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10/6/2011 1:53:30 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
how can you deny the thought of evolution? You have to blatantly ignore fact to do so.
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10/6/2011 2:07:54 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/6/2011 1:53:30 PM, lotus_flower wrote:
how can you deny the thought of evolution? You have to blatantly ignore fact to do so.

the title of this thread is an oxymoron.
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10/6/2011 2:09:16 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/6/2011 2:07:54 PM, izbo10 wrote:
At 10/6/2011 1:53:30 PM, lotus_flower wrote:
how can you deny the thought of evolution? You have to blatantly ignore fact to do so.


the title of this thread is an oxymoron.

haha, that would be why I put it in quotes.
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10/6/2011 4:21:15 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
I'm not sure why there are quotes around intelligent. There are some intelligent creationists out there.
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10/6/2011 4:33:45 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/6/2011 4:21:15 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
I'm not sure why there are quotes around intelligent. There are some intelligent creationists out there.

It's because this is an attack thread. Rather than engaging it actual debate, the thread is starting right off the bat at attacking and insulting creationists. That causes creationists to dismiss these kinds of threads, which only leaves the creators of the thread talking to themselves, thinking that there is no one that disagrees with them.
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10/6/2011 4:45:33 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/6/2011 4:21:15 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
I'm not sure why there are quotes around intelligent. There are some intelligent creationists out there.

It is amazingly how they become selectively stupid isn't it?
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10/6/2011 5:19:38 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/6/2011 2:09:16 PM, lotus_flower wrote:
At 10/6/2011 2:07:54 PM, izbo10 wrote:
At 10/6/2011 1:53:30 PM, lotus_flower wrote:
how can you deny the thought of evolution? You have to blatantly ignore fact to do so.


the title of this thread is an oxymoron.

haha, that would be why I put it in quotes.

I know several mechanical engineers who are creationists. Same with a PhD physicist.

Are they morons?
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10/6/2011 5:30:15 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
I am also a physicist and working towards a high school teaching post baccalaureate.
I also hold a BA in Theology.

I am a creationist.

Do you mind listing your qualficiations that allows you the determine the mental capacity of a creationist?
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10/6/2011 6:10:52 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/6/2011 5:30:15 PM, Gileandos wrote:
I am also a physicist and working towards a high school teaching post baccalaureate.
I also hold a BA in Theology.

I am a creationist.

Do you mind listing your qualficiations that allows you the determine the mental capacity of a creationist?

lol, yeah ok and Im a chinese fighter pilot.
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10/6/2011 6:13:15 PM
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What is the fundamental belief of a creationist?

After answering this, what about it intrinsically contradicts evolution?

I'd imagine that there are creationists who see evolution as being a part of the creation process.
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10/6/2011 6:16:11 PM
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At 10/6/2011 6:13:15 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
What is the fundamental belief of a creationist?

After answering this, what about it intrinsically contradicts evolution?

I'd imagine that there are creationists who see evolution as being a part of the creation process.

Its not evolution that is the problem for some creationists, its the evolution by natural selection part that is the problem. Even that is not a problem if you assume the creator didn't have any specific creatures in mind and just created a universe.
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10/6/2011 6:24:28 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
I don't understand why chaos can't be considered part of the "hand of god".

Maybe God is just so awesome that all it has to do is lay down some laws, and then let everything run it's course until it is as complex is the current universe.

To me, that's more impressive than being some kid who plays spore.
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10/6/2011 6:27:56 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/6/2011 6:24:28 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
I don't understand why chaos can't be considered part of the "hand of god".

Maybe God is just so awesome that all it has to do is lay down some laws, and then let everything run it's course until it is as complex is the current universe.

To me, that's more impressive than being some kid who plays spore.

Hence Deism.
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10/6/2011 6:41:50 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/6/2011 6:27:56 PM, Crede wrote:
At 10/6/2011 6:24:28 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
I don't understand why chaos can't be considered part of the "hand of god".

Maybe God is just so awesome that all it has to do is lay down some laws, and then let everything run it's course until it is as complex is the current universe.

To me, that's more impressive than being some kid who plays spore.

Hence Deism.

It could be a few things yeah, but deism is definitely one of them.
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10/6/2011 9:38:47 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/6/2011 6:10:52 PM, izbo10 wrote:
At 10/6/2011 5:30:15 PM, Gileandos wrote:
I am also a physicist and working towards a high school teaching post baccalaureate.
I also hold a BA in Theology.

I am a creationist.

Do you mind listing your qualficiations that allows you the determine the mental capacity of a creationist?

lol, yeah ok and Im a chinese fighter pilot.

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10/6/2011 11:53:02 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/6/2011 4:45:33 PM, izbo10 wrote:
At 10/6/2011 4:21:15 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
I'm not sure why there are quotes around intelligent. There are some intelligent creationists out there.

It is amazingly how they become selectively stupid isn't it?

Its amazing how your indiscriminately stupid
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10/7/2011 12:15:09 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/6/2011 1:53:30 PM, lotus_flower wrote:
how can you deny the thought of evolution? You have to blatantly ignore fact to do so.

You do understand there is a significant difference between YEC and other creationism, right?

Now, I happen to agree that YEC is stupid. However, any Theist is a creationist. I can guarantee you that there are perhaps millions of 'creationists' on this planet who are more intelligent than you.

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10/7/2011 12:44:37 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/7/2011 12:15:09 AM, tvellalott wrote:
At 10/6/2011 1:53:30 PM, lotus_flower wrote:
how can you deny the thought of evolution? You have to blatantly ignore fact to do so.

You do understand there is a significant difference between YEC and other creationism, right?

Now, I happen to agree that YEC is stupid. However, any Theist is a creationist. I can guarantee you that there are perhaps millions of 'creationists' on this planet who are more intelligent than you.

kthxbai.
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10/7/2011 1:52:11 AM
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At 10/7/2011 12:15:09 AM, tvellalott wrote:
At 10/6/2011 1:53:30 PM, lotus_flower wrote:
how can you deny the thought of evolution? You have to blatantly ignore fact to do so.

You do understand there is a significant difference between YEC and other creationism, right?

Now, I happen to agree that YEC is stupid. However, any Theist is a creationist. I can guarantee you that there are perhaps millions of 'creationists' on this planet who are more intelligent than you.

kthxbai.

The Bible says that man was created as a special being in the image of God, as opposed to the evolutionary view that holds man is just another animal in the evolutionary process - which probably started by random chance. Evolution is a philosophy based on naturalism and materialism. Naturalism holds that nature is all there is and that the universe is self-sufficient without a supernatural cause or control of the world. Materialism regards matter as the original cause of all — that matter did its own creating. Materialism denies the existence of the soul. The philosophical assumption of evolution is therefore essentially atheistic or agnostic, thus seemingly incompatible with special creation and the other miracles of the Bible.

With evolution, if God exists, He is so distant as to be irrelevant. The Bible teaches that God created man by fiat (supernatural power) - not by natural processes as evolution suggests. Evolution also seems to imply that survival/perpetuation is the 'meaning' of life, as opposed to human beings having an alternate special purpose. Since evolution offers no real purpose for life, it results in an absence of meaning, and therefore an absence of objective moral values. This is clearly in conflict with the Bible. Evolution also seems to deny that man even has a sinful nature or that we should be faulted for our human nature because "that is just our nature." Thus evolution is inconsistent with the Christian belief that man is indeed fallen and in need of a savior.

Sure, apologetics can try and reconcile these things (because they know that not accepting evolution is just DUMB), but that doesn't make their connections significant enough to be taken seriously. They're trying to relate apples and oranges to make their side appear more credible. It's easy to say "Oh that's not what the Bible really meant here... Sure, the Bible is to be taken literally here but not here." How convenient :)
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10/7/2011 2:31:34 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/6/2011 5:30:15 PM, Gileandos wrote:
I am also a physicist and working towards a high school teaching post baccalaureate.
I also hold a BA in Theology.

I am a creationist.

Do you mind listing your qualficiations that allows you the determine the mental capacity of a creationist?

You are not a physicist. Don't get me wrong you are intelligent, but you have no scientific qualifications or inclinations.
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10/7/2011 6:53:59 AM
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it is because creationism is sort of ridiculous, but I put it in quotes because intelligence is relative. I am sorry if it offended anyone. (:
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10/7/2011 9:51:22 AM
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At 10/6/2011 1:53:30 PM, lotus_flower wrote:
how can you deny the thought of evolution? You have to blatantly ignore fact to do so.

? . . . i believe people think about evolution all the time .. . also, I firmly agree that creatures evolve (after all Noah only brought two creatures on board the arc of each type, now look at them all!)

but, how can you deny the though of creationism . .. im pretty sure i think about it all the time.
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10/7/2011 11:05:23 AM
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At 10/7/2011 9:51:22 AM, gr33k_fr33k5 wrote:
At 10/6/2011 1:53:30 PM, lotus_flower wrote:
how can you deny the thought of evolution? You have to blatantly ignore fact to do so.

? . . . i believe people think about evolution all the time .. . also, I firmly agree that creatures evolve (after all Noah only brought two creatures on board the arc of each type, now look at them all!)

but, how can you deny the though of creationism . .. im pretty sure i think about it all the time.
well, through the overwhelming proof of evolution, I can safely deny the thought of creationism.
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10/7/2011 2:36:39 PM
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At 10/7/2011 1:52:11 AM, Danielle wrote:
At 10/7/2011 12:15:09 AM, tvellalott wrote:
At 10/6/2011 1:53:30 PM, lotus_flower wrote:
how can you deny the thought of evolution? You have to blatantly ignore fact to do so.

You do understand there is a significant difference between YEC and other creationism, right?

Now, I happen to agree that YEC is stupid. However, any Theist is a creationist. I can guarantee you that there are perhaps millions of 'creationists' on this planet who are more intelligent than you.

kthxbai.

The Bible says that man was created as a special being in the image of God, as opposed to the evolutionary view that holds man is just another animal in the evolutionary process - which probably started by random chance. Evolution is a philosophy based on naturalism and materialism. Naturalism holds that nature is all there is and that the universe is self-sufficient without a supernatural cause or control of the world. Materialism regards matter as the original cause of all — that matter did its own creating. Materialism denies the existence of the soul. The philosophical assumption of evolution is therefore essentially atheistic or agnostic, thus seemingly incompatible with special creation and the other miracles of the Bible.

With evolution, if God exists, He is so distant as to be irrelevant. The Bible teaches that God created man by fiat (supernatural power) - not by natural processes as evolution suggests. Evolution also seems to imply that survival/perpetuation is the 'meaning' of life, as opposed to human beings having an alternate special purpose. Since evolution offers no real purpose for life, it results in an absence of meaning, and therefore an absence of objective moral values. This is clearly in conflict with the Bible. Evolution also seems to deny that man even has a sinful nature or that we should be faulted for our human nature because "that is just our nature." Thus evolution is inconsistent with the Christian belief that man is indeed fallen and in need of a savior.

Sure, apologetics can try and reconcile these things (because they know that not accepting evolution is just DUMB), but that doesn't make their connections significant enough to be taken seriously. They're trying to relate apples and oranges to make their side appear more credible. It's easy to say "Oh that's not what the Bible really meant here... Sure, the Bible is to be taken literally here but not here." How convenient :)

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