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Ragnar_Rahl
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4/24/2011 10:43:13 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
What are your thoughts on Isiah 43:10 "Before me no god was formed nor shall there be any after me"?
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phantom
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4/24/2011 11:43:22 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
You could list a whole range of things where the book of Mormon contradicts the Bible.

I just did a debate on Mormonism recently. http://www.debate.org...

The bible also says there will be no more prophets except for false prophets.
My opponent claimed that the you would have to prove the Bible was more correct than the book of Mormon in order to make those claims. But why would God inspire a book to be written that conflicts very much with the Bible.

It also says Jesus was a polygamist. God had sex with Mary. Getting baptized makes you a Christian and you get saved by works.
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4/25/2011 12:09:08 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
Joseph Smith also made all these false prophecies.

Lol for example he said there were men who lived on the moon who dressed as Quakers and lived to be one thousand years old.
He also prophesied the American civil war would spread to all nations.

Joseph Smith himself was an immoral man. He had 33 wives, I think it was during his life time. Brigham Young also had numerous wives.

There is also flaws in the book of Mormon such as:

The Mormons believe that the American Indians were decedents of the Israelites.

But if they were Israelites why is their so much diversity in their languages and why were there no vestiges of Hebrew in any of their languages?

http://www.contenderministries.org......

The Book of Mormon also mention silk, but silk did not exist in the Americas at that time.

It also states that Nephi had a bow of steel. But Jews did no have steel at that time
No iron was smelted in the Americas until the Spanish colonization.

The book of Mormons says that Lehi found horses when he arrived in America. This is a lie as their were no horses in America until the sixteenth century when they were brought over from Spain.

But read my debate if you want to hear more.
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4/25/2011 1:03:08 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/25/2011 12:09:08 AM, phantom wrote:
This is a lie as their were no horses in America until the sixteenth century when they were brought over from Spain.

No there were, they had become extinct though.
J.Kenyon
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4/25/2011 1:13:58 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/25/2011 1:03:08 AM, Puck wrote:
At 4/25/2011 12:09:08 AM, phantom wrote:
This is a lie as their were no horses in America until the sixteenth century when they were brought over from Spain.

No there were, they had become extinct though.

There were lions, too, I believe. Huge ones.
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4/25/2011 11:40:12 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
For us Mormons, I'm pretty sure we believe that Isaiah 43 is talking about Christ, and that there will be no one else who will have the duties of Christ no matter what. Thats what I think anyway. Hope this helps.
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4/25/2011 12:29:04 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/24/2011 11:43:22 PM, phantom wrote:
You could list a whole range of things where the book of Mormon contradicts the Bible.

I just did a debate on Mormonism recently. http://www.debate.org...

The bible also says there will be no more prophets except for false prophets.
My opponent claimed that the you would have to prove the Bible was more correct than the book of Mormon in order to make those claims. But why would God inspire a book to be written that conflicts very much with the Bible.

It also says Jesus was a polygamist. God had sex with Mary. Getting baptized makes you a Christian and you get saved by works.

All Christians believe that. God the Father impregnated mother Mary and gave birth to their son Jesus. Who do you think is the Father? Joseph?
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Kinesis
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4/25/2011 12:38:15 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/25/2011 12:29:04 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
All Christians believe that. God the Father impregnated mother Mary and gave birth to their son Jesus. Who do you think is the Father? Joseph?

Yeah, but God didn't actually have sex with Mary. He just magicked the sperm in or something.
GeoLaureate8
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4/25/2011 12:44:59 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/25/2011 12:38:15 PM, Kinesis wrote:
At 4/25/2011 12:29:04 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
All Christians believe that. God the Father impregnated mother Mary and gave birth to their son Jesus. Who do you think is the Father? Joseph?

Yeah, but God didn't actually have sex with Mary. He just magicked the sperm in or something.

About as magic as 50 Cents magic stick. We all like to give it cool names, apparently God does too and he calls it "the Holy Spirit."

However, if God perfered to impregnate Mary without having sex with her, doesn't that make him gay?
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4/25/2011 2:12:32 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/25/2011 12:44:59 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 4/25/2011 12:38:15 PM, Kinesis wrote:
At 4/25/2011 12:29:04 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
All Christians believe that. God the Father impregnated mother Mary and gave birth to their son Jesus. Who do you think is the Father? Joseph?

Yeah, but God didn't actually have sex with Mary. He just magicked the sperm in or something.

About as magic as 50 Cents magic stick. We all like to give it cool names, apparently God does too and he calls it "the Holy Spirit."

However, if God perfered to impregnate Mary without having sex with her, doesn't that make him gay?

Why, because he's passing up a perfectly good piece of as5? Not technically, but it does in a practical sense.
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4/25/2011 7:54:06 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/25/2011 12:38:15 PM, Kinesis wrote:

Yeah, but God didn't actually have sex with Mary. He just magicked the sperm in or something.

That line never works when I try it.
phantom
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4/25/2011 9:16:47 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/25/2011 12:29:04 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 4/24/2011 11:43:22 PM, phantom wrote:
You could list a whole range of things where the book of Mormon contradicts the Bible.

I just did a debate on Mormonism recently. http://www.debate.org...

The bible also says there will be no more prophets except for false prophets.
My opponent claimed that the you would have to prove the Bible was more correct than the book of Mormon in order to make those claims. But why would God inspire a book to be written that conflicts very much with the Bible.

It also says Jesus was a polygamist. God had sex with Mary. Getting baptized makes you a Christian and you get saved by works.

All Christians believe that. God the Father impregnated mother Mary and gave birth to their son Jesus. Who do you think is the Father? Joseph?

The Mormons believe if, I am correct that God the Father came down in human form and had sexual intercourse with Marry.
Kind of reminds me of Zeus from "Clash of the Titans"
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4/25/2011 9:19:43 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/25/2011 11:40:12 AM, xxeightydxx wrote:
For us Mormons, I'm pretty sure we believe that Isaiah 43 is talking about Christ, and that there will be no one else who will have the duties of Christ no matter what. Thats what I think anyway. Hope this helps.

Hey xxeightydxx nice to see you on the forums :)
Could you expound on that? Why do you believe it's talking about Christ when it says gods?
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4/25/2011 9:26:37 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/25/2011 9:22:44 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
How can you have sex with magic underwear?

I don't know the answer to that one; but isn't that kind of like, random?
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Ragnar_Rahl
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4/26/2011 2:27:19 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/25/2011 11:40:12 AM, xxeightydxx wrote:
For us Mormons, I'm pretty sure we believe that Isaiah 43 is talking about Christ, and that there will be no one else who will have the duties of Christ no matter what. Thats what I think anyway. Hope this helps.

Much ty.
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Ragnar_Rahl
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4/26/2011 2:27:49 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
and I conclude the thread with this, unless more mormons (or Moremons :P) have input
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4/26/2011 2:28:20 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/25/2011 9:22:44 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
How can you have sex with magic underwear?

I'm pretty sure they remove them for sex and bathing, lmao.
Ragnar_Rahl
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4/26/2011 2:53:56 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/26/2011 2:28:20 AM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 4/25/2011 9:22:44 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
How can you have sex with magic underwear?

I'm pretty sure they remove them for sex and bathing, lmao.

Some do, some don't, as far as I know. The present design seems to have a genital flap.
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Greyparrot
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4/26/2011 2:57:31 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/26/2011 2:53:56 AM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 4/26/2011 2:28:20 AM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 4/25/2011 9:22:44 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
How can you have sex with magic underwear?

I'm pretty sure they remove them for sex and bathing, lmao.

Some do, some don't, as far as I know. The present design seems to have a genital flap.
Thanks sir.