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How do Christians interpret these verses?

FREEDO
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4/15/2011 3:03:45 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
And when He(Jesus) had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, "Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained".

John 20: 22-23
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4/15/2011 3:06:38 AM
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It means that Pentecost is confusing.
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4/15/2011 3:09:03 AM
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Also, Jesus liked to get uncomfortably close to people when he talked.
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4/15/2011 3:10:23 AM
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At 4/15/2011 3:09:03 AM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
Also, Jesus liked to get uncomfortably close to people when he talked.

rofl
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4/15/2011 11:44:37 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/15/2011 3:03:45 AM, FREEDO wrote:
And when He(Jesus) had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, "Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained".

John 20: 22-23

Does it need to be interpreted? Looks pretty straight forward to me. Look at the verses in full context.

21 Again Jesus said, "Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you."

The Father sent Jesus, and now Jesus is sending them. Go back even further in verses 19 and twenty you will see it was with the disciples alone locked in a room.

22 And with that he breathed on them and said, "Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If you forgive anyone's sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven."

Breathing on someone in this fashion had long been recognized as passing the Holy Spirit to another person. Ever seen a Catholic Baptism? They have been continuing this Tradition for thousands of years.

Jesus gave the disciples His authority as the Father had given it to Him. It was big deal to understand that man had the authority to forgive sins. Almost as big as it is now.

If the disciples forgave a sin it would be forgiven. They were given the Authority to do so.

Clear as mud?
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4/15/2011 12:39:48 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/15/2011 3:03:45 AM, FREEDO wrote:
And when He(Jesus) had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, "Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained".

John 20: 22-23

The pharasee's would get onto jesus about 'who are you to forgive peoples sins!' claiming only God has that authority.

Cause jesus is God, he actually does have the athority to forgive sins for that reason.

Here in this passages he athorizes peter and the other disciples to forgive others sins on his behalf through the power of the holy spirit. Pretty awsome I know.
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4/15/2011 12:43:30 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/15/2011 12:39:48 PM, Marauder wrote:
At 4/15/2011 3:03:45 AM, FREEDO wrote:
And when He(Jesus) had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, "Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained".

John 20: 22-23

The pharasee's would get onto jesus about 'who are you to forgive peoples sins!' claiming only God has that authority.

Cause jesus is God, he actually does have the athority to forgive sins for that reason.

Here in this passages he athorizes peter and the other disciples to forgive others sins on his behalf through the power of the holy spirit. Pretty awsome I know.

are you afraid that if we christians do not forgive you of your sins they shall be 'retained' FREEDO? Fear not, on behalf of my people I say 'you are forgiven'. Rejoice and know that Christ died for you sins, by his blood you can be made white as snow.
One act of Rebellion created all the darkness and evil in the world; One life of Total Obedience created a path back to eternity and God.

A Scout is Obedient.
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4/15/2011 5:06:03 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/15/2011 11:44:37 AM, jharry wrote:
At 4/15/2011 3:03:45 AM, FREEDO wrote:
And when He(Jesus) had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, "Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained".

John 20: 22-23

Does it need to be interpreted? Looks pretty straight forward to me. Look at the verses in full context.

21 Again Jesus said, "Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you."

The Father sent Jesus, and now Jesus is sending them. Go back even further in verses 19 and twenty you will see it was with the disciples alone locked in a room.

22 And with that he breathed on them and said, "Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If you forgive anyone's sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven."

Breathing on someone in this fashion had long been recognized as passing the Holy Spirit to another person. Ever seen a Catholic Baptism? They have been continuing this Tradition for thousands of years.

Jesus gave the disciples His authority as the Father had given it to Him. It was big deal to understand that man had the authority to forgive sins. Almost as big as it is now.

If the disciples forgave a sin it would be forgiven. They were given the Authority to do so.

Clear as mud?

I would think so.

Most Christians have never heard the verse or been preached this doctrine.
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4/15/2011 5:06:55 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/15/2011 12:43:30 PM, Marauder wrote:
At 4/15/2011 12:39:48 PM, Marauder wrote:
At 4/15/2011 3:03:45 AM, FREEDO wrote:
And when He(Jesus) had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, "Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained".

John 20: 22-23

The pharasee's would get onto jesus about 'who are you to forgive peoples sins!' claiming only God has that authority.

Cause jesus is God, he actually does have the athority to forgive sins for that reason.

Here in this passages he athorizes peter and the other disciples to forgive others sins on his behalf through the power of the holy spirit. Pretty awsome I know.

are you afraid that if we christians do not forgive you of your sins they shall be 'retained' FREEDO? Fear not, on behalf of my people I say 'you are forgiven'. Rejoice and know that Christ died for you sins, by his blood you can be made white as snow.

Sweet.
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4/15/2011 7:35:53 PM
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At 4/15/2011 5:06:03 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 4/15/2011 11:44:37 AM, jharry wrote:
At 4/15/2011 3:03:45 AM, FREEDO wrote:
And when He(Jesus) had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, "Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained".

John 20: 22-23

Does it need to be interpreted? Looks pretty straight forward to me. Look at the verses in full context.

21 Again Jesus said, "Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you."

The Father sent Jesus, and now Jesus is sending them. Go back even further in verses 19 and twenty you will see it was with the disciples alone locked in a room.

22 And with that he breathed on them and said, "Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If you forgive anyone's sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven."

Breathing on someone in this fashion had long been recognized as passing the Holy Spirit to another person. Ever seen a Catholic Baptism? They have been continuing this Tradition for thousands of years.

Jesus gave the disciples His authority as the Father had given it to Him. It was big deal to understand that man had the authority to forgive sins. Almost as big as it is now.

If the disciples forgave a sin it would be forgiven. They were given the Authority to do so.

Clear as mud?

I would think so.

Most Christians have never heard the verse or been preached this doctrine.

It can be a difficult verse(s) for many denominations in Christanity. Growing up Lutheran I never heard this verse mentioned. I heard lots about St. Paul,Romans and Martin Luther but never this or many others. It wasn't until I began searching that I found these, they were a burden for a while. That's when I found the road to Rome. Free at last.
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4/15/2011 9:00:26 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/15/2011 5:07:24 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Question:

Does/can this imply Universalism?

no, it's on the athority of the disciples to declare forgiveness through the power of the spirit, not 'all people are enivetably going to saved.

not that I'm against a Univirsalist teaching on Hell totally, but I dont get that teaching out of this passage nor can I see how I could.
One act of Rebellion created all the darkness and evil in the world; One life of Total Obedience created a path back to eternity and God.

A Scout is Obedient.