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should hate cults be called religion?

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3/14/2011 10:47:49 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
the truth is we are not all the same.! some love to hate and its hot even if its destructive..!! hate was always succesfull..!! hitler was..! all who where preaching hate if not stoped where successful..!!
here is what i copied from a site called religion of peace i say its true:

Verses like, "Slay the infidels wherever ye find them," were issued during times of war, according to the apologists. They accuse critics who use Qur'anic verses to discredit Islam of engaging in "cherry-picking" (pulling verses out of context to support a position, and ignoring others that may mitigate it).

The Muslims who rely on this argument often leave the impression that the Qur'an is full of verses of peace, tolerance and universal brotherhood, with only a small handful that say otherwise. Their gullible audience may also assume that the context of each violent verse is surrounded by obvious constraints in the surrounding text which bind it to a particular place and time (as is the case with violent Old Testament passages).

The Truth:

The truth, unfortunately, is just the opposite. This is why new Muslims and non-Muslims alike, who begin studying the Qur'an and Hadith, are often confronted with an array of disclaimers and warnings by well-meaning Muslims who caution that it takes "years of study" to fully understand the meaning of certain passages. Neophytes are encouraged to seek the "counseling" of a Muslim scholar or cleric to "help them" interpret what they read.

It is not the verses of violence that are rare, unfortunately, it is the ones of peace and tolerance (which were narrated earlier in Muhammad's life and superseded by later ones). Neither is the "historical context" of these verses of violence at all obvious from the surrounding text (in most cases).

In the Qur'an, constructs and topics often come from out of nowhere and merge randomly in a jumbled mess that bears no consistent or coherent stream of thought. But, with external references to the Hadith and early biographies of Muhammad's life, it is usually possible to determine when a Qur'anic verse was "handed down from Allah," and what it may have meant to the Muslims at the time. This is what apologists opportunistically refer to as "historical context." They contend that such verses are merely a part of history and not intended as imperatives to present-day Muslims.

But "historical context" cuts both ways. If any verse is a product of history, then they all are. Indeed, there is not a verse in the Qur'an that was not given at a particular time to address a particular situation in Muhammad's life, whether he wanted to conquer the tribe next door and needed a "revelation" from Allah spurring his people to war, or if he needed the same type of "revelation" to satisfy a lust for more women (free of complaint from his other wives).

Here is the irony of the "cherry-picking" argument: Those who use "historical context" against their detractors nearly always engage in cherry-picking of their own by choosing which verses they apply "historical context" to and which they prefer to hold above such tactics of mitigation.

This game of context is, in fact, one of the most popular and disingenuous in which Muslims are likely to engage. Simply put, the apologists appeal to context only when they want it to be there - such as when the bellicose 9th Sura of the Qur'an, which calls for the subjugation and death of unbelievers, is at issue. They ignore context when it proves inconvenient. An example of the latter would be the many times in which verse 2:256 is isolated and offered up as proof of religious tolerance (in contradiction to Muhammad's later imposition of the jizya and the sword).

Islamic purists do not engage in such games. Not only do they know that the verses of Jihad are more numerous and authoritative (abrogating the earlier ones), they also hold the entire Qur'an to be the eternal and literal word of Allah… and this is what often makes them so dangerous
the most important source for muslim Arabs:

"And thereafter We [Allah] said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd'.".

- Qur'an 17:104 -

Any sincere muslim must recognize the Land they call "Palestine" as the Jewish Homeland, according to the book considered by muslims to be the most sacred word and Allah's ultimate revelation.

Ibn Khaldun, one of the most creditable
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3/14/2011 11:06:37 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/14/2011 10:53:37 AM, Grape wrote:
Agreed, let us abolish all the 'hate cults' as you so aptly describe them.

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com...

well blaming the victom just to be fair is what criminal minds like libs and muslims love but the results are not what we need...!!

should we realy condemn infidels just to be fair to jihadists?

we are aware that all have sin should we give every one the dead manalty.?

also read here on your point from same place:

The Muslim Game:

Bringing other religions down to the level of Islam is one of the most popular strategies of Muslim apologists when confronted with the spectacle of Islamic violence. Remember Timothy McVeigh, the Oklahoma City bomber? Why pick on Islam if other religions have the same problems?

The Truth:

Because they don't.

Regardless of what his birth certificate may or may not have said, Timothy McVeigh was not a religious man (in fact, he stated explicitly that he was agnostic). At no time did he credit his deeds to religion, quote Bible verses, or claim that he killed for Jesus. His motives are very well documented through interviews and research. God is never mentioned.

The so-called "members of other faiths" alluded to by Muslims are nearly always just nominal members who have no active involvement. They are neither inspired by, nor do they credit religion as Muslim terrorists do - and this is what makes it a very different matter.

Islam is associated with Islamic terrorism because that is the association that the terrorists themselves choose to make.

Muslims who compare crime committed by people who happen to be nominal members of other religions to religious terror committed explicitly in the name of Islam are comparing apples to oranges.

Yes, some of the abortion clinic bombers were religious (as Muslims enjoy pointing out), but consider the scope of the problem. There have been six deadly attacks over a 36 year period in the U.S. Eight people died. This is an average of one death every 4.5 years.

By contrast, Islamic terrorists staged nearly ten thousand deadly attacks in just the six years following September 11th, 2001. If one goes back to 1971, when Muslim armies in Bangladesh began the mass slaughter of Hindus, through the years of Jihad in the Sudan, Kashmir and Algeria, and the present-day Sunni-Shia violence in Iraq, the number of innocents killed in the name of Islam probably exceeds five million over this same period.

In the last six years, there have been perhaps a dozen or so religiously-inspired killings by people of all other faiths combined. No other religion produces the killing sprees that Islam does nearly every day of the year. Neither do they have verses in their holy texts that arguably support it. Nor do they have large groups across the globe dedicated to the mass murder of people who worship a different god, as the broader community of believers struggles with ambivalence and tolerance for a radical clergy that supports the terror.

Muslims may like to pretend that other religions are just as subject to "misinterpretation" as is their "perfect" one, but the reality speaks of something far worse.
the most important source for muslim Arabs:

"And thereafter We [Allah] said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd'.".

- Qur'an 17:104 -

Any sincere muslim must recognize the Land they call "Palestine" as the Jewish Homeland, according to the book considered by muslims to be the most sacred word and Allah's ultimate revelation.

Ibn Khaldun, one of the most creditable