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Illegalcombatant
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4/23/2011 7:50:00 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
One of the things that irks me is the typical christan question "Do you believe in Jesus" or the self proclamation of "I believe in Jesus"

Well which Jesus are we talking about here ?

Pro Slavery Jesus cause blacks were cursed as descendants of ham ?
Anti Slavery Jesus, cause you wouldn't want to be a slave yourself now would you ?
Burn the witches Jesus ? Gotta stop those agents of satan
Anti Burning the witches Jesus ? Cause Witches don't exist anyway
Communist Jesus, sell all you have to the poor ? cause after all material wealth won't last anyway ?
Capitalistic Jesus ? Acting in your self interest benefits you and everyone around you.
Dogma Jesus ? If you question dogma, your going to hell.
Free thinking Jesus ? Critical thinking and question any beliefs is a good thing

And my personal favorite......REPUBLICAN JESUS, republican Jesus can be describe as follows.........

Hates government spending.......except if its on the military.

Life is sacred, so sacred that a raped woman can't have an abortion and some one in alot of pain can't choose to die...........but not so sacred enough to support a welfare safety net, to support the woman with the raped child or the sick individual.

Republican Jesus regards any government spending that benefits the poor as evil socialism, republican Jesus doesn't seem to mind as much government spending that benefits the rich.

Republican Jesus doesn't mind government spending too maintain and increase state power/force eg, military, police, courts etc for the benefit of its citizens of course, but Republican Jesus really really doesn't like the idea of government spending for health care for the benefit of its citizens.

Republican Jesus says Science should not be based on the scientific method, but twisting facts to fit into a literal reading of genesis. And if those facts can't fit, well reject those facts, those so called facts are just facts according to evil unbelieving scientists who believe in the lie of science are pre suppose naturalism anyway.

Republican Jesus utterly rejects any absurd proposition say by a Scientology or New ager as absurd, but absurd claims in the bible are not absurd.......cause they are in the bible.

Any president who is a republican has being chosen by God, any president who is a democrat has been choosen by Satan.

Republican Jesus supports using the old testament to condemn gays, but doesn't support using the old testament to condemn working on the 7th day.

Republican Jesus says unless you believe in republican Jesus your going to hell.

Happy Easter heretics.
"Seems like another attempt to insert God into areas our knowledge has yet to penetrate. You figure God would be bigger than the gaps of our ignorance." Drafterman 19/5/12
Gileandos
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4/24/2011 9:10:20 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
LOL,
I will pipe in on the slavery point.

Jesus is pro slavery as described as a means for handling financial institutions within a National Framework. This is not slavery that was used by most all other peoples, including the American south in the Civil War.

The direct abduction and abuse is strictly forbidden as a means for "getting" slaves and "Treating" slaves.

Here is the treatment of slaves:
"When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished." (Exodus 21:20)

The Bible is clear that a slaves life is not owned by the Master, only their body.

Exodus 21:16
16And he that stealeth a man, and selleth him, or if he be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death.

There are guidlines for what to and not to do concerning slaves.

What most of the world does in handling slavery is very much against the Bible. The Hebrew's had a valid financial system that allowed for the extreme poor and enemies that are conquered.
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4/24/2011 1:09:12 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Well your vile hate on christianity is very nobal..!
Since its not hypocritical or bigoted.!

No one can acuse you on hypocriticly loving capitalists while hating communist.! You expressed equal hate for both.!!

What are you supporting.?

No one could have a clue its no where in your post about what you stand for aside from hate.!!

Great proof that haters are not builders..!

How could one be on all side of the spectrum with hate and still stand for something other then hate..?
At 4/23/2011 7:50:00 PM, Illegalcombatant wrote:
One of the things that irks me is the typical christan question "Do you believe in Jesus" or the self proclamation of "I believe in Jesus"

Well which Jesus are we talking about here ?

Pro Slavery Jesus cause blacks were cursed as descendants of ham ?
Anti Slavery Jesus, cause you wouldn't want to be a slave yourself now would you ?
Burn the witches Jesus ? Gotta stop those agents of satan
Anti Burning the witches Jesus ? Cause Witches don't exist anyway
Communist Jesus, sell all you have to the poor ? cause after all material wealth won't last anyway ?
Capitalistic Jesus ? Acting in your self interest benefits you and everyone around you.
Dogma Jesus ? If you question dogma, your going to hell.
Free thinking Jesus ? Critical thinking and question any beliefs is a good thing

And my personal favorite......REPUBLICAN JESUS, republican Jesus can be describe as follows.........

Hates government spending.......except if its on the military.

Life is sacred, so sacred that a raped woman can't have an abortion and some one in alot of pain can't choose to die...........but not so sacred enough to support a welfare safety net, to support the woman with the raped child or the sick individual.

Republican Jesus regards any government spending that benefits the poor as evil socialism, republican Jesus doesn't seem to mind as much government spending that benefits the rich.

Republican Jesus doesn't mind government spending too maintain and increase state power/force eg, military, police, courts etc for the benefit of its citizens of course, but Republican Jesus really really doesn't like the idea of government spending for health care for the benefit of its citizens.

Republican Jesus says Science should not be based on the scientific method, but twisting facts to fit into a literal reading of genesis. And if those facts can't fit, well reject those facts, those so called facts are just facts according to evil unbelieving scientists who believe in the lie of science are pre suppose naturalism anyway.

Republican Jesus utterly rejects any absurd proposition say by a Scientology or New ager as absurd, but absurd claims in the bible are not absurd.......cause they are in the bible.

Any president who is a republican has being chosen by God, any president who is a democrat has been choosen by Satan.

Republican Jesus supports using the old testament to condemn gays, but doesn't support using the old testament to condemn working on the 7th day.

Republican Jesus says unless you believe in republican Jesus your going to hell.

Happy Easter heretics.
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4/24/2011 11:09:28 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/24/2011 1:09:12 PM, banker wrote:
Well your vile hate on christianity is very nobal..!
Since its not hypocritical or bigoted.!

No one can acuse you on hypocriticly loving capitalists while hating communist.! You expressed equal hate for both.!!

What are you supporting.?

No one could have a clue its no where in your post about what you stand for aside from hate.!!


Whats the matter, don't like how I have pointed out Jesus is made into different images ?
'
How does attacking me change that hmmmmm ?

No one could have a clue its no where in your post about what you stand for aside from hate.!!

Is that all you got ? Attack me personally ? How very Christian of you, or should I say how very Republican Jesus of you. Republican Jesus approves of personal attacks to discredit an argument or point made by some one, thats going on the list :)

Well then allow me to make it clear to you what my view is, my view is that we should be VERY VERY suspicious of Republican Jesus and very very wary of advocates and followers of Republican Jesus.
"Seems like another attempt to insert God into areas our knowledge has yet to penetrate. You figure God would be bigger than the gaps of our ignorance." Drafterman 19/5/12
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4/24/2011 11:22:26 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/24/2011 9:10:20 AM, Gileandos wrote:
LOL,
I will pipe in on the slavery point.

Jesus is pro slavery as described as a means for handling financial institutions within a National Framework. This is not slavery that was used by most all other peoples, including the American south in the Civil War.

The direct abduction and abuse is strictly forbidden as a means for "getting" slaves and "Treating" slaves.

Here is the treatment of slaves:
"When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished." (Exodus 21:20)

The Bible is clear that a slaves life is not owned by the Master, only their body.

Exodus 21:16
16And he that stealeth a man, and selleth him, or if he be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death.

There are guidlines for what to and not to do concerning slaves.

What most of the world does in handling slavery is very much against the Bible. The Hebrew's had a valid financial system that allowed for the extreme poor and enemies that are conquered.

Congrats! You just justified slavery to defend your Christian beliefs!
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4/24/2011 11:28:54 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
I just thought of an interesting debate topic.

Would Jesus be a republican or a democrat if he came down to earth?
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4/24/2011 11:53:46 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/24/2011 11:28:54 PM, phantom wrote:
I just thought of an interesting debate topic.

Would Jesus be a republican or a democrat if he came down to earth?

False dilemma.

1) Republican
2) Democrat

But there is a third option.

3) Neither
"Seems like another attempt to insert God into areas our knowledge has yet to penetrate. You figure God would be bigger than the gaps of our ignorance." Drafterman 19/5/12
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4/24/2011 11:57:03 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/24/2011 9:10:20 AM, Gileandos wrote:
LOL,
I will pipe in on the slavery point.

Jesus is pro slavery as described as a means for handling financial institutions within a National Framework. This is not slavery that was used by most all other peoples, including the American south in the Civil War.



Republican Jesus fully supports the Slavery within a National Framework policy as explained by Gil.
"Seems like another attempt to insert God into areas our knowledge has yet to penetrate. You figure God would be bigger than the gaps of our ignorance." Drafterman 19/5/12
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4/24/2011 11:58:12 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/24/2011 11:53:46 PM, Illegalcombatant wrote:
At 4/24/2011 11:28:54 PM, phantom wrote:
I just thought of an interesting debate topic.

Would Jesus be a republican or a democrat if he came down to earth?

False dilemma.

1) Republican
2) Democrat

But there is a third option.

3) Neither

and more.

4) Green Party
5) Independent
6) etc.
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"The worst thing that can happen to a good cause is, not to be skillfully attacked, but to be ineptly defended."
-- Frederic Bastiat
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4/24/2011 11:58:13 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/24/2011 11:53:46 PM, Illegalcombatant wrote:
At 4/24/2011 11:28:54 PM, phantom wrote:
I just thought of an interesting debate topic.

Would Jesus be a republican or a democrat if he came down to earth?

False dilemma.

1) Republican
2) Democrat

But there is a third option.

3) Neither

But one opponent would be arguing 1) while the other 2). So for the debate there would be only two possibilities even though in reality there would be more.
"Music is a zen-like ecstatic state where you become the new man of the future, the Nietzschean merger of Apollo and Dionysus." Ray Manzarek (The Doors)
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4/25/2011 12:08:26 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
I think that having a debate topic/resolution that actually contains a logical fallacy within it is kinda looked down upon.
"Seems like another attempt to insert God into areas our knowledge has yet to penetrate. You figure God would be bigger than the gaps of our ignorance." Drafterman 19/5/12
Illegalcombatant
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4/25/2011 6:24:45 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
Your an idiot freedo, Jesus isn't mexican.

Haven't you see the pictures, he is white, very very white, light brown hair, blue eyes kinda looks like a model.

Now ask your self, does that sound like a mexican to you ?
"Seems like another attempt to insert God into areas our knowledge has yet to penetrate. You figure God would be bigger than the gaps of our ignorance." Drafterman 19/5/12
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4/25/2011 3:31:49 PM
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Interesting statement. Honestly I think you rashly misinterpret most of these Christians and their intentions.
Most Christians like myself are against abortion because they believe it to be murder. So murdering your baby because you were raped doesn't make sense.

I would think you would have a better view of the Republican philosophy. The opposition would raise taxes, have universal healthcare, increase spending, etc. at the expense of the economy just to be "fair." But legal plunder is not really fair at all. Then, I think you start to say nonsense like "Republican Jesus says Science should not be based on the scientific method" and "Any president who is a republican has being chosen by God, any president who is a democrat has been choosen by Satan."

On your last point, the Bible says homosexuality is wrong. The Bible says we should rest on the 7th day. But don't miss the point of the second statement. The point is, you should have a day of rest, typically Sunday for American Christians.

"Republican Jesus says unless you believe in republican Jesus your going to hell."
I don't know what to say about this except you must have some crazy Republican friends.

I have recently debated with my cousin whether Capitalism is christian or not. It is an interesting but very long topic.

Anyway, I don't know exactly what you believe, but I could likely fill out a similar post to the one you gave us.
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4/25/2011 3:51:28 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/25/2011 6:03:01 AM, FREEDO wrote:
I believe in Mexican gardener Jesus who died for my sins for less than minimum wage.

lol!

But Jesus is famous for:
"give to Caesar what is Caesar's, but your soul belongs to God."
or something like that.

I can't see any political party that would fit that.
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4/25/2011 7:42:52 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/25/2011 3:31:49 PM, MrCarrol wrote:
Interesting statement. Honestly I think you rashly misinterpret most of these Christians and their intentions.
Most Christians like myself are against abortion because they believe it to be murder. So murdering your baby because you were raped doesn't make sense.


Republican Jesus supports this view, just don't give those welfare queens welfare.

Then, I think you start to say nonsense like "Republican Jesus says Science should not be based on the scientific method" and "Any president who is a republican has being chosen by God, any president who is a democrat has been choosen by Satan."

Republican Jesus doesn't support this man made science doctrines.

On your last point, the Bible says homosexuality is wrong. The Bible says we should rest on the 7th day. But don't miss the point of the second statement. The point is, you should have a day of rest, typically Sunday for American Christians.

Republican Jesus fully supports having a more relaxed view on sabbath breaking, but does not give such laxity when it comes to homosexuals.

"Republican Jesus says unless you believe in republican Jesus your going to hell."
I don't know what to say about this except you must have some crazy Republican friends.

Republican Jesus died for your sins, if you don't accept this you are going to hell John 3:16


Anyway, I don't know exactly what you believe, but I could likely fill out a similar post to the one you gave us.

Probably
"Seems like another attempt to insert God into areas our knowledge has yet to penetrate. You figure God would be bigger than the gaps of our ignorance." Drafterman 19/5/12
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4/25/2011 9:09:04 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/25/2011 12:08:26 AM, Illegalcombatant wrote:
I think that having a debate topic/resolution that actually contains a logical fallacy within it is kinda looked down upon.

Well I haven't really thought much about it, but if I did I could probably set it up without that problem.
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4/25/2011 10:03:02 PM
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"Republican Jesus died for your sins, if you don't accept this you are going to hell John 3:16" < I think that's every Jesus, not just Rep. Jesus. If you reject heaven, well frankly you can't go there. As for the rest, I hope I'm not like that. Well, I'm not really a Republican anyway.
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4/26/2011 12:26:55 AM
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At 4/25/2011 3:31:49 PM, MrCarrol wrote:
On your last point, the Bible says homosexuality is wrong.

Wrong. The only direct reference to male on male sex is in the OT. It condemns male temple prostitution. This has no bearing on private same-sex sex. Interestingly enough, female temple prostitution isn't forbidden by the law code.

BTW, nowhere in the Bible is lesbian sex condemned. Maybe because God is a straight man and thinks it's hot?
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4/26/2011 12:45:53 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/25/2011 10:03:02 PM, MrCarrol wrote:
"Republican Jesus died for your sins, if you don't accept this you are going to hell John 3:16" < I think that's every Jesus, not just Rep. Jesus. If you reject heaven, well frankly you can't go there. As for the rest, I hope I'm not like that. Well, I'm not really a Republican anyway.

Republican Jesus says he is the Only real Jesus, and the rest are idols, thus if you don't believe in Republican Jesus you are going to hell.
"Seems like another attempt to insert God into areas our knowledge has yet to penetrate. You figure God would be bigger than the gaps of our ignorance." Drafterman 19/5/12
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4/26/2011 1:19:47 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/26/2011 12:26:55 AM, trkwpb wrote:
At 4/25/2011 3:31:49 PM, MrCarrol wrote:
On your last point, the Bible says homosexuality is wrong.

Wrong. The only direct reference to male on male sex is in the OT. It condemns male temple prostitution. This has no bearing on private same-sex sex. Interestingly enough, female temple prostitution isn't forbidden by the law code.
Wrong. Try reading the bible.
Genesis 2:24, http://www.biblegateway.com...
Leviticus 18:22 http://www.biblegateway.com...
Leviticus 20:13 http://www.biblegateway.com...
Romans 1:25-128 http://www.biblegateway.com...
1 Kings 14:24 http://www.biblegateway.com...
Genesis 13:11-15 http://www.biblegateway.com...
Genesis 19:1-10http://www.biblegateway.com...
Genesis 18:23-50 http://www.biblegateway.com...
Deut. 23: 17 http://www.biblegateway.com...

Do you still hold that view? If not I can post more.
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5/3/2011 6:03:55 AM
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At 4/23/2011 7:50:00 PM, Illegalcombatant wrote:
One of the things that irks me is the typical christan question "Do you believe in Jesus" or the self proclamation of "I believe in Jesus"

Well which Jesus are we talking about here ?

Pro Slavery Jesus cause blacks were cursed as descendants of ham ?
Anti Slavery Jesus, cause you wouldn't want to be a slave yourself now would you ?
Burn the witches Jesus ? Gotta stop those agents of satan
Anti Burning the witches Jesus ? Cause Witches don't exist anyway
Communist Jesus, sell all you have to the poor ? cause after all material wealth won't last anyway ?
Capitalistic Jesus ? Acting in your self interest benefits you and everyone around you.
Dogma Jesus ? If you question dogma, your going to hell.
Free thinking Jesus ? Critical thinking and question any beliefs is a good thing

And my personal favorite......REPUBLICAN JESUS, republican Jesus can be describe as follows.........

Hates government spending.......except if its on the military.

Life is sacred, so sacred that a raped woman can't have an abortion and some one in alot of pain can't choose to die...........but not so sacred enough to support a welfare safety net, to support the woman with the raped child or the sick individual.

Republican Jesus regards any government spending that benefits the poor as evil socialism, republican Jesus doesn't seem to mind as much government spending that benefits the rich.

Republican Jesus doesn't mind government spending too maintain and increase state power/force eg, military, police, courts etc for the benefit of its citizens of course, but Republican Jesus really really doesn't like the idea of government spending for health care for the benefit of its citizens.

Republican Jesus says Science should not be based on the scientific method, but twisting facts to fit into a literal reading of genesis. And if those facts can't fit, well reject those facts, those so called facts are just facts according to evil unbelieving scientists who believe in the lie of science are pre suppose naturalism anyway.

Republican Jesus utterly rejects any absurd proposition say by a Scientology or New ager as absurd, but absurd claims in the bible are not absurd.......cause they are in the bible.

Any president who is a republican has being chosen by God, any president who is a democrat has been choosen by Satan.

Republican Jesus supports using the old testament to condemn gays, but doesn't support using the old testament to condemn working on the 7th day.

Republican Jesus says unless you believe in republican Jesus your going to hell.

Happy Easter heretics.

JESUS Jesus..
The Cross.. the Cross.