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Could we do a PRAYER EXPERIMENT here?

Randall999
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3/31/2011 11:56:30 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
Interesting notion hit me-- what if we could come if with something to pray for, something neutral, something yet to happen, or not, that we could agree on to pray for. Religious folk here pray to their god, Atheists pray to their bottle of shampoo in their bathroom. Both do so daily, in earnest, in sincerity. We see what happens. Find out if and what gods answer prayers.

Supernatural deities versus Shampoo bottles.

Theists, are you up for the challenge? Discuss something to pray for? See if there is a statistical difference between theist prayer results versus atheist prayer results, the objects of prayer for each group?
Meatros
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4/22/2011 1:50:19 PM
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At 3/31/2011 11:56:30 AM, Randall999 wrote:
Interesting notion hit me-- what if we could come if with something to pray for, something neutral, something yet to happen, or not, that we could agree on to pray for. Religious folk here pray to their god, Atheists pray to their bottle of shampoo in their bathroom. Both do so daily, in earnest, in sincerity. We see what happens. Find out if and what gods answer prayers.

Supernatural deities versus Shampoo bottles.

Theists, are you up for the challenge? Discuss something to pray for? See if there is a statistical difference between theist prayer results versus atheist prayer results, the objects of prayer for each group?

This presupposes that atheists bathe and therefore have shampoo bottles. As an atheist, I'm not sure this is something we should grant... :-p
Gileandos
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4/22/2011 2:27:09 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
We would need to find a Thiest with God's ear. Just being a believer and even having met God does not grant you the ability to ask him for things.
Number Chapter 12( for explanation)

Second, it would depend on the request.
If you ask for people to pray to strike Obama dead, it would be presupposing your Will upon God's. Same with Ressurections, fireballs from Heaven etc.

This is only granted for the extremely obedient to God. (See Elijah, Moses, Elisha etc)

I may be able to petition God to ask for something specific to you as a revelation to you personally.
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4/22/2011 3:15:41 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/31/2011 11:56:30 AM, Randall999 wrote:
Interesting notion hit me-- what if we could come if with something to pray for, something neutral, something yet to happen, or not, that we could agree on to pray for. Religious folk here pray to their god, Atheists pray to their bottle of shampoo in their bathroom. Both do so daily, in earnest, in sincerity. We see what happens. Find out if and what gods answer prayers.

Supernatural deities versus Shampoo bottles.

Theists, are you up for the challenge? Discuss something to pray for? See if there is a statistical difference between theist prayer results versus atheist prayer results, the objects of prayer for each group?

I don't think you know what a prayer according to Christians is >.> though I can see this being a problem for some people.
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CosmicAlfonzo
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4/22/2011 4:57:22 PM
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There is nothing supernatural about prayer. The purpose of prayer is aide you spiritually in some way. Examples would be, reinforcing mental and emotional stability, and keeping steadfast in what you know is right.

It is all completely psychological. This "name it and claim it" or "praying for ones desires" are not only shallow minded and absurd to the highest degree, but they are counterproductive to any real spiritual development.

Prayer is a form of chaos magic. There is nothing supernatural about it.
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Gileandos
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4/22/2011 5:10:17 PM
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At 4/22/2011 4:57:22 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
There is nothing supernatural about prayer. The purpose of prayer is aide you spiritually in some way. Examples would be, reinforcing mental and emotional stability, and keeping steadfast in what you know is right.

It is all completely psychological. This "name it and claim it" or "praying for ones desires" are not only shallow minded and absurd to the highest degree, but they are counterproductive to any real spiritual development.

Prayer is a form of chaos magic. There is nothing supernatural about it.

Interesting, could you expand on how something labeled "chaos" and "magic" at the same time would be able to produce "real" spiritual development while reinforcing mental, emotional stability and even keeping one steadfast in what is "right".

Doesn't the very definition of Chaos go against any such concept?
CosmicAlfonzo
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4/22/2011 5:25:26 PM
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At 4/22/2011 5:10:17 PM, Gileandos wrote:
At 4/22/2011 4:57:22 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
There is nothing supernatural about prayer. The purpose of prayer is aide you spiritually in some way. Examples would be, reinforcing mental and emotional stability, and keeping steadfast in what you know is right.

It is all completely psychological. This "name it and claim it" or "praying for ones desires" are not only shallow minded and absurd to the highest degree, but they are counterproductive to any real spiritual development.

Prayer is a form of chaos magic. There is nothing supernatural about it.

Interesting, could you expand on how something labeled "chaos" and "magic" at the same time would be able to produce "real" spiritual development while reinforcing mental, emotional stability and even keeping one steadfast in what is "right".

Doesn't the very definition of Chaos go against any such concept?

Chaos magic is something real. If you don't know what it is, don't bother trying to refute my use of the term.
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Gileandos
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4/22/2011 6:13:26 PM
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At 4/22/2011 5:25:26 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
At 4/22/2011 5:10:17 PM, Gileandos wrote:
At 4/22/2011 4:57:22 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
There is nothing supernatural about prayer. The purpose of prayer is aide you spiritually in some way. Examples would be, reinforcing mental and emotional stability, and keeping steadfast in what you know is right.

It is all completely psychological. This "name it and claim it" or "praying for ones desires" are not only shallow minded and absurd to the highest degree, but they are counterproductive to any real spiritual development.

Prayer is a form of chaos magic. There is nothing supernatural about it.

Interesting, could you expand on how something labeled "chaos" and "magic" at the same time would be able to produce "real" spiritual development while reinforcing mental, emotional stability and even keeping one steadfast in what is "right".

Doesn't the very definition of Chaos go against any such concept?

Chaos magic is something real. If you don't know what it is, don't bother trying to refute my use of the term.

Ok. I guess I was asking.
CosmicAlfonzo
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4/22/2011 6:18:19 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Pardon. Chaos Magic is the use of belief systems to gain a psychological result.

Religions are all the result of Chaos magic that happened to get a little out of hand.

Chaos magic can be used to bring people to awareness, or it can be used as a manipulative tool to get what one wants. It is an integral part of social physics.
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4/22/2011 6:19:20 PM
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Somewhere it says not to test the Lord thy God. This nullifies any attempts to do a scientific experiment of prayer.
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CosmicAlfonzo
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4/22/2011 6:20:16 PM
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Social Physics being a term I coined a while ago, and have just found out it has other uses.

By social physics, I mean the science of the individual navigating through social interaction in order to get the most desired result.
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Meatros
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4/22/2011 7:13:43 PM
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At 4/22/2011 6:19:20 PM, wjmelements wrote:
Somewhere it says not to test the Lord thy God. This nullifies any attempts to do a scientific experiment of prayer.

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4/22/2011 8:01:27 PM
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At 4/22/2011 6:20:16 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
Social Physics being a term I coined a while ago, and have just found out it has other uses.

By social physics, I mean the science of the individual navigating through social interaction in order to get the most desired result.

Dude, have you read Neil Strauss?
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4/23/2011 10:53:39 PM
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At 3/31/2011 11:56:30 AM, Randall999 wrote:
Interesting notion hit me-- what if we could come if with something to pray for, something neutral, something yet to happen, or not, that we could agree on to pray for. Religious folk here pray to their god, Atheists pray to their bottle of shampoo in their bathroom. Both do so daily, in earnest, in sincerity. We see what happens. Find out if and what gods answer prayers.

Supernatural deities versus Shampoo bottles.

Theists, are you up for the challenge? Discuss something to pray for? See if there is a statistical difference between theist prayer results versus atheist prayer results, the objects of prayer for each group?

The problem with this is "god always ans. every prayer, sometimes the ans. is no."
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royalpaladin: I'd rather support people who kill spies than a nation that organizes assassination squads (Kidon) to illegally enter into other nations and kill anybody who is not a Zionist. Who knows when they'll kill me for the crime of not supporting Israel?

Koopin: LOL! I just imagine Royal sitting in here apartment at night, when suddenly she hears a man outside speaking Hebrew as sh
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4/23/2011 10:57:12 PM
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The previous was not my own line.
http://www.nydailynews.com...

royalpaladin: I'd rather support people who kill spies than a nation that organizes assassination squads (Kidon) to illegally enter into other nations and kill anybody who is not a Zionist. Who knows when they'll kill me for the crime of not supporting Israel?

Koopin: LOL! I just imagine Royal sitting in here apartment at night, when suddenly she hears a man outside speaking Hebrew as sh
Gileandos
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4/23/2011 11:04:44 PM
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At 4/22/2011 6:20:16 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
Social Physics being a term I coined a while ago, and have just found out it has other uses.

By social physics, I mean the science of the individual navigating through social interaction in order to get the most desired result.

Can you show me this belief system and its origins in antiquity?
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4/24/2011 12:50:45 AM
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At 4/23/2011 11:04:44 PM, Gileandos wrote:
At 4/22/2011 6:20:16 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
Social Physics being a term I coined a while ago, and have just found out it has other uses.

By social physics, I mean the science of the individual navigating through social interaction in order to get the most desired result.

Can you show me this belief system and its origins in antiquity?

For as long as man has lied, stretched the truth, or was misleading in any way, there has been chaos magic.

It was not always called chaos magic, but it has always been around in one form or another.
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Gileandos
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4/24/2011 8:42:43 AM
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At 4/24/2011 12:50:45 AM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
At 4/23/2011 11:04:44 PM, Gileandos wrote:
At 4/22/2011 6:20:16 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
Social Physics being a term I coined a while ago, and have just found out it has other uses.

By social physics, I mean the science of the individual navigating through social interaction in order to get the most desired result.

Can you show me this belief system and its origins in antiquity?

For as long as man has lied, stretched the truth, or was misleading in any way, there has been chaos magic.

It was not always called chaos magic, but it has always been around in one form or another.

So this is a relatively new teaching on an old mechanical process? Can you give me a tracking of where this is taught throughout the ages?
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4/25/2011 10:05:26 AM
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At 4/22/2011 1:48:01 PM, Rob1_Billion wrote:
At 4/22/2011 1:27:27 PM, leah12 wrote:
We could, i am a christian.

Leah puts her praying gloves on...

thanks so much but i dont wear gloves.
Merry Christmas!