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The Soul and the Ship of Theseus Paradox

tvellalott
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5/18/2011 8:26:36 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Here's a thought:

What is the soul?
OT verses...
Genesis 2:7: "then the Lord God formed the man of dust from the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living creature."
Ecclesiastes 12:7: "...and the dust returns to the earth as it was, and the spirit returns to God who gave it."

More importantly, NT verses:
1 Corinthians 15:45: "Thus it is written, "The first man Adam became a living being"; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit."

Also, here is what Google says:
Soul
1. The spiritual or immaterial part of a human being or animal, regarded as immortal.
2. A person's moral or emotional nature or sense of identity.

It is relatively difficult to argue that you are not a product of your senses and your brain. We know that without a nose, we cannot smell. We know that if a certain part of our brains is affected, it can drastically effect our character.

So I ask you: is the soul still 'us', despite 'who we are' being defined by our brains and senses, or is it just a copy of what we were in life, not the original?
(No false dichotomy; please help me understand.)
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Meatros
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5/18/2011 9:09:46 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 5/18/2011 8:26:36 PM, tvellalott wrote:

It is relatively difficult to argue that you are not a product of your senses and your brain. We know that without a nose, we cannot smell. We know that if a certain part of our brains is affected, it can drastically effect our character.

So I ask you: is the soul still 'us', despite 'who we are' being defined by our brains and senses, or is it just a copy of what we were in life, not the original?
(No false dichotomy; please help me understand.)

I was having a similar discussion with my wife. There was a split brain patient where one side of the brain was a theist, the other an atheist.

So... Does that person go to Hell?
popculturepooka
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5/19/2011 7:13:50 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 5/18/2011 9:09:46 PM, Meatros wrote:

I was having a similar discussion with my wife. There was a split brain patient where one side of the brain was a theist, the other an atheist.

So... Does that person go to Hell?

Maybe, maybe not. Salvation in christian theology really isn't that simple despite what others may say.
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5/19/2011 7:28:49 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
There is no eternal soul of the individual. There is only one cosmic soul. You can call it god if you want.
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5/20/2011 8:14:39 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 5/18/2011 8:26:36 PM, tvellalott wrote:
Here's a thought:

What is the soul?
OT verses...
Genesis 2:7: "then the Lord God formed the man of dust from the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living creature."
Ecclesiastes 12:7: "...and the dust returns to the earth as it was, and the spirit returns to God who gave it."

More importantly, NT verses:
1 Corinthians 15:45: "Thus it is written, "The first man Adam became a living being"; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit."

Also, here is what Google says:
Soul
1. The spiritual or immaterial part of a human being or animal, regarded as immortal.
2. A person's moral or emotional nature or sense of identity.

It is relatively difficult to argue that you are not a product of your senses and your brain. We know that without a nose, we cannot smell. We know that if a certain part of our brains is affected, it can drastically effect our character.

So I ask you: is the soul still 'us', despite 'who we are' being defined by our brains and senses, or is it just a copy of what we were in life, not the original?
(No false dichotomy; please help me understand.)

We are not (according to me) wholly defined by our body; furthermore, that which isn't defined by our physicality is what I call: "soul".
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5/20/2011 11:02:40 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 5/20/2011 8:14:39 AM, vardas0antras wrote:
At 5/18/2011 8:26:36 PM, tvellalott wrote:
Here's a thought:

What is the soul?
OT verses...
Genesis 2:7: "then the Lord God formed the man of dust from the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living creature."
Ecclesiastes 12:7: "...and the dust returns to the earth as it was, and the spirit returns to God who gave it."

More importantly, NT verses:
1 Corinthians 15:45: "Thus it is written, "The first man Adam became a living being"; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit."

Also, here is what Google says:
Soul
1. The spiritual or immaterial part of a human being or animal, regarded as immortal.
2. A person's moral or emotional nature or sense of identity.

It is relatively difficult to argue that you are not a product of your senses and your brain. We know that without a nose, we cannot smell. We know that if a certain part of our brains is affected, it can drastically effect our character.

So I ask you: is the soul still 'us', despite 'who we are' being defined by our brains and senses, or is it just a copy of what we were in life, not the original?
(No false dichotomy; please help me understand.)

We are not (according to me) wholly defined by our body; furthermore, that which isn't defined by our physicality is what I call: "soul".

From my perspective, defining 'soul' as 'that which isn't defined by our physicality' would lead me to reason that the term 'soul' has no meaning.