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Randall999
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4/3/2011 10:32:30 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
If you believe the earth is 5000-10000 years old, and that humans literally were poofed into existence, well then skip this question, skip this thread. Otherwise--

I am wondering when theists think 'humans' acquired a soul? What I mean is, we have a fairly complete fossil / archeological lineage of the evolution of 'humans', there is no sharp demarcated line in the sand saying this is a human with a soul and this is not. We evolved from ancient ape-like ancestors and it was a gradual continual evolution to what we see today as modern humans. So at what discrete point in the evolution from ape-like ancestors (and you could keep going back before that if you think the ape-like ancestors had a soul) to modern humans did we somehow magically get a 'soul' and then become accountable for going to hell or heaven?
Ogan
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4/3/2011 12:41:56 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/3/2011 10:32:30 AM, Randall999 wrote:
If you believe the earth is 5000-10000 years old, and that humans literally were poofed into existence, well then skip this question, skip this thread. Otherwise--

I am wondering when theists think 'humans' acquired a soul? What I mean is, we have a fairly complete fossil / archeological lineage of the evolution of 'humans', there is no sharp demarcated line in the sand saying this is a human with a soul and this is not. We evolved from ancient ape-like ancestors and it was a gradual continual evolution to what we see today as modern humans. So at what discrete point in the evolution from ape-like ancestors (and you could keep going back before that if you think the ape-like ancestors had a soul) to modern humans did we somehow magically get a 'soul' and then become accountable for going to hell or heaven?

We did not get one – we are one.
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4/3/2011 12:42:53 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/3/2011 12:41:56 PM, Ogan wrote:
At 4/3/2011 10:32:30 AM, Randall999 wrote:
If you believe the earth is 5000-10000 years old, and that humans literally were poofed into existence, well then skip this question, skip this thread. Otherwise--

I am wondering when theists think 'humans' acquired a soul? What I mean is, we have a fairly complete fossil / archeological lineage of the evolution of 'humans', there is no sharp demarcated line in the sand saying this is a human with a soul and this is not. We evolved from ancient ape-like ancestors and it was a gradual continual evolution to what we see today as modern humans. So at what discrete point in the evolution from ape-like ancestors (and you could keep going back before that if you think the ape-like ancestors had a soul) to modern humans did we somehow magically get a 'soul' and then become accountable for going to hell or heaven?

We did not get one – we are one.

what's a soul?
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badger
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4/3/2011 12:44:48 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/3/2011 12:42:53 PM, badger wrote:
At 4/3/2011 12:41:56 PM, Ogan wrote:
At 4/3/2011 10:32:30 AM, Randall999 wrote:
If you believe the earth is 5000-10000 years old, and that humans literally were poofed into existence, well then skip this question, skip this thread. Otherwise--

I am wondering when theists think 'humans' acquired a soul? What I mean is, we have a fairly complete fossil / archeological lineage of the evolution of 'humans', there is no sharp demarcated line in the sand saying this is a human with a soul and this is not. We evolved from ancient ape-like ancestors and it was a gradual continual evolution to what we see today as modern humans. So at what discrete point in the evolution from ape-like ancestors (and you could keep going back before that if you think the ape-like ancestors had a soul) to modern humans did we somehow magically get a 'soul' and then become accountable for going to hell or heaven?

We did not get one – we are one.

what's a soul?

like you hardly mean to say that when the body and brain are gone we cease to exist? :)
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tkubok
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4/3/2011 12:46:13 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/3/2011 12:41:56 PM, Ogan wrote:
At 4/3/2011 10:32:30 AM, Randall999 wrote:
If you believe the earth is 5000-10000 years old, and that humans literally were poofed into existence, well then skip this question, skip this thread. Otherwise--

I am wondering when theists think 'humans' acquired a soul? What I mean is, we have a fairly complete fossil / archeological lineage of the evolution of 'humans', there is no sharp demarcated line in the sand saying this is a human with a soul and this is not. We evolved from ancient ape-like ancestors and it was a gradual continual evolution to what we see today as modern humans. So at what discrete point in the evolution from ape-like ancestors (and you could keep going back before that if you think the ape-like ancestors had a soul) to modern humans did we somehow magically get a 'soul' and then become accountable for going to hell or heaven?

We did not get one – we are one.

how do you konw this??
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4/3/2011 12:46:29 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/3/2011 12:44:48 PM, badger wrote:
At 4/3/2011 12:42:53 PM, badger wrote:
At 4/3/2011 12:41:56 PM, Ogan wrote:
At 4/3/2011 10:32:30 AM, Randall999 wrote:
If you believe the earth is 5000-10000 years old, and that humans literally were poofed into existence, well then skip this question, skip this thread. Otherwise--

I am wondering when theists think 'humans' acquired a soul? What I mean is, we have a fairly complete fossil / archeological lineage of the evolution of 'humans', there is no sharp demarcated line in the sand saying this is a human with a soul and this is not. We evolved from ancient ape-like ancestors and it was a gradual continual evolution to what we see today as modern humans. So at what discrete point in the evolution from ape-like ancestors (and you could keep going back before that if you think the ape-like ancestors had a soul) to modern humans did we somehow magically get a 'soul' and then become accountable for going to hell or heaven?

We did not get one – we are one.

what's a soul?

like you hardly mean to say that when the body and brain are gone we cease to exist? :)

A soul is the real YOU that waits to be discovered, and intellect gets in the way.
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4/3/2011 12:47:36 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/3/2011 12:46:13 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 4/3/2011 12:41:56 PM, Ogan wrote:
At 4/3/2011 10:32:30 AM, Randall999 wrote:
If you believe the earth is 5000-10000 years old, and that humans literally were poofed into existence, well then skip this question, skip this thread. Otherwise--

I am wondering when theists think 'humans' acquired a soul? What I mean is, we have a fairly complete fossil / archeological lineage of the evolution of 'humans', there is no sharp demarcated line in the sand saying this is a human with a soul and this is not. We evolved from ancient ape-like ancestors and it was a gradual continual evolution to what we see today as modern humans. So at what discrete point in the evolution from ape-like ancestors (and you could keep going back before that if you think the ape-like ancestors had a soul) to modern humans did we somehow magically get a 'soul' and then become accountable for going to hell or heaven?

We did not get one – we are one.

how do you konw this??

I am one.
gerrandesquire
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4/3/2011 12:48:20 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/3/2011 10:32:30 AM, Randall999 wrote:
If you believe the earth is 5000-10000 years old, and that humans literally were poofed into existence, well then skip this question, skip this thread. Otherwise--

I am wondering when theists think 'humans' acquired a soul? What I mean is, we have a fairly complete fossil / archeological lineage of the evolution of 'humans', there is no sharp demarcated line in the sand saying this is a human with a soul and this is not. We evolved from ancient ape-like ancestors and it was a gradual continual evolution to what we see today as modern humans. So at what discrete point in the evolution from ape-like ancestors (and you could keep going back before that if you think the ape-like ancestors had a soul) to modern humans did we somehow magically get a 'soul' and then become accountable for going to hell or heaven?

Theists are not = Roman catholics.

In Hinduism, it is said that souls are present in everyone, in plants, animals and humans. The souls do not die when the body dies, but it migrates from one body to another, and while travelling it either expands or contracts, depending on the deeds done by the body in question. The souls in animals are smaller than those in humans, and in plants smallest.

So from that point of view, your question is answered easily, isn't it?
gerrandesquire
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4/3/2011 12:51:44 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/3/2011 12:47:36 PM, Ogan wrote:
At 4/3/2011 12:46:13 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 4/3/2011 12:41:56 PM, Ogan wrote:
At 4/3/2011 10:32:30 AM, Randall999 wrote:
If you believe the earth is 5000-10000 years old, and that humans literally were poofed into existence, well then skip this question, skip this thread. Otherwise--

I am wondering when theists think 'humans' acquired a soul? What I mean is, we have a fairly complete fossil / archeological lineage of the evolution of 'humans', there is no sharp demarcated line in the sand saying this is a human with a soul and this is not. We evolved from ancient ape-like ancestors and it was a gradual continual evolution to what we see today as modern humans. So at what discrete point in the evolution from ape-like ancestors (and you could keep going back before that if you think the ape-like ancestors had a soul) to modern humans did we somehow magically get a 'soul' and then become accountable for going to hell or heaven?

We did not get one – we are one.

how do you konw this??

I am one.

Soul is your consciousness, your conscience. It is the essence that you project, it is far above your body. You have a soul.
tkubok
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4/3/2011 12:53:54 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/3/2011 12:47:36 PM, Ogan wrote:
At 4/3/2011 12:46:13 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 4/3/2011 12:41:56 PM, Ogan wrote:
At 4/3/2011 10:32:30 AM, Randall999 wrote:
If you believe the earth is 5000-10000 years old, and that humans literally were poofed into existence, well then skip this question, skip this thread. Otherwise--

I am wondering when theists think 'humans' acquired a soul? What I mean is, we have a fairly complete fossil / archeological lineage of the evolution of 'humans', there is no sharp demarcated line in the sand saying this is a human with a soul and this is not. We evolved from ancient ape-like ancestors and it was a gradual continual evolution to what we see today as modern humans. So at what discrete point in the evolution from ape-like ancestors (and you could keep going back before that if you think the ape-like ancestors had a soul) to modern humans did we somehow magically get a 'soul' and then become accountable for going to hell or heaven?

We did not get one – we are one.

how do you konw this??

I am one.

Person A: Dragons exist.

Person B: How do you know this?

Person A: I am one.

What a convincing argument.
nonentity
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4/3/2011 12:55:25 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/3/2011 12:53:54 PM, tkubok wrote:

Person A: Dragons exist.

Person B: How do you know this?

Person A: I am one.

What a convincing argument.

It is if you look like this http://www.crystalinks.com...
Ogan
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4/3/2011 12:57:39 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/3/2011 12:53:54 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 4/3/2011 12:47:36 PM, Ogan wrote:
At 4/3/2011 12:46:13 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 4/3/2011 12:41:56 PM, Ogan wrote:
At 4/3/2011 10:32:30 AM, Randall999 wrote:
If you believe the earth is 5000-10000 years old, and that humans literally were poofed into existence, well then skip this question, skip this thread. Otherwise--

I am wondering when theists think 'humans' acquired a soul? What I mean is, we have a fairly complete fossil / archeological lineage of the evolution of 'humans', there is no sharp demarcated line in the sand saying this is a human with a soul and this is not. We evolved from ancient ape-like ancestors and it was a gradual continual evolution to what we see today as modern humans. So at what discrete point in the evolution from ape-like ancestors (and you could keep going back before that if you think the ape-like ancestors had a soul) to modern humans did we somehow magically get a 'soul' and then become accountable for going to hell or heaven?

We did not get one – we are one.

how do you konw this??

I am one.

Person A: Dragons exist.

Person B: How do you know this?

Person A: I am one.

What a convincing argument.

No, I slew the dragon to dis-cover my soul,
tkubok
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4/3/2011 1:01:16 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/3/2011 12:55:25 PM, nonentity wrote:
At 4/3/2011 12:53:54 PM, tkubok wrote:

Person A: Dragons exist.

Person B: How do you know this?

Person A: I am one.

What a convincing argument.

It is if you look like this http://www.crystalinks.com...

Well, thats all the proof i need.
Ogan
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4/3/2011 1:08:08 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/3/2011 1:01:16 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 4/3/2011 12:55:25 PM, nonentity wrote:
At 4/3/2011 12:53:54 PM, tkubok wrote:

Person A: Dragons exist.

Person B: How do you know this?

Person A: I am one.

What a convincing argument.

It is if you look like this http://www.crystalinks.com...

Well, thats all the proof i need.

Behold! The modern method!!!
tkubok
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4/3/2011 1:48:28 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/3/2011 1:08:08 PM, Ogan wrote:
At 4/3/2011 1:01:16 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 4/3/2011 12:55:25 PM, nonentity wrote:
At 4/3/2011 12:53:54 PM, tkubok wrote:

Person A: Dragons exist.

Person B: How do you know this?

Person A: I am one.


What a convincing argument.

It is if you look like this http://www.crystalinks.com...

Well, thats all the proof i need.

Behold! The modern method!!!

Behold! The modern method for theists!!!
Ogan
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4/3/2011 1:56:22 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/3/2011 1:48:28 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 4/3/2011 1:08:08 PM, Ogan wrote:
At 4/3/2011 1:01:16 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 4/3/2011 12:55:25 PM, nonentity wrote:
At 4/3/2011 12:53:54 PM, tkubok wrote:

Person A: Dragons exist.

Person B: How do you know this?

Person A: I am one.


What a convincing argument.

It is if you look like this http://www.crystalinks.com...

Well, thats all the proof i need.

Behold! The modern method!!!

Behold! The modern method for theists!!!

I needed to experience and be conscious of mine - you just looked at a picture numptie!
tkubok
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4/3/2011 2:25:15 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/3/2011 1:56:22 PM, Ogan wrote:
At 4/3/2011 1:48:28 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 4/3/2011 1:08:08 PM, Ogan wrote:
At 4/3/2011 1:01:16 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 4/3/2011 12:55:25 PM, nonentity wrote:
At 4/3/2011 12:53:54 PM, tkubok wrote:

Person A: Dragons exist.

Person B: How do you know this?

Person A: I am one.


What a convincing argument.

It is if you look like this http://www.crystalinks.com...

Well, thats all the proof i need.

Behold! The modern method!!!

Behold! The modern method for theists!!!

I needed to experience and be conscious of mine - you just looked at a picture numptie!

Sarcasm is beyond you i suppose.
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4/3/2011 2:36:01 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/3/2011 2:25:15 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 4/3/2011 1:56:22 PM, Ogan wrote:
At 4/3/2011 1:48:28 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 4/3/2011 1:08:08 PM, Ogan wrote:
At 4/3/2011 1:01:16 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 4/3/2011 12:55:25 PM, nonentity wrote:
At 4/3/2011 12:53:54 PM, tkubok wrote:

Person A: Dragons exist.

Person B: How do you know this?

Person A: I am one.


What a convincing argument.

It is if you look like this http://www.crystalinks.com...

Well, thats all the proof i need.

Behold! The modern method!!!

Behold! The modern method for theists!!!

I needed to experience and be conscious of mine - you just looked at a picture numptie!

Sarcasm is beyond you i suppose.

And sarcasm is beyond you I suppose?
tkubok
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4/3/2011 3:06:01 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/3/2011 2:36:01 PM, Ogan wrote:
At 4/3/2011 2:25:15 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 4/3/2011 1:56:22 PM, Ogan wrote:
At 4/3/2011 1:48:28 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 4/3/2011 1:08:08 PM, Ogan wrote:
At 4/3/2011 1:01:16 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 4/3/2011 12:55:25 PM, nonentity wrote:
At 4/3/2011 12:53:54 PM, tkubok wrote:

Person A: Dragons exist.

Person B: How do you know this?

Person A: I am one.


What a convincing argument.

It is if you look like this http://www.crystalinks.com...

Well, thats all the proof i need.

Behold! The modern method!!!

Behold! The modern method for theists!!!

I needed to experience and be conscious of mine - you just looked at a picture numptie!

Sarcasm is beyond you i suppose.

And sarcasm is beyond you I suppose?

No, it isnt.
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4/3/2011 8:56:28 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Wow OP, it seems like you haven't gotten a single real answer.

I definitely do believe in evolution. I think the evidence points to the era when hominids began using Acheulean stone tools. It seems to be an indication of the beginnings of rationality insofar as the tools became more advanced and even began to express aesthetic qualities. However, the evidence is disputable and we only have a limited amount. But I'll leave that up to the archaeologists to find out.

The reason I use that as a criteria is because most people who believe in some sort of more advanced theory of the soul believe that the specific characteristic of things with human souls is that they have rationality. Since something is either rational or not-rational (that's a logical tautology) there must have been some time where non-rational things existed and then rational person(s) were given a soul by God. Hope that is somewhat helpful.
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4/4/2011 1:55:06 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/3/2011 8:56:28 PM, awatkins69 wrote:
Wow OP, it seems like you haven't gotten a single real answer.

I definitely do believe in evolution. I think the evidence points to the era when hominids began using Acheulean stone tools. It seems to be an indication of the beginnings of rationality insofar as the tools became more advanced and even began to express aesthetic qualities. However, the evidence is disputable and we only have a limited amount. But I'll leave that up to the archaeologists to find out.

The reason I use that as a criteria is because most people who believe in some sort of more advanced theory of the soul believe that the specific characteristic of things with human souls is that they have rationality. Since something is either rational or not-rational (that's a logical tautology) there must have been some time where non-rational things existed and then rational person(s) were given a soul by God. Hope that is somewhat helpful.

What is your definition of a soul?