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banker
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4/3/2011 12:35:00 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Muhammad...

Said Allah hates those who don't accept Islam.
(Qur'an 30:4, 3:32, 22:38)

Jesus...
Said God loves everyone.
(John 3:16)

muhamud

"I have been commanded to fight
against people till they testify that there
is no god but Allah, and that Muhammad
is the messenger of Allah"
(Muslim 1:33)

jesus

"He who lives by the sword
will die by the sword."
(Matthew 26:52)

muhamud

Stoned women for adultery.
(Muslim 4206)

jesus

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."
(John 8:7)

muhamud

Permitted stealing from unbelievers.
(Bukhari 44:668, Ibn Ishaq 764)

jesus

"Thou shalt not steal."
(Matthew 19:18)

muhamud

Permitted lying.
(Sahih Muslim 6303, Bukhari 49:857)

jesus

"Thou shalt not bear false witness."
(Matthew 19:18)

muhamud

Owned and traded slaves.
(Sahih Muslim 3901)

jesus
Neither owned nor traded slaves.

muhamud

Beheaded 800 Jewish men and boys.
(Sahih Muslim 4390)

jesus

Beheaded no one.

muhamud

Murdered those who insulted him,even kids.
(Bukhari 56:369, 4:241)

jesus

Preached forgiveness.
(Matthew 18:21-22, 5:38)

muhamud

"If then anyone transgresses
the prohibition against you,
Transgress ye likewise against him"
(Qur'an 2:194)

jesus

"If someone strikes you on the right
cheek, turn to him the other also."
(Matthew 5:39)

muhamud

Jihad in the way of Allah elevates one's position in Paradise by a hundred fold.
(Muslim 4645)

jesus

"Blessed are the peacemakers, for
they will be called Sons of God"
(Matthew 5:9)

muhamud

Married 13 wives and kept sex slaves.
(Bukhari 5:268, Qur'an 33:50)

jesus

Was celibate.

muhamud

Slept with a 9-year-old child.
(Sahih Muslim 3309, Bukhari 58:236)

jesus

Did not have sex with children.

muhamud

Ordered the murder of women.
(Ibn Ishaq 819, 995)

jesus

Never harmed a woman.

muhamud

"O you who believe! Fight those of the
unbelievers who are near to you
and let them find in you hardness."
(Qur'an 3:110)

jesus

Blessed are the meek, for
they shall inherit the earth."
(Matthew 5:5)
the most important source for muslim Arabs:

"And thereafter We [Allah] said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd'.".

- Qur'an 17:104 -

Any sincere muslim must recognize the Land they call "Palestine" as the Jewish Homeland, according to the book considered by muslims to be the most sacred word and Allah's ultimate revelation.

Ibn Khaldun, one of the most creditable
banker
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4/3/2011 5:08:07 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Also jesus was against human sacrifice
Its appualing to see how in todays age some still do human sacrifice in form of teror and beheading etc. How is it that over here some just thing its cool..!
Christians are against humen secrifice and are not beheading.!

2011.04.01 (Khyber, Pakistan) - Three night watchmen are beheaded by religious extremists.2011.04.01 (Fallujah, Iraq) - Three Iraqis are taken out by a Shahid suicide bomber.2011.04.01 (Mazar-e Sharif, Afghanistan) - Eight UN workers are among a dozen people beheaded or shot to death by a mob enraged over a Quran burning in Florida.2011.04.01 (Dara Adam Khel, Pakistan) - A suicide bomber takes out a 12-year-old boy at a market.2011.03.31 (Mosul, Iraq) - A 13-year-old boy is beheaded by Islamic extremists.2011.03.31 (Abu Ghraib, Iraq) - Sunni militants toss a grenade into a home, killing an elderly man.
the most important source for muslim Arabs:

"And thereafter We [Allah] said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd'.".

- Qur'an 17:104 -

Any sincere muslim must recognize the Land they call "Palestine" as the Jewish Homeland, according to the book considered by muslims to be the most sacred word and Allah's ultimate revelation.

Ibn Khaldun, one of the most creditable
DATCMOTO
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4/4/2011 5:03:04 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/3/2011 5:08:07 PM, banker wrote:
Also jesus was against human sacrifice
Its appualing to see how in todays age some still do human sacrifice in form of teror and beheading etc. How is it that over here some just thing its cool..!
Christians are against humen secrifice and are not beheading.!

2011.04.01 (Khyber, Pakistan) - Three night watchmen are beheaded by religious extremists.2011.04.01 (Fallujah, Iraq) - Three Iraqis are taken out by a Shahid suicide bomber.2011.04.01 (Mazar-e Sharif, Afghanistan) - Eight UN workers are among a dozen people beheaded or shot to death by a mob enraged over a Quran burning in Florida.2011.04.01 (Dara Adam Khel, Pakistan) - A suicide bomber takes out a 12-year-old boy at a market.2011.03.31 (Mosul, Iraq) - A 13-year-old boy is beheaded by Islamic extremists.2011.03.31 (Abu Ghraib, Iraq) - Sunni militants toss a grenade into a home, killing an elderly man.

So, HOWABOUT utilising some of Jesus's commands (Loving your enemies etc) in regards to Muslims?

MERCY is the currency of the Kingdom; YOU'VE been shown it so spend it on others!
The Cross.. the Cross.
banker
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4/4/2011 6:25:07 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Utilizing it by informing them on the truth.

At 4/4/2011 5:03:04 AM, DATCMOTO wrote:
At 4/3/2011 5:08:07 PM, banker wrote:
Also jesus was against human sacrifice
Its appualing to see how in todays age some still do human sacrifice in form of teror and beheading etc. How is it that over here some just thing its cool..!
Christians are against humen secrifice and are not beheading.!

2011.04.01 (Khyber, Pakistan) - Three night watchmen are beheaded by religious extremists.2011.04.01 (Fallujah, Iraq) - Three Iraqis are taken out by a Shahid suicide bomber.2011.04.01 (Mazar-e Sharif, Afghanistan) - Eight UN workers are among a dozen people beheaded or shot to death by a mob enraged over a Quran burning in Florida.2011.04.01 (Dara Adam Khel, Pakistan) - A suicide bomber takes out a 12-year-old boy at a market.2011.03.31 (Mosul, Iraq) - A 13-year-old boy is beheaded by Islamic extremists.2011.03.31 (Abu Ghraib, Iraq) - Sunni militants toss a grenade into a home, killing an elderly man.

So, HOWABOUT utilising some of Jesus's commands (Loving your enemies etc) in regards to Muslims?

MERCY is the currency of the Kingdom; YOU'VE been shown it so spend it on others!
the most important source for muslim Arabs:

"And thereafter We [Allah] said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd'.".

- Qur'an 17:104 -

Any sincere muslim must recognize the Land they call "Palestine" as the Jewish Homeland, according to the book considered by muslims to be the most sacred word and Allah's ultimate revelation.

Ibn Khaldun, one of the most creditable
Reprobation
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4/5/2011 5:21:37 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/3/2011 12:35:00 PM, banker wrote:
Muhammad...

Said Allah hates those who don't accept Islam.
(Qur'an 30:4, 3:32, 22:38)

Jesus...
Said God loves everyone.
(John 3:16)

muhamud

"I have been commanded to fight
against people till they testify that there
is no god but Allah, and that Muhammad
is the messenger of Allah"
(Muslim 1:33)

jesus

"He who lives by the sword
will die by the sword."
(Matthew 26:52)

muhamud

Stoned women for adultery.
(Muslim 4206)

jesus

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."
(John 8:7)

muhamud

Permitted stealing from unbelievers.
(Bukhari 44:668, Ibn Ishaq 764)

jesus

"Thou shalt not steal."
(Matthew 19:18)

muhamud

Permitted lying.
(Sahih Muslim 6303, Bukhari 49:857)

jesus

"Thou shalt not bear false witness."
(Matthew 19:18)

muhamud

Owned and traded slaves.
(Sahih Muslim 3901)

jesus
Neither owned nor traded slaves.

muhamud

Beheaded 800 Jewish men and boys.
(Sahih Muslim 4390)

jesus

Beheaded no one.

muhamud

Murdered those who insulted him,even kids.
(Bukhari 56:369, 4:241)

jesus

Preached forgiveness.
(Matthew 18:21-22, 5:38)

muhamud

"If then anyone transgresses
the prohibition against you,
Transgress ye likewise against him"
(Qur'an 2:194)

jesus

"If someone strikes you on the right
cheek, turn to him the other also."
(Matthew 5:39)

muhamud

Jihad in the way of Allah elevates one's position in Paradise by a hundred fold.
(Muslim 4645)

jesus

"Blessed are the peacemakers, for
they will be called Sons of God"
(Matthew 5:9)

muhamud

Married 13 wives and kept sex slaves.
(Bukhari 5:268, Qur'an 33:50)

jesus

Was celibate.

muhamud

Slept with a 9-year-old child.
(Sahih Muslim 3309, Bukhari 58:236)

jesus

Did not have sex with children.

muhamud

Ordered the murder of women.
(Ibn Ishaq 819, 995)

jesus

Never harmed a woman.

muhamud

"O you who believe! Fight those of the
unbelievers who are near to you
and let them find in you hardness."
(Qur'an 3:110)

jesus

Blessed are the meek, for
they shall inherit the earth."
(Matthew 5:5)

Love is an emotion of need, a need to please the beloved, a need to be accepted, and a being with needs is not God, but a thing which flawed by needs. Surely having no needs is greater than having needs.

It is not possible that the Creator would be All-Knowing and All-Powerful as well as All-Loving, because that would mean there would be no suffering in the world. We clearly witness suffering, and since the Creator is All-Knowing, He does know about this suffering before it happens, when it happens and after it happens. Moreover, since He is All-Powerful, He could surely prevent it based on the fact that He knows about it. Clearly then, you cannot believe in all of these attributes at the same time, as this contradicts observable reality. If one was to believe in all-lovingness, then this would only agree with the observable suffering of the world, if one denied the Creator's knowledge or power or both.

The bible says, as a punishment for adultery, If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city. Deuteronomy 22:23-24

By the way, adultery is one of the worst sins in Islam, and has a serious punishment, that is, adultery. The man or woman who commits adultery is stoned. This is because adultery ruins the family's honor (something many people don't care about today or have) and also shames the lineage. Also, do you think anyone would commit adultery after seeing someone being stoned because of committing it? Surely, the reasonable person wouldn't think about it, thus, saving many others from committing it.

You claimed that Prophet Muhammad legitimated lying and stealing against non-Muslims - that is a blatant lie.

Murdered those who even insulted him?!?! HECK NO! Muslims emulate the Prophet Muhammad, if that happened (which it didn't), then you would see mass murders in America and elsewhere because of the insults (that is, the murdering by the Muslims, if that was the case).

The Qur'an is in classical arabic, that translations is a poor translation and can not be a replacement for the arabic. Classical arabic is much more vast than the english language. You can contain the english language in a 1,000 page dictionary, whereas, the arabic language, with up to THIRTY VOLUMES hundreds of pages.

He never murdered children or women, that is actually prohibited in Jihad.

If a Muslim were to fight any unbeliever whom was next to him, do you really think that you would be here? That verse is misinterpreted.

The Creator existed before light and darkness, time and space, and all places, including Heaven and Hell. The Creator existed without a place.

Muslims believe that The Creator is not an image—but that The Creator created all images and is not similar to any created thing. The Creator existed before there was space; The Creator is Eternal; God does not change. That being the case, common sense tells us that the Creator is not an object, is not a form, and cannot be portrayed by a picture or an image. Furthermore, we know that God is Beginningless. God created both light and darkness. Our imaginations cannot come to conceive of something existing and there was no light or darkness—yet, we know God existed before the creations and neither light nor darkness existed. God was before the creations and there was nothing else. This indicates that God is completely beyond our imagination. These are also common sense proofs that show the claim that the human being has the alleged image of God is categorically false.

The imagination is related to those things that are perceived by the senses. God cannot be compared to what we see in the creations—consequently, a picture of God cannot be formed by the mind. Furthermore, the person who worships an image in his mind is in reality no different from the idol worshipper. The idolater worships a shape he has formed with his hands, and the one who worships a mental image, worships a shape he has formed in his mind.

In summary, the Muslim Belief is the only belief that clears God from all imperfection. The Muslim Belief states clearly that God is absolutely Free-of-Need and that God is clear of having any created characteristics. Muslims believe in One, Perfect, Eternal, Incomparable God who has knowledge and power over all the creations. Muslims can demonstrate the validity of their Belief with sound rational proofs that anyone willing to listen to reason will recognize as being true.
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4/6/2011 10:27:11 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/5/2011 5:21:37 PM, Reprobation wrote:

In summary, the Muslim Belief is the only belief that clears God from all imperfection. :

If God decides to take on the likeness of human flesh while still remaining God, He can do so if He chooses. Nothing is impossible with God. Why do Muslims limit God by telling Him what He can and cannot do? It is no more of an imperfection than it makes God 'imperfect to have created imperfect human beings - He can still remain a perfect God in the process

The Muslim Belief states clearly that God is absolutely Free-of-Need and that God is clear of having any created characteristics. :

Yes God is free of need. But God choosing to take on a human nature like the rest of us and choosing to be subject to human weakness and suffering to work out our redemption, was not a 'need'. It was something He wanted to do to prove His Love for all of us. Not just for Christians - but for Muslims and all mankind.

Muslims believe in One, Perfect, Eternal, Incomparable God who has knowledge and power over all the creations. :

Your 'god' is actually 'anthropomorophic; described throughout the hadiths as having various body parts. Christians believe in an all-powerful God that not only has 'power' over us, but wishes to become ONE with us. By becoming man, Jesus Christ gave us a supreme example of humility and how we should all live our lives on earth. God also dwells with his creatures everyday in the Blessed Sacrament of the Altar - as a Prisoner of Love. He shares Himself with us and becomes one with them over again in the Holy Eucharist. Muslims have no understanding or concept of this intimate God of Love.

Muslims can demonstrate the validity of their Belief with sound rational proofs that anyone willing to listen to reason will recognize as being true.:

I have yet to see sound rational arguments for Muslim belief, starting at the beginning: no Muslim has every been able to prove or back up the claim that Muhammad's revelations really came from the one true God. Based on extensive study, I have no doubt that the angel Muhammad spoke to was not the true Angel Gabriel, Muhammad's revelations were false and that he was a false prophet who lived an immoral life, performed no miracles, fulfilled no true prophecies, and contradicted the message of all the prophets before him.
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4/7/2011 6:32:25 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/6/2011 10:27:11 PM, spiritislife wrote:
If God decides to take on the likeness of human flesh while still remaining God, He can do so if He chooses. Nothing is impossible with God. Why do Muslims limit God by telling Him what He can and cannot do? It is no more of an imperfection than it makes God 'imperfect to have created imperfect human beings - He can still remain a perfect God in the process
We are not saying what God can and cannot do. We say that with God, everything is possible. You are actually limiting God. When you say that he became a human by definition, then you are making part of him unknowing, suffering, and so on and so forth, all of which limit the nature of God.

Yes God is free of need. But God choosing to take on a human nature like the rest of us and choosing to be subject to human weakness and suffering to work out our redemption, was not a 'need'. It was something He wanted to do to prove His Love for all of us. Not just for Christians - but for Muslims and all mankind.
For His alleged son to die? Are you saying that it is not possible for God to prove His love without sending who you believe is His son to die? And you are saying Muslims limit the power of God?

Your 'god' is actually 'anthropomorophic; described throughout the hadiths as having various body parts. Christians believe in an all-powerful God that not only has 'power' over us, but wishes to become ONE with us. By becoming man, Jesus Christ gave us a supreme example of humility and how we should all live our lives on earth. God also dwells with his creatures everyday in the Blessed Sacrament of the Altar - as a Prisoner of Love. He shares Himself with us and becomes one with them over again in the Holy Eucharist. Muslims have no understanding or concept of this intimate God of Love.
Jesus Christ (peace be upon him) never claimed divinity. This later developed idea of who he was proves nothing about his divinity. He was a Prophet, and a Prophet is one who shows examples of humility and morality, because he is sent by God. That is the exact same principle as with God sending His own alleged son, except that the Prophet is not His son, but Messenger.

Genesis states that man was created in the image of God. This means that humans have sight, hearing, etc., some properties that God has too, but limited ones after all. God does not have parts which we can imagine as physical. The Qur'an never mentions any of this. The hadith do mention something like "leg" or "hands," but notice how they make use figurative speech describing some actions of God. The Qur'an clearly states that God is beyond comprehension when it comes to imagining Him.

I have yet to see sound rational arguments for Muslim belief, starting at the beginning: no Muslim has every been able to prove or back up the claim that Muhammad's revelations really came from the one true God.
Prove the Bible to me. Or debate it.

Based on extensive study, I have no doubt that the angel Muhammad spoke to was not the true Angel Gabriel, Muhammad's revelations were false and that he was a false prophet who lived an immoral life, performed no miracles, fulfilled no true prophecies, and contradicted the message of all the prophets before him.
Debate.
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4/7/2011 10:09:57 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/7/2011 6:32:25 AM, Mirza wrote:
Debate.:

Mirza, don't start with this 'debate' challenge again until you can prove to me you are worth the time. I am confident I can bring forth arguments and historical evidence you cannot refute for the claims I have made about Islam.

I readily took up your debate challenge a while back, made a good rebuttal against your claim that the Quran and the Hadith do not contradict each other - an argument that you did not refute. Then you decide the whole issue is 'beneath you' and it is not worth your 'precious time' to continue to debate with me on this topic. I considered this to be an insult and as far as I am concerned disrespectful, since you never apologized to your opponent for backing out on something we both committed to. A formal debate takes time, and I am super busy these days as a teacher and private tutor - among other things.

Show me you are sincere. Let's 'resurrect' the Quran - Hadith contradiction thread and debate each other on that before a formal debate. I was just getting started - I was only at contradiction #1! What's the matter Mirza, you scared?
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4/7/2011 3:16:38 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/27/2011 6:58:01 AM, Fatihah wrote:
At 3/26/2011 10:08:14 PM, banker wrote:
Bush crusade against religion of teror is against freedom of religion or a duty of a government to protect its citizens

According to the Qur'an: "Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah. Those who follow him are merciful to one another, but ruthless to unbelievers" Surah 48:29. "Kill the Mushrikun (unbelievers) wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush..." Surah 9:5. Also see Surah 9:29: PICKTHAL: "Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture (Christians & Jews) as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.". Please note that there is not a single verse in the entire Christian Bible that contains this "open-ended", universal command to kill/or be ruthless to unbelievers. Surah 47:4 says: Fa'idh? Laq?tumu Al-Ladh?na Kafar? Fa?arba Ar-Riq?bi ?attaá 'Idh? 'Athkhantum?hum Fashudd? Al-Wath?qa Fa'imm? Mann?an Ba`du Wa 'Imm? Fid?'an ?attaá Ta?a`a Al-?arbu 'Awz?rah? Dh?lika Wa Law Yash?'u All?hu L?nta?ara Minhum Wa Lakin Liyabluwa Ba`?akum Biba`?in Wa Al-Ladh?na Qutil? F? Sab?li All?hi Falan Yu?illa 'A`m?lahumwhich means Therefore, WHEN YOU MEET THE UNBELIEVERS, SMITE AT THEIR NECKS; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens. Thus (are ye commanded): but if it had been Allah's Will, He could certainly have exacted retribution from them (Himself); but (He lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the Way of Allah,- He will never let their deeds be lost.Many Quran translators have tried to soften the meaning in their translation by adding the words "in war" in brackets after the word "Unbelievers" but they are NOT there in the original Arabic text. Allah - the Pagan god: Islam, teaches that Jews and Christians both have earned the wrath of Allah by failing to follow Islam, and that they have also lost the way by following the teachings of the Torah for the Jews, or the Bible for Christians. Additionally, This god Allah (with a little g) lies about Jesus. Islam says that Jesus not only is not the Son of God, but that He did not even die on a cross in Jerusalem... Allah is therefore proven to be a false pagan god... Jews also do not believe this about Jesus (Yeshua). Who will believe it? The greatest of kings. Born in the humblest of places.... God, born in the flesh! The Apostle Paul tells us that Jews have been supernaturally blinded to this by God. Yet Christians and Jews worship the same God (Yahweh) and share the same Bible. Learn more. See movies "The Nativity Story" and "Jesus", here. About 578 years before Islam came along, Christians were warned against Islam by both Jesus and the Apostle Paul. Jesus warned us about the many false prophets who would follow Him (Matthew 16:11-12) . Paul warned us when he wrote: "But even if we (or an angel from heaven) should preach a Gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be condemned to hell!" (Galatians 1:8). Since Islam's message differs fundamentally from the Gospel, it is clear what Paul taught regarding the fate of Muhammad and those who propagate Islam. Islam bypasses the sacrificial mediating work Jesus did for believers on the cross, thus negating the forgiveness of sins. This condemns non-believers to die in their sins. Jesus said; "I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins." John 8:24 Jesus also predicted the current dilemma of Muslim intolerance and fanaticism. He warned that the day was likewise coming when religious zealots will kill Christians and think they are offering a service to God (John 16:2-4).

Response: Verse 48:25 of the qur'an clearly states "It is they who disbelieved and debarred you from the Sacred Mosque and also prevented the dedicated offerings from reaching their place of sacrifice..." Thus the context of verse 29 relates to the unjust behavior of the unbelievers to Muhammad and the Muslims during a specific time. Thus any fighting or aggression by the Muslims was in self-defense, thus dismantling your argument. Furthermore, the verse does not say be ruthless to them but to be hard against them for their actions. One can be hard against something without being ruthless.

Verse 9:4 of the qur'an says "except those of the disbelievers with whom you have entered into a treaty and who have not subsequently failed you in anything nor aided anyone against you". This verse is before 9:5, thus once again demonstrating that verse 9:5 is in relation to self-defense by the Muslims against non-believers who attacked them. Thus your argument fails again. Verse 9:29 says to fight the disbelievers who do not pay their taxes. Fight does not mean kill in any dictionary. And if fight means to kill and use brutal force, then according to your logic, Martin Luther King Jr. was a violent man as well. Why? Because he also used to "fight" for human rights. Anyone can see the absurdity in your logic. The word fight also means to struggle and strive to achieve something as proven by any dictionary as well as the example above. Thus verse 29 is a commandment to strive against the non-Muslims who wish to not pay taxes, without killing or brute force, as the qur'an clearly states that there is no compulsion in religion (2:256). This means that verse 47:4 relates to sekf-defense as well. Debunked again.

Now let us look at your bible. Besides its many discrepancies, fairy tales and other degrading verses which clear shows that it is not the inspired word of God, Christians love to boast about how peaceful Jesus is in the bible. Yet they forget or happen to not know their bible well enough or simply deny the following:

"But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me".(Luke 19:27).

"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth. I came not to send peace, but a sword" (Matt.10:34).

Here we have the words of Jesus himself from the bible stating that he is against peace and will slay those who do not follow him. Thus it is clear from the evidence above that Muhammad was a peaceful and just person who only fought in defense while the Jesus depicted in your bible is a ruthless and unjust tyrant.
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4/7/2011 3:28:28 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Response: None of which is from the qur'an or sunnah, thus it's not the religion of islam. So your point is pointless. Your bible on the other hand is filled with the most inhumane, immoral, and most gruesome things one can think of. Let's take a look shall we.

Lev.14: 49-53- To clean the house from a plague, sprinkle the house with the blood of dead birds.

Lev.12: 1-5- females are born double polluted than males.

Luke 14:26- You must hate your family to be a disciple of Jesus.

Ephes.5: 22-24- women must submit to their husbands.

Isaiah 7:20 God shaves with a high razor.

2 Samuels 22:11- God rides on a cherub.( Animal with wings or a naked female with wings).

Then it gets even more disgusting.

Ezekiel.16:8 God makes love to a young girl. Verses 16-34, she becomes a whore and 35-42, God punishes her out of jealousy.

You really have to read this part. In 2Samuels 12:2-5, David sleeps with the Wife of Uriah and she conceives a child. Verses 6-13, King David invites Uriah over for a meal and afterwards he sleeps at the door of King David's house.

Now watch this.

Verses 14 - 27, David gives a letter to Uriah to give to Joab. The letter reads that Joab is to put Uriah on the frontline of the hottest battle so he can die. When he dies, he takes Uriah's mourning wife and marries her, and she bares his son. This displeased God.

But wait. I'm not finished yet. It get's even more despicable.

The next chapter, from verse 1-13, God sends Nathan to state to David that HE is displeased by the fact that David abused his authority by having s child with Uriah's wife and then having him killed. But.......God actually forgave David. Instead...............as verses 14- 18 read, God instead kills his newborn child!!

What!!!

2 Samuels 13: 10-14- David's son Amnon rapes his own sister Tamar.

That's enough. I could go on for days. The difference between this post and yours, nothing of which you stated is in the qur'an or sunnah, thus it does not demonstrate negativity about the religion of islam. However, what I've just posted is actually scriptural and found in your bible. And when we consider the number of Christian preachers caught out molesting children and committing mass murder and crimes as well, it is clear that your religion of Christianity is clearly the one with the stench of perverted immorality, not the just religion of peace which is islam.
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4/8/2011 7:46:42 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/7/2011 3:28:28 PM, Fatihah wrote:
Response: None of which is from the qur'an or sunnah, thus it's not the religion of islam. So your point is pointless. Your bible on the other hand is filled with the most inhumane, immoral, and most gruesome things one can think of. Let's take a look shall we.

Lev.14: 49-53- To clean the house from a plague, sprinkle the house with the blood of dead birds.

Lev.12: 1-5- females are born double polluted than males.

Luke 14:26- You must hate your family to be a disciple of Jesus.

Ephes.5: 22-24- women must submit to their husbands.

Isaiah 7:20 God shaves with a high razor.

2 Samuels 22:11- God rides on a cherub.( Animal with wings or a naked female with wings).

Then it gets even more disgusting.

Ezekiel.16:8 God makes love to a young girl. Verses 16-34, she becomes a whore and 35-42, God punishes her out of jealousy.

You really have to read this part. In 2Samuels 12:2-5, David sleeps with the Wife of Uriah and she conceives a child. Verses 6-13, King David invites Uriah over for a meal and afterwards he sleeps at the door of King David's house.

Now watch this.

Verses 14 - 27, David gives a letter to Uriah to give to Joab. The letter reads that Joab is to put Uriah on the frontline of the hottest battle so he can die. When he dies, he takes Uriah's mourning wife and marries her, and she bares his son. This displeased God.

But wait. I'm not finished yet. It get's even more despicable.

The next chapter, from verse 1-13, God sends Nathan to state to David that HE is displeased by the fact that David abused his authority by having s child with Uriah's wife and then having him killed. But.......God actually forgave David. Instead...............as verses 14- 18 read, God instead kills his newborn child!!

What!!!

2 Samuels 13: 10-14- David's son Amnon rapes his own sister Tamar.

That's enough. I could go on for days. The difference between this post and yours, nothing of which you stated is in the qur'an or sunnah, thus it does not demonstrate negativity about the religion of islam. However, what I've just posted is actually scriptural and found in your bible. And when we consider the number of Christian preachers caught out molesting children and committing mass murder and crimes as well, it is clear that your religion of Christianity is clearly the one with the stench of perverted immorality, not the just religion of peace which is islam.

none of witch is in islam? lol reality is not your favorite subject read again and watch not to be hurt by reality...!! it might turn you away from your humen secrificing idol..!!

more here every time you lie:

muhammud

According to his followers:
Had others give their lives for him.
(Sahih Muslim 4413)

jesus

According to his followers:
Gave his life for others.
(John 18:11 and elsewhere

muhamud:

Advocated crucifying others.
(Qur'an 5:33, Muslim 16:4131)

jesus

Was crucified himself.

muhammud

Died fat and wealthy from what was
taken from others in war or
demanded from others in tribute.

jesus

Demanded nothing for himself.
Died without possessions

muhammud

Demanded the protection of armed bodyguards, even in a house of worship
(Qur'an 4:102)

jesus

Chastised anyone attempting
to defend him with force.
(John 18:10-12)

muhamud
What are the Greatest Commandments?
"Belief in Allah and Jihad in His cause"
(Muslim 1:149)

jesus

What are the Greatest Commandments?
"Love God and love thy neighbor as thyself."
(Matthew 22:34-40)

muhamud

Ordered a slave to build the very pulpit
from which he preached Islam.
(Bukhari 47:743)

jesus

Washed his disciples feet.
(John 13:5)

muhammud

"And fight them until there is no more. Persecution and religion is only for Allah"
(Qur'an 8:39)

jesus

"Love your enemies and pray
for those who persecute you"
(Matthew 5:44)

list of humen sacrificed today for moon god allah

2011.04.07 (Garowe, Somalia) - A peace activist is shot to death by al-Qaeda linked militants.
2011.04.07 (Kandahar, Afghanistan) - Six Afghans are murdered by a Taliban ambush.
2011.04.07 (Ashkelon, Israel) - Hamas successfully hits a school bus with an anti-tank missile, severely injuring a teenage student.
2011.04.06 (Jerma, Pakistan) - Four children playing near a pond are taken down by Mujahid bombers.
2011.04.06 (Quetta, Pakistan) - A suicide car bomber rams into a house, killing a guard and injuring several children.
2011.04.06 (Maiduguri, Nigeria) - Boko Haram Islamists gun down two people in a drive-by.
the most important source for muslim Arabs:

"And thereafter We [Allah] said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd'.".

- Qur'an 17:104 -

Any sincere muslim must recognize the Land they call "Palestine" as the Jewish Homeland, according to the book considered by muslims to be the most sacred word and Allah's ultimate revelation.

Ibn Khaldun, one of the most creditable
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4/9/2011 11:34:58 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/8/2011 7:46:42 AM, banker wrote:
At 4/7/2011 3:28:28 PM, Fatihah wrote:
Response: None of which is from the qur'an or sunnah, thus it's not the religion of islam. So your point is pointless. Your bible on the other hand is filled with the most inhumane, immoral, and most gruesome things one can think of. Let's take a look shall we.

Lev.14: 49-53- To clean the house from a plague, sprinkle the house with the blood of dead birds.

Lev.12: 1-5- females are born double polluted than males.

Luke 14:26- You must hate your family to be a disciple of Jesus.

Ephes.5: 22-24- women must submit to their husbands.

Isaiah 7:20 God shaves with a high razor.

2 Samuels 22:11- God rides on a cherub.( Animal with wings or a naked female with wings).

Then it gets even more disgusting.

Ezekiel.16:8 God makes love to a young girl. Verses 16-34, she becomes a whore and 35-42, God punishes her out of jealousy.

You really have to read this part. In 2Samuels 12:2-5, David sleeps with the Wife of Uriah and she conceives a child. Verses 6-13, King David invites Uriah over for a meal and afterwards he sleeps at the door of King David's house.

Now watch this.

Verses 14 - 27, David gives a letter to Uriah to give to Joab. The letter reads that Joab is to put Uriah on the frontline of the hottest battle so he can die. When he dies, he takes Uriah's mourning wife and marries her, and she bares his son. This displeased God.

But wait. I'm not finished yet. It get's even more despicable.

The next chapter, from verse 1-13, God sends Nathan to state to David that HE is displeased by the fact that David abused his authority by having s child with Uriah's wife and then having him killed. But.......God actually forgave David. Instead...............as verses 14- 18 read, God instead kills his newborn child!!

What!!!

2 Samuels 13: 10-14- David's son Amnon rapes his own sister Tamar.

That's enough. I could go on for days. The difference between this post and yours, nothing of which you stated is in the qur'an or sunnah, thus it does not demonstrate negativity about the religion of islam. However, what I've just posted is actually scriptural and found in your bible. And when we consider the number of Christian preachers caught out molesting children and committing mass murder and crimes as well, it is clear that your religion of Christianity is clearly the one with the stench of perverted immorality, not the just religion of peace which is islam.

none of witch is in islam? lol reality is not your favorite subject read again and watch not to be hurt by reality...!! it might turn you away from your humen secrificing idol..!!

more here every time you lie:

muhammud

According to his followers:
Had others give their lives for him.
(Sahih Muslim 4413)

jesus

According to his followers:
Gave his life for others.
(John 18:11 and elsewhere

muhamud:

Advocated crucifying others.
(Qur'an 5:33, Muslim 16:4131)

jesus

Was crucified himself.

muhammud

Died fat and wealthy from what was
taken from others in war or
demanded from others in tribute.

jesus

Demanded nothing for himself.
Died without possessions

muhammud

Demanded the protection of armed bodyguards, even in a house of worship
(Qur'an 4:102)

jesus

Chastised anyone attempting
to defend him with force.
(John 18:10-12)

muhamud
What are the Greatest Commandments?
"Belief in Allah and Jihad in His cause"
(Muslim 1:149)

jesus

What are the Greatest Commandments?
"Love God and love thy neighbor as thyself."
(Matthew 22:34-40)

muhamud

Ordered a slave to build the very pulpit
from which he preached Islam.
(Bukhari 47:743)

jesus

Washed his disciples feet.
(John 13:5)

muhammud

"And fight them until there is no more. Persecution and religion is only for Allah"
(Qur'an 8:39)

jesus

"Love your enemies and pray
for those who persecute you"
(Matthew 5:44)

list of humen sacrificed today for moon god allah

2011.04.07 (Garowe, Somalia) - A peace activist is shot to death by al-Qaeda linked militants.
2011.04.07 (Kandahar, Afghanistan) - Six Afghans are murdered by a Taliban ambush.
2011.04.07 (Ashkelon, Israel) - Hamas successfully hits a school bus with an anti-tank missile, severely injuring a teenage student.
2011.04.06 (Jerma, Pakistan) - Four children playing near a pond are taken down by Mujahid bombers.
2011.04.06 (Quetta, Pakistan) - A suicide car bomber rams into a house, killing a guard and injuring several children.
2011.04.06 (Maiduguri, Nigeria) - Boko Haram Islamists gun down two people in a drive-by.

Response: Still in denial? Apparently, reality is a disease to you. Let me help you out again.

Response: None of which is from the qur'an or sunnah, thus it's not the religion of islam. So your point is pointless. Your bible on the other hand is filled with the most inhumane, immoral, and most gruesome things one can think of. Let's take a look shall we.

Lev.14: 49-53- To clean the house from a plague, sprinkle the house with the blood of dead birds.

Lev.12: 1-5- females are born double polluted than males.

Luke 14:26- You must hate your family to be a disciple of Jesus.

Ephes.5: 22-24- women must submit to their husbands.

Isaiah 7:20 God shaves with a high razor.

2 Samuels 22:11- God rides on a cherub.( Animal with wings or a naked female with wings).

Then it gets even more disgusting.

Ezekiel.16:8 God makes love to a young girl. Verses 16-34, she becomes a whore and 35-42, God punishes her out of jealousy.

You really have to read this part. In 2Samuels 12:2-5, David sleeps with the Wife of Uriah and she conceives a child. Verses 6-13, King David invites Uriah over for a meal and afterwards he sleeps at the door of King David's house.

Now watch this.

Verses 14 - 27, David gives a letter to Uriah to give to Joab. The letter reads that Joab is to put Uriah on the frontline of the hottest battle so he can die. When he dies, he takes Uriah's mourning wife and marries her, and she bares his son. This displeased God.

But wait. I'm not finished yet. It get's even more despicable.

The next chapter, from verse 1-13, God sends Nathan to state to David that HE is displeased by the fact that David abused his authority by having s child with Uriah's wife and then having him killed. But.......God actually forgave David. Instead...............as verses 14- 18 read, God instead kills his newborn child!!

What!!!

2 Samuels 13: 10-14- David's son Amnon rapes his own sister Tamar.

That's enough. I could go on for days. The difference between this post and yours, nothing of which you stated is in the qur'an or sunnah, thus it does not demonstrate negativity about the religion of islam. However, what I've just posted is actually scriptural and found in your bible. And when we consider the number of Christian preachers caught out molesting children and committing mass murder and crimes as well, it is clear that your religion of Christianity is clearly the one with the stench of perverted immorality, not the just religion of peace which is islam.
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4/10/2011 10:14:47 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/9/2011 11:34:58 AM, Fatihah wrote:
At 4/8/2011 7:46:42 AM, banker wrote:
At 4/7/2011 3:28:28 PM, Fatihah wrote:
Response: None of which is from the qur'an or sunnah, thus it's not the religion of islam. So your point is pointless. Your bible on the other hand is filled with the most inhumane, immoral, and most gruesome things one can think of. Let's take a look shall we.

your capacity for deception as a whole is amazing. Terrorists homan sacrificing idol worshipers touting the glories of the "Religion of Peace" are the modern day descendants of ancient pagan tribes. These primitive groups worshipped the barbaric idols Molech and Baal and have changed little in nearly three thousand years. King David of Israel battled these desert warriors and brought about the wonders of Ancient Israel and knew well the methodology of the peoples that are identified today as Arab. We shall look to the Book of Psalms for an astoundingly prescient analysis of the Pagan Death Cult known as Islam
Lev.14: 49-53- To clean the house from a plague, sprinkle the house with the blood of dead birds.

cleansed. Wherever the blood of Christ is applied for justification, the oil of the Spirit is applied for sanctification; these two cannot be separated. We have here the gracious provision the law made for poor lepers. The poor are as welcome to God's altar as the rich. But though a meaner sacrifice was accepted from the poor, yet the same ceremony was used for the rich; their souls are as precious, and Christ and his gospel are the same to both. Even for the poor one lamb was necessary. No

sinner could be saved, had it not been for the Lamb that was slain, and hath redeemed us to God with his blood. (Le 14:33-53)

muhammud

According to his followers:
Had others give their lives for him.
(Sahih Muslim 4413)

jesus

According to his followers:
Gave his life for others.
(John 18:11 and elsewhere

Lev.12: 1-5- females are born double polluted than males.

"Leviticus 12. (12:1-8) "She shall be unclean." Women are dirty and sinful after childbirth, so God prescribes rituals for their purification."
that makes you a lier like muhammud "Muslim Prophet became notorious for his statement that "War is Deception".
you just took out the end how god keeps them clean
Luke 14:26- You must hate your family to be a disciple of Jesus.

again lied like muhammud
Luke 14:26- "If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters—yes, even their own life—such a person cannot be my disciple.
Ephes.5: 22-24- women must submit to their husbands.

Isaiah 7:20 God shaves with a high razor.

2 Samuels 22:11- God rides on a cherub.( Animal with wings or a naked female with wings).

Then it gets even more disgusting.

Ezekiel.16:8 God makes love to a young girl. Verses 16-34, she becomes a whore and 35-42, God punishes her out of jealousy.

again lies...! twisting a story of how god punished a prophet with insulting him for the prophet requested god to not forgive sins..!!

sure a idol warshiper would love prophats who request humon sacrifice like allah..!!

You really have to read this part. In 2Samuels 12:2-5, David sleeps with the Wife of Uriah and she conceives a child. Verses 6-13, King David invites Uriah over for a meal and afterwards he sleeps at the door of King David's house.

Now watch this.

Verses 14 - 27, David gives a letter to Uriah to give to Joab. The letter reads that Joab is to put Uriah on the frontline of the hottest battle so he can die. When he dies, he takes Uriah's mourning wife and marries her, and she bares his son. This displeased God.

now why are they so hatefull to king david? would thay admit muhammuds beastery? sure no so why david? well here is one who predicted allahs trickery...!

Bukhari:V7B67N427 "The Prophet said, 'If I take an oath and later find something else better than that, then I do what is better and expiate my oath.'"
YOU CAN LIE WHEN IT BECOMES CONVENIENT! (This dogma has come to be known as "Abrogation" - i.e. a later "Revelation" Cancels out the earlier versions. Since the most Violent surahs 4 in the Koran were 'revealed' last, Islam admits that it is by nature an ideology of conquest and terror) King David recorded in Psalm 58:3 "The wicked are estranged from the land. 5 They go astray as soon as they are born, speaking lies." Remember that David lived 2,600 years before Mohammed.

But wait. I'm not finished yet. It get's even more despicable.

The next chapter, from verse 1-13, God sends Nathan to state to David that HE is displeased by the fact that David abused his authority by having s child with Uriah's wife and then having him killed. But.......God actually forgave David. Instead...............as verses 14- 18 read, God instead kills his newborn child!!

lets ignore the blatant lie its just him doing it in hanor of allah war is deception orders and explain this..!!

king david pleaded to god for his forgiveness unlike muhammud who turned evil as a example for others david admited his wrong..!!

Have mercy upon me, O God, according to Your lovingkindness; according to the multitude of Your tender mercies, blot out my transgressions. Wash me thoroughly from my iniquity, and cleanse me from my sin. For I acknowledge my transgressions, and my sin is always before me. Against You, You only, have I sinned, and done this evil in Your sightâ€"that You may be found just when You speak, and blameless when You judge . . . . Create in me a clean heart, O God, and renew a steadfast spirit within me. Do not cast me away from Your presence, and do not take Your Holy Spirit from me. Restore to me the joy of Your salvation, and uphold me by Your generous Spirit . . . . The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit, a broken and a contrite heartâ€"these, O God, You will not despise. Psalm 51:1-2, 10-11, and 17
What!!!

God called David a man after His own heart, and yet we know that David committed some great sins, especially in the case of Uriah and Bathsheba. How can we reconcile this; Psalm 51 is the answer. After Nathan the prophet came and confronted David with his sin, David fell before the Lord asking forgiveness and penned Psalm 51.
2 Samuels 13: 10-14- David's son Amnon rapes his own sister Tamar.

and since its not islam he was punished and did not become a prophat

That's enough. I could go on for days. The difference between this post and yours, nothing of which you stated is in the qur'an or sunnah, thus it does not demonstrate negativity about the religion of islam. However, what I've just posted is actually scriptural and found in your bible. And when we consider the number of Christian preachers caught out molesting children and committing mass murder and crimes as well, it is clear that your religion of Christianity is clearly the one with the stench of perverted immorality, not the just religion of peace which is islam.

none of witch is in islam? lol reality is not your favorite subject read again and watch not to be hurt by reality...!! it might turn you away from your humen secrificing idol..!!

Bukhari:V5B59N369 "Allah's Apostle said, 'Who is willing to kill Ka'b bin Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?' Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslamah got up saying, 'O Allah's Apostle! Would you like me to kill him?' The Prophet said, 'Yes,' Maslamah said, 'Then allow me to say false things in order to deceive him.' The Prophet said, 'You may say such things.'"
Ok - the "Holy Prophet" of Islam says "IT IS OK TO LIE SO YOU CAN KILL!" - they call this A RELIGION? David understood and reminds us in Psalm 115:5 "They have mouths, but they speak not; eyes have they but they see not; 6 They have ears but they hear no
the most important source for muslim Arabs:

"And thereafter We [Allah] said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd'.".

- Qur'an 17:104 -

Any sincere muslim must recognize the Land they call "Palestine" as the Jewish Homeland, according to the book considered by muslims to be the most sacred word and Allah's ultimate revelation.

Ibn Khaldun, one of the most creditable
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4/10/2011 10:33:54 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/3/2011 12:35:00 PM, banker wrote:
Muhammad...

Said Allah hates those who don't accept Islam.
(Qur'an 30:4, 3:32, 22:38)

Jesus...
Said God loves everyone.
(John 3:16)

muhamud

"I have been commanded to fight
against people till they testify that there
is no god but Allah, and that Muhammad
is the messenger of Allah"
(Muslim 1:33)

jesus

"He who lives by the sword
will die by the sword."
(Matthew 26:52)

muhamud

Stoned women for adultery.
(Muslim 4206)

jesus

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."
(John 8:7)

muhamud

Permitted stealing from unbelievers.
(Bukhari 44:668, Ibn Ishaq 764)

jesus

"Thou shalt not steal."
(Matthew 19:18)

muhamud

Permitted lying.
(Sahih Muslim 6303, Bukhari 49:857)

jesus

"Thou shalt not bear false witness."
(Matthew 19:18)

muhamud

Owned and traded slaves.
(Sahih Muslim 3901)

jesus
Neither owned nor traded slaves.

muhamud

Beheaded 800 Jewish men and boys.
(Sahih Muslim 4390)

jesus

Beheaded no one.

muhamud

Murdered those who insulted him,even kids.
(Bukhari 56:369, 4:241)

jesus

Preached forgiveness.
(Matthew 18:21-22, 5:38)

muhamud

"If then anyone transgresses
the prohibition against you,
Transgress ye likewise against him"
(Qur'an 2:194)

jesus

"If someone strikes you on the right
cheek, turn to him the other also."
(Matthew 5:39)

muhamud

Jihad in the way of Allah elevates one's position in Paradise by a hundred fold.
(Muslim 4645)

jesus

"Blessed are the peacemakers, for
they will be called Sons of God"
(Matthew 5:9)

muhamud

Married 13 wives and kept sex slaves.
(Bukhari 5:268, Qur'an 33:50)

jesus

Was celibate.

muhamud

Slept with a 9-year-old child.
(Sahih Muslim 3309, Bukhari 58:236)

jesus

Did not have sex with children.

muhamud

Ordered the murder of women.
(Ibn Ishaq 819, 995)

jesus

Never harmed a woman.

muhamud

"O you who believe! Fight those of the
unbelievers who are near to you
and let them find in you hardness."
(Qur'an 3:110)

jesus

Blessed are the meek, for
they shall inherit the earth."
(Matthew 5:5):

My, my, my... Aren't you selective? Why don't you read the Old Testament some time, Banker. In terms of sheer brutality, it makes the Qur'an look like a children's book.

You're just totally sold out on embodying every neo-con and fundy stereotype, eh...
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4/10/2011 10:51:45 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
well its true that libs support mocking of christians but they are not alone here you have more of what you talk about..!!

here is your muslim friends treat christians living in mid east

At 4/9/2011 11:34:58 AM, Fatihah wrote:
At 4/8/2011 7:46:42 AM, banker wrote:
At 4/7/2011 3:28:28 PM, Fatihah wrote:
Response: None of which is from the qur'an or sunnah, thus it's not the religion of islam. So your point is pointless. Your bible on the other hand is filled with the most inhumane, immoral, and most gruesome things one can think of. Let's take a look shall we.

Lev.14: 49-53- To clean the house from a plague, sprinkle the house with the blood of dead birds.

Lev.12: 1-5- females are born double polluted than males.

Luke 14:26- You must hate your family to be a disciple of Jesus.

Ephes.5: 22-24- women must submit to their husbands.

Isaiah 7:20 God shaves with a high razor.

2 Samuels 22:11- God rides on a cherub.( Animal with wings or a naked female with wings).

Then it gets even more disgusting.

Ezekiel.16:8 God makes love to a young girl. Verses 16-34, she becomes a whore and 35-42, God punishes her out of jealousy.

You really have to read this part. In 2Samuels 12:2-5, David sleeps with the Wife of Uriah and she conceives a child. Verses 6-13, King David invites Uriah over for a meal and afterwards he sleeps at the door of King David's house.

Now watch this.

Verses 14 - 27, David gives a letter to Uriah to give to Joab. The letter reads that Joab is to put Uriah on the frontline of the hottest battle so he can die. When he dies, he takes Uriah's mourning wife and marries her, and she bares his son. This displeased God.

But wait. I'm not finished yet. It get's even more despicable.

The next chapter, from verse 1-13, God sends Nathan to state to David that HE is displeased by the fact that David abused his authority by having s child with Uriah's wife and then having him killed. But.......God actually forgave David. Instead...............as verses 14- 18 read, God instead kills his newborn child!!

What!!!

2 Samuels 13: 10-14- David's son Amnon rapes his own sister Tamar.

That's enough. I could go on for days. The difference between this post and yours, nothing of which you stated is in the qur'an or sunnah, thus it does not demonstrate negativity about the religion of islam. However, what I've just posted is actually scriptural and found in your bible. And when we consider the number of Christian preachers caught out molesting children and committing mass murder and crimes as well, it is clear that your religion of Christianity is clearly the one with the stench of perverted immorality, not the just religion of peace which is islam.

none of witch is in islam? lol reality is not your favorite subject read again and watch not to be hurt by reality...!! it might turn you away from your humen secrificing idol..!!

more here every time you lie:

muhammud

According to his followers:
Had others give their lives for him.
(Sahih Muslim 4413)

jesus

According to his followers:
Gave his life for others.
(John 18:11 and elsewhere

muhamud:

Advocated crucifying others.
(Qur'an 5:33, Muslim 16:4131)

jesus

Was crucified himself.

muhammud

Died fat and wealthy from what was
taken from others in war or
demanded from others in tribute.

jesus

Demanded nothing for himself.
Died without possessions

muhammud

Demanded the protection of armed bodyguards, even in a house of worship
(Qur'an 4:102)

jesus

Chastised anyone attempting
to defend him with force.
(John 18:10-12)

muhamud
What are the Greatest Commandments?
"Belief in Allah and Jihad in His cause"
(Muslim 1:149)

jesus

What are the Greatest Commandments?
"Love God and love thy neighbor as thyself."
(Matthew 22:34-40)

muhamud

Ordered a slave to build the very pulpit
from which he preached Islam.
(Bukhari 47:743)

jesus

Washed his disciples feet.
(John 13:5)

muhammud

"And fight them until there is no more. Persecution and religion is only for Allah"
(Qur'an 8:39)

jesus

"Love your enemies and pray
for those who persecute you"
(Matthew 5:44)

list of humen sacrificed today for moon god allah

2011.04.07 (Garowe, Somalia) - A peace activist is shot to death by al-Qaeda linked militants.
2011.04.07 (Kandahar, Afghanistan) - Six Afghans are murdered by a Taliban ambush.
But wait. I'm not finished yet. It get's even more despicable.

The next chapter, from verse 1-13, God sends Nathan to state to David that HE is displeased by the fact that David abused his authority by having s child with Uriah's wife and then having him killed. But.......God actually forgave David. Instead...............as verses 14- 18 read, God instead kills his newborn child!!

What!!!

2 Samuels 13: 10-14- David's son Amnon rapes his own sister Tamar.

That's enough. I could go on for days. The difference between this post and yours, nothing of which you stated is in the qur'an or sunnah, thus it does not demonstrate negativity about the religion of islam. However, what I've just posted is actually scriptural and found in your bible. And when we consider the number of Christian preachers caught out molesting children and committing mass murder and crimes as well, it is clear that your religion of Christianity is clearly the one with the stench of perverted immoral
the most important source for muslim Arabs:

"And thereafter We [Allah] said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd'.".

- Qur'an 17:104 -

Any sincere muslim must recognize the Land they call "Palestine" as the Jewish Homeland, according to the book considered by muslims to be the most sacred word and Allah's ultimate revelation.

Ibn Khaldun, one of the most creditable
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4/10/2011 10:58:16 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
more on how correct you are on christian mocking

At 4/10/2011 10:33:54 AM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
At 4/3/2011 12:35:00 PM, banker wrote:
Muhammad...

Said Allah hates those who don't accept Islam.
(Qur'an 30:4, 3:32, 22:38)

Jesus...
Said God loves everyone.
(John 3:16)

muhamud

"I have been commanded to fight
against people till they testify that there
is no god but Allah, and that Muhammad
is the messenger of Allah"
(Muslim 1:33)

jesus

"He who lives by the sword
will die by the sword."
(Matthew 26:52)

muhamud

Stoned women for adultery.
(Muslim 4206)

jesus

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."
(John 8:7)

muhamud

Permitted stealing from unbelievers.
(Bukhari 44:668, Ibn Ishaq 764)

jesus

"Thou shalt not steal."
(Matthew 19:18)

muhamud

Permitted lying.
(Sahih Muslim 6303, Bukhari 49:857)

jesus

"Thou shalt not bear false witness."
(Matthew 19:18)

muhamud

Owned and traded slaves.
(Sahih Muslim 3901)

jesus
Neither owned nor traded slaves.

muhamud

Beheaded 800 Jewish men and boys.
(Sahih Muslim 4390)

jesus

Beheaded no one.

muhamud

Murdered those who insulted him,even kids.
(Bukhari 56:369, 4:241)

jesus


muhamud

Married 13 wives and kept sex slaves.
(Bukhari 5:268, Qur'an 33:50)

jesus

Was celibate.

muhamud

Slept with a 9-year-old child.
(Sahih Muslim 3309, Bukhari 58:236)

jesus

Did not have sex with children.

muhamud

Ordered the murder of women.
(Ibn Ishaq 819, 995)

jesus

Never harmed a woman.

muhamud

"O you who believe! Fight those of the
unbelievers who are near to you
and let them find in you hardness."
(Qur'an 3:110)

jesus

Blessed are the meek, for
they shall inherit the earth."
(Matthew 5:5):

My, my, my... Aren't you selective? Why don't you read the Old Testament some time, Banker. In terms of sheer brutality, it makes the Qur'an look like a children's book.

You're just totally sold out on embodying every neo-con and fundy stereotype, eh...
the most important source for muslim Arabs:

"And thereafter We [Allah] said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd'.".

- Qur'an 17:104 -

Any sincere muslim must recognize the Land they call "Palestine" as the Jewish Homeland, according to the book considered by muslims to be the most sacred word and Allah's ultimate revelation.

Ibn Khaldun, one of the most creditable
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4/10/2011 11:25:52 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/10/2011 10:33:54 AM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
At 4/3/2011 12:35:00 PM, banker wrote:
Muhammad...

Said Allah hates those who don't accept Islam.
(Qur'an 30:4, 3:32, 22:38)

Jesus...
Said God loves everyone.
(John 3:16)

muhamud

"I have been commanded to fight
against people till they testify that there
is no god but Allah, and that Muhammad
is the messenger of Allah"
(Muslim 1:33)

jesus

"He who lives by the sword
will die by the sword."
(Matthew 26:52)

muhamud

Stoned women for adultery.
(Muslim 4206)

jesus

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."
(John 8:7)

muhamud

Permitted stealing from unbelievers.
(Bukhari 44:668, Ibn Ishaq 764)

jesus

"Thou shalt not steal."
(Matthew 19:18)

muhamud

Permitted lying.
(Sahih Muslim 6303, Bukhari 49:857)

jesus

"Thou shalt not bear false witness."
(Matthew 19:18)

muhamud

Owned and traded slaves.
(Sahih Muslim 3901)

jesus
Neither owned nor traded slaves.

muhamud

Beheaded 800 Jewish men and boys.
(Sahih Muslim 4390)

jesus

Beheaded no one.

muhamud

Murdered those who insulted him,even kids.
(Bukhari 56:369, 4:241)

jesus

Preached forgiveness.
(Matthew 18:21-22, 5:38)

muhamud

"If then anyone transgresses
the prohibition against you,
Transgress ye likewise against him"
(Qur'an 2:194)

jesus

"If someone strikes you on the right
cheek, turn to him the other also."
(Matthew 5:39)

muhamud

Jihad in the way of Allah elevates one's position in Paradise by a hundred fold.
(Muslim 4645)

jesus

"Blessed are the peacemakers, for
they will be called Sons of God"
(Matthew 5:9)

muhamud

Married 13 wives and kept sex slaves.
(Bukhari 5:268, Qur'an 33:50)

jesus

Was celibate.

muhamud

Slept with a 9-year-old child.
(Sahih Muslim 3309, Bukhari 58:236)

jesus

Did not have sex with children.

muhamud

Ordered the murder of women.
(Ibn Ishaq 819, 995)

jesus

Never harmed a woman.

muhamud

"O you who believe! Fight those of the
unbelievers who are near to you
and let them find in you hardness."
(Qur'an 3:110)

jesus

Blessed are the meek, for
they shall inherit the earth."
(Matthew 5:5):

My, my, my... Aren't you selective? Why don't you read the Old Testament some time, Banker. In terms of sheer brutality, it makes the Qur'an look like a children's book.

You're just totally sold out on embodying every neo-con and fundy stereotype, eh...
the most important source for muslim Arabs:

"And thereafter We [Allah] said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd'.".

- Qur'an 17:104 -

Any sincere muslim must recognize the Land they call "Palestine" as the Jewish Homeland, according to the book considered by muslims to be the most sacred word and Allah's ultimate revelation.

Ibn Khaldun, one of the most creditable
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4/11/2011 9:23:49 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/10/2011 10:14:47 AM, banker wrote:

Lev.14: 49-53- To clean the house from a plague, sprinkle the house with the blood of dead birds.

cleansed. Wherever the blood of Christ is applied for justification, the oil of the Spirit is applied for sanctification; these two cannot be separated. We have here the gracious provision the law made for poor lepers. The poor are as welcome to God's altar as the rich. But though a meaner sacrifice was accepted from the poor, yet the same ceremony was used for the rich; their souls are as precious, and Christ and his gospel are the same to both. Even for the poor one lamb was necessary. No

sinner could be saved, had it not been for the Lamb that was slain, and hath redeemed us to God with his blood. (Le 14:33-53)



Lev.12: 1-5- females are born double polluted than males.

"Leviticus 12. (12:1-8) "She shall be unclean." Women are dirty and sinful after childbirth, so God prescribes rituals for their purification."
that makes you a lier like muhammud "Muslim Prophet became notorious for his statement that "War is Deception".
you just took out the end how god keeps them clean
Luke 14:26- You must hate your family to be a disciple of Jesus.

again lied like muhammud
Luke 14:26- "If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters—yes, even their own life—such a person cannot be my disciple.
Ephes.5: 22-24- women must submit to their husbands.

Isaiah 7:20 God shaves with a high razor.

2 Samuels 22:11- God rides on a cherub.( Animal with wings or a naked female with wings).

Then it gets even more disgusting.

Ezekiel.16:8 God makes love to a young girl. Verses 16-34, she becomes a whore and 35-42, God punishes her out of jealousy.


sure a idol warshiper would love prophats who request humon sacrifice like allah..!!


You really have to read this part. In 2Samuels 12:2-5, David sleeps with the Wife of Uriah and she conceives a child. Verses 6-13, King David invites Uriah over for a meal and afterwards he sleeps at the door of King David's house.

Now watch this.

Verses 14 - 27, David gives a letter to Uriah to give to Joab. The letter reads that Joab is to put Uriah on the frontline of the hottest battle so he can die. When he dies, he takes Uriah's mourning wife and marries her, and she bares his son. This displeased God.



But wait. I'm not finished yet. It get's even more despicable.

The next chapter, from verse 1-13, God sends Nathan to state to David that HE is displeased by the fact that David abused his authority by having s child with Uriah's wife and then having him killed. But.......God actually forgave David. Instead...............as verses 14- 18 read, God instead kills his newborn child!!

lets ignore the blatant lie its just him doing it in hanor of allah war is deception orders and explain this..!!

king david pleaded to god for his forgiveness unlike muhammud who turned evil as a example for others david admited his wrong..!!

What!!!

God called David a man after His own heart, and yet we know that David committed some great sins, especially in the case of Uriah and Bathsheba. How can we reconcile this; Psalm 51 is the answer. After Nathan the prophet came and confronted David with his sin, David fell before the Lord asking forgiveness and penned Psalm 51.
2 Samuels 13: 10-14- David's son Amnon rapes his own sister Tamar.



That's enough. I could go on for days. The difference between this post and yours, nothing of which you stated is in the qur'an or sunnah, thus it does not demonstrate negativity about the religion of islam. However, what I've just posted is actually scriptural and found in your bible. And when we consider the number of Christian preachers caught out molesting children and committing mass murder and crimes as well, it is clear that your religion of Christianity is clearly the one with the stench of perverted immorality, not the just religion of peace which is islam.

none of witch is in islam? lol reality is not your favorite subject read again and watch not to be hurt by reality...!! it might turn you away from your humen secrificing idol..!!

Bukhari:V5B59N369 "Allah's Apostle said, 'Who is willing to kill Ka'b bin Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?' Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslamah got up saying, 'O Allah's Apostle! Would you like me to kill him?' The Prophet said, 'Yes,' Maslamah said, 'Then allow me to say false things in order to deceive him.' The Prophet said, 'You may say such things.'"
Ok - the "Holy Prophet" of Islam says "IT IS OK TO LIE SO YOU CAN KILL!" - they call this A RELIGION? David understood and remind

Response:We once again see you not let us down in your ridiculous rebuttals. After displaying the trifling things within your own bible, you still defend its disgraceful words. After showing that the bible itself says to clean a plague by sprinkling the house with the blood of dead birds in Leviticus 14: 49-53, you respond with a strawman talking about .....poor people. You're just too funny. And we still see that your bible says that women are duble polluted when giving birth to females, God having sex with a whore, and other disgusting things, to which you've failed to justify. Clearly, you're bible is a disgrace.

As for the Bukhri hadith, you only help to draw more attention to your absurdity. For you have quoted a hadith which relates to self-defense from the military expeditions of non-muslims who wanted to kill Muhammad. The hadith itself in which you quoted clearly shows because the hadith in which you quoted is from the Bukhari collection under the subtite "military expedition" while the words "'Who is willing to kill Ka'b bin Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?" is mentioned in the hadith. Thus the hadith refers to killing the person who hurt the Prophrt Muhammad in a military expedition, thus self-defense. THerefore, you've proved nothing, for self-defense is not unjust. But killing a man just to marry his wife and then God kills the man's son( an innocent child) is clearly a disgusting crime, thus so is your bible, as we see such a story in 2 Samuels.
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4/12/2011 5:49:00 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
i see you defend muhamuds right to kill kids and women with the self defance argument..! its more then bizare to me. how does one excuse a warior with self defance against kids..? wel.: however its logical to you i assume..!! i just wonder why if so the birds -you complain about used in bible for cleansing women- could not qualify for that argument? is the self defance axcuse only to kill kids not birds..?

birds kiling in bible is somthing you believe is harsh see what muslims sacrificed for allah today..!!

2011.04.11 (Kidero, Dagestan) - Three policemen die when Islamic militants ambush them with machine-guns.
2011.04.10 (Baramulla, India) - A young man is shot to death by Islamic militants.
2011.04.10 (Baghdad, Iraq) - al-Qaeda is suspected of killing a jeweler and his son at their shop.
2011.04.10 (Farah, Afghanistan) - Three tribal elders are dismantled by Taliban bombers.
2011.04.09 (Kizlyar, Dagestan) - A local imam who spoke out against Islamic radicalism is gunned down outside his home.
2011.04.09 (Mosul, Iraq) - Suspected fundamentalists shoot a university professor to death outside his home.

about women in quran

The Qur'an:
Qur'an (4:34) - "Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great."

Qur'an (38:44) - "And take in your hand a green branch and beat her with it, and do not break your oath..." Allah telling Job to beat his wife.

From the Hadith:

Bukhari (72:715) - A woman came to Muhammad and begged her to stop her husband from beating her. Her skin was bruised so badly that she it is described as being "greener" than the green veil she was wearing. Muhammad did not admonish her husband, but instead ordered her to return to him and submit to his sexual desires.

Bukhari (72:715) - "Aisha said, 'I have not seen any woman suffering as much as the believing women'" This is Muhammad's own wife complaining of the abuse that the women of her religions suffer relative to other women.

Muslim (4:2127) - Muhammad struck his favorite wife, Aisha, in the chest one evening when she left the house without his permission. Aisha narrates, "He struck me on the chest which caused me pain."

Muslim (9:3506) - Muhammad's father-in-laws (Abu Bakr and Umar) amused him by slapping his wives (Aisha and Hafsa) for annoying him. According to the Hadith, the prophet of Islam laughed upon hearing this.

Abu Dawud (2141) - "Iyas bin ‘Abd Allah bin Abi Dhubab reported the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) as saying: Do not beat Allah's handmaidens, but when ‘Umar came to the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) and said: Women have become emboldened towards their husbands, he (the Prophet) gave permission to beat them." At first, Muhammad forbade men from beating their wives, but he rescinded this once it was reported that women were becoming emboldened toward their husbands. Beatings are sometimes necessary to keep women in their place.

Abu Dawud (2142) - "The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: A man will not be asked as to why he beat his wife."

Abu Dawud (2126) - "A man from the Ansar called Basrah said: 'I married a virgin woman in her veil. When I entered upon her, I found her pregnant. (I mentioned this to the Prophet).' The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: 'She will get the dower, for you made her vagina lawful for you. The child will be your slave. When she has begotten (a child), flog her'" A Muslim man thinks his is getting a virgin, then finds out she is pregnant. Muhammad tells him to treat the woman as a sex slave and then flog her after she has delivered the child.

Ishaq 969 - Commands that a married woman be "put in a separate room and beaten lightly" if she "act in a sexual manner toward others." According to the Hadith, this can be for an offense as petty as merely being alone with a man to whom she is not related

Others are not nearly as squeamish. Sheikh Yousef al-Qaradhawi, one of the most respected Muslim clerics in the world, once made the famous (and somewhat ridiculous statement) that "It is forbidden to beat the woman, unless it is necessary." He also went on to say that "one may beat only to safeguard Islamic behavior," leaving no doubt that wife-beating is a matter of religious sanction. (source)

Dr. Muzammil Saddiqi, the former president of ISNA (the Islamic Society of North America), a mainstream Muslim organization, says it is important that a wife "recognizes the authority of her husband in the house" and that he may use physical force if he is "sure it would improve the situation." (source)

Sheikh Dr. Ahmad Muhammad Ahmad Al-Tayyeb, the head of Al-Azhar, Sunni Islam's most prestigious institution says that "light beatings" and "punching" are part of a program to "reform the wife". (source)

During Ramadan of 2010, another cleric named Sa'd Arafat actually said the woman is "honored" by the beating (source). No one else seemed surprised.

According to Islamic law, a husband may strike his wife for any one of the following four reasons:

- She does not attempt to make herself beautiful for him (ie. "let's herself go")

- She refuses to meet his sexual demands

- She leaves the house without his permission or for a "legitimate reason"

- She neglects her religious duties

Any of these are also sufficient grounds for divorce.

Muslim apologists sometimes say that Muhammad ordered that women not be harmed, but they are actually basing this on what he said before or during battle, such as in Bukhari (59:447), when Muhammad issued a command for all the men of Quraiza be killed and the women and children taken as slaves. (Having your husband murdered and being forced into sexual slavery apparently doesn't qualify as "harm" under the Islamic model).

But, in fact, there are a number of cases in which Muhammad did have women killed in the most brutal fashion. One was Asma bint Marwan, a mother or five, who wrote a poem criticizing the Medinans for accepting Muhammad after he had ordered the murder of an elderly man. In this case, the prophet's assassins literally pulled a sleeping infant from her breast and stabbed her to death.

After taking Mecca in 630, Muhammad also ordered the murder of a slave girl who had merely made up songs mocking him. The Hadith are rife as well with accounts of women planted in the ground on Muhammad's command and pelted to death with stones for sexual immorality - yet the prophet of Islam actually encouraged his own men to rape women captured in battle (Abu Dawood 2150, Muslim 3433) and did not punish them for killing non-Muslim women (as Khalid ibn Walid did on several occasions - see Ibn Ishaq 838 and 856).

In summary, according to the Qur'an, Hadith and Islamic law, a woman may indeed have physical harm done to her if the circumstances warrant, with one such allowance being in the case of disobedience. This certainly does not mean that all Muslim men beat their wives, only that Islam permits them to do so.



But wait. I'm not finished yet. It get's even more despicable.

The next chapter, from verse 1-13, God sends Nathan to state to David that HE is displeased by the fact that David abused his authority by having s child with Uriah's wife and then having him killed. But.......God actually forgave David. Instead...............as verses 14- 18 read, God instead kills his newborn child!!

lets ignore the blatant lie its just him doing it in hanor of allah war is deception orders and explain this..!!
the most important source for muslim Arabs:

"And thereafter We [Allah] said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd'.".

- Qur'an 17:104 -

Any sincere muslim must recognize the Land they call "Palestine" as the Jewish Homeland, according to the book considered by muslims to be the most sacred word and Allah's ultimate revelation.

Ibn Khaldun, one of the most creditable
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4/13/2011 12:17:02 AM
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exelent points well written it seems to me that there is evidence from the scriptures that both Christianity as well as Islam are not religions of peace but rather of violence (which leaves the Jews as the peaceful ones but no one denied that.). but actions speak louder than words the Christians began peacefully and are relatively (somewhat) peaceful today till not long ago the were terribly violent particularly in the era of the crusades followed by the inquisition. as for Islam we find just the opposite it began with violence followed by relative peace but today have taken up violence again. (I find it ironic how the two religions seem to switch off.) it seems the only true major religions that are peaceful are the Budaists the Hinduist and the Jews
http://www.nydailynews.com...

royalpaladin: I'd rather support people who kill spies than a nation that organizes assassination squads (Kidon) to illegally enter into other nations and kill anybody who is not a Zionist. Who knows when they'll kill me for the crime of not supporting Israel?

Koopin: LOL! I just imagine Royal sitting in here apartment at night, when suddenly she hears a man outside speaking Hebrew as sh
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4/13/2011 12:19:20 AM
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I enjoyed your post. my question is how do you explain the crusades and the inquisition?
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royalpaladin: I'd rather support people who kill spies than a nation that organizes assassination squads (Kidon) to illegally enter into other nations and kill anybody who is not a Zionist. Who knows when they'll kill me for the crime of not supporting Israel?

Koopin: LOL! I just imagine Royal sitting in here apartment at night, when suddenly she hears a man outside speaking Hebrew as sh
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4/13/2011 7:09:26 AM
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thank you

as far as crusades i wonder how its even a question.? since the birth place of jesus was the holy land.! would a jihad of muslims to retake macca-in case the christians would be the real aggrasors- be a case at all? of curse not..!!

but for starters here is the real info on how cristians once tried to defand themselves in the crusade..!

Islam spread far from its birthplace in the modern nation of Saudi Arabia. By AD1095, Muslim territory included land where Jesus Christ lived.
Christians warriors of the era believed Christians, not Muslims, should control their holy lands.
The Crusades were a series of wars initiated by Christians to win back their holy lands from Muslims.

The Crusaders were ultimately unable to reclaim their holy lands, but the wars
had another effect: Western Europeans had left their homes to fight in a distant war. The stories of the returning Crusaders encouraged their countrymen to look beyond their own villages for the first time

One Turkish tribe, the Seljuks, began moving into the Anatolian peninsula, or what we now call Turkey. These Turks were Muslims, and a Christian emperor, Alexius I, controlled the peninsula. Alexius appealed to the Pope to help him rid Anatolia of "the unbelievers."

Pope Urban II received Alexius's call for assistance, but decided to use that call to advance a more ambitious plan. Jerusalem, on the east coast of the Mediterranean Sea in the modern nation of Israel, is considered holy land to Christians, Jews and Muslims, but in 1095, the city was controlled by brutal occupant Muslims. The message from Alexius presented Urban with an opportunity to retake the holy lands from the brutal Muslim occupants. The pope called for a "War of the Cross," or Crusade, to free the holy lands from the brutal occupants

. 630 Two years before Muhammad's death of a fever, he launches the Tabuk Crusades, in which he led 30,000 jihadists against the Byzantine Christians. He had heard a report that a huge army had amassed to attack Arabia, but the report turned out to be a false rumor. The Byzantine army never materialized. He turned around and went home, but not before extracting 'agreements' from northern tribes. They could enjoy the 'privilege' of living under Islamic 'protection' (read: not be attacked by Islam), if they paid a tax (jizya).

This tax sets the stage for Muhammad's and the later Caliphs' policies. If the attacked city or region did not want to convert to Islam, then they paid a jizya tax. If they converted, then they paid a zakat tax. Either way, money flowed back to the Islamic treasury in Arabia or to the local Muslim governor.

632—634 Under the Caliphate of Abu Bakr the Muslim Crusaders reconquer and sometimes conquer for the first time the polytheists of Arabia. These Arab polytheists had to convert to Islam or die. They did not have the choice of remaining in their faith and paying a tax. Islam does not allow for religious freedom.

633 The Muslim Crusaders, led by Khalid al—Walid, a superior but bloodthirsty military commander, whom Muhammad nicknamed the Sword of Allah for his ferocity in battle (Tabari, 8:158 / 1616—17), conquer the city of Ullays along the Euphrates River (in today's Iraq). Khalid captures and beheads so many that a nearby canal, into which the blood flowed, was called Blood Canal (Tabari 11:24 / 2034—35).

634 At the Battle of Yarmuk in Syria the Muslim Crusaders defeat the Byzantines. Today Osama bin Laden draws inspiration from the defeat, and especially from an anecdote about Khalid al—Walid. An unnamed Muslim remarks: 'The Romans are so numerous and the Muslims so few.' To this Khalid retorts: 'How few are the Romans, and how many the Muslims! Armies become numerous only with victory and few only with defeat, not by the number of men. By God, I would love it . . . if the enemy were twice as many' (Tabari, 11:94 / 2095). Osama bin Ladin quotes Khalid and says that his fighters love death more than we in the West love life. This philosophy of death probably comes from a verse like Sura 2:96. Muhammad assesses the Jews: '[Prophet], you are sure to find them [the Jews] clinging to life more eagerly than any other people, even polytheists' (MAS Abdel Haleem, The Qur'an, Oxford UP, 2004; first insertion in brackets is Haleem's; the second mine).

634—644 The Caliphate of Umar ibn al—Khattab, who is regarded as particularly brutal.

635 Muslim Crusaders besiege and conquer of Damascus

636 Muslim Crusaders defeat Byzantines decisively at Battle of Yarmuk.

637 Muslim Crusaders conquer Iraq at the Battle of al—Qadisiyyah (some date it in 635 or 636)

638 Muslim Crusaders conquer and annex Jerusalem, taking it from the Byzantines.

638—650 Muslim Crusaders conquer Iran, except along Caspian Sea.

639—642 Muslim Crusaders conquer Egypt.

641 Muslim Crusaders control Syria and Palestine.

643—707 Muslim Crusaders conquer North Africa.

644 Caliph Umar is assassinated by a Persian prisoner of war; Uthman ibn Affan is elected third Caliph, who is regarded by many Muslims as gentler than Umar.

644—650 Muslim Crusaders conquer Cyprus, Tripoli in North Africa, and establish Islamic rule in Iran, Afghanistan, and Sind.

656 Caliph Uthman is assassinated by disgruntled Muslim soldiers; Ali ibn Abi Talib, son—in—law and cousin to Muhammad, who married the prophet's daughter Fatima through his first wife Khadija, is set up as Caliph.

656 Battle of the Camel, in which Aisha, Muhammad's wife, leads a rebellion against Ali for not avenging Uthman's assassination. Ali's partisans win.

657 Battle of Siffin between Ali and Muslim governor of Jerusalem, arbitration goes against Ali

661 Murder of Ali by an extremist; Ali's supporters acclaim his son Hasan as next Caliph, but he comes to an agreement with Muawiyyah I and retires to Medina.

661—680 the Caliphate of Muawiyyah I. He founds Umayyid dynasty and moves capital from Medina to Damascus

673—678 Arabs besiege Constantinople, capital of Byzantine Empire

680 Massacre of Hussein (Muhammad's grandson), his family, and his supporters in Karbala, Iraq.

691 Dome of the Rock is completed in Jerusalem, only six decades after Muhammad's death.

705 Abd al—Malik restores Umayyad rule.

710—713 Muslim Crusaders conquer the lower Indus Valley.

711—713 Muslim Crusaders conquer Spain and impose the kingdom of Andalus. This article recounts how Muslims today still grieve over their expulsion 700 years later. They seem to believe that the land belonged to them in the first place.

719 Cordova, Spain, becomes seat of Arab governor

732 The Muslim Crusaders stopped at the Battle of Poitiers; that is, Franks (France) halt Arab advance

749 The Abbasids conquer Kufah and overthrow Umayyids

756 Foundation of Umayyid amirate in Cordova, Spain, setting up an independent kingdom from Abbasids

762 Foundation of Baghdad

785 Foundation of the Great Mosque of Cordova

789 Rise of Idrisid amirs (Muslim Crusaders) in Morocco; foundation of Fez; Christoforos, a Muslim who converted to Christianity, is executed.

800 Autonomous Aghlabid dynasty (Muslim Crusaders) in Tunisia

807 Caliph Harun al—Rashid orders the destruction of non—Muslim prayer houses and of the church of Mary Magdalene in Jerusalem

809 Aghlabids (Muslim Crusaders) conquer Sardinia, Italy

813 Christians in Palestine are attacked; many flee the country

831 Muslim Crusaders capture Palermo, Italy; raids in Southern Italy

850 Caliph al—Matawakkil orders the destruction of non—Muslim houses of prayer

855 Revolt of the Christians of Hims (Syria)

837—901 Aghlabids (Muslim Crusaders) conquer Sicily, raid Corsica, Italy, France

869—883 Revolt of black slaves in Iraq

909 Rise of the Fatimid Caliphate in Tunisia; these Muslim Crusaders occupy Sicily, Sardinia

928—969 Byzantine military revival, they retake old territories, such as Cyprus (964) and Tarsus (969)

937
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"And thereafter We [Allah] said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd'.".

- Qur'an 17:104 -

Any sincere muslim must recognize the Land they call "Palestine" as the Jewish Homeland, according to the book considered by muslims to be the most sacred word and Allah's ultimate revelation.

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4/13/2011 9:55:47 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/12/2011 5:49:00 PM, banker wrote:
i see you defend muhamuds right to kill kids and women with the self defance argument..! its more then bizare to me. how does one excuse a warior with self defance against kids..? wel.: however its logical to you i assume..!! i just wonder why if so the birds -you complain about used in bible for cleansing women- could not qualify for that argument? is the self defance axcuse only to kill kids not birds..?


The Qur'an:
Qur'an (4:34) - "Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great."

Qur'an (38:44) - "And take in your hand a green branch and beat her with it, and do not break your oath..." Allah telling Job to beat his wife.

From the Hadith:



Bukhari (72:715) - A woman came to Muhammad and begged her to stop her husband from beating her. Her skin was bruised so badly that she it is described as being "greener" than the green veil she was wearing. Muhammad did not admonish her husband, but instead ordered her to return to him and submit to his sexual desires.



Bukhari (72:715) - "Aisha said, 'I have not seen any woman suffering as much as the believing women'" This is Muhammad's own wife complaining of the abuse that the women of her religions suffer relative to other women.



Muslim (4:2127) - Muhammad struck his favorite wife, Aisha, in the chest one evening when she left the house without his permission. Aisha narrates, "He struck me on the chest which caused me pain."

4:34 of the qur'an and 38:44 proves nothing. For the prescribed punishment is to tap your wife, leaving no scars or causing any pain, nor is she to be struck in the face. Therefore, there is no injustice because no physical hurt or damage is done. This naturally reduces your argument to "it's still wrong because no one likes to be hit". To which such an argument only helps to prove my point. For it's a punishment. It's not suposed to be liked, thus further exposing your absurdity.

Bukhari 72:715 no where does the woman complain to be beaten, nor can you quote otherwise, thus your argument falls again. Despite her condition, the woman complains to Muhammad that her husband is impotent, not that she has been beaten.

4:2127 Once again proves nothing. For Aisha herself reports that Muhammad has never beat a woman and was the best of men. Thus the hadith in which you are quoting was not a hit to cause Aisha pain, but one of the miraculous healing factors in which Muhammad uses to remove doubt by pressing or pushig the chest of someone. The same is found in Bukhari Volume 4 Book 52 number 273. Thus Muhammad "lahaza" pushed or pressed his hands on Aisha's chest to heal her from her negative doubts, not as an act of punishment to use force or pain to discipline her. Once again, and as usual, your argument is debunked.

Yet when concrning your bible, we once again see you not let us down in your ridiculous rebuttals. After displaying the trifling things within your own bible, you still defend its disgraceful words. After showing that the bible itself says to clean a plague by sprinkling the house with the blood of dead birds in Leviticus 14: 49-53, you respond with a strawman talking about .....poor people. You're just too funny. And we still see that your bible says that women are duble polluted when giving birth to females, God having sex with a whore, and other disgusting things, to which you've failed to justify. Clearly, you're bible is a disgrace.

As for the Bukhri hadith, you only help to draw more attention to your absurdity. For you have quoted a hadith which relates to self-defense from the military expeditions of non-muslims who wanted to kill Muhammad. The hadith itself in which you quoted clearly shows this because the hadith in which you quoted is from the Bukhari collection under the subtite "military expedition" while the words "'Who is willing to kill Ka'b bin Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?" is mentioned in the hadith. Thus the hadith refers to killing the person who hurt the Prophrt Muhammad in a military expedition, thus self-defense. THerefore, you've proved nothing, for self-defense is not unjust. But killing a man just to marry his wife and then God kills the man's son( an innocent child) is clearly a disgusting crime, thus so is your bible, as we see such a story in 2 Samuels.
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4/13/2011 10:33:36 PM
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Lol how wonderful that miraculous touch is..! Wonder why allah did not give this touch for women too..?
Why did the all merciful muhammud kill women when he could have touched them miraculously.?

So despite his miraculous tuch you still use the self defance argument on women and kids.?

We had a back and forth discussion no need to circle on issues already clearified.!
Here is a story of muhammud having a women stabed to death while nursing her kid in her sleep..! Self defance.? Then (occurred) the sariyyah of `Umayr ibn `Adi Ibn Kharashah al-Khatmi against `Asma' Bint Marwan, of Banu Umayyah Ibn Zayd, when five nights had remained from the month of Ramadan, in the beginning of the nineteenth month from the hijrah of the apostle of Allah. `Asma' was the wife of Yazid Ibn Zayd Ibn Hisn al-Khatmi. She used to revile Islam, offend the prophet and instigate the (people) against him. She composed verses. Umayr Ibn Adi came to her in the night and entered her house. Her children were sleeping around her. There was one whom she was suckling. He searched her with his hand because he was blind, and separated the child from her. He thrust his sword in her chest till it pierced up to her back. Then he offered the morning prayers with the prophet at al-Medina. The apostle of Allah said to him: "Have you slain the daughter of Marwan?" He said: "Yes. Is there something more for me to do?" He [Muhammad] said: "No. Two goats will butt together about her. This was the word that was first heard from the apostle of Allah. The apostle of Allah called him `Umayr, "basir" (the seeing). [END OF IBN SA`D QUOTE] CORROBORATING WRITINGS In "23 Years; A Study of the Prophetic Career of Mohammad", by Ali Dashti, (Mazda Press, 1994), Dashti also references the murders of Abu `Afak and `Asma' b. Marwan. He wrote (page 100): Abu Afak, a man of great age (reputedly 120 years) was killed because he lampooned Mohammad. The deed was done by Salem b. 'Omayr at the behest of the Prophet, who had asked, "Who will deal with this rascal for me?" The killing of such an old man moved a poetess, Asma b. Marwan, to compose disrespectful verses about the Prophet, and she too was assassinated.: At 4/13/2011 9:55:47 AM, Fatihah wrote:
At 4/12/2011 5:49:00 PM, banker wrote:
i see you defend muhamuds right to kill kids and women with the self defance argument..! its more then bizare to me. how does one excuse a warior with self defance against kids..? wel.: however its logical to you i assume..!! i just wonder why if so the birds -you complain about used in bible for cleansing women- could not qualify for that argument? is the self defance axcuse only to kill kids not birds..?


The Qur'an:
Qur'an (4:34) - "Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great."

Qur'an (38:44) - "And take in your hand a green branch and beat her with it, and do not break your oath..." Allah telling Job to beat his wife.

From the Hadith:



Bukhari (72:715) - A woman came to Muhammad and begged her to stop her husband from beating her. Her skin was bruised so badly that she it is described as being "greener" than the green veil she was wearing. Muhammad did not admonish her husband, but instead ordered her to return to him and submit to his sexual desires.



Bukhari (72:715) - "Aisha said, 'I have not seen any woman suffering as much as the believing women'" This is Muhammad's own wife complaining of the abuse that the women of her religions suffer relative to other women.



Muslim (4:2127) - Muhammad struck his favorite wife, Aisha, in the chest one evening when she left the house without his permission. Aisha narrates, "He struck me on the chest which caused me pain."





4:34 of the qur'an and 38:44 proves nothing. For the prescribed punishment is to tap your wife, leaving no scars or causing any pain, nor is she to be struck in the face. Therefore, there is no injustice because no physical hurt or damage is done. This naturally reduces your argument to "it's still wrong because no one likes to be hit". To which such an argument only helps to prove my point. For it's a punishment. It's not suposed to be liked, thus further exposing your absurdity.

Bukhari 72:715 no where does the woman complain to be beaten, nor can you quote otherwise, thus your argument falls again. Despite her condition, the woman complains to Muhammad that her husband is impotent, not that she has been beaten.

4:2127 Once again proves nothing. For Aisha herself reports that Muhammad has never beat a woman and was the best of men. Thus the hadith in which you are quoting was not a hit to cause Aisha pain, but one of the miraculous healing factors in which Muhammad uses to remove doubt by pressing or pushig the chest of someone. The same is found in Bukhari Volume 4 Book 52 number 273. Thus Muhammad "lahaza" pushed or pressed his hands on Aisha's chest to heal her from her negative doubts, not as an act of punishment to use force or pain to discipline her. Once again, and as usual, your argument is debunked.

Yet when concrning your bible, we once again see you not let us down in your ridiculous rebuttals. After displaying the trifling things within your own bible, you still defend its disgraceful words. After showing that the bible itself says to clean a plague by sprinkling the house with the blood of dead birds in Leviticus 14: 49-53, you respond with a strawman talking about .....poor people. You're just too funny. And we still see that your bible says that women are duble polluted when giving birth to females, God having sex with a whore, and other disgusting things, to which you've failed to justify. Clearly, you're bible is a disgrace.

As for the Bukhri hadith, you only help to draw more attention to your absurdity. For you have quoted a hadith which relates to self-defense from the military expeditions of non-muslims who wanted to kill Muhammad. The hadith itself in which you quoted clearly shows this because the hadith in which you quoted is from the Bukhari collection under the subtite "military expedition" while the words "'Who is willing to kill Ka'b bin Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?" is mentioned in the hadith. Thus the hadith refers to killing the person who hurt the Prophrt Muhammad in a military expedition, thus self-defense. THerefore, you've proved nothing, for self-defense is not unjust. But killing a man just to marry his wife and then God kills the man's son( an innocent child) is clearly a disgusting crime, thus so is your bible, as we see such a story in 2 Samuels.
the most important source for muslim Arabs:

"And thereafter We [Allah] said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd'.".

- Qur'an 17:104 -

Any sincere muslim must recognize the Land they call "Palestine" as the Jewish Homeland, according to the book considered by muslims to be the most sacred word and Allah's ultimate revelation.

Ibn Khaldun, one of the most creditable
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4/14/2011 7:01:42 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
since anyone could just go back review my response to your bizare claims on king david no need to circle again to repeat it...!! so just moving along..!!

again i thank you for informing us that warrior muhammud was kiling the women and kids in self defance.
and his beating and instructions to beat women was due to his miraculous touch...!!

as a good muslim your following islamic hate cults idol and its orders to hate and lie
Qur'an (16:106) - Establishes that there are circumstances that can "compel" a Muslim to tell a lie.

Bukhari (84:64-65) - Speaking from a position of power at the time, Ali confirms that lying is permissible in order to deceive an "enemy."

#1 17,000 deadly terror attacks committed explicitly in the name of Islam in just the last ten years. (Other religions combined for perhaps a dozen or so).

#2 Muhammad, the prophet of Islam, had people killed for insulting him or for criticizing his religion. This included women. Muslims are told to emulate the example of Muhammad.

#3 Muhammad said in many places that he has been "ordered by Allah to fight men until they testify that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is his messenger." In the last nine years of his life, he ordered no less than 65 military campaigns to do exactly that.

Muhammad inspired his men to war with the basest of motives, using captured loot, sex and a gluttonous paradise as incentives. He beheaded captives, enslaved children and raped women captured in battle. Again, Muslims are told to emulate the example of Muhammad.

#4 After Muhammad died, the people who lived with him and knew his religion best immediately fell into war with each other.

Fatima, Muhammad's favorite daughter, survived the early years at Mecca safe and sound, yet died of stress from the persecution of fellow Muslims only six months after her father died.

Fatima's husband Ali, who was the second second convert to Islam and was raised like a son to Muhammad, fought a civil war against an army raised by Aisha, Muhammad's favorite wife - and one whom he had said was a "perfect woman." 10,000 Muslims were killed in a single battle, waged less than 25 years after Muhammad's death.

Three of the first four Muslim rulers (caliphs) were murdered. All of them were among Muhammad's closest companions. The third caliph was killed by allies of the son of the first (who was murdered by the fifth caliph a few years later, then wrapped in the skin of a dead donkey and burned). The fourth caliph (Ali) was stabbed to death after a bitter dispute with the fifth. The fifth caliph went on to poison one of Muhammad's two favorite grandsons. The other grandson was later beheaded by the sixth caliph.

The infighting and power struggles between Muhammad's family members, closest companions and their children only intensified with time. Within 50 short years of Muhammad's death, even the Kaaba, which had stood for centuries under pagan religion, lay in ruins from internal Muslim war...

And that's just the fate of those within the house of Islam!

#5 Muhammad directed Muslims to wage war on other religions and bring them under submission to Islam. Within the first few decades following his death, his Arabian companions invaded and conquered Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist and Zoroastrian lands.
A mere 25 years after Muhammad's death, Muslim armies had captured land and people within the borders of over 28 modern countries outside of Saudi Arabia.

#6 Muslims continued their Jihad against other religions for 1400 years, checked only by the ability of non-Muslims to defend themselves. To this day, not a week goes by that Islamic fundamentalists do not attempt to kill Christians, Jews, Hindus and Buddhists explicitly in the name of Allah.

None of these other religions are at war with each other.

#7 Islam is the only religion that has to retain its membership by threatening to kill anyone who leaves. This is according to the example set by Muhammad.

#8 Islam teaches that non-Muslims are less than fully human. Muhammad said that Muslims can be put to death for murder, but that a Muslim could never be put to death for killing a non-Muslim.

#9
The Qur'an never once speaks of Allah's love for non-Muslims, but it speaks of Allah's cruelty toward and hatred of non-Muslims more than 500 times.

#10

"Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar!"
(The last words from the cockpit of Flight 93
the most important source for muslim Arabs:

"And thereafter We [Allah] said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd'.".

- Qur'an 17:104 -

Any sincere muslim must recognize the Land they call "Palestine" as the Jewish Homeland, according to the book considered by muslims to be the most sacred word and Allah's ultimate revelation.

Ibn Khaldun, one of the most creditable
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4/14/2011 9:18:43 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/13/2011 10:33:36 PM, banker wrote:
Lol how wonderful that miraculous touch is..! Wonder why allah did not give this touch for women too..?
Why did the all merciful muhammud kill women when he could have touched them miraculously.?

So despite his miraculous tuch you still use the self defance argument on women and kids.?

We had a back and forth discussion no need to circle on issues already clearified.!
Here is a story of muhammud having a women stabed to death while nursing her kid in her sleep..! Self defance.? Then (occurred) the sariyyah of `Umayr ibn `Adi Ibn Kharashah al-Khatmi against `Asma' Bint Marwan, of Banu Umayyah Ibn Zayd, when five nights had remained from the month of Ramadan, in the beginning of the nineteenth month from the hijrah of the apostle of Allah. `Asma' was the wife of Yazid Ibn Zayd Ibn Hisn al-Khatmi. She used to revile Islam, offend the prophet and instigate the (people) against him. She composed verses. Umayr Ibn Adi came to her in the night and entered her house. Her children were sleeping around her. There was one whom she was suckling. He searched her with his hand because he was blind, and separated the child from her. He thrust his sword in her chest till it pierced up to her back. Then he offered the morning prayers with the prophet at al-Medina. The apostle of Allah said to him: "Have you slain the daughter of Marwan?" He said: "Yes. Is there something more for me to do?" He [Muhammad] said: "No. Two goats will butt together about her. This was the word that was first heard from the apostle of Allah. The apostle of Allah called him `Umayr, "basir" (the seeing). [END OF IBN SA`D QUOTE] CORROBORATING WRITINGS In "23 Years; A Study of the Prophetic Career of Mohammad", by Ali Dashti, (Mazda Press, 1994), Dashti also references the murders of Abu `Afak and `Asma' b. Marwan. He wrote (page 100): Abu Afak, a man of great age (reputedly 120 years) was killed because he lampooned Mohammad. The deed was done by Salem b. 'Omayr at the behest of the Prophet, who had asked, "Who will deal with this rascal for me?" The killing of such an old man moved a poetess, Asma b. Marwan, to compose disrespectful verses about the Prophet, and she too was assassinated.:

Response: Now we watch you reduce your argument to claims which have no truth, nor can you prove otherwise. You present a claim that Muhammad committed unjust murders, yet you've failed to provide any evidence that the claim is true. Thus all you have done is help to prove that you have no proof, thus once again proving nothing. Therefore, I repeat, 4:34 of the qur'an and 38:44 proves nothing. For the prescribed punishment is to tap your wife, leaving no scars or causing any pain, nor is she to be struck in the face. Therefore, there is no injustice because no physical hurt or damage is done. This naturally reduces your argument to "it's still wrong because no one likes to be hit". To which such an argument only helps to prove my point. For it's a punishment. It's not suposed to be liked, thus further exposing your absurdity.

Bukhari 72:715 no where does the woman complain to be beaten, nor can you quote otherwise, thus your argument falls again. Despite her condition, the woman complains to Muhammad that her husband is impotent, not that she has been beaten.

4:2127 Once again proves nothing. For Aisha herself reports that Muhammad has never beat a woman and was the best of men. Thus the hadith in which you are quoting was not a hit to cause Aisha pain, but one of the miraculous healing factors in which Muhammad uses to remove doubt by pressing or pushig the chest of someone. The same is found in Bukhari Volume 4 Book 52 number 273. Thus Muhammad "lahaza" pushed or pressed his hands on Aisha's chest to heal her from her negative doubts, not as an act of punishment to use force or pain to discipline her. Once again, and as usual, your argument is debunked.

As for the Bukhari hadith, you only help to draw more attention to your absurdity. For you have quoted a hadith which relates to self-defense from the military expeditions of non-muslims who wanted to kill Muhammad. The hadith itself in which you quoted clearly shows this because the hadith in which you quoted is from the Bukhari collection under the subtite "military expedition" while the words "'Who is willing to kill Ka'b bin Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?" is mentioned in the hadith. Thus the hadith refers to killing the person who hurt the Prophrt Muhammad in a military expedition, thus self-defense. THerefore, you've proved nothing, for self-defense is not unjust. But killing a man just to marry his wife and then God kills the man's son( an innocent child) is clearly a disgusting crime, thus so is your bible, as we see such a story in 2 Samuels

Yet when concerning your bible, we once again see you not let us down in your ridiculous rebuttals. After displaying the trifling things within your own bible, you still defend its disgraceful words. After showing that the bible itself says to clean a plague by sprinkling the house with the blood of dead birds in Leviticus 14: 49-53, you respond with a strawman talking about .....poor people. You're just too funny. And we still see that your bible says that women are duble polluted when giving birth to females, God having sex with a whore, and other disgusting things, to which you've failed to justify. Clearly, you're bible is a disgrace.
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4/14/2011 10:23:50 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/14/2011 7:01:42 AM, banker wrote:
since anyone could just go back review my response to your bizare claims on king david no need to circle again to repeat it...!! so just moving along..!!

again i thank you for informing us that warrior muhammud was kiling the women and kids in self defance.
and his beating and instructions to beat women was due to his miraculous touch...!!

as a good muslim your following islamic hate cults idol and its orders to hate and lie
Qur'an (16:106) - Establishes that there are circumstances that can "compel" a Muslim to tell a lie.

Bukhari (84:64-65) - Speaking from a position of power at the time, Ali confirms that lying is permissible in order to deceive an "enemy."


#1 17,000 deadly terror attacks committed explicitly in the name of Islam in just the last ten years. (Other religions combined for perhaps a dozen or so).


#2 Muhammad, the prophet of Islam, had people killed for insulting him or for criticizing his religion. This included women. Muslims are told to emulate the example of Muhammad.


#3 Muhammad said in many places that he has been "ordered by Allah to fight men until they testify that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is his messenger." In the last nine years of his life, he ordered no less than 65 military campaigns to do exactly that.

Muhammad inspired his men to war with the basest of motives, using captured loot, sex and a gluttonous paradise as incentives. He beheaded captives, enslaved children and raped women captured in battle. Again, Muslims are told to emulate the example of Muhammad.



#4 After Muhammad died, the people who lived with him and knew his religion best immediately fell into war with each other.

Fatima, Muhammad's favorite daughter, survived the early years at Mecca safe and sound, yet died of stress from the persecution of fellow Muslims only six months after her father died.

Fatima's husband Ali, who was the second second convert to Islam and was raised like a son to Muhammad, fought a civil war against an army raised by Aisha, Muhammad's favorite wife - and one whom he had said was a "perfect woman." 10,000 Muslims were killed in a single battle, waged less than 25 years after Muhammad's death.

Three of the first four Muslim rulers (caliphs) were murdered. All of them were among Muhammad's closest companions. The third caliph was killed by allies of the son of the first (who was murdered by the fifth caliph a few years later, then wrapped in the skin of a dead donkey and burned). The fourth caliph (Ali) was stabbed to death after a bitter dispute with the fifth. The fifth caliph went on to poison one of Muhammad's two favorite grandsons. The other grandson was later beheaded by the sixth caliph.

The infighting and power struggles between Muhammad's family members, closest companions and their children only intensified with time. Within 50 short years of Muhammad's death, even the Kaaba, which had stood for centuries under pagan religion, lay in ruins from internal Muslim war...

And that's just the fate of those within the house of Islam!



#5 Muhammad directed Muslims to wage war on other religions and bring them under submission to Islam. Within the first few decades following his death, his Arabian companions invaded and conquered Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist and Zoroastrian lands.
A mere 25 years after Muhammad's death, Muslim armies had captured land and people within the borders of over 28 modern countries outside of Saudi Arabia.



#6 Muslims continued their Jihad against other religions for 1400 years, checked only by the ability of non-Muslims to defend themselves. To this day, not a week goes by that Islamic fundamentalists do not attempt to kill Christians, Jews, Hindus and Buddhists explicitly in the name of Allah.

None of these other religions are at war with each other.



#7 Islam is the only religion that has to retain its membership by threatening to kill anyone who leaves. This is according to the example set by Muhammad.


#8 Islam teaches that non-Muslims are less than fully human. Muhammad said that Muslims can be put to death for murder, but that a Muslim could never be put to death for killing a non-Muslim.


#9
The Qur'an never once speaks of Allah's love for non-Muslims, but it speaks of Allah's cruelty toward and hatred of non-Muslims more than 500 times.


#10

"Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar!"
(The last words from the cockpit of Flight 93

Respose: Another desperate attempt.
16:106 mentions nothing about muslims can tell a lie but that believers will be disciplined if they utter disbelief. Debunked.

Bukhari 84: 64-65 mentions nothing about confirming that it's allowed to lie but that the end of times will have apostates who will eave islam to kill the muslims. Debunked.

As for the rest of your claims, we once again see that none of it is mentioned in the qur'an or sunnah, thus proving nothing. But now let's take a look at your bible:

Besides God having sex with a whore then getting jealos because the whore cheated on him Ezekiel 16: 1-8 and 38-42, we also see how the bible disgraces the beloved Prophet Moses. In numbers 31:17 and 18 Moses orders that young men and women be killed.......except the young women who are virgins. Instead, keep the virgins for yourself. Verses 35-40. How disgusting is that! he bigger question is how would he know if the woman is a virgin or not. There's only one way to find out! Rape! And you call this the inspired word of God? You see, you can't win. Your argument is based on claims which no muslim believes nor is it in the qur'an or sunnah. Meanwhile, what I have presented ......is actually in your book. And you believe that it is the inspired word of God. Thus it is your ideology which is clearly the disgrace, not mine or islam.