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Was Eve correct in rejecting God?

GreatestIam
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11/6/2011 10:12:37 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
Was Eve correct in rejecting God?

This clip is a near perfect analogy to what Eden would have been like with mankind not having the knowledge of good and evil.

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Eve eating from the tree of knowledge would be like her mentality going from what you see those young adults thinking, to that of the thinking of the time traveler. From pure innocence bliss to that of having a moral sense and the lose of innocent bliss.

In the myth of Eden, Eve was first to eat of the tree of knowledge. She, as God states, became as Gods, knowing good and evil. She then applied this new knowledge and wisdom and chose to reject God as mankind's best example and master. She chose instead to draw Adam to her new reality. That of having the moral sense of God along with human nature. Analogous to Jesus later.

Eve, like some today, would have seen God as less fit to rule mankind than mankind equipped with the knowledge of good and evil. This can be shown by some of the epithets that are given to God.

"The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully."
― Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion

What would you choose?
Would you accept God, or would you reject him?
Is mankind better led by a human God or by an invisible God who would deny mankind a moral sense?
Would you step up to the highest form of humanity, or stay in a blissfully ignorant in Eden?
Is God nature + human nature better than God nature alone? Jesus thought so.

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DL

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WriterSelbe
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11/6/2011 2:47:26 PM
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No. She would've lived a lot longer if she'd let herself have eternal life by obeying God, but now we all have to suffer our periods and go through birthing pains.
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11/6/2011 2:55:34 PM
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Why not just point out that Eve couldn't even comprehend what good and evil was when she allegedly disobeyed, therefore making her disobedience a moot point?

After all, if God gave the order not to eat of the fruit BEFORE she knew what right and wrong was, a commandment means f*ck all.

Eve is therefore absolved.
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logicrules
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11/6/2011 3:06:54 PM
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Where to begin....Eve did not reject God, she rejected the covenant. The God of the Old Testament isn't the problem its the Israelites' concept of God which was incorrect, just as many Christians concept (theology) today. Go figure, a story about struggle and the role of women, or does ADAM mean people....mmmm?
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11/6/2011 3:08:36 PM
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At 11/6/2011 2:55:34 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
Why not just point out that Eve couldn't even comprehend what good and evil was when she allegedly disobeyed, therefore making her disobedience a moot point?

After all, if God gave the order not to eat of the fruit BEFORE she knew what right and wrong was, a commandment means f*ck all.

Eve is therefore absolved.

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11/6/2011 3:11:03 PM
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This is why I am so skeptical of the OT god.

Knowledge is evil.... what a great power tool in the hands of enterprising humans.
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11/7/2011 4:24:29 AM
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I've always been of the opinion that God tempted her with the tree. If you really didn't want her to eat it, get it out of there. Don't stick it in the middle of the fuucking garden and then specifically point out NOT to do it. Nine times out of ten you're going to want to do it. BTW anybody ever wondered how weird the world would have been if an animal ate it first?
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11/7/2011 5:42:31 AM
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At 11/6/2011 2:55:34 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
Why not just point out that Eve couldn't even comprehend what good and evil was when she allegedly disobeyed, therefore making her disobedience a moot point?

After all, if God gave the order not to eat of the fruit BEFORE she knew what right and wrong was, a commandment means f*ck all.

Eve is therefore absolved.

But there is no concept of what is right and wrong in Christianity, merely obedience and disobedience.
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11/7/2011 6:51:51 AM
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At 11/6/2011 2:47:26 PM, WriterSelbe wrote:
No. She would've lived a lot longer if she'd let herself have eternal life by obeying God, but now we all have to suffer our periods and go through birthing pains.

So you think that a long life as a cow in ignorant bliss and doing what you are told and never have freedom and autonomy, a slave, is better than a short life being fully human and free with a moral sense.

Thanks. Mooove on.

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11/7/2011 6:56:13 AM
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At 11/6/2011 2:51:47 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
According to your first video, the correct question should be, Was Eve correct in rejecting Adam by trusting the snake?

The snake was more honest than God and trusting it had nothing to do with rejecting anything. Check the information the snake gave that God forgot to tell A & E. Like that there eyes would be opened and they would get a moral sense.

Would you give up your moral sense and join they cow above who just wants to obey and be a long lived slave?

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11/7/2011 6:58:40 AM
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At 11/6/2011 2:55:34 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
Why not just point out that Eve couldn't even comprehend what good and evil was when she allegedly disobeyed, therefore making her disobedience a moot point?

After all, if God gave the order not to eat of the fruit BEFORE she knew what right and wrong was, a commandment means f*ck all.

Eve is therefore absolved.

I agree but the issue is not moot as it had a great effect on her when God did the immoral punishment.

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DL
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11/7/2011 7:05:32 AM
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At 11/6/2011 3:06:54 PM, logicrules wrote:
Where to begin....Eve did not reject God, she rejected the covenant. The God of the Old Testament isn't the problem its the Israelites' concept of God which was incorrect, just as many Christians concept (theology) today. Go figure, a story about struggle and the role of women, or does ADAM mean people....mmmm?

A & E are to be our archetypal examples, yes. Adam does not mean people, adam does. No capital.

Israel is a far reach from the issue and since Jews saw Eden as man's elevation and not his fall, bringing them into the discussion would reverse the direction of thought of the O P.

You are correct as to Eve not rejecting God. She gained a moral sense and became as God and God rejected her.
Strange since scripture tells us to emulate God and that is exactly what A & E did.

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DL
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11/7/2011 7:08:35 AM
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At 11/6/2011 3:11:03 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
This is why I am so skeptical of the OT god.

Knowledge is evil.... what a great power tool in the hands of enterprising humans.

Yes. We saw much in the Spanish inquisition.
Ask Galileo.
Flat earthers are still around. Beware.

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DL
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11/7/2011 7:15:44 AM
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At 11/7/2011 4:24:29 AM, MarquisX wrote:
I've always been of the opinion that God tempted her with the tree. If you really didn't want her to eat it, get it out of there. Don't stick it in the middle of the fuucking garden and then specifically point out NOT to do it. Nine times out of ten you're going to want to do it. BTW anybody ever wondered how weird the world would have been if an animal ate it first?

It would be the same world except that man would likely be one of the lower beasts instead of the best that the world can produce. That other animal would take our position.

An argument could be made I guess for gaining a child's trust with commands. We do want them to take instruction and obey us for their own protection as we raise them. But no parent worthy of the name would deny the most valuable knowledge that we can fathom.

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DL
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11/8/2011 8:43:25 AM
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At 11/6/2011 10:12:37 AM, GreatestIam wrote:
Was Eve correct in rejecting God?

I think of it this way:

There was no Bible. There was no long indepth history of apologetics. There were no evangelicals. No large populations of people pushing God. Just her, Adam, God and a talking snake.

Furthermore, she had no knowledge of good or evil, thus no awareness of any supposed moral obligation to obey God.

So there was a choice between a talking snake and some being who claimed to have created everything.

It's a toss up. Given that the snake was right and God was lying, I think Eve was justified.
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11/8/2011 1:15:25 PM
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At 11/7/2011 5:42:31 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 11/6/2011 2:55:34 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
Why not just point out that Eve couldn't even comprehend what good and evil was when she allegedly disobeyed, therefore making her disobedience a moot point?

After all, if God gave the order not to eat of the fruit BEFORE she knew what right and wrong was, a commandment means f*ck all.

Eve is therefore absolved.

But there is no concept of what is right and wrong in Christianity, merely obedience and disobedience.:

All of Christianity is predicated on morals (i.e. right and wrong), where obedience in doing the right things is rewarded, and disobedience for the wrong things is punished.
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11/8/2011 8:01:28 PM
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At 11/8/2011 8:43:25 AM, drafterman wrote:
At 11/6/2011 10:12:37 AM, GreatestIam wrote:
Was Eve correct in rejecting God?

I think of it this way:

There was no Bible. There was no long indepth history of apologetics. There were no evangelicals. No large populations of people pushing God. Just her, Adam, God and a talking snake.

Furthermore, she had no knowledge of good or evil, thus no awareness of any supposed moral obligation to obey God.

So there was a choice between a talking snake and some being who claimed to have created everything.

It's a toss up. Given that the snake was right and God was lying, I think Eve was justified.

As is your correct view.

Regards
DL