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11/25/2016 3:02:29 PM
Posted: 2 weeks ago
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This guy wants food stamp recipients to be drug-tested, and he's out busting rails getting wasted. If food stamp-recipients are blowing tax dollars on drugs, why does he think he can do the same, being paid through taxes exorbitant amounts of money to make the laws that control us?

Drug warriors cannot be reconciled with reality, they want prescription drugs legal, alcohol to be legal to all, yet certain substances to be illegal even though they aren't half as dangerous as alcohol. All conservatives are nothing but fascists, they appreciate ONLY the freedoms they have a taste for (e.g., guns, free access to natural resources, freedom of expression in regards to race and sexuality) but will stomp out the freedoms of anybody who doesn't represent what they consider "American" enough to be protected.

There are a great many of us who are waiting and hoping to see Trump bring some logic to the Republican party with a more libertarian edge, but so far he doesn't seem poised to do that.
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11/25/2016 3:19:02 PM
Posted: 2 weeks ago
At 11/25/2016 3:02:29 PM, R0b1Billion wrote:
http://m.huffpost.com...

This guy wants food stamp recipients to be drug-tested, and he's out busting rails getting wasted. If food stamp-recipients are blowing tax dollars on drugs, why does he think he can do the same, being paid through taxes exorbitant amounts of money to make the laws that control us?

Drug warriors cannot be reconciled with reality, they want prescription drugs legal, alcohol to be legal to all, yet certain substances to be illegal even though they aren't half as dangerous as alcohol. All conservatives are nothing but fascists, they appreciate ONLY the freedoms they have a taste for (e.g., guns, free access to natural resources, freedom of expression in regards to race and sexuality) but will stomp out the freedoms of anybody who doesn't represent what they consider "American" enough to be protected.

There are a great many of us who are waiting and hoping to see Trump bring some logic to the Republican party with a more libertarian edge, but so far he doesn't seem poised to do that.

There was a time when the entire country remembered exactly what those certain illegal drugs did to people. I guess decades of exposure have numbed people to it and caused them to forget why the War on Drugs was started.
Some drugs are so powerful that they replace a person's normal desire to live with a desire only to get high on these drugs. That is, it becomes their sole purpose in life. They become shells of their former selves. This much, of course, would still be the case even if all drugs were legal. You can perhaps claim that the War on Drugs is even more harmful than these drugs, but not that many of the drugs in question aren't bad. At best, we should change our approach to rehabilitation, but under no circumstances should we encourage drug use.
It's unfortunate that this one guy proved a hypocrite, but that doesn't prove the WOD is bad.
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11/25/2016 3:26:43 PM
Posted: 2 weeks ago
At 11/25/2016 3:19:02 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 11/25/2016 3:02:29 PM, R0b1Billion wrote:
http://m.huffpost.com...

This guy wants food stamp recipients to be drug-tested, and he's out busting rails getting wasted. If food stamp-recipients are blowing tax dollars on drugs, why does he think he can do the same, being paid through taxes exorbitant amounts of money to make the laws that control us?

Drug warriors cannot be reconciled with reality, they want prescription drugs legal, alcohol to be legal to all, yet certain substances to be illegal even though they aren't half as dangerous as alcohol. All conservatives are nothing but fascists, they appreciate ONLY the freedoms they have a taste for (e.g., guns, free access to natural resources, freedom of expression in regards to race and sexuality) but will stomp out the freedoms of anybody who doesn't represent what they consider "American" enough to be protected.

There are a great many of us who are waiting and hoping to see Trump bring some logic to the Republican party with a more libertarian edge, but so far he doesn't seem poised to do that.

There was a time when the entire country remembered exactly what those certain illegal drugs did to people. I guess decades of exposure have numbed people to it and caused them to forget why the War on Drugs was started.
Some drugs are so powerful that they replace a person's normal desire to live with a desire only to get high on these drugs. That is, it becomes their sole purpose in life. They become shells of their former selves. This much, of course, would still be the case even if all drugs were legal. You can perhaps claim that the War on Drugs is even more harmful than these drugs, but not that many of the drugs in question aren't bad. At best, we should change our approach to rehabilitation, but under no circumstances should we encourage drug use.
It's unfortunate that this one guy proved a hypocrite, but that doesn't prove the WOD is bad.

Have much experience in rehabilitation science, neuropathic deficiencies at the DRD4 level?
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11/25/2016 3:29:05 PM
Posted: 2 weeks ago
At 11/25/2016 3:26:43 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
At 11/25/2016 3:19:02 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 11/25/2016 3:02:29 PM, R0b1Billion wrote:
http://m.huffpost.com...

This guy wants food stamp recipients to be drug-tested, and he's out busting rails getting wasted. If food stamp-recipients are blowing tax dollars on drugs, why does he think he can do the same, being paid through taxes exorbitant amounts of money to make the laws that control us?

Drug warriors cannot be reconciled with reality, they want prescription drugs legal, alcohol to be legal to all, yet certain substances to be illegal even though they aren't half as dangerous as alcohol. All conservatives are nothing but fascists, they appreciate ONLY the freedoms they have a taste for (e.g., guns, free access to natural resources, freedom of expression in regards to race and sexuality) but will stomp out the freedoms of anybody who doesn't represent what they consider "American" enough to be protected.

There are a great many of us who are waiting and hoping to see Trump bring some logic to the Republican party with a more libertarian edge, but so far he doesn't seem poised to do that.

There was a time when the entire country remembered exactly what those certain illegal drugs did to people. I guess decades of exposure have numbed people to it and caused them to forget why the War on Drugs was started.
Some drugs are so powerful that they replace a person's normal desire to live with a desire only to get high on these drugs. That is, it becomes their sole purpose in life. They become shells of their former selves. This much, of course, would still be the case even if all drugs were legal. You can perhaps claim that the War on Drugs is even more harmful than these drugs, but not that many of the drugs in question aren't bad. At best, we should change our approach to rehabilitation, but under no circumstances should we encourage drug use.
It's unfortunate that this one guy proved a hypocrite, but that doesn't prove the WOD is bad.

Have much experience in rehabilitation science, neuropathic deficiencies at the DRD4 level?

Uh, no?
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11/25/2016 3:37:21 PM
Posted: 2 weeks ago
At 11/25/2016 3:29:05 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 11/25/2016 3:26:43 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
At 11/25/2016 3:19:02 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 11/25/2016 3:02:29 PM, R0b1Billion wrote:
http://m.huffpost.com...

This guy wants food stamp recipients to be drug-tested, and he's out busting rails getting wasted. If food stamp-recipients are blowing tax dollars on drugs, why does he think he can do the same, being paid through taxes exorbitant amounts of money to make the laws that control us?

Drug warriors cannot be reconciled with reality, they want prescription drugs legal, alcohol to be legal to all, yet certain substances to be illegal even though they aren't half as dangerous as alcohol. All conservatives are nothing but fascists, they appreciate ONLY the freedoms they have a taste for (e.g., guns, free access to natural resources, freedom of expression in regards to race and sexuality) but will stomp out the freedoms of anybody who doesn't represent what they consider "American" enough to be protected.

There are a great many of us who are waiting and hoping to see Trump bring some logic to the Republican party with a more libertarian edge, but so far he doesn't seem poised to do that.

There was a time when the entire country remembered exactly what those certain illegal drugs did to people. I guess decades of exposure have numbed people to it and caused them to forget why the War on Drugs was started.
Some drugs are so powerful that they replace a person's normal desire to live with a desire only to get high on these drugs. That is, it becomes their sole purpose in life. They become shells of their former selves. This much, of course, would still be the case even if all drugs were legal. You can perhaps claim that the War on Drugs is even more harmful than these drugs, but not that many of the drugs in question aren't bad. At best, we should change our approach to rehabilitation, but under no circumstances should we encourage drug use.
It's unfortunate that this one guy proved a hypocrite, but that doesn't prove the WOD is bad.

Have much experience in rehabilitation science, neuropathic deficiencies at the DRD4 level?

Uh, no?

Yet you weigh in from articles on how the WOD isn't bad and how psychopharmacology... why people utilize intoxicants, works?

Not 1 positive occurrence has been a result of the War on Drugs. Not societally, not on individual liberties, definitely not financially.

Interesting question: what 3 non-military occupations have the highest addiction and suicide rates?
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11/25/2016 3:48:21 PM
Posted: 2 weeks ago
At 11/25/2016 3:37:21 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
At 11/25/2016 3:29:05 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 11/25/2016 3:26:43 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
At 11/25/2016 3:19:02 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 11/25/2016 3:02:29 PM, R0b1Billion wrote:
http://m.huffpost.com...

This guy wants food stamp recipients to be drug-tested, and he's out busting rails getting wasted. If food stamp-recipients are blowing tax dollars on drugs, why does he think he can do the same, being paid through taxes exorbitant amounts of money to make the laws that control us?

Drug warriors cannot be reconciled with reality, they want prescription drugs legal, alcohol to be legal to all, yet certain substances to be illegal even though they aren't half as dangerous as alcohol. All conservatives are nothing but fascists, they appreciate ONLY the freedoms they have a taste for (e.g., guns, free access to natural resources, freedom of expression in regards to race and sexuality) but will stomp out the freedoms of anybody who doesn't represent what they consider "American" enough to be protected.

There are a great many of us who are waiting and hoping to see Trump bring some logic to the Republican party with a more libertarian edge, but so far he doesn't seem poised to do that.

There was a time when the entire country remembered exactly what those certain illegal drugs did to people. I guess decades of exposure have numbed people to it and caused them to forget why the War on Drugs was started.
Some drugs are so powerful that they replace a person's normal desire to live with a desire only to get high on these drugs. That is, it becomes their sole purpose in life. They become shells of their former selves. This much, of course, would still be the case even if all drugs were legal. You can perhaps claim that the War on Drugs is even more harmful than these drugs, but not that many of the drugs in question aren't bad. At best, we should change our approach to rehabilitation, but under no circumstances should we encourage drug use.
It's unfortunate that this one guy proved a hypocrite, but that doesn't prove the WOD is bad.

Have much experience in rehabilitation science, neuropathic deficiencies at the DRD4 level?

Uh, no?

Yet you weigh in from articles on how the WOD isn't bad and how psychopharmacology... why people utilize intoxicants, works?

I've read a lot of drug literature released by the government and public educators from the 1980s and the 1990s. Back in the day, it was crystal clear to most people why a war on drugs was necessary (I might go so far as to say that it was a bipartisan issue at that time).
Yet listening to people today, you'd think that the harmless use of certain benign substances called Heroin and Cocaine was being cracked down on by the evil tyrannical government that just wants to fill prisons with black people. The public has almost completely forgotten the original rationale for the War on Drugs in some kind of fantastic exercise in collective amnesia.

Not 1 positive occurrence has been a result of the War on Drugs. Not societally, not on individual liberties, definitely not financially.

I imagine that the rate of illicit drug usage would be much higher today were it not for the WOD. Right now, it would appear that marijuana is the only illegal drug that's downright popular.

Interesting question: what 3 non-military occupations have the highest addiction and suicide rates?

I'm afraid I don't know the answer to this question. What are they?
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11/25/2016 3:57:27 PM
Posted: 2 weeks ago
At 11/25/2016 3:48:21 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 11/25/2016 3:37:21 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
At 11/25/2016 3:29:05 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 11/25/2016 3:26:43 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
At 11/25/2016 3:19:02 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 11/25/2016 3:02:29 PM, R0b1Billion wrote:
http://m.huffpost.com...

This guy wants food stamp recipients to be drug-tested, and he's out busting rails getting wasted. If food stamp-recipients are blowing tax dollars on drugs, why does he think he can do the same, being paid through taxes exorbitant amounts of money to make the laws that control us?

Drug warriors cannot be reconciled with reality, they want prescription drugs legal, alcohol to be legal to all, yet certain substances to be illegal even though they aren't half as dangerous as alcohol. All conservatives are nothing but fascists, they appreciate ONLY the freedoms they have a taste for (e.g., guns, free access to natural resources, freedom of expression in regards to race and sexuality) but will stomp out the freedoms of anybody who doesn't represent what they consider "American" enough to be protected.

There are a great many of us who are waiting and hoping to see Trump bring some logic to the Republican party with a more libertarian edge, but so far he doesn't seem poised to do that.

There was a time when the entire country remembered exactly what those certain illegal drugs did to people. I guess decades of exposure have numbed people to it and caused them to forget why the War on Drugs was started.
Some drugs are so powerful that they replace a person's normal desire to live with a desire only to get high on these drugs. That is, it becomes their sole purpose in life. They become shells of their former selves. This much, of course, would still be the case even if all drugs were legal. You can perhaps claim that the War on Drugs is even more harmful than these drugs, but not that many of the drugs in question aren't bad. At best, we should change our approach to rehabilitation, but under no circumstances should we encourage drug use.
It's unfortunate that this one guy proved a hypocrite, but that doesn't prove the WOD is bad.

Have much experience in rehabilitation science, neuropathic deficiencies at the DRD4 level?

Uh, no?

Yet you weigh in from articles on how the WOD isn't bad and how psychopharmacology... why people utilize intoxicants, works?

I've read a lot of drug literature released by the government and public educators from the 1980s and the 1990s. Back in the day, it was crystal clear to most people why a war on drugs was necessary (I might go so far as to say that it was a bipartisan issue at that time).
Yet listening to people today, you'd think that the harmless use of certain benign substances called Heroin and Cocaine was being cracked down on by the evil tyrannical government that just wants to fill prisons with black people. The public has almost completely forgotten the original rationale for the War on Drugs in some kind of fantastic exercise in collective amnesia.

Not 1 positive occurrence has been a result of the War on Drugs. Not societally, not on individual liberties, definitely not financially.

I imagine that the rate of illicit drug usage would be much higher today were it not for the WOD. Right now, it would appear that marijuana is the only illegal drug that's downright popular.

Interesting question: what 3 non-military occupations have the highest addiction and suicide rates?

I'm afraid I don't know the answer to this question. What are they?

In order (2014 last time I checked):

1. Doctor
2. Nurse
3. Lawyer

WOD started in 72-73. As for the contention on popularity, seriously just goigle opiate epidemic..
Cocaine is down because meth is stronger and columbians saw a dwindling market and shifted the higher end product to Europe on the late 90s.

In regards to imprisoning people: here any schedule 1 is a felony. Our jails are bursting at 175% capacity and county corrections is the largest detox center in a metro of 1.6 million. Police destroy the heroin at user levels and let people go: there is no place to put them. Why? War on drugs.

That sh!t from the 80s and 90s is just that: sh!t. Go to your local ER any AFTERNOON. Tell them you are writing a paper on detox. Ask how many are detoxing from drugs and alcohol compared to acuity needs. Your eyes will start opening. Interview some cops, judges, prosecutors. Ask them how the War is going.
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11/25/2016 4:19:02 PM
Posted: 2 weeks ago
At 11/25/2016 3:57:27 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
At 11/25/2016 3:48:21 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 11/25/2016 3:37:21 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
At 11/25/2016 3:29:05 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 11/25/2016 3:26:43 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
At 11/25/2016 3:19:02 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 11/25/2016 3:02:29 PM, R0b1Billion wrote:
http://m.huffpost.com...

This guy wants food stamp recipients to be drug-tested, and he's out busting rails getting wasted. If food stamp-recipients are blowing tax dollars on drugs, why does he think he can do the same, being paid through taxes exorbitant amounts of money to make the laws that control us?

Drug warriors cannot be reconciled with reality, they want prescription drugs legal, alcohol to be legal to all, yet certain substances to be illegal even though they aren't half as dangerous as alcohol. All conservatives are nothing but fascists, they appreciate ONLY the freedoms they have a taste for (e.g., guns, free access to natural resources, freedom of expression in regards to race and sexuality) but will stomp out the freedoms of anybody who doesn't represent what they consider "American" enough to be protected.

There are a great many of us who are waiting and hoping to see Trump bring some logic to the Republican party with a more libertarian edge, but so far he doesn't seem poised to do that.

There was a time when the entire country remembered exactly what those certain illegal drugs did to people. I guess decades of exposure have numbed people to it and caused them to forget why the War on Drugs was started.
Some drugs are so powerful that they replace a person's normal desire to live with a desire only to get high on these drugs. That is, it becomes their sole purpose in life. They become shells of their former selves. This much, of course, would still be the case even if all drugs were legal. You can perhaps claim that the War on Drugs is even more harmful than these drugs, but not that many of the drugs in question aren't bad. At best, we should change our approach to rehabilitation, but under no circumstances should we encourage drug use.
It's unfortunate that this one guy proved a hypocrite, but that doesn't prove the WOD is bad.

Have much experience in rehabilitation science, neuropathic deficiencies at the DRD4 level?

Uh, no?

Yet you weigh in from articles on how the WOD isn't bad and how psychopharmacology... why people utilize intoxicants, works?

I've read a lot of drug literature released by the government and public educators from the 1980s and the 1990s. Back in the day, it was crystal clear to most people why a war on drugs was necessary (I might go so far as to say that it was a bipartisan issue at that time).
Yet listening to people today, you'd think that the harmless use of certain benign substances called Heroin and Cocaine was being cracked down on by the evil tyrannical government that just wants to fill prisons with black people. The public has almost completely forgotten the original rationale for the War on Drugs in some kind of fantastic exercise in collective amnesia.

Not 1 positive occurrence has been a result of the War on Drugs. Not societally, not on individual liberties, definitely not financially.

I imagine that the rate of illicit drug usage would be much higher today were it not for the WOD. Right now, it would appear that marijuana is the only illegal drug that's downright popular.

Interesting question: what 3 non-military occupations have the highest addiction and suicide rates?

I'm afraid I don't know the answer to this question. What are they?

In order (2014 last time I checked):

1. Doctor
2. Nurse
3. Lawyer

WOD started in 72-73. As for the contention on popularity, seriously just goigle opiate epidemic..
Cocaine is down because meth is stronger and columbians saw a dwindling market and shifted the higher end product to Europe on the late 90s.

In regards to imprisoning people: here any schedule 1 is a felony. Our jails are bursting at 175% capacity and county corrections is the largest detox center in a metro of 1.6 million. Police destroy the heroin at user levels and let people go: there is no place to put them. Why? War on drugs.

That sh!t from the 80s and 90s is just that: sh!t. Go to your local ER any AFTERNOON. Tell them you are writing a paper on detox. Ask how many are detoxing from drugs and alcohol compared to acuity needs. Your eyes will start opening. Interview some cops, judges, prosecutors. Ask them how the War is going.

There's around 70 million more people in America today than there were in the year 1990, so just looking at the sheer number of drug users isn't necessarily the best indicator of how the WOD is going.
About 23.6% of high school seniors (presumably in anonymous surveys) report having used illegal drugs in the past month. However, only 7.6% reported using illegal drugs other than marijuana. This could be influenced by a reluctance to admit drug use other than marijuana, but it probably isn't all that inaccurate.
https://www.drugabuse.gov...
This source suggests that, other than marijuana usage, illegal drugs are overall declining in use, or at least among teens.

I do, of course, support an overhaul of the way that we're waging it.
The drug trade is fueled by an open border, land and maritime, with Mexico. "Circa the late 1980"s, Mexican drug cartels became the dominant distribution channel for the illegal drug trade in the U.S."
http://foreignpolicyblogs.com...
If we stop that flow (along with the drug flow from Golden Triangle), illegal drugs will become significantly more expensive, and millions of users may be forced to quit.
Also, I support a policy where we go after dealers and leave mere users alone.
Call me Vox, the Resident Contrarian of debate.org.

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11/25/2016 4:27:28 PM
Posted: 2 weeks ago
At 11/25/2016 4:19:02 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 11/25/2016 3:57:27 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
At 11/25/2016 3:48:21 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 11/25/2016 3:37:21 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
At 11/25/2016 3:29:05 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 11/25/2016 3:26:43 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
At 11/25/2016 3:19:02 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 11/25/2016 3:02:29 PM, R0b1Billion wrote:
http://m.huffpost.com...

This guy wants food stamp recipients to be drug-tested, and he's out busting rails getting wasted. If food stamp-recipients are blowing tax dollars on drugs, why does he think he can do the same, being paid through taxes exorbitant amounts of money to make the laws that control us?

Drug warriors cannot be reconciled with reality, they want prescription drugs legal, alcohol to be legal to all, yet certain substances to be illegal even though they aren't half as dangerous as alcohol. All conservatives are nothing but fascists, they appreciate ONLY the freedoms they have a taste for (e.g., guns, free access to natural resources, freedom of expression in regards to race and sexuality) but will stomp out the freedoms of anybody who doesn't represent what they consider "American" enough to be protected.

There are a great many of us who are waiting and hoping to see Trump bring some logic to the Republican party with a more libertarian edge, but so far he doesn't seem poised to do that.

There was a time when the entire country remembered exactly what those certain illegal drugs did to people. I guess decades of exposure have numbed people to it and caused them to forget why the War on Drugs was started.
Some drugs are so powerful that they replace a person's normal desire to live with a desire only to get high on these drugs. That is, it becomes their sole purpose in life. They become shells of their former selves. This much, of course, would still be the case even if all drugs were legal. You can perhaps claim that the War on Drugs is even more harmful than these drugs, but not that many of the drugs in question aren't bad. At best, we should change our approach to rehabilitation, but under no circumstances should we encourage drug use.
It's unfortunate that this one guy proved a hypocrite, but that doesn't prove the WOD is bad.

Have much experience in rehabilitation science, neuropathic deficiencies at the DRD4 level?

Uh, no?

Yet you weigh in from articles on how the WOD isn't bad and how psychopharmacology... why people utilize intoxicants, works?

I've read a lot of drug literature released by the government and public educators from the 1980s and the 1990s. Back in the day, it was crystal clear to most people why a war on drugs was necessary (I might go so far as to say that it was a bipartisan issue at that time).
Yet listening to people today, you'd think that the harmless use of certain benign substances called Heroin and Cocaine was being cracked down on by the evil tyrannical government that just wants to fill prisons with black people. The public has almost completely forgotten the original rationale for the War on Drugs in some kind of fantastic exercise in collective amnesia.

Not 1 positive occurrence has been a result of the War on Drugs. Not societally, not on individual liberties, definitely not financially.

I imagine that the rate of illicit drug usage would be much higher today were it not for the WOD. Right now, it would appear that marijuana is the only illegal drug that's downright popular.

Interesting question: what 3 non-military occupations have the highest addiction and suicide rates?

I'm afraid I don't know the answer to this question. What are they?

In order (2014 last time I checked):

1. Doctor
2. Nurse
3. Lawyer

WOD started in 72-73. As for the contention on popularity, seriously just goigle opiate epidemic..
Cocaine is down because meth is stronger and columbians saw a dwindling market and shifted the higher end product to Europe on the late 90s.

In regards to imprisoning people: here any schedule 1 is a felony. Our jails are bursting at 175% capacity and county corrections is the largest detox center in a metro of 1.6 million. Police destroy the heroin at user levels and let people go: there is no place to put them. Why? War on drugs.

That sh!t from the 80s and 90s is just that: sh!t. Go to your local ER any AFTERNOON. Tell them you are writing a paper on detox. Ask how many are detoxing from drugs and alcohol compared to acuity needs. Your eyes will start opening. Interview some cops, judges, prosecutors. Ask them how the War is going.

There's around 70 million more people in America today than there were in the year 1990, so just looking at the sheer number of drug users isn't necessarily the best indicator of how the WOD is going.
About 23.6% of high school seniors (presumably in anonymous surveys) report having used illegal drugs in the past month. However, only 7.6% reported using illegal drugs other than marijuana. This could be influenced by a reluctance to admit drug use other than marijuana, but it probably isn't all that inaccurate.
https://www.drugabuse.gov...
This source suggests that, other than marijuana usage, illegal drugs are overall declining in use, or at least among teens.

I do, of course, support an overhaul of the way that we're waging it.
The drug trade is fueled by an open border, land and maritime, with Mexico. "Circa the late 1980"s, Mexican drug cartels became the dominant distribution channel for the illegal drug trade in the U.S."
http://foreignpolicyblogs.com...
If we stop that flow (along with the drug flow from Golden Triangle), illegal drugs will become significantly more expensive, and millions of users may be forced to quit.
Also, I support a policy where we go after dealers and leave mere users alone.

Dude, where there is demand there will always be supply. That's why poppy is grown at altitude in Central America now: easier transport.

Forget websites. Do your own investigation. Go to NA, AA. Visit the county corrections. Call a prosecutor. Stop the next cop you see at a gas station.

Self reported studies are always flawed (especially since legal vs illegal weed is changing continuously). I'm telling you, not only is the War on Drugs losing, it's been lost for 35 years. Half my military career was in Panama. All we did was drug interdiction (94-2000, recalled 03-04).
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11/25/2016 4:46:45 PM
Posted: 2 weeks ago
Marijuana consumption by Colorado high school students has dipped slightly since the state first permitted recreational cannabis use by adults, a new survey showed on Monday, contrary to concerns that legalization would increase pot use by teens.

The biannual poll by the Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment also showed the percentage of high school students indulging in marijuana in Colorado was smaller than the national average among teens.
https://www.scientificamerican.com...

Based on existing empirical evidence, we expect that the legalization of recreational marijuana in Colorado and Washington will lead to increased marijuana consumption coupled with decreased alcohol consumption. As a consequence, these states will experience a reduction in the social harms resulting from alcohol use. While it is more than likely that marijuana produced by state-sanctioned growers will end up in the hands of minors, we predict that overall youth consumption will remain stable. On net, we predict the public-health benefits of legalization to be positive.
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11/25/2016 6:25:48 PM
Posted: 1 week ago
At 11/25/2016 4:27:28 PM, Stymie13 wrote:

Dude, where there is demand there will always be supply. That's why poppy is grown at altitude in Central America now: easier transport.

I would think this is so obvious especially since we have a well documented failure of the prohibition era. An era where people could still get drinks at an incredible, unsustainable social cost due to the crime revolving around the shadow market of alcohol.

But supply is even easier with today's technology with all the pharma knockoffs and homemade labs far easier to set up than a moonshine still.

Thinking the WOD is sustainable is the same thinking that liberals have that Bans on Guns is any help at all, when the supply is just so plentiful.

We really don't learn from our own history.
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11/25/2016 6:50:37 PM
Posted: 1 week ago
At 11/25/2016 6:25:48 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 11/25/2016 4:27:28 PM, Stymie13 wrote:

Dude, where there is demand there will always be supply. That's why poppy is grown at altitude in Central America now: easier transport.

I would think this is so obvious especially since we have a well documented failure of the prohibition era. An era where people could still get drinks at an incredible, unsustainable social cost due to the crime revolving around the shadow market of alcohol.

But supply is even easier with today's technology with all the pharma knockoffs and homemade labs far easier to set up than a moonshine still.

Thinking the WOD is sustainable is the same thinking that liberals have that Bans on Guns is any help at all, when the supply is just so plentiful.

We really don't learn from our own history.

No we don't. Chew, swallow, repeat is all most realize. Fighting on city data right now about Syria and Libya and the hysteria of trump before he is sworn in. Talk about trump derangement there? It dwarfs here. And I don't even like the guy.
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12/4/2016 2:52:54 AM
Posted: 5 days ago
In addition to the euphoria one experiences while under the influence of opiates, they show you the potential for happiness that resides within your own brain and this may allow you to think more positively at all times.
Because of the war on drugs, you are not allowed to know this fact.
While America has unlimited resources and doesn't lose wars, eventually we will have to surrender.
Some people NEED to get high.
We will be getting a President who is not a politician. Perhaps now our government will open it's eyes and see what is happening, and open it's ears and hear the truth.
I don't know if someday some one will invent a drug that will do what the opiates do without being addictive, but I don't know if someone won't.
I do know we need a new weapon to win the war on drugs, it's gotta be something that will attack the demand for the drugs instead of the supply.
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12/4/2016 6:23:47 AM
Posted: 5 days ago
At 11/25/2016 3:19:02 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 11/25/2016 3:02:29 PM, R0b1Billion wrote:
http://m.huffpost.com...

This guy wants food stamp recipients to be drug-tested, and he's out busting rails getting wasted. If food stamp-recipients are blowing tax dollars on drugs, why does he think he can do the same, being paid through taxes exorbitant amounts of money to make the laws that control us?

Drug warriors cannot be reconciled with reality, they want prescription drugs legal, alcohol to be legal to all, yet certain substances to be illegal even though they aren't half as dangerous as alcohol. All conservatives are nothing but fascists, they appreciate ONLY the freedoms they have a taste for (e.g., guns, free access to natural resources, freedom of expression in regards to race and sexuality) but will stomp out the freedoms of anybody who doesn't represent what they consider "American" enough to be protected.

There are a great many of us who are waiting and hoping to see Trump bring some logic to the Republican party with a more libertarian edge, but so far he doesn't seem poised to do that.

There was a time when the entire country remembered exactly what those certain illegal drugs did to people. I guess decades of exposure have numbed people to it and caused them to forget why the War on Drugs was started.

There was a time when everyone was on drugs, cocaine and heroine could be bought over the counter. A decade of exposure? You means decades of spending billions of trying to prevent its exposure? I don't think you know why the war on drugs exists.

Some drugs are so powerful that they replace a person's normal desire to live with a desire only to get high on these drugs. That is, it becomes their sole purpose in life. They become shells of their former selves. This much, of course, would still be the case even if all drugs were legal.

And what percentage of drug users ever get to that stage of addiction? Addiction has been found to be caused not by the effects of the drug itself, but by the lack of options a person has.

"Put a rat in a cage, alone, with two water bottles. One is just water. The other is water laced with heroin or cocaine. Almost every time you run this experiment, the rat will become obsessed with the drugged water, and keep coming back for more and more, until it kills itself.

But in the 1970s, a professor of Psychology in Vancouver called Bruce Alexander noticed something odd about this experiment. The rat is put in the cage all alone. It has nothing to do but take the drugs. ... So Professor Alexander built Rat Park. It is a lush cage where the rats would have colored balls and the best rat-food and tunnels to scamper down and plenty of friends: everything a rat about town could want.

The rats with good lives didn"t like the drugged water. They mostly shunned it, consuming less than a quarter of the drugs the isolated rats used. None of them died. While all the rats who were alone and unhappy became heavy users, none of the rats who had a happy environment did." http://www.huffingtonpost.com...

You can perhaps claim that the War on Drugs is even more harmful than these drugs, but not that many of the drugs in question aren't bad. At best, we should change our approach to rehabilitation, but under no circumstances should we encourage drug use.

Getting arrested, put in jail, losing your job and having your family torn apart are much worse than being high for a few hours. If a change is going to be made we should entirely abandon incarcerating users and fully fund rehabilitation efforts. When it comes to drug use and the government they don't encourage it any ways. Can you say the gov encourages alcohol or tobacco use? No. making weed, or any other drug for that matter legal would not be an endorsement and it would in fact improve the country. The war on drugs is a massive failure and the US in contrast to Portugal proves it.

It's unfortunate that this one guy proved a hypocrite, but that doesn't prove the WOD is bad.

Yes, the war on drugs is bad. And it's not just him that a hypocrite.
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12/4/2016 4:42:30 PM
Posted: 5 days ago
We have to consider the possibility that our government is fighting the war on drugs because the cartels are bribing them.
You may not agree with that, but you have to agree that the cartels make SO much money on drugs they could do this, and if this was happening, our government is getting this job done.
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12/4/2016 4:48:24 PM
Posted: 5 days ago
While all the rats who were alone and unhappy became heavy users, none of the rats who had a happy environment did."
Although many people die from using illegal drugs, these are people who need the drugs to put them out of their misery.