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3/3/2011 6:43:10 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Before I start, I would like to make two things abundantly clear.
1. I do not want to start any kind of argumentation, I have a simple question that I would like a sincere answer to it.
2. I am a Christian myself, and my belief is firmly rooted. so pleas do not answer with the intention of trying to convince me/ or any-one else that God is not real, but instead simply answer explaining why you do not believe.

So my question is this, (as though you don't already know it) what is your reason for not believing in God?
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3/3/2011 6:45:36 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
the answer that you are going to get is "lack of evidence" from nearly everyone.
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3/3/2011 6:50:07 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/3/2011 6:43:10 PM, Hello-Orange wrote:
Before I start, I would like to make two things abundantly clear.
1. I do not want to start any kind of argumentation,

I thought this was Debate.org? lol.

So my question is this, (as though you don't already know it) what is your reason for not believing in God?

On an intuitive level, there simply is no impact of a God in my life, nor is there any immediate indication that he exists. I also oppose the idea of a God because he is merely an authoritarian dictator, except worse because he has power over the whole universe and his reign extends over everyone. God is like a cosmic Hitler. While it is certainly possible for such a being to exist, I do not wish for such a being's existence.

On a more philosophical level, the arguments for God do not hold up and can all be dismantled. There are also strong Atheistic arguments actually demonstrate God's existence in both a philosophical and scientific way.
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3/3/2011 6:52:46 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Define god, and I'll tell you if I'm an atheist or not.

Then I'll answer your question.
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3/3/2011 6:53:37 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/3/2011 6:52:46 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
Define god, and I'll tell you if I'm an atheist or not.

Then I'll answer your question.

I would say this if it made a difference for me.
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3/3/2011 6:57:01 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/3/2011 6:52:46 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
Define god, and I'll tell you if I'm an atheist or not.

Then I'll answer your question.

I'm sorry but no; I promise it's not a trick question, when I say God you can essentially infer exactly what I mean.
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3/3/2011 7:13:40 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/3/2011 6:57:01 PM, Hello-Orange wrote:
At 3/3/2011 6:52:46 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
Define god, and I'll tell you if I'm an atheist or not.

Then I'll answer your question.

I'm sorry but no; I promise it's not a trick question, when I say God you can essentially infer exactly what I mean.

There are many ways to define god. There are many ways to interpret god.

I don't believe in the traditional understanding god, because there is no reason to. No evidence, and it sounds very unlikely.
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3/3/2011 7:14:23 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/3/2011 6:43:10 PM, Hello-Orange wrote:
Before I start, I would like to make two things abundantly clear.
1. I do not want to start any kind of argumentation, I have a simple question that I would like a sincere answer to it.

I can do that.

2. I am a Christian myself, and my belief is firmly rooted. so pleas do not answer with the intention of trying to convince me/ or any-one else that God is not real, but instead simply answer explaining why you do not believe.

I can't promise I won't justify my non-belief to those who will attack my reasoning but I'll start off by simply explaining.

So my question is this, (as though you don't already know it) what is your reason for not believing in God?

1. Lack of evidence -- To make a claim like, "God exists" or even the assertion "God most likely exists", I would need conclusive evidence or stronger arguments than which exist currently. Neither exists.

2. Overall implausibility -- a sky-dictator is a little extreme for me to support. An omnipresent, omniscience, omnibenevolent, etc. being is a little extreme for me to support. The idea that a supernatural being which created this universe has a vested interest in what I do is a little extreme. A creator of the universe (even one that leaves afterwards or becomes part of it's creation) is a little extreme for me to support.

3. Authority -- I'm not one to bow down to authoritative figures anyways. :P
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3/3/2011 7:37:43 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/3/2011 7:14:23 PM, annhasle wrote:
At 3/3/2011 6:43:10 PM, Hello-Orange wrote:
Before I start, I would like to make two things abundantly clear.
1. I do not want to start any kind of argumentation, I have a simple question that I would like a sincere answer to it.

I can do that.

2. I am a Christian myself, and my belief is firmly rooted. so pleas do not answer with the intention of trying to convince me/ or any-one else that God is not real, but instead simply answer explaining why you do not believe.

I can't promise I won't justify my non-belief to those who will attack my reasoning but I'll start off by simply explaining.

So my question is this, (as though you don't already know it) what is your reason for not believing in God?

1. Lack of evidence -- To make a claim like, "God exists" or even the assertion "God most likely exists", I would need conclusive evidence or stronger arguments than which exist currently. Neither exists.

2. Overall implausibility -- a sky-dictator is a little extreme for me to support. An omnipresent, omniscience, omnibenevolent, etc. being is a little extreme for me to support. The idea that a supernatural being which created this universe has a vested interest in what I do is a little extreme. A creator of the universe (even one that leaves afterwards or becomes part of it's creation) is a little extreme for me to support.

3. Authority -- I'm not one to bow down to authoritative figures anyways. :P

Thank you sincerely for your answers! I am thankful you are willing to state your beliefs in such a calm, and sincere manner.

That said, we still need to debate Morality Ann :3
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3/3/2011 7:45:05 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/3/2011 6:45:36 PM, OreEle wrote:
the answer that you are going to get is "lack of evidence" from nearly everyone.

Yeah, after the first couple of responses I think the same; but you never know right? some-one might not believe in God for a different reason altogether.
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3/3/2011 7:47:39 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/3/2011 7:37:43 PM, Hello-Orange wrote:
At 3/3/2011 7:14:23 PM, annhasle wrote:
At 3/3/2011 6:43:10 PM, Hello-Orange wrote:
Before I start, I would like to make two things abundantly clear.
1. I do not want to start any kind of argumentation, I have a simple question that I would like a sincere answer to it.

I can do that.

2. I am a Christian myself, and my belief is firmly rooted. so pleas do not answer with the intention of trying to convince me/ or any-one else that God is not real, but instead simply answer explaining why you do not believe.

I can't promise I won't justify my non-belief to those who will attack my reasoning but I'll start off by simply explaining.

So my question is this, (as though you don't already know it) what is your reason for not believing in God?

1. Lack of evidence -- To make a claim like, "God exists" or even the assertion "God most likely exists", I would need conclusive evidence or stronger arguments than which exist currently. Neither exists.

2. Overall implausibility -- a sky-dictator is a little extreme for me to support. An omnipresent, omniscience, omnibenevolent, etc. being is a little extreme for me to support. The idea that a supernatural being which created this universe has a vested interest in what I do is a little extreme. A creator of the universe (even one that leaves afterwards or becomes part of it's creation) is a little extreme for me to support.

3. Authority -- I'm not one to bow down to authoritative figures anyways. :P

Thank you sincerely for your answers! I am thankful you are willing to state your beliefs in such a calm, and sincere manner.

Haha, no problem whatsoever. :)

That said, we still need to debate Morality Ann :3

Yes we do! What is your moral stance?
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3/3/2011 7:58:44 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
This is to Ann-

My stance on morality is pretty conservative. I believe that a common morality is incredibly important to have a well functioning society; but I also believe that morality is incredibly vague, so there could never be a single set standard for morality.

I also believe that for something to truly fall into the category of being considered morality, it has to be something more than an opinion, but must co-inside with a deep rooted sense of right and wrong; and adhere to that standard of what is right.

And am I correct in saying that you're a Moral Nihilist?
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3/3/2011 8:04:05 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/3/2011 7:45:05 PM, Hello-Orange wrote:
At 3/3/2011 6:45:36 PM, OreEle wrote:
the answer that you are going to get is "lack of evidence" from nearly everyone.

Yeah, after the first couple of responses I think the same; but you never know right? some-one might not believe in God for a different reason altogether.

Did you even read my response? "Lack of evidence" was not my reason for disbelief in God. Go read it again.
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3/3/2011 8:06:21 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/3/2011 7:58:44 PM, Hello-Orange wrote:
This is to Ann-

My stance on morality is pretty conservative. I believe that a common morality is incredibly important to have a well functioning society; but I also believe that morality is incredibly vague, so there could never be a single set standard for morality.

Does your ethical standard stem from your belief in God?

I also believe that for something to truly fall into the category of being considered morality, it has to be something more than an opinion, but must co-inside with a deep rooted sense of right and wrong; and adhere to that standard of what is right.

Ah, there is something we can focus on -- the existence of a "deep rooted sense" of right and wrong. You believe that "right" and "wrong" are inherent in human relations?

And am I correct in saying that you're a Moral Nihilist?

Yes I am. :)
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3/3/2011 8:15:13 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/3/2011 8:04:05 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 3/3/2011 7:45:05 PM, Hello-Orange wrote:
At 3/3/2011 6:45:36 PM, OreEle wrote:
the answer that you are going to get is "lack of evidence" from nearly everyone.

Yeah, after the first couple of responses I think the same; but you never know right? some-one might not believe in God for a different reason altogether.

Did you even read my response? "Lack of evidence" was not my reason for disbelief in God. Go read it again.

I did indeed read your post. Did you read the latter half of my statements of this post? I conceded that there are going to be people (such as you) that do not believe in God for different reasons altogether
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3/3/2011 8:19:33 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/3/2011 8:06:21 PM, annhasle wrote:
At 3/3/2011 7:58:44 PM, Hello-Orange wrote:
This is to Ann-

My stance on morality is pretty conservative. I believe that a common morality is incredibly important to have a well functioning society; but I also believe that morality is incredibly vague, so there could never be a single set standard for morality.

Does your ethical standard stem from your belief in God?

I also believe that for something to truly fall into the category of being considered morality, it has to be something more than an opinion, but must co-inside with a deep rooted sense of right and wrong; and adhere to that standard of what is right.

Ah, there is something we can focus on -- the existence of a "deep rooted sense" of right and wrong. You believe that "right" and "wrong" are inherent in human relations?

And am I correct in saying that you're a Moral Nihilist?

Yes I am. :)

In order of you're questions asked,
1. Yes absolutely! before I was a Christian my moral and philosophical stances on many things where incredibly different! I was incredibly liberal in many areas (give I became a Christian around the age of twelve, so I wasn't too liberal.

2. No, no I don't. I believe that man is inherently born with a sinful nature, so until God calls them, they're going to believe in whatever they're going to believe. I believe that a true sense of right and wrong come from God.

3. I thought as much :3, I've read some of your other posts to indicate as much.
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3/3/2011 8:23:31 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/3/2011 8:19:33 PM, Hello-Orange wrote:
At 3/3/2011 8:06:21 PM, annhasle wrote:
At 3/3/2011 7:58:44 PM, Hello-Orange wrote:
In order of you're questions asked,
1. Yes absolutely! before I was a Christian my moral and philosophical stances on many things where incredibly different! I was incredibly liberal in many areas (give I became a Christian around the age of twelve, so I wasn't too liberal.

So our debate would be contingent on the existence of God then.

2. No, no I don't. I believe that man is inherently born with a sinful nature, so until God calls them, they're going to believe in whatever they're going to believe. I believe that a true sense of right and wrong come from God.

See above.

This could complicate our debate since you would be asserting that God gives us "right" and "wrong" while I would assert that his existence is not proven and therefore morality is a human construct. Our debate would be contingent on His existence instead of morality.

3. I thought as much :3, I've read some of your other posts to indicate as much.

Haha, and my profile says so. :P
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3/3/2011 8:27:58 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/3/2011 8:23:31 PM, annhasle wrote:
At 3/3/2011 8:19:33 PM, Hello-Orange wrote:
At 3/3/2011 8:06:21 PM, annhasle wrote:
At 3/3/2011 7:58:44 PM, Hello-Orange wrote:
In order of you're questions asked,
1. Yes absolutely! before I was a Christian my moral and philosophical stances on many things where incredibly different! I was incredibly liberal in many areas (give I became a Christian around the age of twelve, so I wasn't too liberal.

So our debate would be contingent on the existence of God then.

2. No, no I don't. I believe that man is inherently born with a sinful nature, so until God calls them, they're going to believe in whatever they're going to believe. I believe that a true sense of right and wrong come from God.

See above.

This could complicate our debate since you would be asserting that God gives us "right" and "wrong" while I would assert that his existence is not proven and therefore morality is a human construct. Our debate would be contingent on His existence instead of morality.

3. I thought as much :3, I've read some of your other posts to indicate as much.

Haha, and my profile says so. :P

No, I don't want to debate the existence of God, because I feel he cannot be proven beyond the shadow of a doubt to be true or false. That is something that comes down to faith.

I'll even go so far as to say that God has purposely made it so that he cannot be "proven" because he wants people to believe in him.

I can back this belief up with scripture if you so desire; but I'll choose not to include it here as I don't think you believe in the bible.
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3/3/2011 8:31:36 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/3/2011 8:27:58 PM, Hello-Orange wrote:
At 3/3/2011 8:23:31 PM, annhasle wrote:
At 3/3/2011 8:19:33 PM, Hello-Orange wrote:
At 3/3/2011 8:06:21 PM, annhasle wrote:
At 3/3/2011 7:58:44 PM, Hello-Orange wrote:
No, I don't want to debate the existence of God, because I feel he cannot be proven beyond the shadow of a doubt to be true or false. That is something that comes down to faith.

I'll even go so far as to say that God has purposely made it so that he cannot be "proven" because he wants people to believe in him.

I can back this belief up with scripture if you so desire; but I'll choose not to include it here as I don't think you believe in the bible.

It's not that I want to debate his existence (I'm not adverse to it either) but rather -- your entire argument would be predicated on him existing if he is the justification for your morals.
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3/3/2011 10:58:55 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/3/2011 7:13:40 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
At 3/3/2011 6:57:01 PM, Hello-Orange wrote:
At 3/3/2011 6:52:46 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
Define god, and I'll tell you if I'm an atheist or not.

Then I'll answer your question.

I'm sorry but no; I promise it's not a trick question, when I say God you can essentially infer exactly what I mean.

There are many ways to define god. There are many ways to interpret god.

I don't believe in the traditional understanding god, because there is no reason to. No evidence, and it sounds very unlikely.

Dude. you may have left the UU church but you still think like one :P
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3/4/2011 1:28:52 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/3/2011 10:58:55 PM, rogue wrote:
At 3/3/2011 7:13:40 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
At 3/3/2011 6:57:01 PM, Hello-Orange wrote:
At 3/3/2011 6:52:46 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
Define god, and I'll tell you if I'm an atheist or not.

Then I'll answer your question.

I'm sorry but no; I promise it's not a trick question, when I say God you can essentially infer exactly what I mean.

There are many ways to define god. There are many ways to interpret god.

I don't believe in the traditional understanding god, because there is no reason to. No evidence, and it sounds very unlikely.

Dude. you may have left the UU church but you still think like one :P

I went there for like a month and a half.

I agree with their principles.
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3/4/2011 1:33:20 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/3/2011 6:43:10 PM, Hello-Orange wrote:
Before I start, I would like to make two things abundantly clear.
1. I do not want to start any kind of argumentation, I have a simple question that I would like a sincere answer to it.
2. I am a Christian myself, and my belief is firmly rooted. so pleas do not answer with the intention of trying to convince me/ or any-one else that God is not real, but instead simply answer explaining why you do not believe.

So my question is this, (as though you don't already know it) what is your reason for not believing in God?

Lack of evidence. There appears to be no real case for God's existence. Specifically the Christian God can be shown to be self-contradictory so can not exist, other Gods I am not so sure about.
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3/4/2011 4:26:38 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/3/2011 6:55:46 PM, Hello-Orange wrote:
At 3/3/2011 6:50:45 PM, FREEDO wrote:
I don't believe in anything. Radical skepticism.

May I ask why?

Nothing is verifiable. All beliefs, including supposedly logical ones, at some point down in their chain of justifications will either end up circular or a dead-end(faith). Not even this statement is verifiable. This is why the only possible direction to go when one comes to grips with these realizations is also to relinquish the dogma of seriousness. It is necessary for me to make assertions, so as to communicate properly, it however doesn't mean I truly believe anything I say. My philosophy is play; game.
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3/4/2011 11:01:45 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
My reason for my non-belief is entirely personal.

Before I became an athiest, my best friend (we were more like one person in two different bodies) was so fired up about god that you couldn't help but agree with him, then one day, he cmopletely lost all faith. Completely gone. I tried to get him to talk about it, but he refused. He pretty much spiraled down into depression and on January 12th 2009 he killed himself. No one knows why. It really got me to wondering about how someone could lose their faith so quickly, and then it expanded to a thought line of "why would an all-loving, all-forgiving god let these kinds of things happen?" and then I decided I was fed up with having religion force-fed to me and gave it up.

Also lack of evidence... if God walked down the street and introduced himself, or if an actual blind person regained their sight, then I would definitely be open to changing my views.
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3/4/2011 11:32:56 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
So my question is this, (as though you don't already know it) what is your reason for not believing in God?

For the same reason you don't believe in Vishnu or Allah.
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3/4/2011 11:39:31 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
Mainly the problem of evil, but other things as well, such as the presumption of atheism, argument from non-belief, the problem of hell, the michael martin type arguments of contradictory attributes, naturalistic evolution, and the failure (as I see it) of theistic arguments.
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3/4/2011 11:49:10 AM
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Some might take my ease of claiming to be a part of another religion as a lack of conviction.

What they don't understand is that these are labels, and they have no meaning. Unless I'm required to follow a priest or something, I'm not going to have a problem.

These are meaningless labels. Many religions, which are more philosophies than anything.. Are easily compatible with each other.
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