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Calvincambridge
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10/27/2011 5:23:34 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
i'm confused does this mean evangelzation is pointless or worse yet Izbo might be in heaven. Can someone clarify.
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Marauder
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10/27/2011 11:28:28 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/27/2011 5:23:34 PM, Calvincambridge wrote:
i'm confused does this mean evangelzation is pointless or worse yet Izbo might be in heaven. Can someone clarify.

under the predestination doctrine, it is pointless to evangelilize if your goal is to change peoples eternals futures. there is no changing anything. It was and only will be as it was going to be from the beginning.

but if your goal is to get the braggin rights that you were part of gods instramental in his ultimate chain of causes and effects that led to the salvation of someone who was set aside to get saved.....then there is a point.

Evangelizing is ultimately more about the evangelizer than it is the lost being changed to found for predestinationist.....or is it? After all your very act of evangelizing was as much caused by the super cosmic chain of cause and effect as the person who herd you preach the word.

This importance put on the cause and effect of absolutely every aspect of your life by predestination makes there god a Pantheist god, a god that was not a being apart from the universe it created, but a god that is subject to that universe as it is apart of it, the universe, 'the whole show'. Ironically advocates of predestination say questioning there doctrine questions the supreme sovereignty of God.
One act of Rebellion created all the darkness and evil in the world; One life of Total Obedience created a path back to eternity and God.

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Calvincambridge
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10/28/2011 4:42:58 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Are there any bible verses disproving predestination and do you believe in predestination ?
Trying to figure out women is like trying to solve a Rubik's cube with missing pieces. While blind. And on fire. And being shot.-Agent_Orange
Dude. Shades
That is all.- Thaddeus Rivers
One thing that isn't a joke though is the fact that woman are computers.Some buttons you can press and it'l work fine, but if you push the wrong one you'll get the blue screen of death.
silly, thett. girls are only good for sex. being friends with a female is of no value.-darkkermit
Gileandos
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10/28/2011 4:54:36 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/28/2011 4:42:58 PM, Calvincambridge wrote:
Are there any bible verses disproving predestination and do you believe in predestination ?

Only misinterpreted verses exist.

All Christians believe you were predestined by God to be born into your family, country etc..

These verses and early church fathers discuss predestination in that sense. Not that you are set to go to Heaven or not.

Many verses also discuss the predestination of God's plan for the Nations and again not personal salvation.

Any interpretation that states salvation is predestined is a mistake by a select few churches.
Marauder
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10/29/2011 12:29:47 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/28/2011 4:42:58 PM, Calvincambridge wrote:
Are there any bible verses disproving predestination and do you believe in predestination ?

It is the Lords will that NONE should perish but that ALL should have eternal life.

2 Peter.
One act of Rebellion created all the darkness and evil in the world; One life of Total Obedience created a path back to eternity and God.

A Scout is Obedient.
Ren
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10/29/2011 12:42:06 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/27/2011 5:23:34 PM, Calvincambridge wrote:
i'm confused does this mean evangelzation is pointless

I'd say so. However, rejecting God to "fit in" is not acceptable.

or worse yet Izbo might be in heaven. Can someone clarify.

Yep. He very well might be.
Calvincambridge
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10/29/2011 9:39:11 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/29/2011 12:42:06 AM, Ren wrote:
At 10/27/2011 5:23:34 PM, Calvincambridge wrote:
i'm confused does this mean evangelzation is pointless

I'd say so. However, rejecting God to "fit in" is not acceptable.

or worse yet Izbo might be in heaven. Can someone clarify.

Yep. He very well might be.

Are you Calvinist ?
Trying to figure out women is like trying to solve a Rubik's cube with missing pieces. While blind. And on fire. And being shot.-Agent_Orange
Dude. Shades
That is all.- Thaddeus Rivers
One thing that isn't a joke though is the fact that woman are computers.Some buttons you can press and it'l work fine, but if you push the wrong one you'll get the blue screen of death.
silly, thett. girls are only good for sex. being friends with a female is of no value.-darkkermit
Rusty
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10/29/2011 9:47:24 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
I think that even Arminians believe in predestination, it's just not completely arbitrary whether or not you're among the elect or reprobate somehow.