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000ike
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9/13/2011 8:21:00 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
J'attend Izbo de repondre d'abord.
"A stupid despot may constrain his slaves with iron chains; but a true politician binds them even more strongly with the chain of their own ideas" - Michel Foucault
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9/13/2011 8:28:18 PM
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At 9/13/2011 8:21:00 PM, 000ike wrote:
J'attend Izbo de repondre d'abord.

My french grandmother died in 2006 and I speak Latin.
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9/13/2011 8:32:31 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/13/2011 8:21:00 PM, 000ike wrote:
J'attend Izbo de repondre d'abord.
Non parli nella lingua francese, per favore.

Inoltre, rispondero alla posta: penso che, una altra argomenta per il cristanesimo e sulla presenza di una vita nell' aldila (la esperanza vicina il tempo del morte) o la argomenta ontologica.
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9/13/2011 8:37:23 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/13/2011 8:32:31 PM, Man-is-good wrote:
At 9/13/2011 8:21:00 PM, 000ike wrote:
J'attend Izbo de repondre d'abord.
Non parli nella lingua francese, per favore.

Inoltre, rispondero alla posta: penso che, una altra argomenta per il cristanesimo e sulla presenza di una vita nell' aldila (la esperanza vicina il tempo del morte) o la argomenta ontologica.

Ne parlent pas en italien. Le français est le meilleur.
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9/13/2011 8:41:50 PM
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I don't get why this thread is being derailed?
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9/13/2011 8:43:34 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/13/2011 8:32:31 PM, Man-is-good wrote:
At 9/13/2011 8:21:00 PM, 000ike wrote:
J'attend Izbo de repondre d'abord.
Non parli nella lingua francese, per favore.

Inoltre, rispondero alla posta: penso che, una altra argomenta per il cristanesimo e sulla presenza di una vita nell' aldila (la esperanza vicina il tempo del morte) o la argomenta ontologica.

La abbreviata argomenta ontologica di Kalam e:
1. Qualunqe che incomincia per esistere ha una causa.
2. L'universa ha un inizio della sua esistenza.

Dunque,
3. L' universa ha una causa della sua esistenza, E
4. Se l' universa h una causa della sua esistenza, dunque il Dio esiste.
Dunque,
5. Il Dio esiste.
"Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto." --Terence

"I believe that the mind can be permanently profaned by the habit of attending to trivial things, so that all our thoughts shall be tinged with triviality."--Thoreau
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9/13/2011 8:45:48 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/13/2011 8:41:50 PM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
I don't get why this thread is being derailed?

parce que ses sujets amusants et religieuses sont ennuyeuses
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9/13/2011 8:47:26 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/13/2011 8:43:34 PM, Man-is-good wrote:
At 9/13/2011 8:32:31 PM, Man-is-good wrote:
At 9/13/2011 8:21:00 PM, 000ike wrote:
J'attend Izbo de repondre d'abord.
Non parli nella lingua francese, per favore.

Inoltre, rispondero alla posta: penso che, una altra argomenta per il cristanesimo e sulla presenza di una vita nell' aldila (la esperanza vicina il tempo del morte) o la argomenta ontologica.

La abbreviata argomenta ontologica di Kalam e:
1. Qualunqe che incomincia per esistere ha una causa.
2. L'universa ha un inizio della sua esistenza.

Dunque,
3. L' universa ha una causa della sua esistenza, E
4. Se l' universa h una causa della sua esistenza, dunque il Dio esiste.
Dunque,
5. Il Dio esiste.

Translation:
In addition, I will respond to the [opening] post...: I think that, another argument for Christianity is that of the presence of an afterlife [as inferred from the near death experience] or the ontological argument...

(Note: This argument is very popular in proving God's existence)

The abbreivated Kalam Ontological Argument:
1. Whatever which begins to exist has a cause.
2. The universe has a beginning of its existence.

Therefore,
3. The universe has a cause of its existence. (As inferred from premise 2)
4. If the universe has a cause of its existence (3), then God is the [or that] cause.
[Finally],
God exists.

This basically proves the existence of God, and can be used for support of the argument of Christianity.
"Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto." --Terence

"I believe that the mind can be permanently profaned by the habit of attending to trivial things, so that all our thoughts shall be tinged with triviality."--Thoreau
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9/13/2011 8:47:39 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/13/2011 8:43:34 PM, Man-is-good wrote:
At 9/13/2011 8:32:31 PM, Man-is-good wrote:
At 9/13/2011 8:21:00 PM, 000ike wrote:
J'attend Izbo de repondre d'abord.
Non parli nella lingua francese, per favore.

Inoltre, rispondero alla posta: penso che, una altra argomenta per il cristanesimo e sulla presenza di una vita nell' aldila (la esperanza vicina il tempo del morte) o la argomenta ontologica.

La abbreviata argomenta ontologica di Kalam e:
1. Qualunqe che incomincia per esistere ha una causa.
2. L'universa ha un inizio della sua esistenza.

Dunque,
3. L' universa ha una causa della sua esistenza, E
4. Se l' universa h una causa della sua esistenza, dunque il Dio esiste.
Dunque,
5. Il Dio esiste.

That's an argument for a God, not for the Christian God.
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9/13/2011 8:47:52 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
000ike, are you competing with Izbo to see who can troll and derail threads better?
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9/13/2011 8:48:49 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/13/2011 8:47:39 PM, Jon1 wrote:
At 9/13/2011 8:43:34 PM, Man-is-good wrote:
At 9/13/2011 8:32:31 PM, Man-is-good wrote:
At 9/13/2011 8:21:00 PM, 000ike wrote:
J'attend Izbo de repondre d'abord.
Non parli nella lingua francese, per favore.

Inoltre, rispondero alla posta: penso che, una altra argomenta per il cristanesimo e sulla presenza di una vita nell' aldila (la esperanza vicina il tempo del morte) o la argomenta ontologica.

La abbreviata argomenta ontologica di Kalam e:
1. Qualunqe che incomincia per esistere ha una causa.
2. L'universa ha un inizio della sua esistenza.

Dunque,
3. L' universa ha una causa della sua esistenza, E
4. Se l' universa h una causa della sua esistenza, dunque il Dio esiste.
Dunque,
5. Il Dio esiste.

That's an argument for a God, not for the Christian God.
I've seen it been used by Christians, so technically it can apply to the Christian god...
"Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto." --Terence

"I believe that the mind can be permanently profaned by the habit of attending to trivial things, so that all our thoughts shall be tinged with triviality."--Thoreau
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9/13/2011 8:49:15 PM
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At 9/13/2011 8:16:19 PM, Jon1 wrote:
Besides the argument from resurrection, do Christians have anything else?

There are usually arguments from prophecy which are usually based on either poor understanding of the actual old testament prophecy or the new testament author writing the prophecy to be fulfilled. Such instances are clearly shown in Matthew and Luke when they take a passage from Isiah and claim it was about Jesus. Two problems here, one the old testament said young woman, not virgin. Second problem the verse referred to Isiahs second son, not someone to be born 2000 years later, who was named Jesus not Immanuel. Or where Jesus rides into Jerusalem on a Colt or a donkey, which is based off of 2 different understandings of the same old testament passage.
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9/13/2011 8:52:50 PM
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More relevant to this could be the argument of intelligent design used to support the act of creation...Other teological arguments include: Aquina's five logical arguments for the existence of God in the Summa Theologica, the watchmaker analogy, and so on...
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9/13/2011 8:54:10 PM
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At 9/13/2011 8:52:50 PM, Man-is-good wrote:
More relevant to this could be the argument of intelligent design used to support the act of creation...Other teological arguments include: Aquina's five logical arguments for the existence of God in the Summa Theologica, the watchmaker analogy, and so on...

Those don't prove a christian god, but merely attempt to prove a creator god.
DDO's marketing strategy has certainly paid off just not sure I agree with the target market: http://tinypic.com...
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9/13/2011 8:55:49 PM
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At 9/13/2011 8:54:10 PM, izbo10 wrote:
At 9/13/2011 8:52:50 PM, Man-is-good wrote:
More relevant to this could be the argument of intelligent design used to support the act of creation...Other teological arguments include: Aquina's five logical arguments for the existence of God in the Summa Theologica, the watchmaker analogy, and so on...

Those don't prove a christian god, but merely attempt to prove a creator god.

Those are teological arguments that help prove the existence of god (possibly a creator god, as seen in the watchmaker analogy), but I am not sure if that extends to the Christian god himself...
"Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto." --Terence

"I believe that the mind can be permanently profaned by the habit of attending to trivial things, so that all our thoughts shall be tinged with triviality."--Thoreau
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9/13/2011 8:58:12 PM
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At 9/13/2011 8:55:49 PM, Man-is-good wrote:
At 9/13/2011 8:54:10 PM, izbo10 wrote:
At 9/13/2011 8:52:50 PM, Man-is-good wrote:
More relevant to this could be the argument of intelligent design used to support the act of creation...Other teological arguments include: Aquina's five logical arguments for the existence of God in the Summa Theologica, the watchmaker analogy, and so on...

Those don't prove a christian god, but merely attempt to prove a creator god.

Those are teological arguments that help prove the existence of god (possibly a creator god, as seen in the watchmaker analogy), but I am not sure if that extends to the Christian god himself...

Well I think the point the original poster was making is what arguments do christians have for their god, not just a generic creator god. The original poster could correct me if I am misinterpreting his question.
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9/13/2011 9:01:27 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/13/2011 8:58:12 PM, izbo10 wrote:
At 9/13/2011 8:55:49 PM, Man-is-good wrote:
At 9/13/2011 8:54:10 PM, izbo10 wrote:
At 9/13/2011 8:52:50 PM, Man-is-good wrote:
More relevant to this could be the argument of intelligent design used to support the act of creation...Other teological arguments include: Aquina's five logical arguments for the existence of God in the Summa Theologica, the watchmaker analogy, and so on...

Those don't prove a christian god, but merely attempt to prove a creator god.

Those are teological arguments that help prove the existence of god (possibly a creator god, as seen in the watchmaker analogy), but I am not sure if that extends to the Christian god himself...

Well I think the point the original poster was making is what arguments do christians have for their god, not just a generic creator god. The original poster could correct me if I am misinterpreting his question.

He was, but many arguments used by Christians can apply to other creator/personal gods...and to other purposes...General arguments can include: showing Jesus as the Messiah (as the second post stated), showing specific incidents in the Bible (the flood, creation, and so on) happened, affirming their God's existence through teological arguments, and so on.
"Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto." --Terence

"I believe that the mind can be permanently profaned by the habit of attending to trivial things, so that all our thoughts shall be tinged with triviality."--Thoreau
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9/13/2011 10:02:39 PM
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I refer everybody on this thread to "The Case for Christ". It's even been made into a movie now and is on netflix. All the evidence you would need right there.
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9/13/2011 10:30:58 PM
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At 9/13/2011 10:02:39 PM, Crede wrote:
I refer everybody on this thread to "The Case for Christ". It's even been made into a movie now and is on netflix. All the evidence you would need right there.

strobel lol, he lobs softball questions then accepts the first answer. The questions he asks are the clarification questions atheists ask to attack the actual position, then he accepts the actual position. His books only look good to those who believe.
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9/13/2011 11:08:34 PM
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At 9/13/2011 8:16:19 PM, Jon1 wrote:
Besides the argument from resurrection, do Christians have anything else?

To be blunt, even that is a very bad argument.

I've never seen an argument that makes it even remotely reasonable to accept orthodox Christianity as being accurate or even plausible.
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9/13/2011 11:10:26 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/13/2011 11:08:34 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
At 9/13/2011 8:16:19 PM, Jon1 wrote:
Besides the argument from resurrection, do Christians have anything else?

To be blunt, even that is a very bad argument.

I've never seen an argument that makes it even remotely reasonable to accept orthodox Christianity as being accurate or even plausible.

Hey to give them credit its one of the few times that they actually understand that their argument must end in the existence of their god, not some arbitrary creator god.
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9/14/2011 1:11:53 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/13/2011 11:08:34 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
At 9/13/2011 8:16:19 PM, Jon1 wrote:
Besides the argument from resurrection, do Christians have anything else?

To be blunt, even that is a very bad argument.

I've never seen an argument that makes it even remotely reasonable to accept orthodox Christianity as being accurate or even plausible.

The problem here is not the quality (which we can argue about forever, no exaggeration) but the quantity. Quality and Quantity is necessary for a justified belief of this magnitude.
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9/17/2011 5:40:47 AM
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At 9/13/2011 8:16:19 PM, Jon1 wrote:
Besides the argument from resurrection, do Christians have anything else?

Relationship by revelation; I believe in Jesus because He has spoken to me.
The Cross.. the Cross.