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3/10/2011 6:34:10 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
Hi everyone, just reasoning out that life Yahweh has within himself, which is the same life the tree of life produces, that life is cool stuff. Thanks for any reasoning insights one has on this tree of life series.

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If one really thinks about it, having that good and bad knowledge is no guarantee that one will choose or incline towards the good. After all, that's what the serpent omitted in his speech, before Eve ate off the tree of knowledge of good and bad. The serpent said, "You are not going to die, but Yahweh knows that as soon as you eat of it, your eyes will be opened and you will be like divine beings, who know good and bad." It's true in one sense, but false in another; the serpent sort of omitted to point out, that its the power of moral choice alone, that is Yahweh like. The very action that brought Adam and Eve a Yahweh like awareness of their mortal autonomy, was an action that was taken in opposition to Yahweh. Yahweh knows that, that human beings will become like Yahweh, knowing good and bad; it's one of the things about Yahweh, he knows good and bad, and has chosen the good. For Adam and Eve to have true freedom of will, Adam and Eve have to have the freedom to rebel. This is why this tree is in the garden, next to the tree of life; instead, evil will come about as a result of the clash of the will of Yahweh, and the will of humans, who happen to have the freedom to rebel. Human beings, and only human beings are the potential source of evil, responsibility for evil will lie in the hands of human beings. Yet, evil is represented not as a physical reality, it's not built into the structure of Eden, evil is a condition of human existence, and to assert that evil stems from human behavior. The drama of Adam and Eve's life should revolve not around the search for eternal life, nor preoccupation with immortality; it was not in Yahweh's design for this kind of drama. It was Yahweh's design for the tree of life to have been eaten of, there was no danger to Adam and Eve going on eternally, being immortal. The eating off the tree of knowledge of good and bad, has caused a moral conflict and tension between Yahweh's good design for creation, and the free will of human beings that can corrupt that good design. Evil is a product of human behavior, not a principal inherent in the cosmos. Man's disobedience is the cause of the human predicament. Human freedom can be at one and the same time an omen of disaster, and a challenge, and opportunity.

So despite Adam and Eve's newfound mortality, humans are going to be a force to be reckoned with. They're unpredictable to the very Yahweh who created them. Yahweh has to modify his plan, by barring access to the tree of life; that was not something presumably Yahweh planned to do. Adam and Eve had access to this tree up to that point, as long as their will conformed to the will of Yahweh, there was no danger to their going on eternally, being immortal. Once they discovered their moral freedom, once they discovered that they could thwart Yahweh and work evil in the world, and abuse and corrupt all that Yahweh had created, then Yahweh could not afford to allow them access to the tree of life. That would be tantamount to creating divine enemies, immortal enemies. So Yahweh must maintain the upper hand in his struggle with these humans who have learned to defy him. And Yahweh maintains the upper hand in this, the fact that humans eventually must die. Yahweh stations the cherubim and the fiery ever-turning sword to guard the way back to the tree of life, once Adam and Eve were banished from the garden. The tree of life is now inaccessible; no humans have access to immortality, and the pursuit of immortality is futile. So it might be then that Yahweh really spoke the truth after all, the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and bad did bring death to humankind.
http://thatlifeyahwehhas.blogspot.com...
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3/10/2011 6:53:33 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
Nothing about the story of Adam and Eve makes a lick of sense.
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3/10/2011 7:02:22 AM
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It's just symbolism dude.
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3/10/2011 7:02:57 AM
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well shoot I should be more polite and call you by your full name seeing as how you took the time to copy and paste that from your blog.
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3/10/2011 7:04:35 AM
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oh never mind it's under someone else's domain.

(i'm watching you)
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3/10/2011 7:09:33 AM
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Unfortunately for you Rob Stoney you are too active in spamming your blog all over the internet
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3/10/2011 7:27:19 AM
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http://webcache.googleusercontent.com...
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3/10/2011 7:43:46 AM
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http://www.myspace.com...
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3/10/2011 7:54:48 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/10/2011 7:02:22 AM, askbob wrote:
It's just symbolism dude.:

Not to literalists
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3/10/2011 7:56:19 AM
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At 3/10/2011 7:09:33 AM, askbob wrote:
Unfortunately for you Rob Stoney you are too active in spamming your blog all over the internet:

He's self-important and the world needs to hear the things in his mind. :)
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3/10/2011 8:33:01 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/10/2011 7:56:19 AM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
At 3/10/2011 7:09:33 AM, askbob wrote:
Unfortunately for you Rob Stoney you are too active in spamming your blog all over the internet:

He's self-important and the world needs to hear the things in his mind. :)

Just trying to tell people about that life Yahweh has within himself, which is the same life that tree of life produces, which is the same life Yeshua got when Yahweh raised Yeshua from among the dead, which is the same kind of life we are going to get at the gathering together, cool stuff that life.
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3/10/2011 10:41:54 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
When I read the topic, I thought this was going to be about the Qabalah...
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3/11/2011 12:53:43 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
Ah... The tree of Knowledge..

Everything would be fine if you all just shut the fvck up, and quit asking questions.

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7/24/2014 5:09:51 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/10/2011 6:34:10 AM, newnature wrote:
Hi everyone, just reasoning out that life Yahweh has within himself, which is the same life the tree of life produces, that life is cool stuff. Thanks for any reasoning insights one has on thigation s tree of life series.

Post 1
If one really thinks about it, having that good and bad knowledge is no guarantee that one will choose or incline towards the good. After all, that's what the serpent omitted in his speech, before Eve ate off the tree of knowledge of good and bad. The serpent said, "You are not going to die, but Yahweh knows that as soon as you eat of it, your eyes will be opened and you will be like divine beings, who know good and bad." It's true in one sense, but false in another; the serpent sort of omitted to point out, that its the power of moral choice alone, that is Yahweh like. The very action that brought Adam and Eve a Yahweh like awareness of their mortal autonomy, was an action that was taken in opposition to Yahweh. Yahweh knows that, that human beings will become like Yahweh, knowing good and bad; it's one of the things about Yahweh, he knows good and bad, and has chosen the good. For Adam and Eve to have true freedom of will, Adam and Eve have to have the freedom to rebel. This is why this tree is in the garden, next to the tree of life; instead, evil will come about as a result of the clash of the will of Yahweh, and the will of humans, who happen to have the freedom to rebel. Human beings, and only human beings are the potential source of evil, responsibility for evil will lie in the hands of human beings. Yet, evil is represented not as a physical reality, it's not built into the structure of Eden, evil is a condition of human existence, and to assert that evil stems from human behavior. The drama of Adam and Eve's life should revolve not around the search for eternal life, nor preoccupation with immortality; it was not in Yahweh's design for this kind of drama. It was Yahweh's design for the tree of life to have been eaten of, there was no danger to Adam and Eve going on eternally, being immortal. The eating off the tree of knowledge of good and bad, has caused a moral conflict and tension between Yahweh's good design for creation, and the free will of human beings that can corrupt that good design. Evil is a product of human behavior, not a principal inherent in the cosmos. Man's disobedience is the cause of the human predicament. Human freedom can be at one and the same time an omen of disaster, and a challenge, and opportunity.

So despite Adam and Eve's newfound mortality, humans are going to be a force to be reckoned with. They're unpredictable to the very Yahweh who created them. Yahweh has to modify his plan, by barring access to the tree of life; that was not something presumably Yahweh planned to do. Adam and Eve had access to this tree up to that point, as long as their will conformed to the will of Yahweh, there was no danger to their going on eternally, being immortal. Once they discovered their moral freedom, once they discovered that they could thwart Yahweh and work evil in the world, and abuse and corrupt all that Yahweh had created, then Yahweh could not afford to allow them access to the tree of life. That would be tantamount to creating divine enemies, immortal enemies. So Yahweh must maintain the upper hand in his struggle with these humans who have learned to defy him. And Yahweh maintains the upper hand in this, the fact that humans eventually must die. Yahweh stations the cherubim and the fiery ever-turning sword to guard the way back to the tree of life, once Adam and Eve were banished from the garden. The tree of life is now inaccessible; no humans have access to immortality, and the pursuit of immortality is futile. So it might be then that Yahweh really spoke the truth after all, the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and bad did bring death to humankind.
http://thatlifeyahwehhas.blogspot.com...

very interesting, YHWH gave the mitzvah (commandment) for men to not disobey. But YHWH did not save the tree of life could not be eaten,therefore they could freely eat of it.my thoughts are that we are commanded to not do evil out of obligation, but we are to do good because we've received grace? Yeshua is the symbol of the tree of life (ets chaim).
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7/24/2014 5:25:19 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
It's time to realize the Second Genesis is pure Hebrew propaganda promoting their tribal war god, Yahweh, who wasn't all there in the mental or moral department and thus spawns believers in same category who don't realize Yahweh lied to his created creatures, Adam and Eve, in order to get them to obey him. The lie was Yahweh told Adam and Eve they would die in the DAY they ate of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil yet look at Genesis 5 and see that our boy Adam lived to be 930 years old, some threat of death in the day he ate the apple, eh? Poor Eve, she is so abused by Yahweh, and so belittled in place of the supreme power the Tree of Life as Asherah, she doesn't rate any mention of her death. The Great Goddess of ancient Canaan was Asherah and Her moniker always being the Tree of Life going back to Sumerian and Babylonia bas-relief murals displaying Her as this Icon that She enjoyed in pagan Canaan. That second Genesis is all about establishing Yahweh as God the Father by eliminating the Divine Feminine from the Godhead, its' gone in Abrahamic religions with only ghosts left, Shekkinah, Holy Ghost, Sophia, all ephemeral and weak compared to the Great Goodesses like Asherah, Isis, Ishtar, Spider Woman, White Buffalo Calf Woman, who btw, is prophesied to return and has been seen by several now in spiritual visions of Her return including your Celestial Torah Christian prophet-at-large.
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7/28/2014 8:22:34 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/10/2011 6:34:10 AM, newnature wrote:
Hi everyone, just reasoning out that life Yahweh has within himself, which is the same life the tree of life produces, that life is cool stuff. Thanks for any reasoning insights one has on this tree of life series.

Post 1
If one really thinks about it, having that good and bad knowledge is no guarantee that one will choose or incline towards the good. After all, that's what the serpent omitted in his speech, before Eve ate off the tree of knowledge of good and bad. The serpent said, "You are not going to die, but Yahweh knows that as soon as you eat of it, your eyes will be opened and you will be like divine beings, who know good and bad." It's true in one sense, but false in another; the serpent sort of omitted to point out, that its the power of moral choice alone, that is Yahweh like. The very action that brought Adam and Eve a Yahweh like awareness of their mortal autonomy, was an action that was taken in opposition to Yahweh. Yahweh knows that, that human beings will become like Yahweh, knowing good and bad; it's one of the things about Yahweh, he knows good and bad, and has chosen the good. For Adam and Eve to have true freedom of will, Adam and Eve have to have the freedom to rebel. This is why this tree is in the garden, next to the tree of life; instead, evil will come about as a result of the clash of the will of Yahweh, and the will of humans, who happen to have the freedom to rebel. Human beings, and only human beings are the potential source of evil, responsibility for evil will lie in the hands of human beings. Yet, evil is represented not as a physical reality, it's not built into the structure of Eden, evil is a condition of human existence, and to assert that evil stems from human behavior. The drama of Adam and Eve's life should revolve not around the search for eternal life, nor preoccupation with immortality; it was not in Yahweh's design for this kind of drama. It was Yahweh's design for the tree of life to have been eaten of, there was no danger to Adam and Eve going on eternally, being immortal. The eating off the tree of knowledge of good and bad, has caused a moral conflict and tension between Yahweh's good design for creation, and the free will of human beings that can corrupt that good design. Evil is a product of human behavior, not a principal inherent in the cosmos. Man's disobedience is the cause of the human predicament. Human freedom can be at one and the same time an omen of disaster, and a challenge, and opportunity.

So despite Adam and Eve's newfound mortality, humans are going to be a force to be reckoned with. They're unpredictable to the very Yahweh who created them. Yahweh has to modify his plan, by barring access to the tree of life; that was not something presumably Yahweh planned to do. Adam and Eve had access to this tree up to that point, as long as their will conformed to the will of Yahweh, there was no danger to their going on eternally, being immortal. Once they discovered their moral freedom, once they discovered that they could thwart Yahweh and work evil in the world, and abuse and corrupt all that Yahweh had created, then Yahweh could not afford to allow them access to the tree of life. That would be tantamount to creating divine enemies, immortal enemies. So Yahweh must maintain the upper hand in his struggle with these humans who have learned to defy him. And Yahweh maintains the upper hand in this, the fact that humans eventually must die. Yahweh stations the cherubim and the fiery ever-turning sword to guard the way back to the tree of life, once Adam and Eve were banished from the garden. The tree of life is now inaccessible; no humans have access to immortality, and the pursuit of immortality is futile. So it might be then that Yahweh really spoke the truth after all, the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and bad did bring death to humankind.
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