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jm_notguilty
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12/7/2011 11:33:58 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
Obviously, there are probably more or less 100 debates relating to God's existence, different resolutions and different arguments. I've began to be interested in reading and learning some facts.

My first question, assuming someone wants to do another one of these spammy debates, what resolution is more desirable and preferable?

Second, which one of these tons of debates is your favorite or the one with the strongest arguments affirming and negating the existence of God?

Thanks.
logicrules
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12/7/2011 3:33:00 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/7/2011 11:33:58 AM, jm_notguilty wrote:
Obviously, there are probably more or less 100 debates relating to God's existence, different resolutions and different arguments. I've began to be interested in reading and learning some facts.

My first question, assuming someone wants to do another one of these spammy debates, what resolution is more desirable and preferable?

Second, which one of these tons of debates is your favorite or the one with the strongest arguments affirming and negating the existence of God?

No one can prove as a physical fact, the existence of God. Best one can do is get to a reasonable inference. eg If you wake up and find snow all over the ground and on your house and as far as you can see, you can not prove it snowed, maybe guys in trucks hauled and dumped it while you were sleeping. Same with proving God exist. There will always be those recalcitrants who hold it was guys in trucks.
tvellalott
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12/7/2011 4:27:40 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
I like "It is reasonable to believe a personal God exists" with careful definitions of exactly what's reasonable and 'a personal God' is.
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logicrules
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12/7/2011 5:44:42 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/7/2011 4:27:40 PM, tvellalott wrote:
I like "It is reasonable to believe a personal God exists" with careful definitions of exactly what's reasonable and 'a personal God' is.

Does that mean we all get our own personal God? I read a biography of Reagan and liked it so much I think I"ll have him as my personal President.
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12/7/2011 6:42:02 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/7/2011 4:27:40 PM, tvellalott wrote:
I like "It is reasonable to believe a personal God exists" with careful definitions of exactly what's reasonable and 'a personal God' is.

I also like "The christian god more likely than not exists," or, "It is probable that the christian god exists.'
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ApostateAbe
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12/7/2011 11:21:02 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/7/2011 11:33:58 AM, jm_notguilty wrote:
Obviously, there are probably more or less 100 debates relating to God's existence, different resolutions and different arguments. I've began to be interested in reading and learning some facts.

My first question, assuming someone wants to do another one of these spammy debates, what resolution is more desirable and preferable?

I think more focus is better. It is a very big topic, and you don't want the debate branching out too much.

Good: "Irreducible complexity of the bacterial flagellum is a strong argument for the existence of an intelligent designer of life."

Bad: "God exists."
royalpaladin
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12/8/2011 12:12:50 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/7/2011 11:21:02 PM, ApostateAbe wrote:
At 12/7/2011 11:33:58 AM, jm_notguilty wrote:
Obviously, there are probably more or less 100 debates relating to God's existence, different resolutions and different arguments. I've began to be interested in reading and learning some facts.

My first question, assuming someone wants to do another one of these spammy debates, what resolution is more desirable and preferable?

I think more focus is better. It is a very big topic, and you don't want the debate branching out too much.

Good: "Irreducible complexity of the bacterial flagellum is a strong argument for the existence of an intelligent designer of life."

Bad: "God exists."

That is not a fair resolution. You can use that as an argument in the "God exists" debate, but that is too specific.
logicrules
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12/8/2011 4:56:06 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/8/2011 12:12:50 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 12/7/2011 11:21:02 PM, ApostateAbe wrote:
At 12/7/2011 11:33:58 AM, jm_notguilty wrote:
Obviously, there are probably more or less 100 debates relating to God's existence, different resolutions and different arguments. I've began to be interested in reading and learning some facts.

My first question, assuming someone wants to do another one of these spammy debates, what resolution is more desirable and preferable?

I think more focus is better. It is a very big topic, and you don't want the debate branching out too much.

Good: "Irreducible complexity of the bacterial flagellum is a strong argument for the existence of an intelligent designer of life."

Bad: "God exists."

That is not a fair resolution. You can use that as an argument in the "God exists" debate, but that is too specific.

God forbid we get specific, lets just be general and vague...
prephysics
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12/8/2011 5:31:38 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/7/2011 11:33:58 AM, jm_notguilty wrote:
Obviously, there are probably more or less 100 debates relating to God's existence, different resolutions and different arguments. I've began to be interested in reading and learning some facts.

My first question, assuming someone wants to do another one of these spammy debates, what resolution is more desirable and preferable?

Second, which one of these tons of debates is your favorite or the one with the strongest arguments affirming and negating the existence of God?

Thanks.

Which "God" are we talking about? Please define.
ApostateAbe
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12/9/2011 10:02:05 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/8/2011 12:12:50 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 12/7/2011 11:21:02 PM, ApostateAbe wrote:
At 12/7/2011 11:33:58 AM, jm_notguilty wrote:
Obviously, there are probably more or less 100 debates relating to God's existence, different resolutions and different arguments. I've began to be interested in reading and learning some facts.

My first question, assuming someone wants to do another one of these spammy debates, what resolution is more desirable and preferable?

I think more focus is better. It is a very big topic, and you don't want the debate branching out too much.

Good: "Irreducible complexity of the bacterial flagellum is a strong argument for the existence of an intelligent designer of life."

Bad: "God exists."

That is not a fair resolution. You can use that as an argument in the "God exists" debate, but that is too specific.
How is it not fair?
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12/9/2011 10:54:17 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
I like specific. You can deal with specific in a three round debate. For a broad topic like, "God Exists," I prefer an unstructured one-on-one discussion thread.
RoyLatham
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12/14/2011 8:47:53 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
I agree with the "narrow topic" approach.

For example, the Argument from Evil is:
"If an omniscient, omnipotent, and good god existed, the world would have less suffering than it does."

The argument from Non-belief is, roughly:
"If belief were necessary for salvation, God would not leave atheists in doubt."

For narrow topics, it's best to search for the classic formulation of the resolution to avoid simple semantic errors.