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What and Who is God?

Meatros
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5/25/2011 10:14:46 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 5/25/2011 9:44:41 AM, jar2187 wrote:
What can we say about God?

Probably nothing.

I think an argument can be made that God is actually negatively defined.
GreatestIam
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5/25/2011 11:25:40 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
To define God as other than a set of rules, is idol worship.

Regardless of your religion, Christian, Muslim or any other religion, have you ever wondered why people began personifying God?
Why did we start giving Him a name when the Bible begins by telling us that He is the word. Word meaning rules.
The reason to me seems clear.
Our first God was a man.
Who but man can give voice to the will/rules of God?
There is only man.
The word God should then never be personified. When we do, it becomes idol worship.
God should be considered a title only. Somewhat like king or law.
Regardless of your religion or lack of it, to tie yourself to any Word is also idol worship.
We all label ourselves according to the set of rules we follow be they Christian, Muslim, Democrat or Green.
Our political Gods = rules.
Our religious Gods = rules.
Our natural Gods = rules.
Seek God yes. When you find Him, raise the bar of excellence for both Him and man.
Whoever you are, you live by one or two or three of those sets of rules mentioned. More than likely, a combination of all of them.
In this, none of us have any choice.
My question is aimed primarily at literalist and fundamentals who believe that their WORD is the WORD of a personified God. In other words, to my mind, idol worshipers.
Do you agree and see that to lock yourself to any WORD, including a personified religious God, is idol worship?
Am I wrong in saying that our first God was a man and that our last God should be a man as well?

Regards
DL

P. S. For a bit of Biblical history and insight.
joneszj
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5/25/2011 9:24:07 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 5/25/2011 9:44:41 AM, jar2187 wrote:
What can we say about God?

Well to answer that you must presuppose:
1 Gods existence
2 That God knowable
3 How God is knowable

I could offer what historically Christianity has assumed but I get the feeling it would be fruitless.

Ugh I never noticed that one could expand the "reply" box with the lines at the bottom right corner. That makes things so much more convenient!
baggins
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5/25/2011 10:29:35 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
This is the Islamic concept of God. I guess followers of most religion will accept it.

Allah. There is no god but He,-the Living, the Self-subsisting, Eternal. No slumber can seize Him nor sleep. His are all things in the heavens and on earth. Who is there can intercede in His presence except as He permitteth? He knoweth what (appeareth to His creatures as) before or after or behind them. Nor shall they compass aught of His knowledge except as He willeth. His Throne doth extend over the heavens and the earth, and He feeleth no fatigue in guarding and preserving them for He is the Most High, the Supreme (in glory).
The Holy Quran 29:19-20

See they not how Allah originates creation, then repeats it: truly that is easy for Allah.

Say: "Travel through the earth and see how Allah did originate creation; so will Allah produce a later creation: for Allah has power over all things.
GreatestIam
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5/26/2011 9:16:08 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 5/25/2011 10:29:35 PM, baggins wrote:
This is the Islamic concept of God. I guess followers of most religion will accept it.

Allah. There is no god but He,-the Living, the Self-subsisting, Eternal. No slumber can seize Him nor sleep. His are all things in the heavens and on earth. Who is there can intercede in His presence except as He permitteth? He knoweth what (appeareth to His creatures as) before or after or behind them. Nor shall they compass aught of His knowledge except as He willeth. His Throne doth extend over the heavens and the earth, and He feeleth no fatigue in guarding and preserving them for He is the Most High, the Supreme (in glory).

Regards
DL
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5/26/2011 9:17:47 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 5/25/2011 10:50:57 PM, Cliff.Stamp wrote:
At 5/25/2011 11:25:40 AM, GreatestIam wrote:

To define God as other than a set of rules, is idol worship.

Debate?

I repeat what i gave you elsewhere.

I can try anything once.
I do tend to be short winded though so KIS.

Regards
DL