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11/21/2016 10:47:29 PM
Posted: 2 weeks ago
http://www.slate.com...

Pat "the Terrible" McCrory, infamous homophobic, transphobic, racist, bigot, has lost his election to the considerably less odious Roy Cooper, by thousands and thousands of votes.

Yet, consistent with his terrible ways, he refuses to surrender.

I feel a federal lawsuit coming.
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11/21/2016 11:08:42 PM
Posted: 2 weeks ago
He may be terrible, but he still doesnt hold a candle to the sh*t-stain-on-democracy-and-governance that Kansas is dealing with under Sam Brownback.

Glad to see him about to get kicked out the door though
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11/21/2016 11:19:13 PM
Posted: 2 weeks ago
At 11/21/2016 11:08:42 PM, imabench wrote:
He may be terrible, but he still doesnt hold a candle to the sh*t-stain-on-democracy-and-governance that Kansas is dealing with under Sam Brownback.

Glad to see him about to get kicked out the door though

They're about equally as bad, it's just that Brownback gets more press time.

McCrory is the shit_of_the earth.
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11/22/2016 1:14:03 AM
Posted: 2 weeks ago
Look at me, I can cite biased sources too:
http://observer.com...
Call me Vox, the Resident Contrarian of debate.org.

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11/22/2016 6:46:37 PM
Posted: 1 week ago
At 11/21/2016 10:47:29 PM, YYW wrote:
http://www.slate.com...

Pat "the Terrible" McCrory, infamous homophobic, transphobic, racist, bigot, has lost his election to the considerably less odious Roy Cooper, by thousands and thousands of votes.

Yet, consistent with his terrible ways, he refuses to surrender.

I feel a federal lawsuit coming.
Slate is perhaps on the same level of quality journalism as Buzzfeed or Huffington Post. No one really takes what they say very seriously except for individuals who lack to capacity to discern when linguistic framing is occurring. So let's look at each of your claims and I will ask you to prove them:
1) Pat McCrory is homophobic.
2) Pat McCrory is transphobic.
3) Pat McCrory is racist.
4) Pat McCrory is a bigot.
5) Pat McCrory has lost the election.

You did not cite any evidence and neither did the article written by the same "guy" who wrote "I Am a Gay Jew in Trump's America. And I Am Afraid for My Life." So I will wait for you to provide the evidence for each of the claims.

Also, you said that McCrory "refuses to surrender," but all of the votes have not been counted yet. Not to mention that there are protests being filed in over 50 counties regarding voter fraud. Would you not want every legitimate vote to count?
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11/22/2016 7:26:11 PM
Posted: 1 week ago
At 11/22/2016 6:46:37 PM, Scruggs wrote:
At 11/21/2016 10:47:29 PM, YYW wrote:
http://www.slate.com...

Pat "the Terrible" McCrory, infamous homophobic, transphobic, racist, bigot, has lost his election to the considerably less odious Roy Cooper, by thousands and thousands of votes.

Yet, consistent with his terrible ways, he refuses to surrender.

I feel a federal lawsuit coming.
Slate is perhaps on the same level of quality journalism as Buzzfeed or Huffington Post. No one really takes what they say very seriously except for individuals who lack to capacity to discern when linguistic framing is occurring. So let's look at each of your claims and I will ask you to prove them:
1) Pat McCrory is homophobic.
2) Pat McCrory is transphobic.

His highest achievement in legislation which he campaigned hard on is considered the most anti-LGBT law in the US, which meets the standards for homophobic and transphobic

http://www.pbs.org...

3) Pat McCrory is racist.
4) Pat McCrory is a bigot.

The NC voter-ID law which impacted minorities "with almost surgical precision" more than white people was struck down after the Supreme Court refused to hear arguments over it

http://www.cnn.com...

5) Pat McCrory has lost the election.

He's currently down by about 6000 votes, which is a gap after almost all votes have already been counted is almost insurmountable to make up and overcome

http://www.npr.org...

You did not cite any evidence and neither did the article written by the same "guy" who wrote "I Am a Gay Jew in Trump's America. And I Am Afraid for My Life." So I will wait for you to provide the evidence for each of the claims.

Also, you said that McCrory "refuses to surrender," but all of the votes have not been counted yet. Not to mention that there are protests being filed in over 50 counties regarding voter fraud. Would you not want every legitimate vote to count?
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11/22/2016 7:38:17 PM
Posted: 1 week ago
At 11/22/2016 1:14:03 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
Look at me, I can cite biased sources too:
http://observer.com...

That has nothing to do with the OP.
I'm becoming less defined as days go by, fading away, and well you might say, I'm losing focus, kinda drifting into the abstract in terms of how I see myself.
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11/22/2016 8:08:35 PM
Posted: 1 week ago
At 11/22/2016 7:26:11 PM, imabench wrote:

Slate is perhaps on the same level of quality journalism as Buzzfeed or Huffington Post. No one really takes what they say very seriously except for individuals who lack to capacity to discern when linguistic framing is occurring. So let's look at each of your claims and I will ask you to prove them:
1) Pat McCrory is homophobic.
2) Pat McCrory is transphobic.

His highest achievement in legislation which he campaigned hard on is considered the most anti-LGBT law in the US, which meets the standards for homophobic and transphobic

http://www.pbs.org...
The link you provided me is just a bunch of individuals whining on a video. Let's actually discuss HB2 as it pertains to the LGBT(Q?) community. To start, HB2 was made in response to Charlotte Ordinance 7056. This ordinance was "a non-discrimination ordinance prohibiting discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation or gender identity in public accommodations or by passenger vehicles for hire or city contractors" This meant that private businesses were forced to accommodate people with specific gender identities.

HB2 allows private businesses and facilities to make up their own rules in regard to restrooms. If you own a business in NC and want to accommodate for people with specific gender identities, then go ahead. However, if you own a business in NC and do not want to, but would rather keep your restrooms the same as they have been prior to HB2, then you can. The only places forced to not accommodate for gender identity were publicly owned facilities. This includes public schools, universities, rest stops, etc.

Now, the bill also "eliminates anti-discrimination protections for gay, bisexual, transgender, and genderqueer people." However, McCrory was against this piece of the bill. Which is why he signed legislation rolling back that piece.
Source: http://www.hrc.org...

I might also add the following:
"On May 28, 2015, McCrory vetoed a bill that would have allowed magistrates with religious objections to refuse to perform same-sex marriages."

It would seem inconsistent for Pat McCrory to be "homophobic" yet veto this bill.
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org...

3) Pat McCrory is racist.
4) Pat McCrory is a bigot.

The NC voter-ID law which impacted minorities "with almost surgical precision" more than white people was struck down after the Supreme Court refused to hear arguments over it

http://www.cnn.com...
It was a ridiculous claim that the voter ID law was racist and it still is a ridiculous claim. The Democrats and left always complain about voter suppression and racism even when it is not there. For example, this election the state of Ohio caught crap from Democrats for "suppressing voters" simply because they rejected ballots with incomplete or incorrect information!
Source: http://www3.alternet.org...

Back to the NC law, however, let's look at the details. The law was passed in 2013. NC had the midterms in 2010 and the black voter turnout was 40.3%. In 2014 it was 42.2%. The black vote was so suppressed that it grew 2%! These numbers are right from the State Board of Elections. And did you bother to read the CNN article you linked me to? It does not even call the law racist! And, to be sure, the SC was split on it.

5) Pat McCrory has lost the election.

He's currently down by about 6000 votes, which is a gap after almost all votes have already been counted is almost insurmountable to make up and overcome

http://www.npr.org...
Yeah, except all votes have not been counted. As of yesterday (Nov. 21): "The State Board of Elections says only 12 out of North Carolina's 100 counties have certified their results. Results were supposed to be certified on Friday, November 18th."
Source: http://abc11.com...

Not to mention that formal protests are being filed in over 50 counties regarding voter fraud.
Source: http://www.politico.com...

Also, McCrory just filed for a recount.
Source: http://abc11.com...

You were saying?
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11/22/2016 9:22:46 PM
Posted: 1 week ago
At 11/21/2016 10:47:29 PM, YYW wrote:
http://www.slate.com...

Pat "the Terrible" McCrory, infamous homophobic, transphobic, racist, bigot, has lost his election to the considerably less odious Roy Cooper, by thousands and thousands of votes.

Yet, consistent with his terrible ways, he refuses to surrender.

I feel a federal lawsuit coming.

He is legally entitled to a recount as the race is within 10,000 votes. Glad to see you oppose recounts now, though. I'll hold onto this for future reference.
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11/22/2016 9:27:23 PM
Posted: 1 week ago
At 11/22/2016 6:46:37 PM, Scruggs wrote:
At 11/21/2016 10:47:29 PM, YYW wrote:
http://www.slate.com...

Pat "the Terrible" McCrory, infamous homophobic, transphobic, racist, bigot, has lost his election to the considerably less odious Roy Cooper, by thousands and thousands of votes.

Yet, consistent with his terrible ways, he refuses to surrender.

I feel a federal lawsuit coming.
Slate is perhaps on the same level of quality journalism as Buzzfeed or Huffington Post. No one really takes what they say very seriously except for individuals who lack to capacity to discern when linguistic framing is occurring. So let's look at each of your claims and I will ask you to prove them:
1) Pat McCrory is homophobic.
2) Pat McCrory is transphobic.
3) Pat McCrory is racist.
4) Pat McCrory is a bigot.
5) Pat McCrory has lost the election.

You did not cite any evidence and neither did the article written by the same "guy" who wrote "I Am a Gay Jew in Trump's America. And I Am Afraid for My Life." So I will wait for you to provide the evidence for each of the claims.

Also, you said that McCrory "refuses to surrender," but all of the votes have not been counted yet. Not to mention that there are protests being filed in over 50 counties regarding voter fraud. Would you not want every legitimate vote to count?

Each and every aspect of your response is mistaken. And there is no fraud. McCrory is trying to create an illusion of fraud for the purpose of usurping the popular vote. He is a vile, disgusting person because of it. His actions are a threat to the integrity of our democracy.
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11/22/2016 9:27:57 PM
Posted: 1 week ago
At 11/22/2016 9:22:46 PM, TN05 wrote:
At 11/21/2016 10:47:29 PM, YYW wrote:
http://www.slate.com...

Pat "the Terrible" McCrory, infamous homophobic, transphobic, racist, bigot, has lost his election to the considerably less odious Roy Cooper, by thousands and thousands of votes.

Yet, consistent with his terrible ways, he refuses to surrender.

I feel a federal lawsuit coming.

He is legally entitled to a recount as the race is within 10,000 votes. Glad to see you oppose recounts now, though. I'll hold onto this for future reference.

lol I never said I opposed recounts. Try to read more carefully.
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11/22/2016 9:51:35 PM
Posted: 1 week ago
At 11/22/2016 9:27:23 PM, YYW wrote:

Slate is perhaps on the same level of quality journalism as Buzzfeed or Huffington Post. No one really takes what they say very seriously except for individuals who lack to capacity to discern when linguistic framing is occurring. So let's look at each of your claims and I will ask you to prove them:
1) Pat McCrory is homophobic.
2) Pat McCrory is transphobic.
3) Pat McCrory is racist.
4) Pat McCrory is a bigot.
5) Pat McCrory has lost the election.

You did not cite any evidence and neither did the article written by the same "guy" who wrote "I Am a Gay Jew in Trump's America. And I Am Afraid for My Life." So I will wait for you to provide the evidence for each of the claims.

Also, you said that McCrory "refuses to surrender," but all of the votes have not been counted yet. Not to mention that there are protests being filed in over 50 counties regarding voter fraud. Would you not want every legitimate vote to count?

Each and every aspect of your response is mistaken. And there is no fraud. McCrory is trying to create an illusion of fraud for the purpose of usurping the popular vote. He is a vile, disgusting person because of it. His actions are a threat to the integrity of our democracy.
Okay, if "each and every aspect" of my response is mistaken, then correct me. How am I mistaken? I simply listed the claims that YOU made and asked for you to provide evidence. And how do you know there is no voter fraud? Have you personally investigated it?
"If a man does not put himself in the attitude of a sinner, his prayer will not be heard before God." A brother asked him, "what is a sinful soul?" And St. Abba Moses replied, "Everyone who bears his own sins, and does not consider those of his companion."
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11/22/2016 9:55:32 PM
Posted: 1 week ago
At 11/22/2016 9:27:57 PM, YYW wrote:
At 11/22/2016 9:22:46 PM, TN05 wrote:
At 11/21/2016 10:47:29 PM, YYW wrote:
http://www.slate.com...

Pat "the Terrible" McCrory, infamous homophobic, transphobic, racist, bigot, has lost his election to the considerably less odious Roy Cooper, by thousands and thousands of votes.

Yet, consistent with his terrible ways, he refuses to surrender.

I feel a federal lawsuit coming.

He is legally entitled to a recount as the race is within 10,000 votes. Glad to see you oppose recounts now, though. I'll hold onto this for future reference.

lol I never said I opposed recounts. Try to read more carefully.

Maybe you should read my post again, you'll get the gist.
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11/22/2016 9:58:20 PM
Posted: 1 week ago
At 11/22/2016 9:51:35 PM, Scruggs wrote:
At 11/22/2016 9:27:23 PM, YYW wrote:

Slate is perhaps on the same level of quality journalism as Buzzfeed or Huffington Post. No one really takes what they say very seriously except for individuals who lack to capacity to discern when linguistic framing is occurring. So let's look at each of your claims and I will ask you to prove them:
1) Pat McCrory is homophobic.
2) Pat McCrory is transphobic.
3) Pat McCrory is racist.
4) Pat McCrory is a bigot.
5) Pat McCrory has lost the election.

You did not cite any evidence and neither did the article written by the same "guy" who wrote "I Am a Gay Jew in Trump's America. And I Am Afraid for My Life." So I will wait for you to provide the evidence for each of the claims.

Also, you said that McCrory "refuses to surrender," but all of the votes have not been counted yet. Not to mention that there are protests being filed in over 50 counties regarding voter fraud. Would you not want every legitimate vote to count?

Each and every aspect of your response is mistaken. And there is no fraud. McCrory is trying to create an illusion of fraud for the purpose of usurping the popular vote. He is a vile, disgusting person because of it. His actions are a threat to the integrity of our democracy.
Okay, if "each and every aspect" of my response is mistaken, then correct me. How am I mistaken? I simply listed the claims that YOU made and asked for you to provide evidence. And how do you know there is no voter fraud? Have you personally investigated it?

I know there is no fraud because there is no proof of fraud, it has been widely investigated, and if there even existed a scintilla of evidence McCrory would have produced it by now.

As a general matter (though you may not know this because you're not in the legal field), you don't *disprove* fraud. The way it works is that where a person alleges that they have been the victim of fraud, the burden is on them to prove that such fraud occurred.

Here, there is no competent evidence of fraud at all; much less the extent and degree of fraud that McCrory has alleged (speciously, might I add), and beyond that, if there was evidence of fraud, by now it would have come out because McCory would want to use it for his own purposes.

When evaluating issues, you have to ask yourself whether they pass the sniff test. Does this make sense, or not? What's really going on in the big picture? What possible motives may be going on, here?

Here, this doesn't even pass the sniff test. There is no evidence, where evidence should have been prevented. In the law, the question is "on whom is the burden of proof," and here it's squarely and exclusively on McCrory. He must prove fraud, and he must prove it on a widespread and systemic scale to an extent that nearly ten thousand ballots were falsely cast at his expense. And, beyond that, if ANY fraud is found, he has to prove that it wasn't used for his advantage (read: that it helped Roy Cooper and NOT McCrory, the terrible). He can't do that, because he is absolutely full of sh!t.
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11/22/2016 9:59:01 PM
Posted: 1 week ago
At 11/22/2016 9:55:32 PM, TN05 wrote:
At 11/22/2016 9:27:57 PM, YYW wrote:
At 11/22/2016 9:22:46 PM, TN05 wrote:
At 11/21/2016 10:47:29 PM, YYW wrote:
http://www.slate.com...

Pat "the Terrible" McCrory, infamous homophobic, transphobic, racist, bigot, has lost his election to the considerably less odious Roy Cooper, by thousands and thousands of votes.

Yet, consistent with his terrible ways, he refuses to surrender.

I feel a federal lawsuit coming.

He is legally entitled to a recount as the race is within 10,000 votes. Glad to see you oppose recounts now, though. I'll hold onto this for future reference.

lol I never said I opposed recounts. Try to read more carefully.

Maybe you should read my post again, you'll get the gist.

Dude, when you want to be snide... you have to be right. Here, you're not.
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11/22/2016 10:04:50 PM
Posted: 1 week ago
At 11/22/2016 9:59:01 PM, YYW wrote:
At 11/22/2016 9:55:32 PM, TN05 wrote:
Maybe you should read my post again, you'll get the gist.

Dude, when you want to be snide... you have to be right. Here, you're not.

Since you want me to spell it out for you: I take your opposition to McCrory's right to recount as opposition to all recounts.
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11/22/2016 10:07:49 PM
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At 11/22/2016 9:58:20 PM, YYW wrote:

Okay, if "each and every aspect" of my response is mistaken, then correct me. How am I mistaken? I simply listed the claims that YOU made and asked for you to provide evidence. And how do you know there is no voter fraud? Have you personally investigated it?

I know there is no fraud because there is no proof of fraud, it has been widely investigated, and if there even existed a scintilla of evidence McCrory would have produced it by now.
You know, an investigation may need to be conducted. McCrory is not some kind of undercover agent who has been investigating voter fraud since Nov. 8th lol.

As a general matter (though you may not know this because you're not in the legal field), you don't *disprove* fraud. The way it works is that where a person alleges that they have been the victim of fraud, the burden is on them to prove that such fraud occurred.
I have not suggested that you or anyone else needs to disprove McCrory's claims. You said that you knew there was no voter fraud, I simply want to know how you know this.

Here, there is no competent evidence of fraud at all; much less the extent and degree of fraud that McCrory has alleged (speciously, might I add), and beyond that, if there was evidence of fraud, by now it would have come out because McCory would want to use it for his own purposes.
Why do you think an investigation has been conducted in the 50+ NC counties already? As far as I know, no investigations into the voter fraud claims have been conducted.

When evaluating issues, you have to ask yourself whether they pass the sniff test. Does this make sense, or not? What's really going on in the big picture? What possible motives may be going on, here?
No. Vote fraud issues do not have to pass YYW's "sniff test." The world does not revolve around you nor your sniffer.

Here, this doesn't even pass the sniff test. There is no evidence, where evidence should have been prevented. In the law, the question is "on whom is the burden of proof," and here it's squarely and exclusively on McCrory. He must prove fraud, and he must prove it on a widespread and systemic scale to an extent that nearly ten thousand ballots were falsely cast at his expense. And, beyond that, if ANY fraud is found, he has to prove that it wasn't used for his advantage (read: that it helped Roy Cooper and NOT McCrory, the terrible). He can't do that, because he is absolutely full of sh!t.
You do not know whether or not there will be voter fraud. You just hate an individual so much that you blindly hope he is wrong. And, to be fair, I hope that McCrory is wrong too. I hope that voter fraud does not plague multiple counties in my home state. And, once again, no one is asking you or anyone else to disprove voter fraud. Everyone on God's green earth is aware that it is squarely on McCrory to provide the evidence.
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11/22/2016 10:16:58 PM
Posted: 1 week ago
At 11/22/2016 10:04:50 PM, TN05 wrote:
At 11/22/2016 9:59:01 PM, YYW wrote:
At 11/22/2016 9:55:32 PM, TN05 wrote:
Maybe you should read my post again, you'll get the gist.

Dude, when you want to be snide... you have to be right. Here, you're not.

Since you want me to spell it out for you: I take your opposition to McCrory's right to recount as opposition to all recounts.

I understand, which is why you failed to read. I never said I was opposed to an NC recount.

This, again, is why you need to read more carefully and precisely.
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11/22/2016 10:18:45 PM
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At 11/22/2016 10:07:49 PM, Scruggs wrote:

Obviously an investigation will take place, and probably a recount, and McCrory will be forced to surrender the governorship.

I clearly understand that you are a McCrory supporter and moreover that you believe that there is some probability of voter fraud despite the fact that there is no evidence for it.

None of your other responses merit my consideration.
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11/22/2016 10:25:01 PM
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At 11/22/2016 10:18:45 PM, YYW wrote:
At 11/22/2016 10:07:49 PM, Scruggs wrote:

Obviously an investigation will take place, and probably a recount, and McCrory will be forced to surrender the governorship.
Should every legitimate vote be counted and Cooper is the winner, then I will gladly embrace the new governor.

I clearly understand that you are a McCrory supporter and moreover that you believe that there is some probability of voter fraud despite the fact that there is no evidence for it.
I am a McCrory supporter and I believe there is still a chance for him to win. If there were not a chance, then he would have conceded the race already. Once all the votes have been counted and any fraudulent votes have been dispelled I will gladly accept whoever is the winner.

None of your other responses merit my consideration.
I don't imagine they would. You failed to provide evidence for any of your claims you have made throughout this entire thread. This is probably because Slate, Huffington Post, Buzzfeed, etc. do not provide evidence for any of their claims either. This, in turn, leaves their clueless readers spewing nonsense that cannot be supported.
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11/22/2016 10:29:21 PM
Posted: 1 week ago
At 11/22/2016 10:25:01 PM, Scruggs wrote:
At 11/22/2016 10:18:45 PM, YYW wrote:
At 11/22/2016 10:07:49 PM, Scruggs wrote:

Obviously an investigation will take place, and probably a recount, and McCrory will be forced to surrender the governorship.
Should every legitimate vote be counted and Cooper is the winner, then I will gladly embrace the new governor.

I clearly understand that you are a McCrory supporter and moreover that you believe that there is some probability of voter fraud despite the fact that there is no evidence for it.
I am a McCrory supporter and I believe there is still a chance for him to win. If there were not a chance, then he would have conceded the race already. Once all the votes have been counted and any fraudulent votes have been dispelled I will gladly accept whoever is the winner.

None of your other responses merit my consideration.
I don't imagine they would. You failed to provide evidence for any of your claims you have made throughout this entire thread. This is probably because Slate, Huffington Post, Buzzfeed, etc. do not provide evidence for any of their claims either. This, in turn, leaves their clueless readers spewing nonsense that cannot be supported.

The "you failed to provide evidence" response holds no water where the burden of proof is not on me. It's on your soon to be ousted governor.
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11/22/2016 10:33:49 PM
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At 11/22/2016 10:29:21 PM, YYW wrote:

The "you failed to provide evidence" response holds no water where the burden of proof is not on me. It's on your soon to be ousted governor.
Are you really this ridiculous? ONCE AGAIN, no one (not even me) is asking you or anyone else to disprove voter fraud. I hope I do not have to tell you this again, but who knows at this point? Here are all the claims YOU have made without citing any evidence to support them:
1) Pat McCrory is homophobic.
2) Pat McCrory is transphobic.
3) Pat McCrory is racist.
4) Pat McCrory is a bigot.
5) Pat McCrory has lost the election.
6) Each and every aspect of my response is mistaken.

Unless you provide evidence, I must assume that you retract the statements.
"If a man does not put himself in the attitude of a sinner, his prayer will not be heard before God." A brother asked him, "what is a sinful soul?" And St. Abba Moses replied, "Everyone who bears his own sins, and does not consider those of his companion."
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11/22/2016 10:37:34 PM
Posted: 1 week ago
At 11/22/2016 10:33:49 PM, Scruggs wrote:
At 11/22/2016 10:29:21 PM, YYW wrote:

The "you failed to provide evidence" response holds no water where the burden of proof is not on me. It's on your soon to be ousted governor.
Are you really this ridiculous? ONCE AGAIN, no one (not even me) is asking you or anyone else to disprove voter fraud. I hope I do not have to tell you this again, but who knows at this point? Here are all the claims YOU have made without citing any evidence to support them:

Let's explore them, together.

1) Pat McCrory is homophobic.
2) Pat McCrory is transphobic.

House bills. You know what I'm talking about.

3) Pat McCrory is racist.

Rolling back employment discrimination protections, and actively disenfranchising black voters through patently disgusting gerrymandering efforts.

4) Pat McCrory is a bigot.

See the house bills.

5) Pat McCrory has lost the election.

See the vote count.

6) Each and every aspect of my response is mistaken.

correct

Unless you provide evidence, I must assume that you retract the statements.
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11/22/2016 10:45:35 PM
Posted: 1 week ago
At 11/22/2016 10:37:34 PM, YYW wrote:

Are you really this ridiculous? ONCE AGAIN, no one (not even me) is asking you or anyone else to disprove voter fraud. I hope I do not have to tell you this again, but who knows at this point? Here are all the claims YOU have made without citing any evidence to support them:

Let's explore them, together.
Have you ever experienced a brick wall responding to you? No? I am experiencing it right now.

1) Pat McCrory is homophobic.
2) Pat McCrory is transphobic.

House bills. You know what I'm talking about.
No, I don't. Which "house bills" are you referring to? Why do they make McCrory a "homophobe" or "transphobe"?

3) Pat McCrory is racist.

Rolling back employment discrimination protections, and actively disenfranchising black voters through patently disgusting gerrymandering efforts.
How has McCrory "rolled back" employment discrimination protections for non-white individuals? I hate to break it to you, but McCrory does not draw the districts for North Carolina. You might could say he encourages gerrymandering, but that would not even make sense:

"State legislators 'made the best of a bad situation' when they adopted new U.S. House districts for North Carolina last week but the argument over the districts illustrates the need for a nonpartisan redistricting process, Gov. Pat McCrory said."
Source: http://www.citizen-times.com...

4) Pat McCrory is a bigot.

See the house bills.
Which ones? How do the "house bills" show that he is a bigot?

5) Pat McCrory has lost the election.

See the vote count.
All of the votes have not been counted yet.

6) Each and every aspect of my response is mistaken.

correct
Yeah, I gather you agree with the statement as it is YOUR statement. However, can you prove it? Can you provide evidence?

Unless you provide evidence, I must assume that you retract the statements.
And this statement still stands.
"If a man does not put himself in the attitude of a sinner, his prayer will not be heard before God." A brother asked him, "what is a sinful soul?" And St. Abba Moses replied, "Everyone who bears his own sins, and does not consider those of his companion."
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11/22/2016 11:14:28 PM
Posted: 1 week ago
At 11/22/2016 10:45:35 PM, Scruggs wrote:
At 11/22/2016 10:37:34 PM, YYW wrote:

I don't really see the point of discussing this with you further.
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11/22/2016 11:29:02 PM
Posted: 1 week ago
At 11/22/2016 10:16:58 PM, YYW wrote:
At 11/22/2016 10:04:50 PM, TN05 wrote:
At 11/22/2016 9:59:01 PM, YYW wrote:
At 11/22/2016 9:55:32 PM, TN05 wrote:
Maybe you should read my post again, you'll get the gist.

Dude, when you want to be snide... you have to be right. Here, you're not.

Since you want me to spell it out for you: I take your opposition to McCrory's right to recount as opposition to all recounts.

I understand, which is why you failed to read. I never said I was opposed to an NC recount.

This, again, is why you need to read more carefully and precisely.

Should Hillary call for a recount in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania? http://nymag.com...
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11/22/2016 11:45:28 PM
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At 11/22/2016 11:14:28 PM, YYW wrote:
At 11/22/2016 10:45:35 PM, Scruggs wrote:
At 11/22/2016 10:37:34 PM, YYW wrote:

I don't really see the point of discussing this with you further.
"Unless you provide evidence, I must assume that you retract the statements."
"If a man does not put himself in the attitude of a sinner, his prayer will not be heard before God." A brother asked him, "what is a sinful soul?" And St. Abba Moses replied, "Everyone who bears his own sins, and does not consider those of his companion."
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11/23/2016 3:11:10 AM
Posted: 1 week ago
At 11/22/2016 11:45:28 PM, Scruggs wrote:
At 11/22/2016 11:14:28 PM, YYW wrote:
At 11/22/2016 10:45:35 PM, Scruggs wrote:
At 11/22/2016 10:37:34 PM, YYW wrote:

I don't really see the point of discussing this with you further.
"Unless you provide evidence, I must assume that you retract the statements."

It's clear to me that you are incapable of seeing the irony of that statement, have no competent grasp of the concept of voter fraud, and in general would defend to the point of absurdity your political figure despite the obvious fact that he is a threat to democratic integrity.
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11/23/2016 3:27:37 AM
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At 11/21/2016 11:19:13 PM, YYW wrote:
At 11/21/2016 11:08:42 PM, imabench wrote:
He may be terrible, but he still doesnt hold a candle to the sh*t-stain-on-democracy-and-governance that Kansas is dealing with under Sam Brownback.

Glad to see him about to get kicked out the door though

They're about equally as bad, it's just that Brownback gets more press time.

McCrory is the shit_of_the earth.

KS politics is cr@p, even Mary Piltcher-Cook was re-elected, though just barely. I would say a Democrat would definately win the governorship by 2018. In a state where even big business begs the government to raise their taxes, you know something has gone wrong.
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