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TN05
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11/25/2016 9:41:55 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
With all the talk of Trump's upset, many people aren't focusing on Puerto Rico - even less than usual. But this just might be the chance statehood advocates were looking for.

Puerto Rico elected a Republican, Jenniffer Gonzalez, as their Resident Commissioner. The Resident Commissioner is a non-voting delegate to Congress and serves a four-year term. Gonzalez is a member of the pro-statehood New Progressive Party (NPP). Additionally, the NPP secured a win in the governor's race with Ricardo Rossello. Russello is apparently a Democrat, but is extremely conservative relative to national Democrats. He's socially conservative and is willing to make massive cuts to public spending - a major hang-up to Republican leaders, who are concerned by the financial crisis there - to do it. In effect, he's a fiscal conservative. http://latino.foxnews.com...)

Of course, Trump and the GOP have to support statehood for it to happen... and they do, conditionally. And with leaders like Gonzalez and Rossello emerging, they might have reason to think Puerto Rico might not be as blue a state as once thought. A vast majority of Puerto Ricans are religious, including a majority that are Catholic. The cosmopolitan, coastal social liberalism of the modern Democratic Party doesn't sell well. That being said, Trumpism doesn't either. Puerto Rico voting Republican would be a stretch - but being a blue lock? It's not entirely likely either.

In effect: Puerto Rican leaders are well-positioned to promote statehood. With a governor who wants to cut spending and become a state, and a Republican delegate being elected, Republicans might be more receptive to their voice.
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11/25/2016 9:53:24 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/25/2016 9:41:55 PM, TN05 wrote:
With all the talk of Trump's upset, many people aren't focusing on Puerto Rico - even less than usual. But this just might be the chance statehood advocates were looking for.

Puerto Rico elected a Republican, Jenniffer Gonzalez, as their Resident Commissioner. The Resident Commissioner is a non-voting delegate to Congress and serves a four-year term. Gonzalez is a member of the pro-statehood New Progressive Party (NPP). Additionally, the NPP secured a win in the governor's race with Ricardo Rossello. Russello is apparently a Democrat, but is extremely conservative relative to national Democrats. He's socially conservative and is willing to make massive cuts to public spending - a major hang-up to Republican leaders, who are concerned by the financial crisis there - to do it. In effect, he's a fiscal conservative. http://latino.foxnews.com...)

Of course, Trump and the GOP have to support statehood for it to happen... and they do, conditionally. And with leaders like Gonzalez and Rossello emerging, they might have reason to think Puerto Rico might not be as blue a state as once thought. A vast majority of Puerto Ricans are religious, including a majority that are Catholic. The cosmopolitan, coastal social liberalism of the modern Democratic Party doesn't sell well. That being said, Trumpism doesn't either. Puerto Rico voting Republican would be a stretch - but being a blue lock? It's not entirely likely either.

In effect: Puerto Rican leaders are well-positioned to promote statehood. With a governor who wants to cut spending and become a state, and a Republican delegate being elected, Republicans might be more receptive to their voice.

Not gonna happen. I'm not going to go through all of section 3 clause 2 but it's stacked against.
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11/25/2016 10:42:31 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
I hope that the US cuts them loose to be an independent nation. We have absolutely nothing to gain by keeping it as a colony and less still by admitting it as a state
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11/25/2016 10:42:40 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/25/2016 9:59:02 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
Right, we need to incorporate even more 3rd world cultures...why?

^^^
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: At 11/12/2016 11:49:40 PM, Raisor wrote:
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11/25/2016 10:46:11 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/25/2016 10:42:31 PM, thett3 wrote:
I hope that the US cuts them loose to be an independent nation. We have absolutely nothing to gain by keeping it as a colony and less still by admitting it as a state

They already have the best of both worlds. Everyone is an american citizen, with completely autonomous rule. Everyone that truly wanted statehood has already moved to one of the 50 to choose from.
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11/25/2016 10:55:25 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/25/2016 10:42:40 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 11/25/2016 9:59:02 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
Right, we need to incorporate even more 3rd world cultures...why?

^^^

Okay this is too harsh, but I really hope this doesn't happen. What's the point? Two more democratic senators, several more house members and more electoral votes for the democrats? No thanks...
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: At 11/12/2016 11:49:40 PM, Raisor wrote:
: thett was right
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11/25/2016 10:55:51 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/25/2016 10:46:11 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 11/25/2016 10:42:31 PM, thett3 wrote:
I hope that the US cuts them loose to be an independent nation. We have absolutely nothing to gain by keeping it as a colony and less still by admitting it as a state

They already have the best of both worlds. Everyone is an american citizen, with completely autonomous rule. Everyone that truly wanted statehood has already moved to one of the 50 to choose from.

It's an amazing deal for them, but I really don't see what we get out of it
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: At 11/12/2016 11:49:40 PM, Raisor wrote:
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11/25/2016 10:55:52 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/25/2016 10:42:31 PM, thett3 wrote:
I hope that the US cuts them loose to be an independent nation. We have absolutely nothing to gain by keeping it as a colony and less still by admitting it as a state

Not going to happen. Only 2% of Puerto Ricans want independence and Puerto Ricans here would raise hell, not to mention that would strip 3.7 million Americans of citizenship. The most likely scenario is that it stays a territory. No reason not to have it, really - it's of strategic interest.
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11/25/2016 10:58:27 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/25/2016 10:55:51 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 11/25/2016 10:46:11 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 11/25/2016 10:42:31 PM, thett3 wrote:
I hope that the US cuts them loose to be an independent nation. We have absolutely nothing to gain by keeping it as a colony and less still by admitting it as a state

They already have the best of both worlds. Everyone is an american citizen, with completely autonomous rule. Everyone that truly wanted statehood has already moved to one of the 50 to choose from.

It's an amazing deal for them, but I really don't see what we get out of it

A base in Carribean, more troops for military. Internal carribean trading partner. International waters.
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11/25/2016 10:59:32 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/25/2016 10:55:25 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 11/25/2016 10:42:40 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 11/25/2016 9:59:02 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
Right, we need to incorporate even more 3rd world cultures...why?

^^^

Okay this is too harsh, but I really hope this doesn't happen. What's the point? Two more democratic senators, several more house members and more electoral votes for the democrats? No thanks...

You'd love Puerto ricans. Extreme social conservatives, economic liberals. Basically Steve Bannon.
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11/25/2016 11:36:19 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/25/2016 10:59:32 PM, TN05 wrote:
At 11/25/2016 10:55:25 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 11/25/2016 10:42:40 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 11/25/2016 9:59:02 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
Right, we need to incorporate even more 3rd world cultures...why?

^^^

Okay this is too harsh, but I really hope this doesn't happen. What's the point? Two more democratic senators, several more house members and more electoral votes for the democrats? No thanks...

You'd love Puerto ricans. Extreme social conservatives, economic liberals. Basically Steve Bannon.

Yea I feel bad. But I'm still pretty sure it would be overwhelmingly democratic
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: At 11/12/2016 11:49:40 PM, Raisor wrote:
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11/26/2016 2:38:39 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/25/2016 10:46:11 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 11/25/2016 10:42:31 PM, thett3 wrote:
I hope that the US cuts them loose to be an independent nation. We have absolutely nothing to gain by keeping it as a colony and less still by admitting it as a state

They already have the best of both worlds. Everyone is an american citizen, with completely autonomous rule. Everyone that truly wanted statehood has already moved to one of the 50 to choose from.

Commonwealth status... the sovereign ;)
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11/26/2016 2:39:34 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/25/2016 10:55:52 PM, TN05 wrote:
At 11/25/2016 10:42:31 PM, thett3 wrote:
I hope that the US cuts them loose to be an independent nation. We have absolutely nothing to gain by keeping it as a colony and less still by admitting it as a state

Not going to happen. Only 2% of Puerto Ricans want independence and Puerto Ricans here would raise hell, not to mention that would strip 3.7 million Americans of citizenship. The most likely scenario is that it stays a territory. No reason not to have it, really - it's of strategic interest.

It's a commonwealth. Territory has different legalities.
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11/26/2016 2:40:23 AM
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At 11/25/2016 10:42:31 PM, thett3 wrote:
I hope that the US cuts them loose to be an independent nation. We have absolutely nothing to gain by keeping it as a colony and less still by admitting it as a state

Commonwealth. There is no legal American entity called colony.
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11/26/2016 3:00:54 AM
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At 11/25/2016 10:42:31 PM, thett3 wrote:
I hope that the US cuts them loose to be an independent nation. We have absolutely nothing to gain by keeping it as a colony and less still by admitting it as a state

^ This much is true. If Puerto Rico becomes a state then it immediately ranks near the bottom of every category in terms of education, income, earnings, etc. Puerto Rico as a state turns into a money pit that we cant just walk out on like we try to do with Iraq and Afghanistan. Its far better to cut them loose and let them rewrite any laws they need to in order to handle their debt
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