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GreatestIam
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8/8/2011 9:40:19 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
Who is the epitome of Evil, God or Satan?

Though shalt place no one above me. Satan did not as he followed God's instructions with Job. He was firmly under God's control.

Many have jumped through hoops to make anyone other than God the most evil in existence yet scripture says that God gets the Gold star in all categories. Even as the most evil. After all, he is said to have created the concept of law. The Word. All Goods and Evils. The first divisive tool for social manipulation and control.

God is said to have just about all attributes that man has been able to imagine.
God has been reduced to our wish list. Including the creator of an everlasting hell to entertain our more hateful wishes.

God is still ashamed of what he has wrought as in the days of Noah.
Mythical Noah the is. Even after using genocide to reboot his systems. Strange. Another failure. God, if he were real, seems to have two messages for us.
Do as you are told and do not think too much. Hence faith to drive away logic and reason.

As the epitome of Evil, Satan runs a poor second place to God.
Have we put the blame for creations evils on the created, Satan, when it was God, who, as the epitome of Evil, shirked his duty of taking responsibility for what he as God sowed.
That also would mean that Bishop John Spong was right and God is guilty of child abuse by putting the responsibility for his works on Jesus.

Do as I say and not as I do is God's policy.
I also would argue against his policy or rewarding what he calls rebellion. I E. Giving Satan dominion over mankind and rewarding Cain with a kingdom for murder.
Not a good thing for the law maker to do.
Two stains on his Gold star.

Is God the epitome of evil?
Is that the moral lesson of the flood myth?
What does that say of the literalists who follow Noah's God and think that genocide is good justice?

Regards
DL
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8/8/2011 12:03:57 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
It's almost an irrelevant question. What matters is whether or not God or Satan exist at all. Their respective good or evil natures are immaterial to this.

The God of the old testament is concerned with obedience, he has no moral values.
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8/8/2011 5:26:35 PM
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8/8/2011 5:31:54 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 8/8/2011 12:03:57 PM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
It's almost an irrelevant question. What matters is whether or not God or Satan exist at all. Their respective good or evil natures are immaterial to this.

The God of the old testament is concerned with obedience, he has no moral values.:

Very true, but I find that prefacing the question as if they do, by using the bible itself, points out the absurdity to those trust in its veracity. If you can make clear case using their own text, people then question the validity of the whole thing.

To answer the OP, I don't see any way possible that God could not totally and irrevocably be complicit in the way things are. If any of it is true, God is most assuredly the very author of evil.
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8/8/2011 5:33:26 PM
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8/8/2011 11:43:46 PM
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God in the bible kills 2.5 million numbered, close to 25 million estimated. He endorses rape,slavery, and child sacrifice.

Satan kills at most 10 in the book of job, and not much more. Hmmm lets see God is to satan as hitler is to mother goose, so other words god is the evil one in the bible.
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8/9/2011 7:58:04 AM
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Hmmm lets see God is to satan as hitler is to mother goose:

Okay, okay... I lol'd

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8/9/2011 10:58:15 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 8/8/2011 5:31:54 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
At 8/8/2011 12:03:57 PM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
It's almost an irrelevant question. What matters is whether or not God or Satan exist at all. Their respective good or evil natures are immaterial to this.

The God of the old testament is concerned with obedience, he has no moral values.:

Very true, but I find that prefacing the question as if they do, by using the bible itself, points out the absurdity to those trust in its veracity. If you can make clear case using their own text, people then question the validity of the whole thing.

To answer the OP, I don't see any way possible that God could not totally and irrevocably be complicit in the way things are. If any of it is true, God is most assuredly the very author of evil.

Thanks for understanding why the question is posed and coming up with the right answer.
Hopefully, those who believe in the bible myth will also.

Regards
DL
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8/9/2011 11:01:30 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 8/9/2011 10:58:15 AM, GreatestIam wrote:
At 8/8/2011 5:31:54 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
At 8/8/2011 12:03:57 PM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
It's almost an irrelevant question. What matters is whether or not God or Satan exist at all. Their respective good or evil natures are immaterial to this.

The God of the old testament is concerned with obedience, he has no moral values.:

Very true, but I find that prefacing the question as if they do, by using the bible itself, points out the absurdity to those trust in its veracity. If you can make clear case using their own text, people then question the validity of the whole thing.

To answer the OP, I don't see any way possible that God could not totally and irrevocably be complicit in the way things are. If any of it is true, God is most assuredly the very author of evil.

Thanks for understanding why the question is posed and coming up with the right answer.
Hopefully, those who believe in the bible myth will also.

Regards
DL

GreatestIAm. Youre still part of the very minute crowd of Atheists on planet Earth today. Years have passed and still noone takes your logic or anyones elses in your group seriously. It is not as Black and White as it seems. Youre just another self deprecating, delusional, narrow thinking, obsolete, lacking of common sense Atheist. Nothing more.
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8/9/2011 11:04:34 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 8/8/2011 11:58:25 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Which is more arbitrary, good or evil?

I would say that they are both equally arbitrary.
Ask an S & M person.

Regards
DL
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8/9/2011 11:11:07 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 8/9/2011 11:01:30 AM, inferno wrote:
At 8/9/2011 10:58:15 AM, GreatestIam wrote:
At 8/8/2011 5:31:54 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
At 8/8/2011 12:03:57 PM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
It's almost an irrelevant question. What matters is whether or not God or Satan exist at all. Their respective good or evil natures are immaterial to this.

The God of the old testament is concerned with obedience, he has no moral values.:

Very true, but I find that prefacing the question as if they do, by using the bible itself, points out the absurdity to those trust in its veracity. If you can make clear case using their own text, people then question the validity of the whole thing.

To answer the OP, I don't see any way possible that God could not totally and irrevocably be complicit in the way things are. If any of it is true, God is most assuredly the very author of evil.

Thanks for understanding why the question is posed and coming up with the right answer.
Hopefully, those who believe in the bible myth will also.

Regards
DL

GreatestIAm. Youre still part of the very minute crowd of Atheists on planet Earth today. Years have passed and still noone takes your logic or anyones elses in your group seriously. It is not as Black and White as it seems. Youre just another self deprecating, delusional, narrow thinking, obsolete, lacking of common sense Atheist. Nothing more.

Thanks but I am not an atheist.
I am a religionist who just happens to not follow an evil God.

Strange though that you would attack my common sense when you are the one believing in fantasy, miracles and magic.

You should also hate your own common sense as your founder said -------

Faith must trample under foot all reason, sense, and understanding.
Martin Luther

Reason is a whore, the greatest enemy that faith has.
Martin Luther

You might also question your attitude.

"Whoever imagines himself a favorite with God,
holds other people in contempt.
Whenever a man believes that he has the exact truth from God,
there is in that man no spirit of compromise.
He has not the modesty born of the imperfections of human nature;
he has the arrogance of theological certainty and the tyranny born of ignorant assurance.
Believing himself to be the slave of God,
he imitates his master,
and of all tyrants,
the worst is a slave in power."
--Robert Ingersoll

Regards
DL
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8/9/2011 11:13:56 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 8/9/2011 11:11:07 AM, GreatestIam wrote:
At 8/9/2011 11:01:30 AM, inferno wrote:
At 8/9/2011 10:58:15 AM, GreatestIam wrote:
At 8/8/2011 5:31:54 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
At 8/8/2011 12:03:57 PM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
It's almost an irrelevant question. What matters is whether or not God or Satan exist at all. Their respective good or evil natures are immaterial to this.

The God of the old testament is concerned with obedience, he has no moral values.:

Very true, but I find that prefacing the question as if they do, by using the bible itself, points out the absurdity to those trust in its veracity. If you can make clear case using their own text, people then question the validity of the whole thing.

To answer the OP, I don't see any way possible that God could not totally and irrevocably be complicit in the way things are. If any of it is true, God is most assuredly the very author of evil.

Thanks for understanding why the question is posed and coming up with the right answer.
Hopefully, those who believe in the bible myth will also.

Regards
DL

GreatestIAm. Youre still part of the very minute crowd of Atheists on planet Earth today. Years have passed and still noone takes your logic or anyones elses in your group seriously. It is not as Black and White as it seems. Youre just another self deprecating, delusional, narrow thinking, obsolete, lacking of common sense Atheist. Nothing more.

Thanks but I am not an atheist.
I am a religionist who just happens to not follow an evil God.

Strange though that you would attack my common sense when you are the one believing in fantasy, miracles and magic.

You should also hate your own common sense as your founder said -------

Faith must trample under foot all reason, sense, and understanding.
Martin Luther

Reason is a whore, the greatest enemy that faith has.
Martin Luther

You might also question your attitude.

"Whoever imagines himself a favorite with God,
holds other people in contempt.
Whenever a man believes that he has the exact truth from God,
there is in that man no spirit of compromise.
He has not the modesty born of the imperfections of human nature;
he has the arrogance of theological certainty and the tyranny born of ignorant assurance.
Believing himself to be the slave of God,
he imitates his master,
and of all tyrants,
the worst is a slave in power."
--Robert Ingersoll

Regards
DL

Like I said. Atheist.
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8/9/2011 11:26:39 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 8/9/2011 11:24:41 AM, GreatestIam wrote:
Good reading skills I see.

Regards
DL

You call yourself a religionist. You sound like a bumbling fool. You have no respect for God or yourself. So it only seems fitting to act like one.
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8/9/2011 10:47:32 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 8/9/2011 11:04:34 AM, GreatestIam wrote:
At 8/8/2011 11:58:25 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Which is more arbitrary, good or evil?

I would say that they are both equally arbitrary.
Ask an S & M person.

Regards
DL

Then there is the answer to your question as well.

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8/10/2011 10:16:29 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 8/9/2011 11:26:39 AM, inferno wrote:
At 8/9/2011 11:24:41 AM, GreatestIam wrote:
Good reading skills I see.

Regards
DL

You call yourself a religionist. You sound like a bumbling fool. You have no respect for God or yourself. So it only seems fitting to act like one.

Do you respect Hitler or Stalin?

Why should I give respect to your genocidal God?
Fear?

Regards
DL
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8/10/2011 10:18:21 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 8/9/2011 10:47:32 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 8/9/2011 11:04:34 AM, GreatestIam wrote:
At 8/8/2011 11:58:25 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Which is more arbitrary, good or evil?

I would say that they are both equally arbitrary.
Ask an S & M person.

Regards
DL

Then there is the answer to your question as well.

Regards
The Sage of DDO

Exactly.
Only man can judge if from known facts.

Regards
DL
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8/14/2011 10:00:49 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 8/8/2011 9:40:19 AM, GreatestIam wrote:
Who is the epitome of Evil, God or Satan?

Though shalt place no one above me. Satan did not as he followed God's instructions with Job. He was firmly under God's control.

Many have jumped through hoops to make anyone other than God the most evil in existence yet scripture says that God gets the Gold star in all categories. Even as the most evil. After all, he is said to have created the concept of law. The Word. All Goods and Evils. The first divisive tool for social manipulation and control.



God is said to have just about all attributes that man has been able to imagine.
God has been reduced to our wish list. Including the creator of an everlasting hell to entertain our more hateful wishes.

God is still ashamed of what he has wrought as in the days of Noah.
Mythical Noah the is. Even after using genocide to reboot his systems. Strange. Another failure. God, if he were real, seems to have two messages for us.
Do as you are told and do not think too much. Hence faith to drive away logic and reason.

As the epitome of Evil, Satan runs a poor second place to God.
Have we put the blame for creations evils on the created, Satan, when it was God, who, as the epitome of Evil, shirked his duty of taking responsibility for what he as God sowed.
That also would mean that Bishop John Spong was right and God is guilty of child abuse by putting the responsibility for his works on Jesus.

Do as I say and not as I do is God's policy.
I also would argue against his policy or rewarding what he calls rebellion. I E. Giving Satan dominion over mankind and rewarding Cain with a kingdom for murder.
Not a good thing for the law maker to do.
Two stains on his Gold star.

Is God the epitome of evil?
Is that the moral lesson of the flood myth?
What does that say of the literalists who follow Noah's God and think that genocide is good justice?

Regards
DL

I see you've not yet debated formally.. why not?
The Cross.. the Cross.
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8/14/2011 12:57:21 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 8/14/2011 10:00:49 AM, DATCMOTO wrote:

I see you've not yet debated formally.. why not?

This is the way I like it.

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DL
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8/15/2011 5:39:07 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 8/14/2011 12:57:21 PM, GreatestIam wrote:
At 8/14/2011 10:00:49 AM, DATCMOTO wrote:

I see you've not yet debated formally.. why not?

This is the way I like it.

Regards
DL

So that you can just ignore people can they exceed your limited capabilities, you mean?
The Cross.. the Cross.