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innomen
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8/21/2011 5:03:53 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
This could have easily gone in the Philosophy forum because it isn't necessarily limited to theology, but also personal philosophy and beliefs in general.

If there is a question that you cannot answer, that you just say "I don't know", does that render your belief system invalid?
DetectableNinja
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8/21/2011 5:06:02 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 8/21/2011 5:03:53 PM, innomen wrote:
This could have easily gone in the Philosophy forum because it isn't necessarily limited to theology, but also personal philosophy and beliefs in general.

If there is a question that you cannot answer, that you just say "I don't know", does that render your belief system invalid?

Absolutely not--because you can't answer a question in no way invalidates a belief.
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8/21/2011 5:14:59 PM
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It depends. If the question is founded upon a property that gives the belief its logical integrity, then if you do not know the answer, the belief is indeed invalid.

ex. I believe that Santa Claus is real and can go around the world in one night.

Question: Is it possible for a living creature to go in every home of the world in one night and drop presnets?

Answer: I don't know.

The belief is illogical, hence invalid.
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8/21/2011 6:12:44 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 8/21/2011 5:03:53 PM, innomen wrote:
This could have easily gone in the Philosophy forum because it isn't necessarily limited to theology, but also personal philosophy and beliefs in general.

If there is a question that you cannot answer, that you just say "I don't know", does that render your belief system invalid?

I think the most solid belief system is one that rewards questions that involve "I don't know". For all questions involve the words "I don't know" and all questions should be embraced and rewarded by your chosen belief system. That's where answers are found and you then "know" one way or the other. If your belief system shuns questions an someone stating that they don't know, then it is definitely a weak belief system in my opinion.
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8/21/2011 6:23:20 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 8/21/2011 5:03:53 PM, innomen wrote:
This could have easily gone in the Philosophy forum because it isn't necessarily limited to theology, but also personal philosophy and beliefs in general.

If there is a question that you cannot answer, that you just say "I don't know", does that render your belief system invalid?

Basically what 000ike said. If Im an anarchist but cannot name a single reason for dismantling the state, my belief is invalid. However if I cannot answer a question like how long would it take to develop an anarchist society exactly, that in no way invalidates the moral impermissibility of compulsory government.
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8/21/2011 9:38:45 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 8/21/2011 5:03:53 PM, innomen wrote:
This could have easily gone in the Philosophy forum because it isn't necessarily limited to theology, but also personal philosophy and beliefs in general.

If there is a question that you cannot answer, that you just say "I don't know", does that render your belief system invalid?

I'm suspicious of any worldview that claims that answer will never come up.

No model/theory is entirely complete orit wouldn't be a model; it'd be the thing it was modeling.
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8/21/2011 10:00:44 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
It all depends on the question.
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8/21/2011 10:55:42 PM
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I'd say the opposite. Saying you don't know is the most honest answer.

In fact, most of humanities problems come from people who still think they know, when actually the don't.

If everyone had an understanding of their own epistemological limitations, belief in absurdities would dramatically decrease. This I know for sure, I think.
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8/21/2011 10:57:55 PM
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At 8/21/2011 5:03:53 PM, innomen wrote:
If there is a question that you cannot answer, that you just say "I don't know", does that render your belief system invalid?

No, because there is a difference between knowledge and belief. For instance, I am an agnostic atheist. It is possible to be both because they represent two different aspects of epistemology. I don't know if God exists, but I don't believe God exists. Similarly, someone might be an agnostic theist and claim to not know if God exists, but believe She does.

Of course if we define knowledge as justified true beliefs, then it wouldn't make much sense in most cases to believe something or have a belief system based on things you cannot really know. (INB4 we can't really know anything.)
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8/21/2011 11:59:27 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 8/21/2011 5:03:53 PM, innomen wrote:
This could have easily gone in the Philosophy forum because it isn't necessarily limited to theology, but also personal philosophy and beliefs in general.

If there is a question that you cannot answer, that you just say "I don't know", does that render your belief system invalid?

I say no. I don't know where I stand on women pastors. That doesn't render Christianity invalid, it simply means that I haven't studied the subject enough to have formed an opinion on it.
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8/22/2011 5:15:11 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 8/21/2011 5:03:53 PM, innomen wrote:
This could have easily gone in the Philosophy forum because it isn't necessarily limited to theology, but also personal philosophy and beliefs in general.

If there is a question that you cannot answer, that you just say "I don't know", does that render your belief system invalid?

Origin of the universe/first cause. But then no one can answer that so if it renders my beliefs invalid it does so to everyone.
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8/22/2011 6:41:06 AM
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At 8/21/2011 5:03:53 PM, innomen wrote:
This could have easily gone in the Philosophy forum because it isn't necessarily limited to theology, but also personal philosophy and beliefs in general.

If there is a question that you cannot answer, that you just say "I don't know", does that render your belief system invalid?

No, because I am in a relationship with a teacher (The Teacher in fact) and must learn 'precept upon precept'.. if anyone 'knew all' they would be God.
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