11/18/2016 12:46:49 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 11/18/2016 10:04:40 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
I was expecting more from you but ok.

Sorry to disappoint, though I'll confess that the shortness of my answer and my counter-question was partially motivated by smart-assery. The DNC doing shady sh*t is common knowledge at this point and you weren't denying that.

The bigger problem in my opinion is not whether the DNC and Clinton did shady sh*t, something I have never even seen a Clinton supporter deny, but rather the fact that nobody seems to care.
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11/19/2016 2:57:13 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 11/18/2016 12:46:49 PM, Discipulus_Didicit wrote:
At 11/18/2016 10:04:40 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
I was expecting more from you but ok.

Sorry to disappoint, though I'll confess that the shortness of my answer and my counter-question was partially motivated by smart-assery. The DNC doing shady sh*t is common knowledge at this point and you weren't denying that.

The bigger problem in my opinion is not whether the DNC and Clinton did shady sh*t, something I have never even seen a Clinton supporter deny, but rather the fact that nobody seems to care.

It was never really covered on the news. They wanted to keep quite on actual evidence of rigging the primary cause she could have list. When Trump was talking about rigging they played him up to look crazy as we can see there was no rigging.
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11/19/2016 4:17:40 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
Trump forced Hillary to say there's "no rigging" so that he could win without fears of another Al Gore incident.
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11/19/2016 7:30:58 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 11/19/2016 2:57:13 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
It was never really covered on the news. They wanted to keep quiet on actual evidence of rigging the primary because she could have lost. When Trump was talking about rigging they played him up to look crazy as we can see there was no rigging.

I see. Perhaps I have overestimated humanity by assuming that hearing about such an accusation would cause most people to actually take an hour out of their lives to look into the matter rather than just tune in to their local news station to see what they had to say about it.
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11/19/2016 7:34:21 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 11/19/2016 4:17:40 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
Trump forced Hillary to say there's "no rigging" so that he could win without fears of another Al Gore incident.

Wait, people thought Trump would rig voting? Based on what?
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11/19/2016 7:43:54 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 11/19/2016 7:30:58 AM, Discipulus_Didicit wrote:
At 11/19/2016 2:57:13 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
It was never really covered on the news. They wanted to keep quiet on actual evidence of rigging the primary because she could have lost. When Trump was talking about rigging they played him up to look crazy as we can see there was no rigging.

I see. Perhaps I have overestimated humanity by assuming that hearing about such an accusation would cause most people to actually take an hour out of their lives to look into the matter rather than just tune in to their local news station to see what they had to say about it.

Americans are notoriously apolitical. When they do care, it's usually single issue voting or general fears that are fueled by tribalistic propaganda.

But even knowing all the corrupt sh!t Hillary has done I'd still vote for her over Trump, I didn't, but if I had to I would. American politics is in a sad sad state. SAD!
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11/19/2016 7:56:15 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 11/19/2016 7:43:54 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
Americans are notoriously apolitical.

Dangerous quality for a democracy. Unfortunately I don't see that changing anytime soon.
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11/19/2016 7:57:21 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 11/19/2016 7:56:15 AM, Discipulus_Didicit wrote:
At 11/19/2016 7:43:54 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
Americans are notoriously apolitical.

Dangerous quality for a democracy. Unfortunately I don't see that changing anytime soon.

Indeed.
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