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daley
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3/31/2011 7:45:18 AM
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At 3/31/2011 7:19:02 AM, Thaddeus wrote:
At 3/31/2011 6:33:20 AM, daley wrote:
Jesus is God according to the Bible: John 20:28; Acts 4:12. Anyone?

Big whoop?

serious comments only, please
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3/31/2011 8:04:50 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/31/2011 6:33:20 AM, daley wrote:
Jesus is God according to the Bible: John 20:28; Acts 4:12. Anyone?

John 20:28 only indicates that Thomas was convinced that Jesus was God. Thomas was human and could have been wrong. He was, after all, wrong when he doubted that Jesus was Jesus so his opinion is not worth much.

Acts 4:12 States that you can only find salvation through Jesus not that he was God.

And, if Jesus was God, how could he have been killed on the cross?
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3/31/2011 9:44:43 AM
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At 3/31/2011 8:04:50 AM, tigg13 wrote:
At 3/31/2011 6:33:20 AM, daley wrote:
Jesus is God according to the Bible: John 20:28; Acts 4:12. Anyone?

John 20:28 only indicates that Thomas was convinced that Jesus was God. Thomas was human and could have been wrong. He was, after all, wrong when he doubted that Jesus was Jesus so his opinion is not worth much.

Acts 4:12 States that you can only find salvation through Jesus not that he was God.

And, if Jesus was God, how could he have been killed on the cross?

He was also man
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3/31/2011 9:47:09 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/31/2011 7:45:18 AM, daley wrote:
At 3/31/2011 7:19:02 AM, Thaddeus wrote:
At 3/31/2011 6:33:20 AM, daley wrote:
Jesus is God according to the Bible: John 20:28; Acts 4:12. Anyone?

Big whoop?

serious comments only, please

Woah, do you know where you are?
Why kill people who kill people to show that killing people is wrong?
Thaddeus
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3/31/2011 9:48:25 AM
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At 3/31/2011 9:47:09 AM, Alex wrote:
At 3/31/2011 7:45:18 AM, daley wrote:
At 3/31/2011 7:19:02 AM, Thaddeus wrote:
At 3/31/2011 6:33:20 AM, daley wrote:
Jesus is God according to the Bible: John 20:28; Acts 4:12. Anyone?

Big whoop?

serious comments only, please

Woah, do you know where you are?

I has been said that I'm an awful person.
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3/31/2011 9:48:51 AM
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At 3/31/2011 9:48:25 AM, Thaddeus wrote:
At 3/31/2011 9:47:09 AM, Alex wrote:
At 3/31/2011 7:45:18 AM, daley wrote:
At 3/31/2011 7:19:02 AM, Thaddeus wrote:
At 3/31/2011 6:33:20 AM, daley wrote:
Jesus is God according to the Bible: John 20:28; Acts 4:12. Anyone?

Big whoop?

serious comments only, please

Woah, do you know where you are?

It has been said that I'm an awful person.

fix'd (my typing is a little off today)
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3/31/2011 10:12:18 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/31/2011 6:33:20 AM, daley wrote:
Jesus is God according to the Bible: John 20:28; Acts 4:12. Anyone?

Jesus also walked on water, cured paralysis by forgiving sins, changed the chemical composition of water by muttering, and somehow broke the rules of thermodynamics.

Oh, and he's also a zombie.

I'd take the Bible with a (huge) grain of salt.
vardas0antras
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3/31/2011 12:38:16 PM
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At 3/31/2011 10:12:18 AM, JustCallMeTarzan wrote:
At 3/31/2011 6:33:20 AM, daley wrote:
Jesus is God according to the Bible: John 20:28; Acts 4:12. Anyone?

Jesus also walked on water, cured paralysis by forgiving sins, changed the chemical composition of water by muttering, and somehow broke the rules of thermodynamics.

Oh, and he's also a zombie.

I'd take the Bible with a (huge) grain of salt.

Is it really that hard to stay on the topic?
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3/31/2011 12:42:10 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/31/2011 12:38:16 PM, vardas0antras wrote:
At 3/31/2011 10:12:18 AM, JustCallMeTarzan wrote:
At 3/31/2011 6:33:20 AM, daley wrote:
Jesus is God according to the Bible: John 20:28; Acts 4:12. Anyone?

Jesus also walked on water, cured paralysis by forgiving sins, changed the chemical composition of water by muttering, and somehow broke the rules of thermodynamics.

Oh, and he's also a zombie.

I'd take the Bible with a (huge) grain of salt.

Is it really that hard to stay on the topic?

Well, apparently, according to the bible, the miracles are one of the evidences that Jesus is God.... Its the "Who else but God could possibly do this!??" sort of thing.... so yes, it is on topic, i suppose.
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3/31/2011 12:48:15 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
I will give simple responses.

At 3/31/2011 6:33:20 AM, daley wrote:
Jesus is God according to the Bible: John 20:28;
Ignoring the context.

If I get frightened and come to you saying, "Oh good God!" does it mean I called you God?

Acts 4:12. Anyone?
No claim of divinity. Jesus (peace be upon him) came as a savior.
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3/31/2011 12:49:20 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/31/2011 12:48:15 PM, Mirza wrote:
I will give simple responses.

At 3/31/2011 6:33:20 AM, daley wrote:
Jesus is God according to the Bible: John 20:28;
Ignoring the context.

If I get frightened and come to you saying, "Oh good God!" does it mean I called you God?

Acts 4:12. Anyone?
No claim of divinity. Jesus (peace be upon him) came as a savior.

But then again, Islam claims that the bible is corrupt, so it wouldnt really matter if the bible did or did not say "I am Jesus and I am God", would it?
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3/31/2011 12:52:26 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/31/2011 12:49:20 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 3/31/2011 12:48:15 PM, Mirza wrote:
I will give simple responses.

At 3/31/2011 6:33:20 AM, daley wrote:
Jesus is God according to the Bible: John 20:28;
Ignoring the context.

If I get frightened and come to you saying, "Oh good God!" does it mean I called you God?

Acts 4:12. Anyone?
No claim of divinity. Jesus (peace be upon him) came as a savior.

But then again, Islam claims that the bible is corrupt, so it wouldnt really matter if the bible did or did not say "I am Jesus and I am God", would it?
No, but it should matter to the Christians. Such an important statement should be found in the Bible being said by Jesus (peace be upon him), but that is not the case. I am being logical - I am not saying Jesus is not God because he said so in the Qur'an. I am saying to the Christian that he is not God because he said so in the Bible. I am addressing the Christians.
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3/31/2011 1:02:44 PM
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At 3/31/2011 12:52:26 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 3/31/2011 12:49:20 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 3/31/2011 12:48:15 PM, Mirza wrote:
I will give simple responses.

At 3/31/2011 6:33:20 AM, daley wrote:
Jesus is God according to the Bible: John 20:28;
Ignoring the context.

If I get frightened and come to you saying, "Oh good God!" does it mean I called you God?

Acts 4:12. Anyone?
No claim of divinity. Jesus (peace be upon him) came as a savior.

But then again, Islam claims that the bible is corrupt, so it wouldnt really matter if the bible did or did not say "I am Jesus and I am God", would it?
No, but it should matter to the Christians. Such an important statement should be found in the Bible being said by Jesus (peace be upon him), but that is not the case. I am being logical - I am not saying Jesus is not God because he said so in the Qur'an. I am saying to the Christian that he is not God because he said so in the Bible. I am addressing the Christians.

But it doesnt, because christians claim that the parables refer to Jesus as God.
Randall999
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3/31/2011 1:34:02 PM
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At 3/31/2011 6:33:20 AM, daley wrote:
Jesus is God according to the Bible: John 20:28; Acts 4:12. Anyone?

I am an atheist now, but from my past life when I was a christian in a bible church, yes we assumed Jesus was God, based on many things. Jesus said I am the alpha and the omega, that seems pretty clear as a way of saying he was equal to and was God.

I once had a preacher explain the Trinity to me in a way that made sense when I was religious-- Father, Son, Holy spirit, kind of like three facets or personalities of the same entity. Somewhat like a man can be a son, a father, and a husband, all the same, but yet different.
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3/31/2011 1:38:05 PM
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At 3/31/2011 1:34:02 PM, Randall999 wrote:
At 3/31/2011 6:33:20 AM, daley wrote:
Jesus is God according to the Bible: John 20:28; Acts 4:12. Anyone?

I am an atheist now, but from my past life when I was a christian in a bible church, yes we assumed Jesus was God, based on many things. Jesus said I am the alpha and the omega, that seems pretty clear as a way of saying he was equal to and was God.

I once had a preacher explain the Trinity to me in a way that made sense when I was religious-- Father, Son, Holy spirit, kind of like three facets or personalities of the same entity. Somewhat like a man can be a son, a father, and a husband, all the same, but yet different.

The problem with that explanation is that there is no contradiction in being a father and a son at the same time. But there is a contradiction in being a human and a God at the same time.

It wouldnt work if someone was a father and a daughter at the same time, would it?
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3/31/2011 1:43:29 PM
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At 3/31/2011 1:38:05 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 3/31/2011 1:34:02 PM, Randall999 wrote:
At 3/31/2011 6:33:20 AM, daley wrote:
Jesus is God according to the Bible: John 20:28; Acts 4:12. Anyone?

I am an atheist now, but from my past life when I was a christian in a bible church, yes we assumed Jesus was God, based on many things. Jesus said I am the alpha and the omega, that seems pretty clear as a way of saying he was equal to and was God.

I once had a preacher explain the Trinity to me in a way that made sense when I was religious-- Father, Son, Holy spirit, kind of like three facets or personalities of the same entity. Somewhat like a man can be a son, a father, and a husband, all the same, but yet different.

The problem with that explanation is that there is no contradiction in being a father and a son at the same time. But there is a contradiction in being a human and a God at the same time.

It wouldnt work if someone was a father and a daughter at the same time, would it?

Another problem is that with that analogy, you can be a father and a son to other people, but you can't be a father and a son because you yourself are your own father.

This may be one of the biggest absurdities of all time, being your own father.
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3/31/2011 1:45:15 PM
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Btw, since the Bible preaches against incest, how come Jesus had sex with his mom? Given Jesus = God, that's essentially what happened.
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3/31/2011 1:54:42 PM
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At 3/31/2011 1:43:29 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
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It wouldnt work if someone was a father and a daughter at the same time, would it?

Sex change operation? :)

Another problem is that with that analogy, you can be a father and a son to other people, but you can't be a father and a son because you yourself are your own father.

This may be one of the biggest absurdities of all time, being your own father.

No, it works. For example, I can be a father if I have children, and I am a son to my father/mother. And if married I am a husband. Father, Son, Husband, all me, just different facets of me, different relationships, different duties, different ways I act.

Mind you I do not believe in God, nor Jesus, nor the Trinity. Just pointing out one way to think of a Trinity that works. It is all an absurd notion ultimately, since it is fiction, myth.
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3/31/2011 1:56:34 PM
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At 3/31/2011 1:45:15 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Btw, since the Bible preaches against incest, how come Jesus had sex with his mom? Given Jesus = God, that's essentially what happened.

That is trippy, making me dizzy! And it is creeping me out!. Eew, I think I need to go take a shower just thinking about that!
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3/31/2011 2:39:28 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/31/2011 6:33:20 AM, daley wrote:
Jesus is God according to the Bible: John 20:28; Acts 4:12. Anyone?

Well I can see how those passages could be interpreted that way, but there are plenty others that would seem to suggest otherwise.

Try these for starters:

KJV

OT:
Exodus 12:3 "Thou shalt have no other gods"
Numbers 23:19 "God is not a man"
Psalms 146:3 "Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help"
Isaiah 46:9 "I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me"
Hosea 11:9 "I am God, and not man"

NT:
Mathew 19:17 "Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God:"
Mathew 24:36 "of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only."
Mathew 26:39 "O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt"
John 7:16 "My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me."
John 12:49 "I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me"
John 14:28 "my Father is greater than I"
Acts 2:22 "Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God"
1 Corinthians 8:6 "to us there is but one God, the Father"
Timothy 2:5 "there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus"
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3/31/2011 2:41:13 PM
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At 3/31/2011 1:45:15 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Btw, since the Bible preaches against incest, how come Jesus had sex with his mom? Given Jesus = God, that's essentially what happened.

I could've sworn i've explained to you multiple times that saying jesus is God isn't meant to be indicating a identity relationship - it's meant to to be a relationship of predication....
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3/31/2011 2:43:29 PM
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At 3/31/2011 1:43:29 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
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This may be one of the biggest absurdities of all time, being your own father.

If I clone myself, create another 'me', there are two 'mes', do I become my own father?
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3/31/2011 2:57:13 PM
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At 3/31/2011 1:43:29 PM, Geo
This may be one of the biggest absurdities of all time, being your own father.

Trinatarian doctrine doesn't say that j esus is the same person as the father - you assuming so is what generates this particular absurdity.
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3/31/2011 3:00:13 PM
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At 3/31/2011 2:57:13 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 3/31/2011 1:43:29 PM, Geo
This may be one of the biggest absurdities of all time, being your own father.

Trinatarian doctrine doesn't say that j esus is the same person as the father - you assuming so is what generates this particular absurdity.

I'm guessing that you can see how statements like the OP's "Jesus is God" create an impression that logically leads to that assumption.
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3/31/2011 3:03:44 PM
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At 3/31/2011 3:00:13 PM, feverish wrote:

I'm guessing that you can see how statements like the OP's "Jesus is God" create an impression that logically leads to that assumption.

In a sense, yes. In another sense, no. If i say my car is blue i'm not making an identity claim...
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3/31/2011 3:05:49 PM
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At 3/31/2011 1:54:42 PM, Randall999 wrote:
At 3/31/2011 1:43:29 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
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It wouldnt work if someone was a father and a daughter at the same time, would it?

Sex change operation? :)

Another problem is that with that analogy, you can be a father and a son to other people, but you can't be a father and a son because you yourself are your own father.

This may be one of the biggest absurdities of all time, being your own father.

No, it works. For example, I can be a father if I have children, and I am a son to my father/mother. And if married I am a husband. Father, Son, Husband, all me, just different facets of me, different relationships, different duties, different ways I act.

I already acknowledged that and addressed it. Yes, that is possible, but the analogy is not comparable for the reason I just listed. In your analogy, you are not the father of yourself, in the case of Christianity, it says you can be the father of yourself.

Mind you I do not believe in God, nor Jesus, nor the Trinity. Just pointing out one way to think of a Trinity that works. It is all an absurd notion ultimately, since it is fiction, myth.
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3/31/2011 3:06:37 PM
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At 3/31/2011 2:57:13 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 3/31/2011 1:43:29 PM, Geo
This may be one of the biggest absurdities of all time, being your own father.

Trinatarian doctrine doesn't say that j esus is the same person as the father - you assuming so is what generates this particular absurdity.

why is "the Father" greater than jesus?

is The Father "God"??

or is the entire trinity God?.. and Jesus just as much a part as the Father (and the spirit) is?
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3/31/2011 3:11:58 PM
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At 3/31/2011 3:06:37 PM, mattrodstrom wrote:
At 3/31/2011 2:57:13 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 3/31/2011 1:43:29 PM, Geo
This may be one of the biggest absurdities of all time, being your own father.

Trinatarian doctrine doesn't say that j esus is the same person as the father - you assuming so is what generates this particular absurdity.

why is "the Father" greater than jesus?

is The Father "God"??

or is the entire trinity God?.. and Jesus just as much a part as the Father (and the spirit) is?

what is The Father??

the trinity says a 3-part God.. Father, son, holy spirit..
They all make up "God"

is the Father "god" alone??

or is he just of the Type of "god"

and if he's just of the type... why's he better than Jebus who's Also of the type?

why is The Father's will the one that matters??

what if Jesus pulled a Satan move instead and embraced his own will??? would there then be Multiple "Objective" Goods??
"He who does not know how to put his will into things at least puts a meaning into them: that is, he believes there is a will in them already."

Metaphysics:
"The science.. which deals with the fundamental errors of mankind - but as if they were the fundamental truths."