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7/8/2011 10:57:40 AM
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For the first time in DDO history, the atheists outnumber the Christians in terms of the actual tally.

2338 http://www.debate.org... Atheists

2337 http://www.debate.org... Christians
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7/8/2011 10:59:34 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
1: We don't have any Christians here do we?

2: Why are you exalting in this? Atheism is an intellectual position, not a tribal one.

3: Great... so no hope of a decent debate with someone with an opposing view.
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7/8/2011 11:36:53 AM
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Really? That's surprising. I always that atheists had always out numbered Christians on this site. 0_o
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7/8/2011 11:40:17 AM
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There are 1,558 agnostics on this site. Agnostics usually believe that there's not God, they just aren't sure. So in a sense we've always been out numbered. :/
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7/8/2011 11:49:19 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
One more thing!

Those figures aren't accurate. They only show those who set their religion as Christian.

What about those who set their religion as Christian - Baptist (like myself), Christian - Catholic, Christian - Protestant, Christian - Lutheran, Christian - Presbyterian etc...
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7/8/2011 11:50:15 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 7/8/2011 10:57:40 AM, Freeman wrote:
For the first time in DDO history, the atheists outnumber the Christians in terms of the actual tally.

2338 http://www.debate.org... Atheists

2337 http://www.debate.org... Christians

I checked them, they say its tied 2,337 to 2,337.
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: At 12/6/2011 2:21:41 PM, badger wrote:
: ugly people should beat beautiful people ugly. simple! you'd be killing two birds with the one stone... women like violent men and you're making yourself more attractive, relatively. i met a blonde dude who was prettier than me not so long ago. he's not so pretty now! ha!
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: ...and well, he wasn't really prettier than me. he just had nice hair.
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7/8/2011 2:12:49 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 7/8/2011 11:49:19 AM, phantom wrote:
One more thing!

Those figures aren't accurate. They only show those who set their religion as Christian.

What about those who set their religion as Christian - Baptist (like myself), Christian - Catholic, Christian - Protestant, Christian - Lutheran, Christian - Presbyterian etc...

This.
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7/8/2011 2:20:30 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 7/8/2011 10:59:34 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
3: Great... so no hope of a decent debate with someone with an opposing view.

It's interesting that you think because there is 1 more listed atheist than Christian that there is no hope for intelligent Christian debates. Personally, I gave up hope of having a decent debate with a theist when I was 15. That's like saying you want to have a decent debate with someone who believes in the Tooth Fairy. Good luck.
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7/8/2011 3:20:21 PM
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At 7/8/2011 2:20:30 PM, Danielle wrote:
At 7/8/2011 10:59:34 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
3: Great... so no hope of a decent debate with someone with an opposing view.

It's interesting that you think because there is 1 more listed atheist than Christian that there is no hope for intelligent Christian debates. Personally, I gave up hope of having a decent debate with a theist when I was 15. That's like saying you want to have a decent debate with someone who believes in the Tooth Fairy. Good luck.

Humans are irrational period, it does not matter which faith or belief, they are all irrational holier than thou pricks,it is just that some take it to greater extremes than others.
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: At 12/6/2011 2:21:41 PM, badger wrote:
: ugly people should beat beautiful people ugly. simple! you'd be killing two birds with the one stone... women like violent men and you're making yourself more attractive, relatively. i met a blonde dude who was prettier than me not so long ago. he's not so pretty now! ha!
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: ...and well, he wasn't really prettier than me. he just had nice hair.
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7/8/2011 3:23:33 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 7/8/2011 10:59:34 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
1: We don't have any Christians here do we?

2: Why are you exalting in this? Atheism is an intellectual position, not a tribal one.

3: Great... so no hope of a decent debate with someone with an opposing view.

As a great man once said...

"lol u mad bro?"

Well he wasn't great at that particular moment, admittedly...
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7/8/2011 4:00:15 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 7/8/2011 2:20:30 PM, Danielle wrote:
It's interesting that you think because there is 1 more listed atheist than Christian that there is no hope for intelligent Christian debates. Personally, I gave up hope of having a decent debate with a theist when I was 15. That's like saying you want to have a decent debate with someone who believes in the Tooth Fairy. Good luck.

Plenty of Christians are highly interesting people and great debaters. You and Vi have debated popculture.
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7/8/2011 4:35:58 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 7/8/2011 4:00:15 PM, Kinesis wrote:
Plenty of Christians are highly interesting people and great debaters. You and Vi have debated popculture.

Interesting people, sure, and some are even good debaters. However being a good debater doesn't mean that the side you are defending is necessarily correct. Also, just because PCP is among the most articulate Christians doesn't give his arguments any merit. I admit (and I love PCP as a person, btw) that I think he is incredibly overrated. Just because he has actually read theist philosophy and doesn't give the same herp derp but god just HAZZZ to be real arguments, doesn't mean his arguments are actually good or non-ambiguous.

For instance, he defends Thomas Aquinas' "Third Way" argument for God, which simply concludes that a supreme being exists (and not necessarily the concept of God as we know it or what he believes). I should also point out that just because an argument logically follows does not necessarily make it true (it may be valid but not sound). For every valid syllogism in favor of God's existence you can find 10 stating otherwise.

In short, I agree with Carl Sagan that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, for which PCP nor any theist can come remotely close to proving anything. At least science can verify some things whereas religious people rely on manipulated myths passed down verbally. Even if God exists, I haven't seen PCP or anyone come close to defending that the Abrahamic God (and all the tales surrounding that concept) are legitimate. Prove that Jesus literally and physically ascended into the sky. "Oh but like omg like his body was like missing from his grave so like omg he must have risen, amirite?!" Lol, please.
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7/8/2011 4:50:19 PM
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I wonder I should bother responding, because, y'know, your hope that a decent debate can be had with a theist is, like, gone.

ololol
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7/8/2011 5:21:16 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 7/8/2011 11:49:19 AM, phantom wrote:
One more thing!

Those figures aren't accurate. They only show those who set their religion as Christian.

What about those who set their religion as Christian - Baptist (like myself), Christian - Catholic, Christian - Protestant, Christian - Lutheran, Christian - Presbyterian etc...

Exactly, and I had realized this before as I couldn't figure out the exact number of Christians. It could be done if you look through all the denominations for Christians and then put atheist and agnostic together we might have a better representation.
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7/8/2011 5:22:37 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 7/8/2011 5:21:16 PM, BennyW wrote:
At 7/8/2011 11:49:19 AM, phantom wrote:
One more thing!

Those figures aren't accurate. They only show those who set their religion as Christian.

What about those who set their religion as Christian - Baptist (like myself), Christian - Catholic, Christian - Protestant, Christian - Lutheran, Christian - Presbyterian etc...

Exactly, and I had realized this before as I couldn't figure out the exact number of Christians. It could be done if you look through all the denominations for Christians and then put atheist and agnostic together we might have a better representation.

and the people with parody religions...
We're both atheists. I just believe in one less god than you.
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7/8/2011 5:23:37 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 7/8/2011 4:35:58 PM, Danielle wrote:
At 7/8/2011 4:00:15 PM, Kinesis wrote:
Plenty of Christians are highly interesting people and great debaters. You and Vi have debated popculture.

Interesting people, sure, and some are even good debaters. However being a good debater doesn't mean that the side you are defending is necessarily correct. Also, just because PCP is among the most articulate Christians doesn't give his arguments any merit. I admit (and I love PCP as a person, btw) that I think he is incredibly overrated. Just because he has actually read theist philosophy and doesn't give the same herp derp but god just HAZZZ to be real arguments, doesn't mean his arguments are actually good or non-ambiguous.

For instance, he defends Thomas Aquinas' "Third Way" argument for God, which simply concludes that a supreme being exists (and not necessarily the concept of God as we know it or what he believes). I should also point out that just because an argument logically follows does not necessarily make it true (it may be valid but not sound). For every valid syllogism in favor of God's existence you can find 10 stating otherwise.

In short, I agree with Carl Sagan that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, for which PCP nor any theist can come remotely close to proving anything. At least science can verify some things whereas religious people rely on manipulated myths passed down verbally. Even if God exists, I haven't seen PCP or anyone come close to defending that the Abrahamic God (and all the tales surrounding that concept) are legitimate. Prove that Jesus literally and physically ascended into the sky. "Oh but like omg like his body was like missing from his grave so like omg he must have risen, amirite?!" Lol, please.

Just because you are the best debtor on this site according to their standards (which I can't figure out how someone with a higher win percentage can end up in a lower percentile).
Also, izbo10 is an atheist and he is a terrible debater.
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7/8/2011 6:37:24 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 7/8/2011 11:50:15 AM, SuperRobotWars wrote:
At 7/8/2011 10:57:40 AM, Freeman wrote:
For the first time in DDO history, the atheists outnumber the Christians in terms of the actual tally.

2338 http://www.debate.org... Atheists

2337 http://www.debate.org... Christians

I checked them, they say its tied 2,337 to 2,337.

One of our people became an apostate. :/
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7/8/2011 7:31:54 PM
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At 7/8/2011 4:50:19 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
I wonder I should bother responding, because, y'know, your hope that a decent debate can be had with a theist is, like, gone.

Pretty much. "When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."
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7/8/2011 7:33:19 PM
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At 7/8/2011 5:23:37 PM, BennyW wrote:
Just because you are the best debtor on this site according to their standards (which I can't figure out how someone with a higher win percentage can end up in a lower percentile).

Try harder and maybe you will figure it out.

Also, I don't care about rankings and think they should be done away with.

Also, izbo10 is an atheist and he is a terrible debater.

That is completely irrelevant but okay :)
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7/8/2011 8:06:55 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 7/8/2011 6:37:24 PM, Freeman wrote:
At 7/8/2011 11:50:15 AM, SuperRobotWars wrote:
At 7/8/2011 10:57:40 AM, Freeman wrote:
For the first time in DDO history, the atheists outnumber the Christians in terms of the actual tally.

2338 http://www.debate.org... Atheists

2337 http://www.debate.org... Christians

I checked them, they say its tied 2,337 to 2,337.

One of our people became an apostate. :/

Converted!
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: At 12/6/2011 2:21:41 PM, badger wrote:
: ugly people should beat beautiful people ugly. simple! you'd be killing two birds with the one stone... women like violent men and you're making yourself more attractive, relatively. i met a blonde dude who was prettier than me not so long ago. he's not so pretty now! ha!
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: ...and well, he wasn't really prettier than me. he just had nice hair.
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7/8/2011 8:11:48 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 7/8/2011 5:23:37 PM, BennyW wrote:
At 7/8/2011 4:35:58 PM, Danielle wrote:
At 7/8/2011 4:00:15 PM, Kinesis wrote:
Plenty of Christians are highly interesting people and great debaters. You and Vi have debated popculture.

Interesting people, sure, and some are even good debaters. However being a good debater doesn't mean that the side you are defending is necessarily correct. Also, just because PCP is among the most articulate Christians doesn't give his arguments any merit. I admit (and I love PCP as a person, btw) that I think he is incredibly overrated. Just because he has actually read theist philosophy and doesn't give the same herp derp but god just HAZZZ to be real arguments, doesn't mean his arguments are actually good or non-ambiguous.

For instance, he defends Thomas Aquinas' "Third Way" argument for God, which simply concludes that a supreme being exists (and not necessarily the concept of God as we know it or what he believes). I should also point out that just because an argument logically follows does not necessarily make it true (it may be valid but not sound). For every valid syllogism in favor of God's existence you can find 10 stating otherwise.

In short, I agree with Carl Sagan that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, for which PCP nor any theist can come remotely close to proving anything. At least science can verify some things whereas religious people rely on manipulated myths passed down verbally. Even if God exists, I haven't seen PCP or anyone come close to defending that the Abrahamic God (and all the tales surrounding that concept) are legitimate. Prove that Jesus literally and physically ascended into the sky. "Oh but like omg like his body was like missing from his grave so like omg he must have risen, amirite?!" Lol, please.

Just because you are the best debtor on this site according to their standards (which I can't figure out how someone with a higher win percentage can end up in a lower percentile).
Also, izbo10 is an atheist and he is a terrible debater.

Izbo10 simply fails to understand the conventions of a debate: in my debate with him, he decided to insult me by accusing me of a "lack of intelligence" and nicknaming me "idiot" and my friend, RetardedArsenal, and so on. He does not understand the poorness of his own resolutions. One of his own recent debates, which centered around a quote that he claimed to show a "lacking of character", can be easily refuted by the fact that even wrong views do not necessarily mean a 'lacking of character', I guess. A troll and, as Double_R showed us, Bozo (Izbo) is an idiot. In fact, he has spawned a name after himself: Izbo. 'Hey, the guy's an Izbo' or '___and so and so is an izbo' in English; or 'Guardate, mio amico, c'e un izbo che sta camminando attraverso la strada' in Italian.

But anyway, the point is, that I agree that 'Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof', especially when the claim appears to break down the very fundamentals of the topic/field it is attacking. One can apply this to religion: their claim of the existence of a creator deity, or multiple gods, has no evidence--in science (unless if you count flood geology or attempts to make evolution correlate with the Bible, both of which are pseudosciences), or in logic (god is beyond logic and human understanding, making logic a bit useless in describing god), and so on. Again, I respect those who do believe in religion, especially on this website--and theological debates do probe at the most important parts of the human condition. The concept of god can be tied with morality (especially objective), and is especially important in determining whether or not everything evolved or was created, and so on. So, even for those who are atheist, and do believe in the religious creed, you must admit that religion is a very interesting topic. For the religious, it is possibly a defense of their own faith. To the atheist, it is a problem/irrationality that ultimately shows how irrational human beings are. And to the agnostic, it is at least an uncertainty.

And to Izbo10, religion is just like a hate crime that ordered thousands to murder babies and homosexuals. Sadly, and I emphasize this, he won't be able to understand or even care for what I wrote above, at least, yet.
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7/8/2011 8:27:03 PM
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@MIG, why are you so obsessed with Izbo? :)

@benny The more wins you have the higher up you are.
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7/8/2011 8:42:26 PM
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At 7/8/2011 8:27:03 PM, phantom wrote:
@MIG, why are you so obsessed with Izbo? :)
Proving fools are fools are so fun, especially when the fool is so foolish in considering himself as a genius.
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7/9/2011 1:21:07 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
Atheist 2,338 \
-------------------> 3,896
Agnostic 1,558 /

____________

Christian 2,337

Christian Amish 16

Christian Anglican 47

Christian Assemblies of God 64

Christian Baptist 697

Christian Catholic 1,278

Christian Church of Christ 166

Christian Episcopalian 36

Christian Greek Orthodox 47

Christian Jehovah's witness 15

Christian Latter Day Saints 241

Christian Lutheran 153

Christian Mennonite 5 (lol)

Christian Methodist 138

Christian Pentecostal 126

Christian Presbyterian 123

Christian Protestant 273

Christian Seventh-Day Adventist 29

TOTAL FOR CHRISTIANS 5,793, I think. When I tried to copy and paste it it went to zero for some reason. I'll check it in the morning
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7/9/2011 1:41:22 AM
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At 7/8/2011 8:27:03 PM, phantom wrote:


@benny The more wins you have the higher up you are.
That is what I figured however it appears to be more complicated than that. I understand why someone who has had only 1 debate and won it, while technically has 100% would not be listed as high as someone who has won all 50 of their debates.
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7/9/2011 2:03:21 AM
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At 7/9/2011 1:41:22 AM, BennyW wrote:
At 7/8/2011 8:27:03 PM, phantom wrote:


@benny The more wins you have the higher up you are.
That is what I figured however it appears to be more complicated than that. I understand why someone who has had only 1 debate and won it, while technically has 100% would not be listed as high as someone who has won all 50 of their debates.

I don't understand what you mean. Someone can have a win ratio of 30%, but if he has enough wins he can be in the 99th percentile. Win ratios have nothing to do with it.

It's actually quite simple.
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7/9/2011 2:36:45 AM
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At 7/8/2011 2:20:30 PM, Danielle wrote:
At 7/8/2011 10:59:34 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
3: Great... so no hope of a decent debate with someone with an opposing view.

It's interesting that you think because there is 1 more listed atheist than Christian that there is no hope for intelligent Christian debates. Personally, I gave up hope of having a decent debate with a theist when I was 15. That's like saying you want to have a decent debate with someone who believes in the Tooth Fairy. Good luck.

It's news to me that we have any Christians at all...
I've always been sympathetic to faith and always willing to give them a chance in the hops that they are right.
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7/9/2011 2:52:42 AM
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At 7/9/2011 2:36:45 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 7/8/2011 2:20:30 PM, Danielle wrote:
At 7/8/2011 10:59:34 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
3: Great... so no hope of a decent debate with someone with an opposing view.

It's interesting that you think because there is 1 more listed atheist than Christian that there is no hope for intelligent Christian debates. Personally, I gave up hope of having a decent debate with a theist when I was 15. That's like saying you want to have a decent debate with someone who believes in the Tooth Fairy. Good luck.

It's news to me that we have any Christians at all...
I've always been sympathetic to faith and always willing to give them a chance in the hops that they are right.

You'll probably end up converting one day then. Every depressed non-believer I've ever known ends up doing that.
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