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Not The Land Of Opprotunity . . .

SuperRobotWars
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2/3/2011 5:00:40 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Do you believe that the U.S. is the land of opportunity http://critecon.wordpress.com... http://www.nytimes.com... ? Please tell why or why not.
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2/3/2011 6:07:53 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Define "Land Of Opprotunity."

We certainly have a lot of opportunities here in the US, but there are also plenty of opportunities elsewhere in the world.
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FREEDO
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2/3/2011 6:44:16 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
There is no American dream and there never was one. It has been a land by the few, of the few and for the few since it's very inception.
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2/4/2011 10:22:32 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
well i hear it's piss to get work over there.. while it's almost impossible here.. and cash opens up a whole load of opportunities.. like hookers! ...and ye can walk around with guns on ye.. how cool is that!
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TheAtheistAllegiance
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2/4/2011 2:35:09 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 2/3/2011 6:44:16 PM, FREEDO wrote:
There is no American dream and there never was one. It has been a land by the few, of the few and for the few since it's very inception.

The American Dream used to represent the political freedoms and economic opportunities that were once present only in the USA. So, that dream did once exist, but over time it has sort of lost its value in turn for just being rhetorical.
Caramel
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2/4/2011 4:32:34 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Opportunity is irrelevent. Achievement is what matters. Right now the income disparity in America is increasing, therefore achievement is dropping. Anyone who buys a powerball ticket has" "opportunity..."

Opportunity is just a way to give the people something, without actually giving them anything.
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TheAtheistAllegiance
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2/4/2011 9:16:12 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 2/4/2011 4:32:34 PM, Caramel wrote:
Opportunity is irrelevent. Achievement is what matters. Right now the income disparity in America is increasing, therefore achievement is dropping. Anyone who buys a powerball ticket has" "opportunity..."

Opportunity is just a way to give the people something, without actually giving them anything.

Opportunity gives people the ability to bring themselves up through society. What are we supposed to give them -- candy?
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2/8/2011 9:01:07 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 2/4/2011 9:16:12 PM, TheAtheistAllegiance wrote:
Opportunity gives people the ability to bring themselves up through society. What are we supposed to give them -- candy?

You're comparing apples and oranges. The problem identified by Caramel isn't the potential, upward mobility, but the unlikelihood of actualization. It's impossible to evaluate the opportunity without reference to the probability of achievement given the requisite sacrifice (which itself lowers the value of the opportunity). "Opportunity" in the sense of "Land of Opportunity" actually refers to a second-power opportunity, the artificial necessity ("ability") of a poor man's son to work harder or go with less than a rich man's son now in order to be on an equal footing later.
From the time of the progressive era with the rise of public schooling through the post-WWII period, capital invaded the time workers had liberated from waged work and shaped it for purposes of social control. Perhaps the most obvious moment of this colonization was the re-incarceration in schools of the young (who were expelled from the factories by child labor laws) such that what might have been free time was structured to convert their life energies into labor power.