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3/10/2011 9:26:14 PM
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If the world needs a creator and that creator is god then how did god appear out of nothing? Everyone needs a creator but when it comes to god it's all hush hush?
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3/10/2011 9:39:12 PM
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At 3/10/2011 9:26:14 PM, socialpinko wrote:
If the world needs a creator and that creator is god then how did god appear out of nothing? Everyone needs a creator but when it comes to god it's all hush hush?

...and my faith crumbles.
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3/10/2011 9:45:49 PM
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Don't cha know? God works outside the realms of the natural. He doesn't need a creator.
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3/10/2011 9:49:34 PM
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At 3/10/2011 9:26:14 PM, socialpinko wrote:
If the world needs a creator and that creator is god then how did god appear out of nothing? Everyone needs a creator but when it comes to god it's all hush hush?

God is an uncaused being by definition. It's an absurd question to ask the origin of something that doesn't have an origin. He's an eternal being. You wanna quarrel with the definition of God? Go ahead. While you're at, go contend the definition of "cat" too, see how far that gets you.

I have a question for you. What is the circumference of a square?
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3/10/2011 9:50:23 PM
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At 3/10/2011 9:45:49 PM, tvellalott wrote:
Don't cha know? God works outside the realms of the natural. He doesn't need a creator.

A God which creates reality is outside of reality. A God which is outside of reality is a God which is not real.
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3/10/2011 9:51:28 PM
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At 3/10/2011 9:45:49 PM, tvellalott wrote:
God works outside the realms of the natural. He doesn't need a creator.

Non-sequitur. Just because something exists outside the natural realm doesn't mean it's by proxy an eternal, uncaused thing. It's possible for things to have creators outside the natural realm. For example, angels have a creator, but exist outside the natural realm.
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3/10/2011 9:57:28 PM
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At 3/10/2011 9:51:28 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 3/10/2011 9:45:49 PM, tvellalott wrote:
God works outside the realms of the natural. He doesn't need a creator.

Non-sequitur. Just because something exists outside the natural realm doesn't mean it's by proxy an eternal, uncaused thing. It's possible for things to have creators outside the natural realm. For example, angels have a creator, but exist outside the natural realm.

True. :)
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3/10/2011 10:12:58 PM
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Let me offer a better answer; Man made God.
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3/10/2011 10:50:17 PM
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At 3/10/2011 9:49:34 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
I have a question for you. What is the circumference of a square?

The perimeter.
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3/11/2011 5:00:36 AM
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At 3/10/2011 9:26:14 PM, socialpinko wrote:
If the world needs a creator and that creator is god then how did god appear out of nothing? Everyone needs a creator but when it comes to god it's all hush hush?

Within your question are intrinsic references to time, space and matter, (where, when etc) these cannot apply to God as they are inventions of His:

In the beginning (time) God created the heavens (space) and the earth. (matter)
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3/11/2011 5:01:29 AM
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At 3/11/2011 5:00:36 AM, DATCMOTO wrote:
At 3/10/2011 9:26:14 PM, socialpinko wrote:
If the world needs a creator and that creator is god then how did god appear out of nothing? Everyone needs a creator but when it comes to god it's all hush hush?

Within your question are intrinsic references to time, space and matter, (where, when etc) these cannot apply to God as they are inventions of His:

In the beginning (time) God created the heavens (space) and the earth. (matter)

What existed prior to God creating those things?
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3/11/2011 5:07:23 AM
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At 3/11/2011 5:01:29 AM, tvellalott wrote:
At 3/11/2011 5:00:36 AM, DATCMOTO wrote:
At 3/10/2011 9:26:14 PM, socialpinko wrote:
If the world needs a creator and that creator is god then how did god appear out of nothing? Everyone needs a creator but when it comes to god it's all hush hush?

Within your question are intrinsic references to time, space and matter, (where, when etc) these cannot apply to God as they are inventions of His:

In the beginning (time) God created the heavens (space) and the earth. (matter)

What existed prior to God creating those things?

The word 'prior' relates to time; time is an invention of God; Eternity is outside, above and beyond, time.
The Cross.. the Cross.
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3/11/2011 5:08:35 AM
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At 3/11/2011 5:07:23 AM, DATCMOTO wrote:
At 3/11/2011 5:01:29 AM, tvellalott wrote:
At 3/11/2011 5:00:36 AM, DATCMOTO wrote:
At 3/10/2011 9:26:14 PM, socialpinko wrote:
If the world needs a creator and that creator is god then how did god appear out of nothing? Everyone needs a creator but when it comes to god it's all hush hush?

Within your question are intrinsic references to time, space and matter, (where, when etc) these cannot apply to God as they are inventions of His:

In the beginning (time) God created the heavens (space) and the earth. (matter)

What existed prior to God creating those things?

The word 'prior' relates to time; time is an invention of God; Eternity is outside, above and beyond, time.

Interesting rebuttal.
Let me think about it some.
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3/11/2011 5:10:05 AM
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At 3/11/2011 5:08:35 AM, tvellalott wrote:
At 3/11/2011 5:07:23 AM, DATCMOTO wrote:
At 3/11/2011 5:01:29 AM, tvellalott wrote:
At 3/11/2011 5:00:36 AM, DATCMOTO wrote:
At 3/10/2011 9:26:14 PM, socialpinko wrote:
If the world needs a creator and that creator is god then how did god appear out of nothing? Everyone needs a creator but when it comes to god it's all hush hush?

Within your question are intrinsic references to time, space and matter, (where, when etc) these cannot apply to God as they are inventions of His:

In the beginning (time) God created the heavens (space) and the earth. (matter)

What existed prior to God creating those things?

The word 'prior' relates to time; time is an invention of God; Eternity is outside, above and beyond, time.

Interesting rebuttal.
Let me think about it some.

Please do..
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3/11/2011 4:12:36 PM
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At 3/11/2011 5:07:23 AM, DATCMOTO wrote:
At 3/11/2011 5:01:29 AM, tvellalott wrote:
At 3/11/2011 5:00:36 AM, DATCMOTO wrote:
At 3/10/2011 9:26:14 PM, socialpinko wrote:
If the world needs a creator and that creator is god then how did god appear out of nothing? Everyone needs a creator but when it comes to god it's all hush hush?

Within your question are intrinsic references to time, space and matter, (where, when etc) these cannot apply to God as they are inventions of His:

In the beginning (time) God created the heavens (space) and the earth. (matter)

What existed prior to God creating those things?

The word 'prior' relates to time; time is an invention of God; Eternity is outside, above and beyond, time.

The same extends to the universe. Time, space and matter are all "within" the universe; rather than the other way around. The big bang is not the "start" for the same reasons as you have stated.

In fact, this argument is ripped out of a brief history of time. If he was dead, Steven Hawkings would be turning in his grave.
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3/11/2011 5:19:10 PM
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Using Ockham's razor we can then remove god from the equation as an unmoved mover is no longer needed.
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3/11/2011 5:25:12 PM
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At 3/10/2011 9:49:34 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 3/10/2011 9:26:14 PM, socialpinko wrote:
If the world needs a creator and that creator is god then how did god appear out of nothing? Everyone needs a creator but when it comes to god it's all hush hush?

God is an uncaused being by definition. It's an absurd question to ask the origin of something that doesn't have an origin. He's an eternal being. You wanna quarrel with the definition of God? Go ahead. While you're at, go contend the definition of "cat" too, see how far that gets you.

I have a question for you. What is the circumference of a square?

Kudos!!!
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3/11/2011 5:26:05 PM
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At 3/10/2011 9:51:28 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 3/10/2011 9:45:49 PM, tvellalott wrote:
God works outside the realms of the natural. He doesn't need a creator.

Non-sequitur. Just because something exists outside the natural realm doesn't mean it's by proxy an eternal, uncaused thing. It's possible for things to have creators outside the natural realm. For example, angels have a creator, but exist outside the natural realm.

Double kudos!!!
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3/11/2011 5:26:56 PM
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At 3/11/2011 5:00:36 AM, DATCMOTO wrote:
At 3/10/2011 9:26:14 PM, socialpinko wrote:
If the world needs a creator and that creator is god then how did god appear out of nothing? Everyone needs a creator but when it comes to god it's all hush hush?

Within your question are intrinsic references to time, space and matter, (where, when etc) these cannot apply to God as they are inventions of His:

In the beginning (time) God created the heavens (space) and the earth. (matter)

Keen observation! Kudos to you too!!!
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3/11/2011 6:31:57 PM
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At 3/11/2011 6:11:38 PM, Fatihah wrote:
Allah has no creater. Allah neither begets, nor is Allah begotten, and there is nothing like Allah.

Speaking of the platonian god of tvel, Allah was also created by Man.
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3/11/2011 7:43:12 PM
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I hate to say it, but some atheists still think that this is a good objection to the existence of God . . . it isn't. Even worse, people are claiming intellectual superiority without bothering to read the most remedial philosophy, and this is one of the worst aspects of New Atheism. It takes on theism is the most superficial level and sets itself up for a fall when the theist knows what they're talking about. In general, both theists and atheists (and probably agnostics as well) don't really believe based on philosophical argumentation (if indeed anyone does do this), and that's okay. Just don't think you're doing some profound philosophy when you ask a question which immediately displays your ignorance on the topic at hand, and don't expect to be taken seriously by people who have done the most basic philosophy.
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3/11/2011 8:00:58 PM
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At 3/11/2011 7:43:12 PM, unitedandy wrote:
I hate to say it, but some atheists still think that this is a good objection to the existence of God . . . it isn't. Even worse, people are claiming intellectual superiority without bothering to read the most remedial philosophy, and this is one of the worst aspects of New Atheism. It takes on theism is the most superficial level and sets itself up for a fall when the theist knows what they're talking about. In general, both theists and atheists (and probably agnostics as well) don't really believe based on philosophical argumentation (if indeed anyone does do this), and that's okay. Just don't think you're doing some profound philosophy when you ask a question which immediately displays your ignorance on the topic at hand, and don't expect to be taken seriously by people who have done the most basic philosophy.

This.
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3/11/2011 8:30:50 PM
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At 3/11/2011 7:43:12 PM, unitedandy wrote:
I hate to say it, but some atheists still think that this is a good objection to the existence of God . . . it isn't. Even worse, people are claiming intellectual superiority without bothering to read the most remedial philosophy, and this is one of the worst aspects of New Atheism. It takes on theism is the most superficial level and sets itself up for a fall when the theist knows what they're talking about. In general, both theists and atheists (and probably agnostics as well) don't really believe based on philosophical argumentation (if indeed anyone does do this), and that's okay. Just don't think you're doing some profound philosophy when you ask a question which immediately displays your ignorance on the topic at hand, and don't expect to be taken seriously by people who have done the most basic philosophy.

Give Socialpinko some guidance rather than a brow beating. He is sixteen and just believes in Athiesm because you guys and his friends are atheists.
Just a suggestion.
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3/11/2011 8:53:18 PM
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At 3/11/2011 5:01:29 AM, tvellalott wrote:
At 3/11/2011 5:00:36 AM, DATCMOTO wrote:
At 3/10/2011 9:26:14 PM, socialpinko wrote:
If the world needs a creator and that creator is god then how did god appear out of nothing? Everyone needs a creator but when it comes to god it's all hush hush?

Within your question are intrinsic references to time, space and matter, (where, when etc) these cannot apply to God as they are inventions of His:

In the beginning (time) God created the heavens (space) and the earth. (matter)

What existed prior to God creating those things?

Pretty sure it was "the waters," whatever the hell that means.
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3/11/2011 9:09:20 PM
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At 3/11/2011 7:43:12 PM, unitedandy wrote:

I hate to say it, but some atheists still think that this is a good objection to the existence of God . . . it isn't.

The big problem is that it is used often by individuals such as Dawkins, Hitchens etc., people who should know better.
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3/11/2011 9:30:51 PM
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At 3/11/2011 6:31:57 PM, Gileandos wrote:
At 3/11/2011 6:11:38 PM, Fatihah wrote:
Allah has no creater. Allah neither begets, nor is Allah begotten, and there is nothing like Allah.

Speaking of the platonian god of tvel, Allah was also created by Man.

Response: There's the statement. Where's the proof? What is obviously made up is the evolution and Big Bang Theory, a logic which is not based on intelligent design. Saying that the human race our you yourself is intelligent yet the origin of the universe is not from intelligent design is the most flawed of logic. For it's being stated that unintelligence created intelligence which is absurd because by definition, it's unintelligent. That clearly means that the origin of the Universe and life itself comes from intelligence design and all logical evidence shows that the intelligent designer is Allah.