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7/7/2011 4:36:53 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
Here's something that I haven't seen talked about.

I consider myself a Christian Existentialist(while simultaneously many other things that are completely contradictory).

So what is that exactly?

In the most dumbed-down and under-stated way, it can be put that it is a sort of subjective Christianity that one supporting doesn't truly see as encompassing objective reality. That is true and completely wrong.

As you can, it's not hard to imagine how I reconcile Christian Existentialism with my Discordianism.

To understand it deeper we need to take a closer look at both Christianity and Existentialism.

Existentialism can be a very broad subject considering the diversity in opinions from those who are considered to be Existentialist philosophers. Most agree that Søren Kierkegaard was the first identifiable real Existentialist, who was indeed a Christian Existentialist. Friedrich Nietzsche is probably the more famous of fundamental leaders to the beginning of Existentialism. Their ideas are concerned with the analysis of existence and where the human finds themselves within it, with understanding the self, self-meaning and the meaning of meaning, what truth can be discerned with only subjective experience and without objective facts, the nature of every individual's quite struggle with prospect of apparent meaningless in existence and our attempt to make diversions from it, the nature of choice and how choices effect or define the identity of the chooser. Nietzsche had an idealized individual who invents his or her own values and creates the very terms under which they have meaning. Kierkegaard was a Christian but argued that objective certainty of religious truths was not only impossible, but would eliminate the passionate life required of a Christian who must make a leap of faith.

Then there's Christianity. Most would say they know what it is. Though, I would say that immediately after Jesus left and people had to figure things out for themselves, everything went wrong with Christianity and especially later on. The definition of pure Christianity is more clear and simple than anything else I know. Humanity has a hilarious attribute to take things way out of proportion. Christianity is simply Love. That's really all there is to it. Or, perhaps, it may be better to say that Love is Christianity. And whether or not you are someone full of Love, every person knows how to. Not everyone knows all the rules someone may profess, they may not know the teaching or the book. And they don't need to. There are no rules to Love. From Love, everything else follows.

With these two philosophies combined, it makes the ultimate Romanticism. It's about defining one's self and doing so with Love. You may say it's full of mumbo-jumbo. But I'd say you'd boring not to be full of some too.

Discuss.
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7/7/2011 4:16:22 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Opinion: I would have to respectfully disagree and say that love is love, not Christianity. Christianity is a label. The label of a religion. Love is a term that describes positive emotional energy.
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7/7/2011 4:40:03 PM
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Wouldn't Christian Existentialism be more like, "The only thing I know is that I exist, but I consider myself a Christian."? It is more like being aware that your faith is blind.

I'm not entirely sure if you are describing this, doesn't really seem like it.
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7/7/2011 4:49:44 PM
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At 7/7/2011 4:16:22 PM, Tiel wrote:
Opinion: I would have to respectfully disagree and say that love is love, not Christianity. Christianity is a label. The label of a religion. Love is a term that describes positive emotional energy.

This.
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7/7/2011 5:38:55 PM
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At 7/7/2011 3:25:57 PM, Contradiction wrote:
In what sense is this "Christian"?

It has the label of Christian because I arbitrarily declared so. If, instead, what you mean is how does it reconcile with what you yourself mean by Christian, I would find it difficult to answer seeing as I am not you and myself in the same instance.
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7/7/2011 5:40:47 PM
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At 7/7/2011 3:59:29 PM, Kinesis wrote:
FREEDO, you're a natural continental philosopher.

I am not a philosopher. Philosophy seeks to understand the world. I am the anti-philosopher. I do not give nor seek understanding, I take it away.
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7/7/2011 5:45:51 PM
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At 7/7/2011 5:40:47 PM, FREEDO wrote:

I am not a philosopher. Philosophy seeks to understand the world. I am the anti-philosopher. I do not give nor seek understanding, I take it away.

Only when you control the definitions.
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7/7/2011 5:45:53 PM
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At 7/7/2011 4:16:22 PM, Tiel wrote:
Opinion: I would have to respectfully disagree and say that love is love, not Christianity. Christianity is a label. The label of a religion. Love is a term that describes positive emotional energy.

Everything is just a label. Words are silly things, really. And I used Love as more a verb, really. Which, frankly, I know makes what I said less coherent than you already thought.
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7/7/2011 5:46:19 PM
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At 7/7/2011 4:40:03 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
Wouldn't Christian Existentialism be more like, "The only thing I know is that I exist, but I consider myself a Christian."? It is more like being aware that your faith is blind.


I'm not entirely sure if you are describing this, doesn't really seem like it.

No, I don't believe I exist. I am a Christian though.
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7/7/2011 5:47:04 PM
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At 7/7/2011 5:45:51 PM, InquireTruth wrote:
At 7/7/2011 5:40:47 PM, FREEDO wrote:

I am not a philosopher. Philosophy seeks to understand the world. I am the anti-philosopher. I do not give nor seek understanding, I take it away.

Only when you control the definitions.

Is it possible not to?
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7/7/2011 6:22:04 PM
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At 7/7/2011 5:47:04 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 7/7/2011 5:45:51 PM, InquireTruth wrote:
At 7/7/2011 5:40:47 PM, FREEDO wrote:

I am not a philosopher. Philosophy seeks to understand the world. I am the anti-philosopher. I do not give nor seek understanding, I take it away.

Only when you control the definitions.

Is it possible not to?

According to me, what you just said is "Yes."
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7/7/2011 6:36:41 PM
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At 7/7/2011 5:46:19 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 7/7/2011 4:40:03 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
Wouldn't Christian Existentialism be more like, "The only thing I know is that I exist, but I consider myself a Christian."? It is more like being aware that your faith is blind.


I'm not entirely sure if you are describing this, doesn't really seem like it.

No, I don't believe I exist. I am a Christian though.

*Throws up hands in exasperation*
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7/7/2011 6:57:47 PM
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At 7/7/2011 6:22:04 PM, InquireTruth wrote:
At 7/7/2011 5:47:04 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 7/7/2011 5:45:51 PM, InquireTruth wrote:
At 7/7/2011 5:40:47 PM, FREEDO wrote:

I am not a philosopher. Philosophy seeks to understand the world. I am the anti-philosopher. I do not give nor seek understanding, I take it away.

Only when you control the definitions.

Is it possible not to?

According to me, what you just said is "Yes."

Precisely.
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7/7/2011 7:11:55 PM
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At 7/7/2011 5:46:19 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 7/7/2011 4:40:03 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
Wouldn't Christian Existentialism be more like, "The only thing I know is that I exist, but I consider myself a Christian."? It is more like being aware that your faith is blind.


I'm not entirely sure if you are describing this, doesn't really seem like it.

No, I don't believe I exist. I am a Christian though.

Don't you have to exist to be something?
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7/7/2011 7:45:07 PM
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If you want to label what you believe as being "Christian", that is fine.

The way that Jesus leads to is love, and if you are of that mind, I have nothing but respect.

I wish more people could love the way that Jesus did. His love was not like the type that I find repulsive. His love was a love that I feel is honest. Even if it might seem naive, it is a love that stems from not taking things too seriously. I respect that tremendously. I love Jesus. Most Christians do not understand the type of love he described.
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7/7/2011 11:57:21 PM
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At 7/7/2011 7:11:55 PM, Andromeda_Z wrote:
At 7/7/2011 5:46:19 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 7/7/2011 4:40:03 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
Wouldn't Christian Existentialism be more like, "The only thing I know is that I exist, but I consider myself a Christian."? It is more like being aware that your faith is blind.


I'm not entirely sure if you are describing this, doesn't really seem like it.

No, I don't believe I exist. I am a Christian though.

Don't you have to exist to be something?

Surely that would be true, unless both concepts are, in actuality, incoherent. That is, what it means to be and to be something.
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7/7/2011 11:58:14 PM
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At 7/7/2011 9:14:38 PM, Rockylightning wrote:
I find it hard to call Christianity "Love".

I'd rather call it "Not following the instruction manual".

I find the instruction manual to be a very unloving book.
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7/8/2011 12:03:10 AM
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At 7/7/2011 11:57:21 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 7/7/2011 7:11:55 PM, Andromeda_Z wrote:
At 7/7/2011 5:46:19 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 7/7/2011 4:40:03 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
Wouldn't Christian Existentialism be more like, "The only thing I know is that I exist, but I consider myself a Christian."? It is more like being aware that your faith is blind.


I'm not entirely sure if you are describing this, doesn't really seem like it.

No, I don't believe I exist. I am a Christian though.

Don't you have to exist to be something?

Surely that would be true, unless both concepts are, in actuality, incoherent. That is, what it means to be and to be something.

How are they incoherent?
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7/8/2011 12:12:38 AM
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At 7/8/2011 12:03:10 AM, Andromeda_Z wrote:
At 7/7/2011 11:57:21 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 7/7/2011 7:11:55 PM, Andromeda_Z wrote:
At 7/7/2011 5:46:19 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 7/7/2011 4:40:03 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
Wouldn't Christian Existentialism be more like, "The only thing I know is that I exist, but I consider myself a Christian."? It is more like being aware that your faith is blind.


I'm not entirely sure if you are describing this, doesn't really seem like it.

No, I don't believe I exist. I am a Christian though.

Don't you have to exist to be something?

Surely that would be true, unless both concepts are, in actuality, incoherent. That is, what it means to be and to be something.

How are they incoherent?

For the same incoherent reasons that all other concepts are.
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7/8/2011 12:14:34 AM
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At 7/7/2011 11:58:14 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 7/7/2011 9:14:38 PM, Rockylightning wrote:
I find it hard to call Christianity "Love".

I'd rather call it "Not following the instruction manual".

I find the instruction manual to be a very unloving book.

And Christianity manifests out of the bible; ergo Christianity is unloving.
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7/8/2011 12:23:23 AM
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At 7/8/2011 12:14:34 AM, Rockylightning wrote:
At 7/7/2011 11:58:14 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 7/7/2011 9:14:38 PM, Rockylightning wrote:
I find it hard to call Christianity "Love".

I'd rather call it "Not following the instruction manual".

I find the instruction manual to be a very unloving book.

And Christianity manifests out of the bible; ergo Christianity is unloving.

I thought you meant a metaphorical instruction book.
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7/8/2011 12:28:06 AM
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At 7/8/2011 12:23:23 AM, FREEDO wrote:
At 7/8/2011 12:14:34 AM, Rockylightning wrote:
At 7/7/2011 11:58:14 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 7/7/2011 9:14:38 PM, Rockylightning wrote:
I find it hard to call Christianity "Love".

I'd rather call it "Not following the instruction manual".

I find the instruction manual to be a very unloving book.

And Christianity manifests out of the bible; ergo Christianity is unloving.

I thought you meant a metaphorical instruction book.

Its a metaphor for the bible and its teachings.
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7/8/2011 7:25:52 AM
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At 7/7/2011 5:46:19 PM, FREEDO wrote:
No, I don't believe I exist. I am a Christian though.

You do believe you exist. Don't be silly.
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7/8/2011 7:28:55 AM
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At 7/8/2011 3:19:58 AM, Thaddeus wrote:
At 7/7/2011 3:59:29 PM, Kinesis wrote:
FREEDO, you're a natural continental philosopher.

A bit harsh, don't you think?

Hey, he's the one speaking gobbledegook and trying to sound 'deep'. That's practically the definition of a continental philosopher.