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9/9/2011 8:12:14 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
A pretty dramatic video regarding WLC's upcoming UK tour. In all seriousness though, it's pretty dreadful that people like Dawkins and Grayling just point-blank refuse to defend their views, especially given the kind of rhetoric Dawkins in particular uses to describe religion and belief in God.

On the plus side, I'm glad Stephen Law will be one of the debaters taking on Craig. I still don't expect him to win the debate, but it should be interesting all the same.
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9/9/2011 8:15:06 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/9/2011 8:12:14 PM, unitedandy wrote:


A pretty dramatic video regarding WLC's upcoming UK tour. In all seriousness though, it's pretty dreadful that people like Dawkins and Grayling just point-blank refuse to defend their views, especially given the kind of rhetoric Dawkins in particular uses to describe religion and belief in God.

On the plus side, I'm glad Stephen Law will be one of the debaters taking on Craig. I still don't expect him to win the debate, but it should be interesting all the same.

Craig is a con man, debates have time limits he runs though 5 arguments long since refuted, but impossible to refute adequately within the constraints of a timed debate. Either Craig missed the class on fallacies at his University or he is incredibly intellectually dishonest.
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9/10/2011 1:22:54 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/9/2011 8:12:14 PM, unitedandy wrote:

A pretty dramatic video regarding WLC's upcoming UK tour. In all seriousness though, it's pretty dreadful that people like Dawkins and Grayling just point-blank refuse to defend their views, especially given the kind of rhetoric Dawkins in particular uses to describe religion and belief in God.

Dawkins does not refuse to defend his views, he writes books defending his views. He just refuses to debate with the Izbo and DATCMOTOs of the world because he does not believe they are capable.
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9/10/2011 4:19:03 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/9/2011 8:12:14 PM, unitedandy wrote:

A pretty dramatic video regarding WLC's upcoming UK tour. In all seriousness though, it's pretty dreadful that people like Dawkins and Grayling just point-blank refuse to defend their views, especially given the kind of rhetoric Dawkins in particular uses to describe religion and belief in God.

On the plus side, I'm glad Stephen Law will be one of the debaters taking on Craig. I still don't expect him to win the debate, but it should be interesting all the same.

If Craig ever dropped by DDO, I'd be the first in line to debate him. I know for a fact that I could do better than many of the people he debates, which is odd considering most of them have PhDs. It's like they didn't even take the time to study his arguments before they get into the debate.

He's been using the same arguments for 20 years! Seriously, it's not hard to do research and compile the best list of objections on offer. It's not like he's springing a trap on anyone.
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9/10/2011 7:55:24 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/10/2011 1:22:54 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 9/9/2011 8:12:14 PM, unitedandy wrote:

A pretty dramatic video regarding WLC's upcoming UK tour. In all seriousness though, it's pretty dreadful that people like Dawkins and Grayling just point-blank refuse to defend their views, especially given the kind of rhetoric Dawkins in particular uses to describe religion and belief in God.

Dawkins does not refuse to defend his views, he writes books defending his views. He just refuses to debate with the Izbo and DATCMOTOs of the world because he does not believe they are capable.

The problem with this is its just not true. Dawkins has been happy to talk with folks like Wendy Wright, Ted Haggard and so on, so he clearly engages in this stuff when it suits him. Furthermore, he hasn't even replied to the criticisms Craig, Plantinga and others have made in print, either regarding their criticisms of his own work, or regarding their arguments for the existence of God, as far as I know. In other words, he's just not someone we can take seriously at this point.

Also, with WLC, one can vehemently disagree with pretty much everything he says (which I do), but to say he's not serious is crazy. He's wrote loads of peer-reviewed articles on various issues concerning God's existence, he has written books on things like the nature of time,on the defence of kalam, and has written a score of books on philosophy, and has been described by atheists and theists alike as the world's foremost defender of Christian theism. Continually refusing to debate him on such spurious grounds just seems like a concession that Dawkins could not defend his position against WLC.