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Cerebral_Narcissist
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8/19/2011 2:03:24 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
What is your favourite argument for the existence of God?
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8/19/2011 2:10:02 AM
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God is nature.
God is the connection between all human beings.
God is science.
God is the capacity for human improvement.
God is an alien who has mastered all forms of science.
The list goes on.
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8/19/2011 2:15:33 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 8/19/2011 2:10:02 AM, SuperRobotWars wrote:
God is nature.
God is the connection between all human beings.
God is science.
God is the capacity for human improvement.
God is an alien who has mastered all forms of science.
The list goes on.

I said arguments for God.

As for the second one, I've always liked that as being the definition of the soul, that I don't believe in!
I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.
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8/19/2011 2:53:05 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 8/19/2011 2:15:33 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 8/19/2011 2:10:02 AM, SuperRobotWars wrote:
God is nature.
God is the connection between all human beings.
God is science.
God is the capacity for human improvement.
God is an alien who has mastered all forms of science.
The list goes on.

I said arguments for God.

As for the second one, I've always liked that as being the definition of the soul, that I don't believe in!

And now you know why I have only won 3 out of 13 debates.
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: At 12/6/2011 2:21:41 PM, badger wrote:
: ugly people should beat beautiful people ugly. simple! you'd be killing two birds with the one stone... women like violent men and you're making yourself more attractive, relatively. i met a blonde dude who was prettier than me not so long ago. he's not so pretty now! ha!
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: ...and well, he wasn't really prettier than me. he just had nice hair.
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8/19/2011 8:22:39 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 8/19/2011 2:53:05 AM, SuperRobotWars wrote:
At 8/19/2011 2:15:33 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 8/19/2011 2:10:02 AM, SuperRobotWars wrote:
God is nature.
God is the connection between all human beings.
God is science.
God is the capacity for human improvement.
God is an alien who has mastered all forms of science.
The list goes on.

I said arguments for God.

As for the second one, I've always liked that as being the definition of the soul, that I don't believe in!

And now you know why I have only won 3 out of 13 debates.

and you wonder why I think you are too stupid to vote on my debates.
DDO's marketing strategy has certainly paid off just not sure I agree with the target market: http://tinypic.com...
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8/19/2011 8:57:01 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 8/19/2011 2:03:24 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
What is your favourite argument for the existence of God?:

God gives the bible authority, and the authority of the bible says there is a God. Circular reasoning 101!!!
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8/19/2011 8:59:32 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 8/19/2011 8:57:01 AM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
At 8/19/2011 2:03:24 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
What is your favourite argument for the existence of God?:

God gives the bible authority, and the authority of the bible says there is a God. Circular reasoning 101!!!

I got to love the something can't come from nothing argument. As what did god create everything out of? In christianity that would be nothing. So it disproves their religion and doesn't touch atheism as we can simply say we don't know.
DDO's marketing strategy has certainly paid off just not sure I agree with the target market: http://tinypic.com...
It's amazing to me that you still have yet to grasp the difference between believing something, not believing something, and having no belief at all -JCMT
To respect religion, is to disrespect the Truth!

If this board was a room and you all were the light bulbs, I'm bringing a flashlight.
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8/19/2011 8:59:56 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 8/19/2011 8:22:39 AM, izbo10 wrote:
and you wonder why I think you are too stupid to vote on my debates.

You have an even lower W/L ratio!
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8/19/2011 9:01:02 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 8/19/2011 8:59:56 AM, Kinesis wrote:
At 8/19/2011 8:22:39 AM, izbo10 wrote:
and you wonder why I think you are too stupid to vote on my debates.

You have an even lower W/L ratio!

Yes, and I am proud of that as the average voter on here doesn't know what logic is.
DDO's marketing strategy has certainly paid off just not sure I agree with the target market: http://tinypic.com...
It's amazing to me that you still have yet to grasp the difference between believing something, not believing something, and having no belief at all -JCMT
To respect religion, is to disrespect the Truth!

If this board was a room and you all were the light bulbs, I'm bringing a flashlight.
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8/19/2011 9:09:18 AM
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At 8/19/2011 9:00:47 AM, Kinesis wrote:
The Leibnizian cosmological argument.

Same. Variations of that or thomistic/modal cosmological arguments.
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8/19/2011 10:43:06 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 8/19/2011 2:03:24 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
What is your favourite argument for the existence of God?

I like this one: "I've met Him and know Him personally." That is the sort of evidence used in court and in history - the testimony of witnesses.
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8/19/2011 10:51:22 AM
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At 8/19/2011 10:43:06 AM, VocMusTcrMaloy wrote:
At 8/19/2011 2:03:24 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
What is your favourite argument for the existence of God?

I like this one: "I've met Him and know Him personally." That is the sort of evidence used in court and in history - the testimony of witnesses.

There was one case where a woman claimed that the spirit of David, her guardian angel, the Virgin Mary, Jesus, and God the Father took possession of her hand and helped her write letters. Then there' also the claims that one can see the souls of dead people. Even near death experiences, which often are used to justify the existence of an 'afterlife', might be used to imply the existence of God..
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8/19/2011 12:02:07 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 8/19/2011 8:22:39 AM, izbo10 wrote:
At 8/19/2011 2:53:05 AM, SuperRobotWars wrote:
At 8/19/2011 2:15:33 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 8/19/2011 2:10:02 AM, SuperRobotWars wrote:
God is nature.
God is the connection between all human beings.
God is science.
God is the capacity for human improvement.
God is an alien who has mastered all forms of science.
The list goes on.

I said arguments for God.

As for the second one, I've always liked that as being the definition of the soul, that I don't believe in!

And now you know why I have only won 3 out of 13 debates.


and you wonder why I think you are too stupid to vote on my debates.

From the guy who has won 3 out of 16 debates.
I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.
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8/19/2011 1:34:36 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 8/19/2011 9:01:02 AM, izbo10 wrote:
At 8/19/2011 8:59:56 AM, Kinesis wrote:
At 8/19/2011 8:22:39 AM, izbo10 wrote:
and you wonder why I think you are too stupid to vote on my debates.

You have an even lower W/L ratio!

Yes, and I am proud of that as the average voter on here doesn't know what logic is.

http://www.debate.org...
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8/19/2011 1:38:07 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 8/19/2011 2:03:24 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
What is your favourite argument for the existence of God?

The fact that there is beauty in the world and that we are able to experience it.
You will say that I don't really know you
And it will be true.
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8/19/2011 1:38:57 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 8/19/2011 1:38:07 PM, Indophile wrote:
At 8/19/2011 2:03:24 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
What is your favourite argument for the existence of God?

The fact that there is beauty in the world and that we are able to experience it.

No I am being serious.
I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.
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8/19/2011 1:40:11 PM
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At 8/19/2011 1:38:57 PM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 8/19/2011 1:38:07 PM, Indophile wrote:
At 8/19/2011 2:03:24 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
What is your favourite argument for the existence of God?

The fact that there is beauty in the world and that we are able to experience it.

No I am being serious.

I thought you wanted "my" favorite argument :)
You will say that I don't really know you
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8/19/2011 1:41:53 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 8/19/2011 1:40:11 PM, Indophile wrote:
At 8/19/2011 1:38:57 PM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 8/19/2011 1:38:07 PM, Indophile wrote:
At 8/19/2011 2:03:24 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
What is your favourite argument for the existence of God?

The fact that there is beauty in the world and that we are able to experience it.

No I am being serious.

I thought you wanted "my" favorite argument :)

Hmm... maybe I should have said strongest.
I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.
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8/19/2011 1:42:24 PM
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any version of a presuppositional argument, usually they go way over the layman's head and any rebuttal is so philosophically deep the average job, or person well above the average debate.org user, can't understand the rebuttal.
DDO's marketing strategy has certainly paid off just not sure I agree with the target market: http://tinypic.com...
It's amazing to me that you still have yet to grasp the difference between believing something, not believing something, and having no belief at all -JCMT
To respect religion, is to disrespect the Truth!

If this board was a room and you all were the light bulbs, I'm bringing a flashlight.
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8/19/2011 1:43:30 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 8/19/2011 1:42:24 PM, izbo10 wrote:
any version of a presuppositional argument, usually they go way over the layman's head and any rebuttal is so philosophically deep the average job, or person well above the average debate.org user, can't understand the rebuttal.

Looks like the emperor's got some new clothes.
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8/19/2011 1:44:55 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 8/19/2011 10:43:06 AM, VocMusTcrMaloy wrote:
I like this one: "I've met Him and know Him personally." That is the sort of evidence used in court and in history - the testimony of witnesses.

Do you actually believe you've met God personally? As in, literally been graced with the presence of God and communicated with her? This is a sincere question.
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8/19/2011 1:49:39 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 8/19/2011 1:44:55 PM, Kinesis wrote:
At 8/19/2011 10:43:06 AM, VocMusTcrMaloy wrote:
I like this one: "I've met Him and know Him personally." That is the sort of evidence used in court and in history - the testimony of witnesses.

Do you actually believe you've met God personally? As in, literally been graced with the presence of God and communicated with her? This is a sincere question.

do you have any reason to doubt them?!

you think they're crazy or making stuff up do you? o.O

Ha!, next you're prolly gonna say all those witnesses around roswell don't know an alien when they see one!
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8/19/2011 3:19:43 PM
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The strongest argument, at least for me, is probably the argument for the resurrection of Jesus. I'm willing to take a bit of stick as well in saying maybe the hardest argument to refute (all though it's not persuasive at all) is the ontological argument.
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8/19/2011 5:46:25 PM
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At 8/19/2011 1:42:24 PM, izbo10 wrote:
any version of a presuppositional argument, usually they go way over the layman's head and any rebuttal is so philosophically deep the average job, or person well above the average debate.org user, can't understand the rebuttal.

If any argument is to be given for Christianity, I also have to say Presuppositionalism (Bahnsen variant) is a good classic. It's so inaccessible to most people that empiricists get completely steamrolled in debates.

The other is the Ontological argument. I can't remember exactly how it goes, but it proves God's existence using only the definition of God. It's a delightfully sneaky semantic switch-up.

Most other arguments, especially Aquinas', are mostly pathetic.
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8/19/2011 8:22:14 PM
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At 8/19/2011 2:03:24 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
What is your favourite argument for the existence of God?

you also mentioned "strongest" it is also that...

It is "Personal Revelation"
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8/20/2011 2:25:36 AM
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At 8/19/2011 3:19:43 PM, unitedandy wrote:
The strongest argument, at least for me, is probably the argument for the resurrection of Jesus. I'm willing to take a bit of stick as well in saying maybe the hardest argument to refute (all though it's not persuasive at all) is the ontological argument.

Seriously? The argument from the resurrection of Jesus is next to worthless, the ontological argument is meaningless.
I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.
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8/20/2011 5:22:53 AM
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At 8/20/2011 2:25:36 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 8/19/2011 3:19:43 PM, unitedandy wrote:
The strongest argument, at least for me, is probably the argument for the resurrection of Jesus. I'm willing to take a bit of stick as well in saying maybe the hardest argument to refute (all though it's not persuasive at all) is the ontological argument.

Seriously? The argument from the resurrection of Jesus is next to worthless, the ontological argument is meaningless.

The ontological argument is limited in many, many ways, but take something like Plantinga's and it is hard to find problems in it, even if it is not persuasive at all.

The resurrection argument is better than the other arguments I think because of the evidence to support it is largely supported by historians: the empty tomb, the post-mortem appearances, and so forth. I still think there are criticisms to be had, but it seems to me that the case itself, coupled with a lack viable alternatives narrows the criticisms one could make of the argument. I agree however that I'm probably in a minority of one in thinking this.
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8/20/2011 5:49:09 AM
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At 8/19/2011 2:03:24 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
What is your favourite argument for the existence of God?

He has spoken to me on a number of occasions!
The Cross.. the Cross.