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11/2/2011 8:22:35 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
Too far... This should be illegal.
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11/2/2011 11:01:12 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
its all about what you view as the origin of homosexuality. . . really it's not a big deal.
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11/2/2011 11:14:50 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 11/2/2011 11:01:12 AM, gr33k_fr33k5 wrote:
its all about what you view as the origin of homosexuality. . . really it's not a big deal.

Aaah you kidding me?
I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.
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11/2/2011 11:29:10 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 11/2/2011 8:22:35 AM, lotus_flower wrote:
Too far... This should be illegal.
http://www.cbsnews.com...

It's kind of funny. We're over here saying how horrible they are for not thinking like us, and they are over there saying how horrible we are for not thinking like them.
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11/2/2011 11:30:25 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 11/2/2011 8:22:35 AM, lotus_flower wrote:
Too far... This should be illegal.
http://www.cbsnews.com...

Though you have to admit, that sure is a lot better than being stoned in the streets. You could look at it another way. This is a four-day class to teach these boys how to hide their sexuality from a culture that may try to kill them for it.
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11/2/2011 11:35:10 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
I think the fact that it is not mandatory makes a huge difference. However, I do find something inherently wrong with encouraging people to act a certain way about their sexuality. If it was the other way around, we wouldn't too happy about it.
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11/2/2011 11:35:36 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 11/2/2011 11:14:50 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 11/2/2011 11:01:12 AM, gr33k_fr33k5 wrote:
its all about what you view as the origin of homosexuality. . . really it's not a big deal.

Aaah you kidding me?

absolutely not, if they believe it is a sin to be gay why is it wrong for them to act on their beliefs and who are you to say they are wrong? . . . and how is that event going to effect anything in the "grand scheme of things" . . . hence its not really a big deal.
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11/2/2011 11:39:44 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 11/2/2011 11:30:25 AM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 11/2/2011 8:22:35 AM, lotus_flower wrote:
Too far... This should be illegal.
http://www.cbsnews.com...

Though you have to admit, that sure is a lot better than being stoned in the streets. You could look at it another way. This is a four-day class to teach these boys how to hide their sexuality from a culture that may try to kill them for it.

If you spin it that way then it's a positive! But I don't think that is the intention and I am not even sure it's the consequence.
I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.
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11/2/2011 2:07:47 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Well the problem is the effects that corrective therepy causes.
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11/2/2011 6:08:00 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 11/2/2011 2:07:47 PM, lotus_flower wrote:
Well the problem is the effects that corrective therepy causes.

No, the problem is there is nothing wrong with homosexuality, and a lot of religions teach bigotry toward it for no other reason then there fake god says it is wrong.
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11/2/2011 6:09:49 PM
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At 11/2/2011 11:44:33 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
I think the biggest objection is the idea that homosexuality is a behavioral choice.

Well, god thinks it is a choice, and he would know. After all, he made us all, right?
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11/2/2011 6:14:38 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 11/2/2011 6:09:49 PM, Diagoras wrote:
At 11/2/2011 11:44:33 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
I think the biggest objection is the idea that homosexuality is a behavioral choice.

Well, god thinks it is a choice, and he would know. After all, he made us all, right?

I don't recall that verse. Anyone can control their outward behavior, it's called sexual repression. Put a gun to my head, I could act gay even though the entire time I am straight.

God said "act straight" he never said people weren't born with gay desires. Even God says people are born with tendency towards "sin" like lust and greed. If homosexuality is a sin, why would you call it any less innate than heterosexual lust?

"Being gay" and homosexual actions (sodomy etc) are two different things. Straight men can do homosexual actions and vice versa. Straight men cannot "be gay."
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11/2/2011 6:20:31 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 11/2/2011 6:14:38 PM, Wnope wrote:
At 11/2/2011 6:09:49 PM, Diagoras wrote:
At 11/2/2011 11:44:33 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
I think the biggest objection is the idea that homosexuality is a behavioral choice.

Well, god thinks it is a choice, and he would know. After all, he made us all, right?

I don't recall that verse. Anyone can control their outward behavior, it's called sexual repression. Put a gun to my head, I could act gay even though the entire time I am straight.

God said "act straight" he never said people weren't born with gay desires. Even God says people are born with tendency towards "sin" like lust and greed. If homosexuality is a sin, why would you call it any less innate than heterosexual lust?

"Being gay" and homosexual actions (sodomy etc) are two different things. Straight men can do homosexual actions and vice versa. Straight men cannot "be gay."

Oh yeah, that's right. god made their very existance a sin against him. He made them love others of the same gender, then comanded them to never express that love or burn in a lake of fire, all the while saying that he loves them and that they must love him.

That would be like making someone eternally thirsty and saying if they ever drink anything, they will burn in hell for it, but he loves them anyway. That sounds like a serious psychological disorder. god needs to see a shrink, asap.
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11/2/2011 6:22:12 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
The Devilish Duo have struck again, Izbo10 with his painted clowns dancing around a circus ring, and Diagoras as the knife-thrower with a funny accent.

Come, fellows, and see the two circus freak perform!
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11/2/2011 6:25:37 PM
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At 11/2/2011 6:22:12 PM, Man-is-good wrote:
The Devilish Duo have struck again, Izbo10 with his painted clowns dancing around a circus ring, and Diagoras as the knife-thrower with a funny accent.

Come, fellows, and see the two circus freak perform!

going off topic again.

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11/2/2011 6:27:55 PM
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At 11/2/2011 6:25:37 PM, Diagoras wrote:
At 11/2/2011 6:22:12 PM, Man-is-good wrote:
The Devilish Duo have struck again, Izbo10 with his painted clowns dancing around a circus ring, and Diagoras as the knife-thrower with a funny accent.

Come, fellows, and see the two circus freak perform!

going off topic again.

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"I believe that the mind can be permanently profaned by the habit of attending to trivial things, so that all our thoughts shall be tinged with triviality."--Thoreau
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11/2/2011 6:30:31 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 11/2/2011 6:20:31 PM, Diagoras wrote:
At 11/2/2011 6:14:38 PM, Wnope wrote:
At 11/2/2011 6:09:49 PM, Diagoras wrote:
At 11/2/2011 11:44:33 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
I think the biggest objection is the idea that homosexuality is a behavioral choice.

Well, god thinks it is a choice, and he would know. After all, he made us all, right?

I don't recall that verse. Anyone can control their outward behavior, it's called sexual repression. Put a gun to my head, I could act gay even though the entire time I am straight.

God said "act straight" he never said people weren't born with gay desires. Even God says people are born with tendency towards "sin" like lust and greed. If homosexuality is a sin, why would you call it any less innate than heterosexual lust?

"Being gay" and homosexual actions (sodomy etc) are two different things. Straight men can do homosexual actions and vice versa. Straight men cannot "be gay."

Oh yeah, that's right. god made their very existance a sin against him. He made them love others of the same gender, then comanded them to never express that love or burn in a lake of fire, all the while saying that he loves them and that they must love him.

That would be like making someone eternally thirsty and saying if they ever drink anything, they will burn in hell for it, but he loves them anyway. That sounds like a serious psychological disorder. god needs to see a shrink, asap.

FINALLY, someone agrees with me.

Out of curiosity, what would you say if God made it so that every straight man had a desperate urge to have sex before or outside of marriage. Like someone being eternally thirsty. I know this is really, really, really hard to imagine, but consider a situation where straight men wants sex as much as homosexual men, even when they aren't in the position to get married (economically/socially/mentally).

The only reason heterosexual's fate is less cruel is that God gives them one woman each on which to employ all of their sexual frustrations instead of entirely repressing their sexuality.
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11/2/2011 6:37:53 PM
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At 11/2/2011 6:27:55 PM, Man-is-good wrote:
At 11/2/2011 6:25:37 PM, Diagoras wrote:
At 11/2/2011 6:22:12 PM, Man-is-good wrote:
The Devilish Duo have struck again, Izbo10 with his painted clowns dancing around a circus ring, and Diagoras as the knife-thrower with a funny accent.

Come, fellows, and see the two circus freak perform!

going off topic again.

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http://www.bing.com...

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11/2/2011 6:38:13 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 11/2/2011 6:14:38 PM, Wnope wrote:
At 11/2/2011 6:09:49 PM, Diagoras wrote:
At 11/2/2011 11:44:33 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
I think the biggest objection is the idea that homosexuality is a behavioral choice.

Well, god thinks it is a choice, and he would know. After all, he made us all, right?

I don't recall that verse. Anyone can control their outward behavior, it's called sexual repression. Put a gun to my head, I could act gay even though the entire time I am straight.

God said "act straight" he never said people weren't born with gay desires. Even God says people are born with tendency towards "sin" like lust and greed. If homosexuality is a sin, why would you call it any less innate than heterosexual lust?

"Being gay" and homosexual actions (sodomy etc) are two different things. Straight men can do homosexual actions and vice versa. Straight men cannot "be gay."

Wait, Wnope, I thought genes didn't matter. Aren't we just a product of our environment?
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11/2/2011 6:40:28 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 11/2/2011 6:30:31 PM, Wnope wrote:
At 11/2/2011 6:20:31 PM, Diagoras wrote:
At 11/2/2011 6:14:38 PM, Wnope wrote:
At 11/2/2011 6:09:49 PM, Diagoras wrote:
At 11/2/2011 11:44:33 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
I think the biggest objection is the idea that homosexuality is a behavioral choice.

Well, god thinks it is a choice, and he would know. After all, he made us all, right?

I don't recall that verse. Anyone can control their outward behavior, it's called sexual repression. Put a gun to my head, I could act gay even though the entire time I am straight.

God said "act straight" he never said people weren't born with gay desires. Even God says people are born with tendency towards "sin" like lust and greed. If homosexuality is a sin, why would you call it any less innate than heterosexual lust?

"Being gay" and homosexual actions (sodomy etc) are two different things. Straight men can do homosexual actions and vice versa. Straight men cannot "be gay."

Oh yeah, that's right. god made their very existance a sin against him. He made them love others of the same gender, then comanded them to never express that love or burn in a lake of fire, all the while saying that he loves them and that they must love him.

That would be like making someone eternally thirsty and saying if they ever drink anything, they will burn in hell for it, but he loves them anyway. That sounds like a serious psychological disorder. god needs to see a shrink, asap.

FINALLY, someone agrees with me.

Out of curiosity, what would you say if God made it so that every straight man had a desperate urge to have sex before or outside of marriage. Like someone being eternally thirsty. I know this is really, really, really hard to imagine, but consider a situation where straight men wants sex as much as homosexual men, even when they aren't in the position to get married (economically/socially/mentally).

The only reason heterosexual's fate is less cruel is that God gives them one woman each on which to employ all of their sexual frustrations instead of entirely repressing their sexuality.

And that makes a big fvcking difference. pun intended.
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11/2/2011 6:41:11 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 11/2/2011 6:14:38 PM, Wnope wrote:
At 11/2/2011 6:09:49 PM, Diagoras wrote:
At 11/2/2011 11:44:33 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
I think the biggest objection is the idea that homosexuality is a behavioral choice.

Well, god thinks it is a choice, and he would know. After all, he made us all, right?

I don't recall that verse. Anyone can control their outward behavior, it's called sexual repression. Put a gun to my head, I could act gay even though the entire time I am straight.

God said "act straight" he never said people weren't born with gay desires. Even God says people are born with tendency towards "sin" like lust and greed. If homosexuality is a sin, why would you call it any less innate than heterosexual lust?

"Being gay" and homosexual actions (sodomy etc) are two different things. Straight men can do homosexual actions and vice versa. Straight men cannot "be gay."

Wait, Wnope, I thought genes didn't matter. Aren't we just a product of our environment?
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11/2/2011 6:41:32 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 11/2/2011 6:40:28 PM, Diagoras wrote:
At 11/2/2011 6:30:31 PM, Wnope wrote:
At 11/2/2011 6:20:31 PM, Diagoras wrote:
At 11/2/2011 6:14:38 PM, Wnope wrote:
At 11/2/2011 6:09:49 PM, Diagoras wrote:
At 11/2/2011 11:44:33 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
I think the biggest objection is the idea that homosexuality is a behavioral choice.

Well, god thinks it is a choice, and he would know. After all, he made us all, right?

I don't recall that verse. Anyone can control their outward behavior, it's called sexual repression. Put a gun to my head, I could act gay even though the entire time I am straight.

God said "act straight" he never said people weren't born with gay desires. Even God says people are born with tendency towards "sin" like lust and greed. If homosexuality is a sin, why would you call it any less innate than heterosexual lust?

"Being gay" and homosexual actions (sodomy etc) are two different things. Straight men can do homosexual actions and vice versa. Straight men cannot "be gay."

Oh yeah, that's right. god made their very existance a sin against him. He made them love others of the same gender, then comanded them to never express that love or burn in a lake of fire, all the while saying that he loves them and that they must love him.

That would be like making someone eternally thirsty and saying if they ever drink anything, they will burn in hell for it, but he loves them anyway. That sounds like a serious psychological disorder. god needs to see a shrink, asap.

FINALLY, someone agrees with me.

Out of curiosity, what would you say if God made it so that every straight man had a desperate urge to have sex before or outside of marriage. Like someone being eternally thirsty. I know this is really, really, really hard to imagine, but consider a situation where straight men wants sex as much as homosexual men, even when they aren't in the position to get married (economically/socially/mentally).

The only reason heterosexual's fate is less cruel is that God gives them one woman each on which to employ all of their sexual frustrations instead of entirely repressing their sexuality.

And that makes a big fvcking difference. pun intended.

To expand upon this. god gave them an out, a way to relieve such tension. He gave homosexuals jack diddley sh*t.
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11/2/2011 6:48:07 PM
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Personally I am not worthy of any female I want to marry, so what would God have me do?
I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.
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11/2/2011 6:51:45 PM
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At 11/2/2011 6:38:13 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
At 11/2/2011 6:14:38 PM, Wnope wrote:
At 11/2/2011 6:09:49 PM, Diagoras wrote:
At 11/2/2011 11:44:33 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
I think the biggest objection is the idea that homosexuality is a behavioral choice.

Well, god thinks it is a choice, and he would know. After all, he made us all, right?

I don't recall that verse. Anyone can control their outward behavior, it's called sexual repression. Put a gun to my head, I could act gay even though the entire time I am straight.

God said "act straight" he never said people weren't born with gay desires. Even God says people are born with tendency towards "sin" like lust and greed. If homosexuality is a sin, why would you call it any less innate than heterosexual lust?

"Being gay" and homosexual actions (sodomy etc) are two different things. Straight men can do homosexual actions and vice versa. Straight men cannot "be gay."

Wait, Wnope, I thought genes didn't matter. Aren't we just a product of our environment?

At what point did I discuss sexuality and biology with you?

And at what point did I call myself a cultural determinist?

I have said on several occasions that IQ and sexuality have genetically heritable components. For sexuality, however, prenatal environment is one of the largest influences as opposed to the actual genetics of the individual. Twin studies on monozygotics obscure the results since monozygotes share the same prenatal conditions. However, when you apply statistical models to birth-order and dizygotic versus serial siblings, you find prenatal environment with an overwhelming effect.
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11/2/2011 6:54:39 PM
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At 11/2/2011 6:48:07 PM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
Personally I am not worthy of any female I want to marry, so what would God have me do?

It is better to lay your seed in the belly of a whore, then spill it on the grond.
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11/2/2011 6:57:06 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 11/2/2011 6:41:32 PM, Diagoras wrote:
At 11/2/2011 6:40:28 PM, Diagoras wrote:
At 11/2/2011 6:30:31 PM, Wnope wrote:
At 11/2/2011 6:20:31 PM, Diagoras wrote:
At 11/2/2011 6:14:38 PM, Wnope wrote:
At 11/2/2011 6:09:49 PM, Diagoras wrote:
At 11/2/2011 11:44:33 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
I think the biggest objection is the idea that homosexuality is a behavioral choice.

Well, god thinks it is a choice, and he would know. After all, he made us all, right?

I don't recall that verse. Anyone can control their outward behavior, it's called sexual repression. Put a gun to my head, I could act gay even though the entire time I am straight.

God said "act straight" he never said people weren't born with gay desires. Even God says people are born with tendency towards "sin" like lust and greed. If homosexuality is a sin, why would you call it any less innate than heterosexual lust?

"Being gay" and homosexual actions (sodomy etc) are two different things. Straight men can do homosexual actions and vice versa. Straight men cannot "be gay."

Oh yeah, that's right. god made their very existance a sin against him. He made them love others of the same gender, then comanded them to never express that love or burn in a lake of fire, all the while saying that he loves them and that they must love him.

That would be like making someone eternally thirsty and saying if they ever drink anything, they will burn in hell for it, but he loves them anyway. That sounds like a serious psychological disorder. god needs to see a shrink, asap.

FINALLY, someone agrees with me.

Out of curiosity, what would you say if God made it so that every straight man had a desperate urge to have sex before or outside of marriage. Like someone being eternally thirsty. I know this is really, really, really hard to imagine, but consider a situation where straight men wants sex as much as homosexual men, even when they aren't in the position to get married (economically/socially/mentally).

The only reason heterosexual's fate is less cruel is that God gives them one woman each on which to employ all of their sexual frustrations instead of entirely repressing their sexuality.

And that makes a big fvcking difference. pun intended.

To expand upon this. god gave them an out, a way to relieve such tension. He gave homosexuals jack diddley sh*t.

What is the difference between heterosexual and homosexual's desire for sex outside of marriage, then, other than this "release valve" God granted polygamous men.

I'm starting to see why a lot of feminists don't find Christianity hot.
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11/2/2011 7:05:01 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 11/2/2011 6:57:06 PM, Wnope wrote:
At 11/2/2011 6:41:32 PM, Diagoras wrote:
At 11/2/2011 6:40:28 PM, Diagoras wrote:
At 11/2/2011 6:30:31 PM, Wnope wrote:
At 11/2/2011 6:20:31 PM, Diagoras wrote:
At 11/2/2011 6:14:38 PM, Wnope wrote:
At 11/2/2011 6:09:49 PM, Diagoras wrote:
At 11/2/2011 11:44:33 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
I think the biggest objection is the idea that homosexuality is a behavioral choice.

Well, god thinks it is a choice, and he would know. After all, he made us all, right?

I don't recall that verse. Anyone can control their outward behavior, it's called sexual repression. Put a gun to my head, I could act gay even though the entire time I am straight.

God said "act straight" he never said people weren't born with gay desires. Even God says people are born with tendency towards "sin" like lust and greed. If homosexuality is a sin, why would you call it any less innate than heterosexual lust?

"Being gay" and homosexual actions (sodomy etc) are two different things. Straight men can do homosexual actions and vice versa. Straight men cannot "be gay."

Oh yeah, that's right. god made their very existance a sin against him. He made them love others of the same gender, then comanded them to never express that love or burn in a lake of fire, all the while saying that he loves them and that they must love him.

That would be like making someone eternally thirsty and saying if they ever drink anything, they will burn in hell for it, but he loves them anyway. That sounds like a serious psychological disorder. god needs to see a shrink, asap.

FINALLY, someone agrees with me.

Out of curiosity, what would you say if God made it so that every straight man had a desperate urge to have sex before or outside of marriage. Like someone being eternally thirsty. I know this is really, really, really hard to imagine, but consider a situation where straight men wants sex as much as homosexual men, even when they aren't in the position to get married (economically/socially/mentally).

The only reason heterosexual's fate is less cruel is that God gives them one woman each on which to employ all of their sexual frustrations instead of entirely repressing their sexuality.

And that makes a big fvcking difference. pun intended.

To expand upon this. god gave them an out, a way to relieve such tension. He gave homosexuals jack diddley sh*t.

What is the difference between heterosexual and homosexual's desire for sex outside of marriage, then, other than this "release valve" God granted polygamous men.

I'm starting to see why a lot of feminists don't find Christianity hot.

The "other than" you listed is the difference. And it is a big difference. It's like telling one group of people that they can't eat unless the do X, and telling another group that they can't eat, period. There may only be 1 difference, but that one difference is a big one.
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11/2/2011 7:05:07 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 11/2/2011 6:51:45 PM, Wnope wrote:
At 11/2/2011 6:38:13 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
At 11/2/2011 6:14:38 PM, Wnope wrote:
At 11/2/2011 6:09:49 PM, Diagoras wrote:
At 11/2/2011 11:44:33 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
I think the biggest objection is the idea that homosexuality is a behavioral choice.

Well, god thinks it is a choice, and he would know. After all, he made us all, right?

I don't recall that verse. Anyone can control their outward behavior, it's called sexual repression. Put a gun to my head, I could act gay even though the entire time I am straight.

God said "act straight" he never said people weren't born with gay desires. Even God says people are born with tendency towards "sin" like lust and greed. If homosexuality is a sin, why would you call it any less innate than heterosexual lust?

"Being gay" and homosexual actions (sodomy etc) are two different things. Straight men can do homosexual actions and vice versa. Straight men cannot "be gay."

Wait, Wnope, I thought genes didn't matter. Aren't we just a product of our environment?

At what point did I discuss sexuality and biology with you?

And at what point did I call myself a cultural determinist?

I have said on several occasions that IQ and sexuality have genetically heritable components. For sexuality, however, prenatal environment is one of the largest influences as opposed to the actual genetics of the individual. Twin studies on monozygotics obscure the results since monozygotes share the same prenatal conditions. However, when you apply statistical models to birth-order and dizygotic versus serial siblings, you find prenatal environment with an overwhelming effect.

So, Prenatal Environment is a better determinatant of sexuality than genes?
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