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5/18/2011 7:47:32 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
An excellent quote pooka posted in another thread (adam and dinosaurs or something) got me thinking...

To the rational Christians:

If so much is metaphor, can see you God and the underlying force which created existence being the same thing?

Can you see all the tales as simply being someone's interpretation of morality in story form?

The Bible is like an ancient forum thread and life is like the internet; Moses posted the topic and some people added more stuff, agreeing with him, and they built a system of social law based on fantastic stories to demonstrate the kind of moral issues they wanted to deal with. Another metaphor would be Moses is like Marx and Christianity is like Socialism.

The aspect of God can be explained as a safeguard sort of 'sky daddy' who knows if you break the rules, even when no one is looking. Socially-primitive people had the same imagination as we do now, yet they hadn't yet discovered the means to begin explaining how things actually happened, so they just made stuff up. Nor had they any way of keeping track of things.

A particularly tenacious and clever man could convince an ancient people that he had spoken to 'God', could he not? I tried saying "Do this because I said so" but it didn't work... Maybe if I say "Do this because God said so" I'll be more successful.

Is it possible the Bible is simply a group of stories based perhaps on extraordinary (but scientifically explainable) events? (Much like we have highly fantastic movies and books now, some based on 'True Events'.)
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5/18/2011 8:03:50 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 5/18/2011 7:47:32 AM, tvellalott wrote:
An excellent quote pooka posted in another thread (adam and dinosaurs or something) got me thinking...

To the rational Christians:

If so much is metaphor, can see you God and the underlying force which created existence being the same thing?

Can you see all the tales as simply being someone's interpretation of morality in story form?

The Bible is like an ancient forum thread and life is like the internet; Moses posted the topic and some people added more stuff, agreeing with him, and they built a system of social law based on fantastic stories to demonstrate the kind of moral issues they wanted to deal with. Another metaphor would be Moses is like Marx and Christianity is like Socialism.

The aspect of God can be explained as a safeguard sort of 'sky daddy' who knows if you break the rules, even when no one is looking. Socially-primitive people had the same imagination as we do now, yet they hadn't yet discovered the means to begin explaining how things actually happened, so they just made stuff up. Nor had they any way of keeping track of things.

A particularly tenacious and clever man could convince an ancient people that he had spoken to 'God', could he not? I tried saying "Do this because I said so" but it didn't work... Maybe if I say "Do this because God said so" I'll be more successful.

Is it possible the Bible is simply a group of stories based perhaps on extraordinary (but scientifically explainable) events? (Much like we have highly fantastic movies and books now, some based on 'True Events'.)

That pretty much mirrors my analysis of the Abrahamic religions, Christianity being one of them. Indeed, this theory could be extended to many other religions.

Not sure about the parallel with socialism though, the Christian god is pretty right-wing in many respects (in so much as he exists in Christians' minds).
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5/18/2011 8:08:19 AM
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At 5/18/2011 8:03:50 AM, brian_eggleston wrote:
That pretty much mirrors my analysis of the Abrahamic religions, Christianity being one of them. Indeed, this theory could be extended to many other religions.

^_^

Not sure about the parallel with socialism though, the Christian god is pretty right-wing in many respects (in so much as he exists in Christians' minds).

Haha, I mean in terms of it being a system and certain people being particularly influential in it's development. I suppose you could use Plato and Democracy.
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5/18/2011 8:28:37 AM
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At 5/18/2011 7:47:32 AM, tvellalott wrote:

To the rational Christians:

Heh, I chuckled.


The Bible is like an ancient forum thread and life is like the internet; Moses posted the topic and some people added more stuff, agreeing with him, and they built a system of social law based on fantastic stories to demonstrate the kind of moral issues they wanted to deal with. Another metaphor would be Moses is like Marx and Christianity is like Socialism.


Interesting - so the books that were excluded from the bible (both old and new testament) would be like the banned users or topics that were deleted?
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5/18/2011 8:29:34 AM
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At 5/18/2011 8:28:37 AM, Meatros wrote:
At 5/18/2011 7:47:32 AM, tvellalott wrote:

To the rational Christians:

Heh, I chuckled.


Hm...That sounds kind of d!ckish. I'm not implying that Christians cannot be rational, I think they can be. I chuckled because of the thread in question.
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5/18/2011 9:04:21 AM
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At 5/18/2011 7:47:32 AM, tvellalott wrote:
An excellent quote pooka posted in another thread (adam and dinosaurs or something) got me thinking...

To the rational Christians:

If so much is metaphor, can see you God and the underlying force which created existence being the same thing?

Can you see all the tales as simply being someone's interpretation of morality in story form?

The Bible is like an ancient forum thread and life is like the internet; Moses posted the topic and some people added more stuff, agreeing with him, and they built a system of social law based on fantastic stories to demonstrate the kind of moral issues they wanted to deal with. Another metaphor would be Moses is like Marx and Christianity is like Socialism.

The aspect of God can be explained as a safeguard sort of 'sky daddy' who knows if you break the rules, even when no one is looking. Socially-primitive people had the same imagination as we do now, yet they hadn't yet discovered the means to begin explaining how things actually happened, so they just made stuff up. Nor had they any way of keeping track of things.

A particularly tenacious and clever man could convince an ancient people that he had spoken to 'God', could he not? I tried saying "Do this because I said so" but it didn't work... Maybe if I say "Do this because God said so" I'll be more successful.

Is it possible the Bible is simply a group of stories based perhaps on extraordinary (but scientifically explainable) events? (Much like we have highly fantastic movies and books now, some based on 'True Events'.)

Are you serious?
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5/18/2011 9:24:30 AM
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At 5/18/2011 9:04:21 AM, vardas0antras wrote:
Are you serious?

What a worthless post. What parts of the Old Testament AREN'T metaphor?
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5/18/2011 9:44:49 AM
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At 5/18/2011 9:28:09 AM, Thaddeus wrote:
To my knowledge, the parts which aren't in verse, but rather prose, which is most of it.

I don't understand what you're saying; do you believe Moses came down from the mountain with a stone tablet?
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5/18/2011 12:25:43 PM
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At 5/18/2011 9:44:49 AM, tvellalott wrote:
At 5/18/2011 9:28:09 AM, Thaddeus wrote:
To my knowledge, the parts which aren't in verse, but rather prose, which is most of it.

I don't understand what you're saying; do you believe Moses came down from the mountain with a stone tablet?

It wouldn't make a massive difference to my faith either way, but I've never been given any reason not to believe it (that is; I've never heard it contended from a historical point of view and would be willing to accept credible evidence that shows it to be unlikely)
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5/18/2011 12:34:07 PM
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TV, I do believe you are correct. I think I had a similar theory a while back, but I'm unsure.
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5/18/2011 12:39:08 PM
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At 5/18/2011 8:08:19 AM, tvellalott wrote:
At 5/18/2011 8:03:50 AM, brian_eggleston wrote:
That pretty much mirrors my analysis of the Abrahamic religions, Christianity being one of them. Indeed, this theory could be extended to many other religions.

^_^

Not sure about the parallel with socialism though, the Christian god is pretty right-wing in many respects (in so much as he exists in Christians' minds).

Haha, I mean in terms of it being a system and certain people being particularly influential in it's development. I suppose you could use Plato and Democracy.

Plato wasn't a big fan of democracy (actually greatly opposed to democracy).

Anyway, the point is understandible. But many Christians understand this possibility, but merely pointing out a possibility doesn't really make any kind of argument. Such a possibility could be pointed out towards atheists that enjoying only debating about the God of the bible, rather than a generic God, not linked to a particular text.

Other words, all this does is point out the false dichotomy of Christian vs Anarchy.
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5/18/2011 6:42:22 PM
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At 5/18/2011 12:39:08 PM, OreEle wrote:
At 5/18/2011 8:08:19 AM, tvellalott wrote:
At 5/18/2011 8:03:50 AM, brian_eggleston wrote:
That pretty much mirrors my analysis of the Abrahamic religions, Christianity being one of them. Indeed, this theory could be extended to many other religions.

^_^

Not sure about the parallel with socialism though, the Christian god is pretty right-wing in many respects (in so much as he exists in Christians' minds).

Haha, I mean in terms of it being a system and certain people being particularly influential in it's development. I suppose you could use Plato and Democracy.

Plato wasn't a big fan of democracy (actually greatly opposed to democracy).

Gah, I just can't get the analogy right...

Anyway, the point is understandible. But many Christians understand this possibility, but merely pointing out a possibility doesn't really make any kind of argument.

I know that. o.O; I'm jus' sayin', y'know? Who makes arguments around here anyway; bold, unfounded assertions are much more fun.

Such a possibility could be pointed out towards atheists that enjoying only debating about the God of the bible, rather than a generic God, not linked to a particular text.

I don't understand this sentence.

Other words, all this does is point out the false dichotomy of Christian vs Anarchy.

Not at all. I'm sure you can have Christo-Anarchism or a Secular Dictatorship; I'm not saying they're the only choices...
I merely making comparison between modern ideologies and ancient ones, suggesting that our scientifically-retarded ancestors might have created God specifically to be a 'God of the Gaps.'
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5/19/2011 10:40:49 AM
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At 5/18/2011 7:47:32 AM, tvellalott wrote:

If so much is metaphor, can see you God and the underlying force which created existence being the same thing?

They would necessarily be the same thing. If God exists than She IS the force that created the universe - irrespective of the Bible being being metaphor or not. It is just a distinction without a difference that stems from a premise with no relation to its supposed conclusions.

Can you see all the tales as simply being someone's interpretation of morality in story form?

No. Many tales have nothing whatever to do with morality or any specific moral value or duty.

The Bible is like an ancient forum thread and life is like the internet; Moses posted the topic and some people added more stuff, agreeing with him, and they built a system of social law based on fantastic stories to demonstrate the kind of moral issues they wanted to deal with. Another metaphor would be Moses is like Marx and Christianity is like Socialism.

The aspect of God can be explained as a safeguard sort of 'sky daddy' who knows if you break the rules, even when no one is looking. Socially-primitive people had the same imagination as we do now, yet they hadn't yet discovered the means to begin explaining how things actually happened, so they just made stuff up. Nor had they any way of keeping track of things.

A particularly tenacious and clever man could convince an ancient people that he had spoken to 'God', could he not? I tried saying "Do this because I said so" but it didn't work... Maybe if I say "Do this because God said so" I'll be more successful.

Is it possible the Bible is simply a group of stories based perhaps on extraordinary (but scientifically explainable) events? (Much like we have highly fantastic movies and books now, some based on 'True Events'.)

The Bible making use of a wide arsenal of varied and various literary tools in no way allows for said interpretation -- one of the least permitting would be the metaphor to which your post appeals. Metaphors have discernible meaning that is often times clearer than literal renderings. The conclusion of your post requires that Biblical metaphor have no immediate, discernible meaning so as to permit even the most outlandish of theories.

You may certainly infer your hypothesis based on other analyses, but the Bible and its respective metaphor is certainly not a confirmation of said inference.
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5/20/2011 5:26:19 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 5/18/2011 7:47:32 AM, tvellalott wrote:
An excellent quote pooka posted in another thread (adam and dinosaurs or something) got me thinking...

To the rational Christians:

If so much is metaphor, can see you God and the underlying force which created existence being the same thing?

Can you see all the tales as simply being someone's interpretation of morality in story form?

The Bible is like an ancient forum thread and life is like the internet; Moses posted the topic and some people added more stuff, agreeing with him, and they built a system of social law based on fantastic stories to demonstrate the kind of moral issues they wanted to deal with. Another metaphor would be Moses is like Marx and Christianity is like Socialism.

The aspect of God can be explained as a safeguard sort of 'sky daddy' who knows if you break the rules, even when no one is looking. Socially-primitive people had the same imagination as we do now, yet they hadn't yet discovered the means to begin explaining how things actually happened, so they just made stuff up. Nor had they any way of keeping track of things.

A particularly tenacious and clever man could convince an ancient people that he had spoken to 'God', could he not? I tried saying "Do this because I said so" but it didn't work... Maybe if I say "Do this because God said so" I'll be more successful.

Is it possible the Bible is simply a group of stories based perhaps on extraordinary (but scientifically explainable) events? (Much like we have highly fantastic movies and books now, some based on 'True Events'.)

No, only through revelation (God letting you know) can you know that the Bible IS the Inspired, Inerrant Word of the living God.

Not only did He inspire it He also watched over it's collection and the editing process.. Even the few parts that contradict one another are there for a VERY good reason.
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5/20/2011 6:34:09 AM
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DATCMOTO wrote: "No, only through revelation (God letting you know) can you know that the Bible IS the Inspired, Inerrant Word of the living God."

You are saying that you can only know the truth of the bible IF God reveals it to you, by, I'm assuming, some sort of inner revelation. Is that correct? Basically you can't get 'there' by reason (there being the truth of the bible).

DATCMOTO wrote: "Not only did He inspire it He also watched over it's collection and the editing process.. Even the few parts that contradict one another are there for a VERY good reason."

If this is true, then why are there different versions of the bible?
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5/20/2011 6:43:36 AM
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At 5/19/2011 10:40:49 AM, InquireTruth wrote:
If God exists than She IS the force that created the universe

Eh? Have you converted to some kind of feminist denomination Inquire?
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5/20/2011 8:06:40 AM
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At 5/18/2011 9:24:30 AM, tvellalott wrote:
At 5/18/2011 9:04:21 AM, vardas0antras wrote:
Are you serious?

What a worthless post. What parts of the Old Testament AREN'T metaphor?

Most of it even if you take a quite extreme view whereby anything that (reasonably) can be a metaphor is.
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5/20/2011 12:16:03 PM
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At 5/20/2011 6:43:36 AM, feverish wrote:
At 5/19/2011 10:40:49 AM, InquireTruth wrote:
If God exists than She IS the force that created the universe

Eh? Have you converted to some kind of feminist denomination Inquire?

No. I just try to switch up my pronouns when referring to a person without sex.
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5/20/2011 12:54:20 PM
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At 5/18/2011 6:42:22 PM, tvellalott wrote:
At 5/18/2011 12:39:08 PM, OreEle wrote:
At 5/18/2011 8:08:19 AM, tvellalott wrote:
At 5/18/2011 8:03:50 AM, brian_eggleston wrote:
That pretty much mirrors my analysis of the Abrahamic religions, Christianity being one of them. Indeed, this theory could be extended to many other religions.

^_^

Not sure about the parallel with socialism though, the Christian god is pretty right-wing in many respects (in so much as he exists in Christians' minds).

Haha, I mean in terms of it being a system and certain people being particularly influential in it's development. I suppose you could use Plato and Democracy.

Plato wasn't a big fan of democracy (actually greatly opposed to democracy).

Gah, I just can't get the analogy right...

Anyway, the point is understandible. But many Christians understand this possibility, but merely pointing out a possibility doesn't really make any kind of argument.

I know that. o.O; I'm jus' sayin', y'know? Who makes arguments around here anyway; bold, unfounded assertions are much more fun.

Such a possibility could be pointed out towards atheists that enjoying only debating about the God of the bible, rather than a generic God, not linked to a particular text.

I don't understand this sentence.

There are alot of Atheists which are not nessicarily "anti-god" but "anti-christian God"


Other words, all this does is point out the false dichotomy of Christian vs Anarchy.

Not at all. I'm sure you can have Christo-Anarchism or a Secular Dictatorship; I'm not saying they're the only choices...

But if we're arguing between the two, pointing out how some middle ground is more plasible than Christo-Anarchism is not an argument for Secular Dictatorship.

I merely making comparison between modern ideologies and ancient ones, suggesting that our scientifically-retarded ancestors might have created God specifically to be a 'God of the Gaps.'

They might have, or another possiblity, was that God is real, and somethings have been mis-attributed to him, in order to fill in the Gaps.

There is also the possibility that, when God spoke to individuals, he used language that they would understand.

Looking back at the Genesis, it is written down because God told Moses about it (according to the bible). Let's put you in God's shoes. If you were talking to someone from thousands of years ago and were asked "how did you create the Earth?" would you give a full scientific answer detailing the big bang, general relativity and partical astrophysics? Not if you expect him to understand any of it. No, you make up some simple answer that is "good enough," like when a 4 year old asks how babies are made.
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5/24/2011 5:08:46 AM
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At 5/20/2011 6:34:09 AM, Meatros wrote:
DATCMOTO wrote: "No, only through revelation (God letting you know) can you know that the Bible IS the Inspired, Inerrant Word of the living God."

You are saying that you can only know the truth of the bible IF God reveals it to you, by, I'm assuming, some sort of inner revelation. Is that correct? Basically you can't get 'there' by reason (there being the truth of the bible).

DATCMOTO wrote: "Not only did He inspire it He also watched over it's collection and the editing process.. Even the few parts that contradict one another are there for a VERY good reason."

If this is true, then why are there different versions of the bible?

They do not differ very much; I'm an NIV man myself..
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5/24/2011 6:47:02 AM
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At 5/24/2011 5:08:46 AM, DATCMOTO wrote:
At 5/20/2011 6:34:09 AM, Meatros wrote:
DATCMOTO wrote: "No, only through revelation (God letting you know) can you know that the Bible IS the Inspired, Inerrant Word of the living God."

You are saying that you can only know the truth of the bible IF God reveals it to you, by, I'm assuming, some sort of inner revelation. Is that correct? Basically you can't get 'there' by reason (there being the truth of the bible).

DATCMOTO wrote: "Not only did He inspire it He also watched over it's collection and the editing process.. Even the few parts that contradict one another are there for a VERY good reason."

If this is true, then why are there different versions of the bible?

They do not differ very much; I'm an NIV man myself..

So why do they differ at all?
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5/24/2011 8:21:36 AM
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At 5/20/2011 12:16:03 PM, InquireTruth wrote:
At 5/20/2011 6:43:36 AM, feverish wrote:
At 5/19/2011 10:40:49 AM, InquireTruth wrote:
If God exists than She IS the force that created the universe

Eh? Have you converted to some kind of feminist denomination Inquire?

No. I just try to switch up my pronouns when referring to a person without sex.

Interesting. Don't see such mixing of pronouns in the Bible and "the father" is pretty unambiguous in terms of gender.
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5/24/2011 9:07:48 AM
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At 5/24/2011 8:21:36 AM, feverish wrote:
Interesting. Don't see such mixing of pronouns
True, the pronouns should not be mixed. God being referred to with the pronoun "He" does not indicate that He has a gender, or that he is specifically male.
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5/24/2011 12:50:01 PM
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At 5/24/2011 9:07:48 AM, Mirza wrote:
At 5/24/2011 8:21:36 AM, feverish wrote:
Interesting. Don't see such mixing of pronouns
True, the pronouns should not be mixed. God being referred to with the pronoun "He" does not indicate that He has a gender, or that he is specifically male.

All gender language of God is anthropomorphic or analogical. Given this, it is just as meaningless to refer to God as he as it is she. God is referred to as a mother in the Bible too, lest we forget.
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5/24/2011 1:18:05 PM
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At 5/24/2011 12:50:01 PM, InquireTruth wrote:
At 5/24/2011 9:07:48 AM, Mirza wrote:
At 5/24/2011 8:21:36 AM, feverish wrote:
Interesting. Don't see such mixing of pronouns
True, the pronouns should not be mixed. God being referred to with the pronoun "He" does not indicate that He has a gender, or that he is specifically male.

All gender language of God is anthropomorphic or analogical. Given this, it is just as meaningless to refer to God as he as it is she. God is referred to as a mother in the Bible too, lest we forget.
Giving God a certain pronoun does not have to be an indication of assigning a gender to Him. I say "He" for grammatical reasons, as "She" is neither commonly accepted nor necessary.
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5/24/2011 1:23:21 PM
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At 5/24/2011 1:18:05 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 5/24/2011 12:50:01 PM, InquireTruth wrote:
At 5/24/2011 9:07:48 AM, Mirza wrote:
At 5/24/2011 8:21:36 AM, feverish wrote:
Interesting. Don't see such mixing of pronouns
True, the pronouns should not be mixed. God being referred to with the pronoun "He" does not indicate that He has a gender, or that he is specifically male.

All gender language of God is anthropomorphic or analogical. Given this, it is just as meaningless to refer to God as he as it is she. God is referred to as a mother in the Bible too, lest we forget.
Giving God a certain pronoun does not have to be an indication of assigning a gender to Him. I say "He" for grammatical reasons, as "She" is neither commonly accepted nor necessary.

And I say she because the English language requires a gender specific pronoun and he need not be so commonly accepted in that it too, is not necessary.
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5/24/2011 1:28:35 PM
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At 5/18/2011 7:47:32 AM, tvellalott wrote:
An excellent quote pooka posted in another thread (adam and dinosaurs or something) got me thinking...

To the rational Christians:

If so much is metaphor, can see you God and the underlying force which created existence being the same thing?

Can you see all the tales as simply being someone's interpretation of morality in story form?

The Bible is like an ancient forum thread and life is like the internet; Moses posted the topic and some people added more stuff, agreeing with him, and they built a system of social law based on fantastic stories to demonstrate the kind of moral issues they wanted to deal with. Another metaphor would be Moses is like Marx and Christianity is like Socialism.

The aspect of God can be explained as a safeguard sort of 'sky daddy' who knows if you break the rules, even when no one is looking. Socially-primitive people had the same imagination as we do now, yet they hadn't yet discovered the means to begin explaining how things actually happened, so they just made stuff up. Nor had they any way of keeping track of things.

A particularly tenacious and clever man could convince an ancient people that he had spoken to 'God', could he not? I tried saying "Do this because I said so" but it didn't work... Maybe if I say "Do this because God said so" I'll be more successful.

Is it possible the Bible is simply a group of stories based perhaps on extraordinary (but scientifically explainable) events? (Much like we have highly fantastic movies and books now, some based on 'True Events'.)

You've been talking to Cosmic Alphonso ><
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5/24/2011 2:44:04 PM
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At 5/24/2011 1:18:05 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 5/24/2011 12:50:01 PM, InquireTruth wrote:
At 5/24/2011 9:07:48 AM, Mirza wrote:
At 5/24/2011 8:21:36 AM, feverish wrote:
Interesting. Don't see such mixing of pronouns
True, the pronouns should not be mixed. God being referred to with the pronoun "He" does not indicate that He has a gender, or that he is specifically male.

All gender language of God is anthropomorphic or analogical. Given this, it is just as meaningless to refer to God as he as it is she. God is referred to as a mother in the Bible too, lest we forget.
Giving God a certain pronoun does not have to be an indication of assigning a gender to Him. I say "He" for grammatical reasons, as "She" is neither commonly accepted nor necessary.

It would seem to be that "She" would make more logical sense considering that if you believe males and females were made in the likeness of God.. And that females are the gender from which life emanates.

Life emanated from God, life emanates from females. God would seem to be just as much female as male. "Father" doesn't seem to fit the bill very accurately. The male version of God is pushed hard in some religions, especially in Christianity.
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5/24/2011 2:45:51 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 5/18/2011 7:47:32 AM, tvellalott wrote:
An excellent quote pooka posted in another thread (adam and dinosaurs or something) got me thinking...

To the rational Christians:

If so much is metaphor, can see you God and the underlying force which created existence being the same thing?

Can you see all the tales as simply being someone's interpretation of morality in story form?

The Bible is like an ancient forum thread and life is like the internet; Moses posted the topic and some people added more stuff, agreeing with him, and they built a system of social law based on fantastic stories to demonstrate the kind of moral issues they wanted to deal with. Another metaphor would be Moses is like Marx and Christianity is like Socialism.

The aspect of God can be explained as a safeguard sort of 'sky daddy' who knows if you break the rules, even when no one is looking. Socially-primitive people had the same imagination as we do now, yet they hadn't yet discovered the means to begin explaining how things actually happened, so they just made stuff up. Nor had they any way of keeping track of things.

A particularly tenacious and clever man could convince an ancient people that he had spoken to 'God', could he not? I tried saying "Do this because I said so" but it didn't work... Maybe if I say "Do this because God said so" I'll be more successful.

Is it possible the Bible is simply a group of stories based perhaps on extraordinary (but scientifically explainable) events? (Much like we have highly fantastic movies and books now, some based on 'True Events'.

This.

I completely agree. It makes more sense to me than believing the words and dogma of the bible.