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Is Man Naturally Materialistic???

josh_42
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10/19/2008 6:08:56 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
I am writing a speech on materialism, and i was wondering what are your views.
Does man naturally tend to be materialistic?

(Materialistic as in: focused only on material gain)
scissorhands7
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10/19/2008 6:21:52 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
Of course man is naturally materialistic. Look at our form of economics, capitalism. It relies upon materialism to work.
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10/19/2008 6:38:00 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
Well, forms of Buddhism preach non-materialism. For the most part, materialism and survival are intertwined. Man is the only animal to have the luxury of not being materialistic, but really, what good does it serve to go against that instinct?

A man can refrain from sexual activity, become a vegetarian, do all sorts of restrictive things. In the end, none of it matters in the smallest way, so why do it o.O?
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10/19/2008 6:52:42 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
not all our instinctual behavior is good though: Hate, jealousy, revenge, murder,rape.
the must be controlled for the good of society.

my question is, can man control his instincts? Do you think man if man controls his instincts of materialism, can it be for good?
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10/19/2008 7:09:02 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
Yes, man can definetly control his instincts. All of the examples Kleptin gave are good ones on retraining natural instinct.
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10/19/2008 8:00:32 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 10/19/2008 6:52:42 PM, josh_42 wrote:
not all our instinctual behavior is good though: Hate, jealousy, revenge, murder,rape.
the must be controlled for the good of society.

my question is, can man control his instincts? Do you think man if man controls his instincts of materialism, can it be for good?

No instinctive behavior is good or evil. When you're talking about instinctive behavior, it's no longer an issue of morality. Yes, Hate, jealousy, revenge, murder, rape, these things need to be controlled in order for a society to exist, but there's nothing inherently wrong with any of them.

Hate, jealousy, murder, revenge, these things are easy to explain. Harming those that harm you, or just harming others in general is the only way for animals to assert themselves in terms of dominance, or to fight for mates. it's nature at work. Similarly, rape is natural as well. It is a mechanism that ensures that the strongest males can fertilize the most females, regardless of their consent.

The thing is, Humans are instinctively social. The instinct to form a social group just clashes with the natural instincts above. It's not about saying that some instincts are bad for society, therefore, they are evil. Instincts just clash, and that's it.
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It isn't about finding a theory, philosophy or doctrine and thinking it's the answer, but a practical application of one's experiences that is the answer.

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10/19/2008 11:20:49 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
It is near impossible to prove that materialism is inherent in mankind.
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10/20/2008 1:13:03 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 10/19/2008 11:20:49 PM, Rezzealaux wrote:
It is near impossible to prove that materialism is inherent in mankind.
Oh?
I think it could be proven quite easily, if we accept a few non-controversial statements.

1. Humans instinctively seek out pleasure [positive feelings] and avoid pain [negative feelings].
2. Most material possessions fulfill some want or need, causing pleasure or helping people avoid pain. [ex. I want to be able to travel long distances, so getting a car fulfills a want, so getting one makes me happy].
This tends to be true because most material goods are specifically made to fulfill a need or want.

3. From premises 1 and 2, materialism is inherent in humans.

Of course, there's some semantics arguments against that. What do we mean by inherent? Would a few exceptions disprove this, or are they just abnormal? etc.
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10/20/2008 1:22:00 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
I of course must add that the current culture of consumerism that plagues the world, but our country especially, does not help. It encourages *extreme* materialism, and it all feeds off of the instinct we call greed.
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11/24/2008 8:38:27 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
of course! It's instinctual. We're all inventors- that's how some people even define us as seperate from the animal kingdom (idiots)- so we need materials. We need materials to be stable emotionally. So actually, it's all about emotional stability. Wow, what a conundrum! Anyway, we're also totally obsessed with status, and status is easily defined by materials.
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11/24/2008 9:57:19 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 10/20/2008 1:22:00 AM, brittwaller wrote:
I of course must add that the current culture of consumerism that plagues the world, but our country especially, does not help. It encourages *extreme* materialism, and it all feeds off of the instinct we call greed.

Greed is a good thing. If you do not want, you will not get.
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12/11/2008 2:56:38 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 10/19/2008 6:08:56 PM, josh_42 wrote:
I am writing a speech on materialism, and i was wondering what are your views.
Does man naturally tend to be materialistic?

(Materialistic as in: focused only on material gain)

Being brought up in modern society where man tends to be materialistic would beg the question of whether or not man is naturally materialistic. But man is not naturally materialistic, it is the influence of the environment that makes him materialistic.
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12/11/2008 7:13:31 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 12/11/2008 2:56:38 PM, karththegeld wrote:
At 10/19/2008 6:08:56 PM, josh_42 wrote:
I am writing a speech on materialism, and i was wondering what are your views.
Does man naturally tend to be materialistic?

(Materialistic as in: focused only on material gain)

Being brought up in modern society where man tends to be materialistic would beg the question of whether or not man is naturally materialistic. But man is not naturally materialistic, it is the influence of the environment that makes him materialistic.

Given that man has created its society which then influences itself, the logical next step (to continue your logic) is to assume that man is naturally materialistic.
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12/11/2008 8:32:00 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 10/19/2008 6:08:56 PM, josh_42 wrote:
I am writing a speech on materialism, and i was wondering what are your views.
Does man naturally tend to be materialistic?

(Materialistic as in: focused only on material gain)

Are you out of you're blinkin mind?

If that were the case there would be no one buying drinks in the hopes of casual sex-- and yet the bars are full. After all, sex is an action not a material :D
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12/11/2008 8:52:05 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 12/11/2008 8:32:00 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:

Are you out of you're blinkin mind?

If that were the case there would be no one buying drinks in the hopes of casual sex-- and yet the bars are full. After all, sex is an action not a material :D
I lol'ed
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12/12/2008 5:16:45 PM
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At 12/11/2008 8:32:00 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 10/19/2008 6:08:56 PM, josh_42 wrote:
I am writing a speech on materialism, and i was wondering what are your views.
Does man naturally tend to be materialistic?

(Materialistic as in: focused only on material gain)

Are you out of you're blinkin mind?

If that were the case there would be no one buying drinks in the hopes of casual sex-- and yet the bars are full. After all, sex is an action not a material :D

But - You need the material to have sex. It just ain't the same thrusting into the open air...
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12/12/2008 6:45:07 PM
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At 12/12/2008 5:16:45 PM, jjmd280 wrote:
At 12/11/2008 8:32:00 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 10/19/2008 6:08:56 PM, josh_42 wrote:
I am writing a speech on materialism, and i was wondering what are your views.
Does man naturally tend to be materialistic?

(Materialistic as in: focused only on material gain)

Are you out of you're blinkin mind?

If that were the case there would be no one buying drinks in the hopes of casual sex-- and yet the bars are full. After all, sex is an action not a material :D

But - You need the material to have sex. It just ain't the same thrusting into the open air...

Focused ONLY on material gain...

Not on gains which are partially material.

Lolz
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