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Mr.Infidel
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12/29/2011 3:06:27 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
In the Book of Matthew, it plainly states that the Temple was torn apart and the righteous Jews rose from the dead. This is plainly to appeal to the Jewish people who "believe with perfect faith that the dead will rise." I had an interesting phone conversation with Matt Slick of the Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry and he confirmed that there is absolutely no outside evidence for this event to have taken place. The question is: why not? NONE of the other gospels mention it--not even once. This should cast doubts on the historical part of it.
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Gileandos
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12/29/2011 3:26:38 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/29/2011 3:06:27 PM, Mr.Infidel wrote:
In the Book of Matthew, it plainly states that the Temple was torn apart and the righteous Jews rose from the dead. This is plainly to appeal to the Jewish people who "believe with perfect faith that the dead will rise." I had an interesting phone conversation with Matt Slick of the Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry and he confirmed that there is absolutely no outside evidence for this event to have taken place. The question is: why not? NONE of the other gospels mention it--not even once. This should cast doubts on the historical part of it.

This is very cool story.

When we review several of the accounts in the Bible we approach the concept with key background information.

1: There are several resusitations recorded in the Bible.
2: With God it is quite plausible.
3: With the advent of the resurrection of Jesus one could imagine God doing it with a "bang".
4: Matthew was recorded for specifically the Jews and would have recorded a well known event.
5: The other Gospels were brief in their accounts of post resurrection events to begin with but all theologians realize they claim many other miracles happened that were not recorded in their Gospels. (Specifically pointed out by the Gospel of John)
6: We look to the conversion of the 3000+ Jews within one single day as he reminds them of the events that occurred surrounding Jesus' death, burial and resurrection.
Such a key number would be followed from massive miracles like Matthew records.
7: The powers in charge typically did not record "victories" or positive arguments of its enemies. (Example the battle of tours, Hezekiah's victory)

So we see no reason to toss out the recorded event, if you already believe it was possible, done at other times, and believe in all the other miracles that have not been recorded by other authors.

I firmly believe in the visions of Jesus even though only Christians record visions of Jesus. I happen to have met him myself.

We all assert a personal experience with God as a source of conversion for those that seek.

So there are many reasons for Christians to trust these accounts, though no Christians cite this story as conversion evidence for the atheist or agnostic.
MyVoiceInYourHead
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12/29/2011 3:36:44 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/29/2011 3:06:27 PM, Mr.Infidel wrote:
In the Book of Matthew, it plainly states that the Temple was torn apart and the righteous Jews rose from the dead. This is plainly to appeal to the Jewish people who "believe with perfect faith that the dead will rise." I had an interesting phone conversation with Matt Slick of the Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry and he confirmed that there is absolutely no outside evidence for this event to have taken place. The question is: why not? NONE of the other gospels mention it--not even once. This should cast doubts on the historical part of it.

This is one of the most absurd and unbelievable miracles in the gospels. Worthy of Shaun of the Dead. And there was an earthquake apparently. Matthew's quite keen on them. There was another dramatic earthquake that accompanied the rolling away of Jesus' tombstone which nobody else noticed or bothered to comment on. That's sloppy journalism.
Gileandos
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12/29/2011 3:43:55 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/29/2011 3:36:44 PM, MyVoiceInYourHead wrote:
At 12/29/2011 3:06:27 PM, Mr.Infidel wrote:
In the Book of Matthew, it plainly states that the Temple was torn apart and the righteous Jews rose from the dead. This is plainly to appeal to the Jewish people who "believe with perfect faith that the dead will rise." I had an interesting phone conversation with Matt Slick of the Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry and he confirmed that there is absolutely no outside evidence for this event to have taken place. The question is: why not? NONE of the other gospels mention it--not even once. This should cast doubts on the historical part of it.

This is one of the most absurd and unbelievable miracles in the gospels. Worthy of Shaun of the Dead. And there was an earthquake apparently. Matthew's quite keen on them. There was another dramatic earthquake that accompanied the rolling away of Jesus' tombstone which nobody else noticed or bothered to comment on. That's sloppy journalism.

Equating Christian recordings with shaun of the dead is a misleading vividness fallacy. It does not make your position stronger.

We continue to rediscover through science validation for the signs in the heavens which were absolutely recorded. The localized claims could bear out equally true.
We simply wait.

You point to a few, which we do not know if they were recorded and simply lost.

This short film lays out what we know that Keppler was looking for. It is now quite in support of the celestial claims we did not have for 2000 years.