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kjw47
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12/4/2011 6:00:33 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Here are the facts of Gods written word---- God has the book of life in his possession-he alone writes names into it-- no mortal has ever seen this book.
God is the only one who can read the true heart--no mortal can read anothers heart.
No mortal actually knows which path another actually walks in their life outside of the place of worship-- rare cases of this occurence.
And the bottom line in Gods word of actually being saved is this---- Those who endure till the end will be saved.---Which means one can lose the position of being saved---It doesnt mean that one isnt in a saved position before their end--their are requirements to being in a saved position.
so the bottom line of all of this is that--- their isnt a mortal alive that can truthfully tell another that they are in a saved position, by doing so they are elevating themselves into Gods position( not good) and if a religion practices this-they are false religion. Being told one is born again is the same thing.
JustCallMeTarzan
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12/4/2011 6:43:54 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/4/2011 6:00:33 PM, kjw47 wrote:
Here are the facts of Gods written word---- God has the book of life in his possession-he alone writes names into it-- no mortal has ever seen this book.

Then how do you know he has it?

God is the only one who can read the true heart--no mortal can read anothers heart.

So there is no way to verify if God has any methodology when he "reads" a heart - as far as you know, it could be wholly arbitrary.

No mortal actually knows which path another actually walks in their life outside of the place of worship-- rare cases of this occurence.
And the bottom line in Gods word of actually being saved is this---- Those who endure till the end will be saved.---Which means one can lose the position of being saved---It doesnt mean that one isnt in a saved position before their end--their are requirements to being in a saved position.
so the bottom line of all of this is that--- their isnt a mortal alive that can truthfully tell another that they are in a saved position, by doing so they are elevating themselves into Gods position( not good) and if a religion practices this-they are false religion. Being told one is born again is the same thing.

So, despite the fact that you don't and can't know what God's position on the matter is, telling someone they are saved is bad, even though it may in fact be true?
jharry
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12/4/2011 7:20:19 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/4/2011 6:00:33 PM, kjw47 wrote:
Here are the facts of Gods written word---- God has the book of life in his possession-he alone writes names into it-- no mortal has ever seen this book.
God is the only one who can read the true heart--no mortal can read anothers heart.
No mortal actually knows which path another actually walks in their life outside of the place of worship-- rare cases of this occurence.
And the bottom line in Gods word of actually being saved is this---- Those who endure till the end will be saved.---Which means one can lose the position of being saved---It doesnt mean that one isnt in a saved position before their end--their are requirements to being in a saved position.
so the bottom line of all of this is that--- their isnt a mortal alive that can truthfully tell another that they are in a saved position, by doing so they are elevating themselves into Gods position( not good) and if a religion practices this-they are false religion. Being told one is born again is the same thing.

I agree. Being saved isn't just believing in Jesus. It is picking up your cross and following Him. This is the hardest part. The race is hard and long with many falls and steep grades. But the Good News is that this race isn't something you have to come in first to win. It is an endurance race and a battle of your will.

The race also follows the narrow path. The narrow path is the best possible path for you, your dearest loved ones and humanity as a whole. If it were an easy race with little challenges and failures then this world would be perfect. But it is not and the only thing that stands in between us and peace is US.

Merry Christmas, the love of Christ shine on you all of your days.

"May the Lord bless you and keep you: May the Lord make His face shine upon you, and be gracious unto you: May the Lord lift up his countenance upon you and give you peace." Amen.
In nomine Patris, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti. Amen
rogue
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12/4/2011 10:21:41 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/4/2011 6:00:33 PM, kjw47 wrote:
Here are the facts of Gods written word---- God has the book of life in his possession-he alone writes names into it-- no mortal has ever seen this book.
God is the only one who can read the true heart--no mortal can read anothers heart.
No mortal actually knows which path another actually walks in their life outside of the place of worship-- rare cases of this occurence.
And the bottom line in Gods word of actually being saved is this---- Those who endure till the end will be saved.---Which means one can lose the position of being saved---It doesnt mean that one isnt in a saved position before their end--their are requirements to being in a saved position.
so the bottom line of all of this is that--- their isnt a mortal alive that can truthfully tell another that they are in a saved position, by doing so they are elevating themselves into Gods position( not good) and if a religion practices this-they are false religion. Being told one is born again is the same thing.

So um, how did you become the expert on God?
Wain84
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12/4/2011 10:33:19 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/4/2011 10:21:41 PM, rogue wrote:
At 12/4/2011 6:00:33 PM, kjw47 wrote:
Here are the facts of Gods written word---- God has the book of life in his possession-he alone writes names into it-- no mortal has ever seen this book.
God is the only one who can read the true heart--no mortal can read anothers heart.
No mortal actually knows which path another actually walks in their life outside of the place of worship-- rare cases of this occurence.
And the bottom line in Gods word of actually being saved is this---- Those who endure till the end will be saved.---Which means one can lose the position of being saved---It doesnt mean that one isnt in a saved position before their end--their are requirements to being in a saved position.
so the bottom line of all of this is that--- their isnt a mortal alive that can truthfully tell another that they are in a saved position, by doing so they are elevating themselves into Gods position( not good) and if a religion practices this-they are false religion. Being told one is born again is the same thing.

So um, how did you become the expert on God?

Because he has a book written by over forty authors, some of which disagree with each other(honesty perhaps?). This book is very old(1500 years maybe?) so it must be true. This book gives sanctions for slavery and puts almost all of the signifigance on men, these primitive beliefs also prove its truth(=P). I hope my sardonicism is evident, it is harder to convey in typing as opposed to speech.
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12/5/2011 11:22:08 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
I don't need to be saved, i'm in no danger. (:
also, I don't need to be "born again", I was born fine the fist time. (:
"Human decency is not derived from religion. It precedes it."
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kjw47
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12/5/2011 12:08:39 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/4/2011 6:43:54 PM, JustCallMeTarzan wrote:
At 12/4/2011 6:00:33 PM, kjw47 wrote:
Here are the facts of Gods written word---- God has the book of life in his possession-he alone writes names into it-- no mortal has ever seen this book.

Then how do you know he has it?

God is the only one who can read the true heart--no mortal can read anothers heart.

So there is no way to verify if God has any methodology when he "reads" a heart - as far as you know, it could be wholly arbitrary.

No mortal actually knows which path another actually walks in their life outside of the place of worship-- rare cases of this occurence.
And the bottom line in Gods word of actually being saved is this---- Those who endure till the end will be saved.---Which means one can lose the position of being saved---It doesnt mean that one isnt in a saved position before their end--their are requirements to being in a saved position.
so the bottom line of all of this is that--- their isnt a mortal alive that can truthfully tell another that they are in a saved position, by doing so they are elevating themselves into Gods position( not good) and if a religion practices this-they are false religion. Being told one is born again is the same thing.

So, despite the fact that you don't and can't know what God's position on the matter is, telling someone they are saved is bad, even though it may in fact be true?

The problem is that for example-Joel Olsteen stands on the tv in front of thousands--he says pray these 3 lines with me and you are born again( meaning saved) yet he doesnt have a clue as to how many walk the broad and spacious path--so he was wrong to all of them. and if he didnt really have a clue as to those, then how could he possibly have a clue about the rest in reality? He doesnt.
kjw47
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12/5/2011 12:10:48 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/4/2011 10:21:41 PM, rogue wrote:
At 12/4/2011 6:00:33 PM, kjw47 wrote:
Here are the facts of Gods written word---- God has the book of life in his possession-he alone writes names into it-- no mortal has ever seen this book.
God is the only one who can read the true heart--no mortal can read anothers heart.
No mortal actually knows which path another actually walks in their life outside of the place of worship-- rare cases of this occurence.
And the bottom line in Gods word of actually being saved is this---- Those who endure till the end will be saved.---Which means one can lose the position of being saved---It doesnt mean that one isnt in a saved position before their end--their are requirements to being in a saved position.
so the bottom line of all of this is that--- their isnt a mortal alive that can truthfully tell another that they are in a saved position, by doing so they are elevating themselves into Gods position( not good) and if a religion practices this-they are false religion. Being told one is born again is the same thing.

So um, how did you become the expert on God?

No expertise required, ne just need to learn about the true God and his written word---most dont bother to even read it let alone take their time to study it--afterall, eternal life is on the line.
logicrules
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12/6/2011 12:48:19 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/5/2011 12:10:48 PM, kjw47 wrote:
At 12/4/2011 10:21:41 PM, rogue wrote:
At 12/4/2011 6:00:33 PM, kjw47 wrote:
Here are the facts of Gods written word---- God has the book of life in his possession-he alone writes names into it-- no mortal has ever seen this book.
God is the only one who can read the true heart--no mortal can read anothers heart.
No mortal actually knows which path another actually walks in their life outside of the place of worship-- rare cases of this occurence.
And the bottom line in Gods word of actually being saved is this---- Those who endure till the end will be saved.---Which means one can lose the position of being saved---It doesnt mean that one isnt in a saved position before their end--their are requirements to being in a saved position.
so the bottom line of all of this is that--- their isnt a mortal alive that can truthfully tell another that they are in a saved position, by doing so they are elevating themselves into Gods position( not good) and if a religion practices this-they are false religion. Being told one is born again is the same thing.

So um, how did you become the expert on God?


No expertise required, ne just need to learn about the true God and his written word---most dont bother to even read it let alone take their time to study it--afterall, eternal life is on the line.

Word or words? How many gods are there? When did talking serpents die out? is it the poor who are blessed or the poor in spirit? Which collection of books is the right collection of words? Is one word sufficient? There is no god...that's in scripture? Is this one true god confused?
kjw47
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12/6/2011 4:23:29 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/6/2011 12:48:19 PM, logicrules wrote:
At 12/5/2011 12:10:48 PM, kjw47 wrote:
At 12/4/2011 10:21:41 PM, rogue wrote:
At 12/4/2011 6:00:33 PM, kjw47 wrote:
Here are the facts of Gods written word---- God has the book of life in his possession-he alone writes names into it-- no mortal has ever seen this book.
God is the only one who can read the true heart--no mortal can read anothers heart.
No mortal actually knows which path another actually walks in their life outside of the place of worship-- rare cases of this occurence.
And the bottom line in Gods word of actually being saved is this---- Those who endure till the end will be saved.---Which means one can lose the position of being saved---It doesnt mean that one isnt in a saved position before their end--their are requirements to being in a saved position.
so the bottom line of all of this is that--- their isnt a mortal alive that can truthfully tell another that they are in a saved position, by doing so they are elevating themselves into Gods position( not good) and if a religion practices this-they are false religion. Being told one is born again is the same thing.

So um, how did you become the expert on God?


No expertise required, ne just need to learn about the true God and his written word---most dont bother to even read it let alone take their time to study it--afterall, eternal life is on the line.

Word or words? How many gods are there? When did talking serpents die out? is it the poor who are blessed or the poor in spirit? Which collection of books is the right collection of words? Is one word sufficient? There is no god...that's in scripture? Is this one true god confused?

God isnt confused, but 99% of this world is, same as in Noahs day.
logicrules
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12/6/2011 5:41:33 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Word or words? How many gods are there? When did talking serpents die out? is it the poor who are blessed or the poor in spirit? Which collection of books is the right collection of words? Is one word sufficient? There is no god...that's in scripture? Is this one true god confused?

God isnt confused, but 99% of this world is, same as in Noahs day.

LOL there was no Noah, its just a story.