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GreatestIam
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6/29/2011 11:59:50 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
Are Evangelicals and conservative Christians the Anti-Christ?

In the tribal conditions of the ancient world, it is not surprising that Christians would be hated.

Revelation shows the destruction of all except God's chosen. Evangelicals and literalists, pray for this genocidal destruction to happen in their lifetimes. That is a lot of hate coming from those who profess to love all of mankind. Some would say that these so called Christians, are not of good heart and do not follow their own religion, bible or a loving Christ.

Romans 12:21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

Some would in fact say that these Christians are traitors to the society they hate.

In the old tribal days, and even today, those who do not believe as Evangelicals, literalists and conservative Christians do, would see these as traitors and haters and would get their backs up, as most humans being would automatically do, and hate these Christian traitors right back. It is no wonder then, and some ancients would say quite fittingly, that these traitors should be fed to the lions. Hate being returned for the hate that these Christians show to society.

It is not too surprising then to see why Christians were persecuted in the old days. They deserved it as far as the other tribes were concerned as they were showing hate for all others in wishing and praying for their death in this life as well as everlasting torture for eternity in the next.

What a game for your God to play if such were true!
Create a place for eternal bliss as well as a place for eternal suffering.
Then create beings whom he loves dearly and watches over.
And in the end, decide which to consider "trash" and "throw away" into the place for eternal suffering and which to cling to and love in the place for eternal bliss.
Even man, with all his faults, is greater and more responsible.

Evangelicals and followers of Jesus should thank God that they live in a world that has lost some of it's tribal ways, not themselves of course, and society allow these who hate them so much, to remain untouched in today's environment.

These Evangelicals and literalist believers think themselves as followers of Christ yet Christ was of love while they are of hate. They are anti their own bible as shown with Rom 12;21. If the bible is the word of God as they believe it is, then they are anti-bible and therefore, biblically speaking, Anti-Christ. They definitely are not cut from the same cloth that Jesus was.

Are these Evangelicals and literalist believers the Anti-Christ of scripture?

Is the term traitors to humanity a fitting label for these misguided Christians?

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DL
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6/29/2011 12:24:22 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
GreatestIAm. You are speaking of a group that is what you call semi christians.
They are not the real thing because they reject the preachings of John and
Paul. They believe that you can only accept Jesus as your savior by confession
only. But the Pentacostals teach that you MUST receive The Spirit Of God,
BY THE SPEAKING OF TONGUES, as the Spirit gives one utterance.
There is no other way that you can attain eternal life.
Did you get that ? Good.
GreatestIam
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6/29/2011 1:05:28 PM
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At 6/29/2011 12:24:22 PM, interrogator wrote:
GreatestIAm. You are speaking of a group that is what you call semi christians.
They are not the real thing because they reject the preachings of John and
Paul. They believe that you can only accept Jesus as your savior by confession
only. But the Pentacostals teach that you MUST receive The Spirit Of God,
BY THE SPEAKING OF TONGUES, as the Spirit gives one utterance.
There is no other way that you can attain eternal life.
Did you get that ? Good.

Pentecostals do not read Revelation literally then?
So why do they read John and Paul literally?

BTW. Thanks for ending your reply in the usual Christian way.

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DL
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6/29/2011 1:09:00 PM
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GreatestIAm. We do read Revelations, and it says the same.
You can only be saved by the speaking of tongues.
Dont let any other being deceive you.
This is what divides people of religion the most.
The requirements for salvation.
The gospel of John and Paul are Pentacostal based and these fundamentals
stand true until today. There is no reason to believe in something other
than what is written.
Mirza
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6/29/2011 1:25:09 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 6/29/2011 11:59:50 AM, GreatestIam wrote:
Are Evangelicals and conservative Christians the Anti-Christ?
Anti-Christ is singular.
GreatestIam
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6/29/2011 1:53:12 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 6/29/2011 1:09:00 PM, interrogator wrote:
GreatestIAm. We do read Revelations, and it says the same.
You can only be saved by the speaking of tongues.
Dont let any other being deceive you.
This is what divides people of religion the most.
The requirements for salvation.
The gospel of John and Paul are Pentacostal based and these fundamentals
stand true until today. There is no reason to believe in something other
than what is written.

Yet if you read James, you will note that he disagreed with Paul on faith and works.

He said that faith without works is dead.

Your view is the opposite. James makes a lot more sense.

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DL
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6/29/2011 1:54:32 PM
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What James said is true. But you cannot have eternal life based on faith alone.
And no. James did not say that you could. Try again, snake eyes.
GreatestIam
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6/29/2011 2:25:11 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 6/29/2011 1:54:32 PM, interrogator wrote:
What James said is true. But you cannot have eternal life based on faith alone.
And no. James did not say that you could. Try again, snake eyes.

Pay attention and perhaps you will not read things backwards.

James is the one who said works are required. Paul said all that is required is faith.

You follow Paul, I follow James.

James makes more sense than Paul.

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DL
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6/29/2011 2:29:08 PM
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GreatestIAm. That was before Paul was crucified, and transformed by God.
After he went blind for 3 days, he began to follow the direct teachings of
God and His Word. You cannot have eternal life with faith only.
That does not constitute or define salvation.
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6/29/2011 2:32:03 PM
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James was not teaching the basic fundamentals of what is the laws of
righteouness. He said that faith without works is dead. That means if you
lack faith and do not trust God undoubtedly, then you cannot be saved. The works
comes with being changed from natural to Holy. *
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6/29/2011 2:34:09 PM
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Those who hate, cannot be considered of God. You need to redefine that
word "Christian. Obviously that word means something else to you than it
does me.
GreatestIam
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6/29/2011 3:16:46 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 6/29/2011 2:32:03 PM, interrogator wrote:
James was not teaching the basic fundamentals of what is the laws of
righteouness. He said that faith without works is dead. That means if you
lack faith and do not trust God undoubtedly, then you cannot be saved. The works
comes with being changed from natural to Holy. *

Works are therefore a requirement.
That is what I said.
Something that Paul did not agree with.

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DL
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6/29/2011 3:21:15 PM
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Greatest I Am. Yes, you are correct. In order for God to move, you MUST have
faith. You must also have enough faith to believe that he Can save you from
your sins. If that is the case, then you shall have that which is ask of.
But you still cannot have eternal life based by faith and good works alone.
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6/29/2011 5:10:24 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 6/29/2011 2:25:11 PM, GreatestIam wrote:
At 6/29/2011 1:54:32 PM, interrogator wrote:
What James said is true. But you cannot have eternal life based on faith alone.
And no. James did not say that you could. Try again, snake eyes.

Pay attention and perhaps you will not read things backwards.

James is the one who said works are required. Paul said all that is required is faith.

You follow Paul, I follow James.

James makes more sense than Paul.

Regards
DL

I have to agree. Again, this is further proof that the epistles aren't God inspired but are the opinions of the authors. James is saying that you do have to have faith to go to heaven, but by doing good things, that shows that you are a Christian and have faith in God.
"And so I tell you, keep on asking, and you will receive what you ask for. Keep on seeking, and you will find. Keep on knocking, and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks, receives. Everyone who seeks, finds. And to everyone who knocks, the door will be opened." Jesus in Luke 11:9-10
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6/29/2011 5:21:09 PM
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Charles. Man cannot enter into the Kingdom Of Heaven based on good works
alone !
That means that even if youre just a faith filled person, you can still go
to Hell. If you have Gods Holy Spirit inside of your body, then you will not.
Do you see the difference ? I hope that you do..............
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6/29/2011 5:44:37 PM
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That means salvation does require faith.
But faith itself cannot save you, unless God chooses to Himself.
Its called mercy. <-------------------
GreatestIam
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6/29/2011 6:04:20 PM
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At 6/29/2011 5:10:24 PM, Charles0103 wrote:
At 6/29/2011 2:25:11 PM, GreatestIam wrote:
At 6/29/2011 1:54:32 PM, interrogator wrote:
What James said is true. But you cannot have eternal life based on faith alone.
And no. James did not say that you could. Try again, snake eyes.

Pay attention and perhaps you will not read things backwards.

James is the one who said works are required. Paul said all that is required is faith.

You follow Paul, I follow James.

James makes more sense than Paul.

Regards
DL

I have to agree. Again, this is further proof that the epistles aren't God inspired but are the opinions of the authors. James is saying that you do have to have faith to go to heaven, but by doing good things, that shows that you are a Christian and have faith in God.

Exactly. You have to live your faith. Not turn your back on the needy etc.
After all, demons have faith and clear knowledge that God is real but will not do good works and even with fait, are bound for hell.
Not that I believe in demons but only scrpturally speaking.

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DL
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6/29/2011 6:10:45 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 6/29/2011 5:21:09 PM, interrogator wrote:
Charles. Man cannot enter into the Kingdom Of Heaven based on good works
alone !
That means that even if youre just a faith filled person, you can still go
to Hell. If you have Gods Holy Spirit inside of your body, then you will not.
Do you see the difference ? I hope that you do..............

Learn your bible.

2 Peter 3:9 KJ
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Note what God's will is.
Can man thwart God's will?
Only those of little faith will think so.
I know you will show how little faith you have by saying that some of us are lost.
Go ahead, call the word of God a liar.

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DL
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6/29/2011 6:20:22 PM
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Greatest I Am. Some of you are lost.
You are misreading the Bible as always.
Faith is the substance of things hoped for.
Without faith, you cannot please God.
And there are others of importance that I have yet to type.
But this is the one that matters.
The Holy Ghost is what is required, in order for one to attain eternal life.
FAITH is part of the process. You cannot go to Heaven, just because
you are a person who has great faith.
Salvation is the core issue here.
GreatestIam
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6/29/2011 6:56:34 PM
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I knew you would denounce 2 Peter and make a loser of God.

There is nothing you can teach me child.
I can teach you the way to apotheosis but you refuse to learn.
You read my word on demons and are too dense to realize the wisdom of the words of James.

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DL
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7/2/2011 10:32:10 PM
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Ephesians 2:7,8,9

2:7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in [his] kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:
2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
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7/6/2011 9:57:10 AM
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At 7/2/2011 10:32:10 PM, medic0506 wrote:
Ephesians 2:7,8,9

2:7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in [his] kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:
2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Thanks for the boast and showing how entrenched in your hero worship you are.
I guess you missed ----
"Exactly. You have to live your faith. Not turn your back on the needy etc.
After all, demons have faith and clear knowledge that God is real but will not do good works and even with faith, are bound for hell.
Not that I believe in demons but only scrpturally speaking.", from above.

Only the Anti-Christ will believe in demons and a literal Jesus.

Regards
DL