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1/9/2012 10:03:14 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Hell is theologically impossible if God is omnipotent.

Definition of omnipotent. ----- Having virtually unlimited authority or influence.

Definition of influence. ---- The act or power of producing an effect without apparent exertion of force or direct exercise of command. The power or capacity of causing an effect in indirect or intangible ways: sway. IOW, unlimited powers of persuasion.
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2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
----------------------------------------------------

When we die, believers believe that we will face a God who is said to have infinite persuasive powers and influence on the conditions of our consciousness. This power would overwhelm any reluctance for any non-believers who were not sure of God's existence before death. For the first time, this is when full disclosure answers all questions that have prevented non-believers from believing in God.

All then would come to repentance and be saved.

Given this theology, hell would become a construct without purpose or inhabitants.

That would make Bishop Spong correct in his view.

Why then would the Church invent the concept of hell?

By doing so, the Church ignores God's omnipotence and causes God to back slide from his position of master of all time and space, to the master of just some. He would not be master of those in hell. It can be argued that God could destroy those souls but that just makes him a destroyer and not master which is his ultimate goal or intent for all souls.

Do you recognize the huge power of God's persuasive powers that would negate or deal with any objection that the non-believer would have for his non-belief?

Do you recognize that none would choose hell and that it is therefore not required and that God would not cause his back slide by creating it?

Regards
DL

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1/11/2012 5:14:23 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/9/2012 10:03:14 AM, GreatestIam wrote:
Hell is theologically impossible if God is omnipotent.

Definition of omnipotent. ----- Having virtually unlimited authority or influence.

The word omnipotent is found nowhere in the Bible; it is a self refuting word as if something is not possible then there cannot be omnipotence.

Definition of influence. ---- The act or power of producing an effect without apparent exertion of force or direct exercise of command. The power or capacity of causing an effect in indirect or intangible ways: sway. IOW, unlimited powers of persuasion.
-------------------------------------------------
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
----------------------------------------------------

When we die, believers believe that we will face a God who is said to have infinite persuasive powers and influence on the conditions of our consciousness. This power would overwhelm any reluctance for any non-believers who were not sure of God's existence before death. For the first time, this is when full disclosure answers all questions that have prevented non-believers from believing in God.

God has given us freewill to choose to delude ourselves, and He will not invade that freedom:

2 Peter 3:3-5
Above all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. 4 They will say, "Where is this ‘coming' he promised? Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation." 5 But they deliberately forget that long ago by God's word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed out of water and by water.
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All then would come to repentance and be saved.

Given this theology, hell would become a construct without purpose or inhabitants.

That would make Bishop Spong correct in his view.



Why then would the Church invent the concept of hell?

The church did not invent it, the concept of hell is in the OT and the NT; no one spoke of it more than Jesus Himself!

By doing so, the Church ignores God's omnipotence and causes God to back slide from his position of master of all time and space, to the master of just some. He would not be master of those in hell. It can be argued that God could destroy those souls but that just makes him a destroyer and not master which is his ultimate goal or intent for all souls.

Do you recognize the huge power of God's persuasive powers that would negate or deal with any objection that the non-believer would have for his non-belief?

Do you recognize that none would choose hell and that it is therefore not required and that God would not cause his back slide by creating it?

Regards
DL



http://en.wikipedia.org...

Heaven and hell are before us all the time, everyday; it is the LITTLE THINGS! (there's NOTHING bigger!) the little deceptions, the evil thoughts etc..
The Cross.. the Cross.
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1/11/2012 7:24:51 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/11/2012 5:14:23 AM, DATCMOTO wrote:
At 1/9/2012 10:03:14 AM, GreatestIam wrote:
Hell is theologically impossible if God is omnipotent.

Definition of omnipotent. ----- Having virtually unlimited authority or influence.

The word omnipotent is found nowhere in the Bible; it is a self refuting word as if something is not possible then there cannot be omnipotence.

Ok.
Revelation 19:6
And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.


Definition of influence. ---- The act or power of producing an effect without apparent exertion of force or direct exercise of command. The power or capacity of causing an effect in indirect or intangible ways: sway. IOW, unlimited powers of persuasion.
-------------------------------------------------
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
----------------------------------------------------

When we die, believers believe that we will face a God who is said to have infinite persuasive powers and influence on the conditions of our consciousness. This power would overwhelm any reluctance for any non-believers who were not sure of God's existence before death. For the first time, this is when full disclosure answers all questions that have prevented non-believers from believing in God.

God has given us freewill to choose to delude ourselves, and He will not invade that freedom:

Ok.
These also must be lies and the prophets were deluding themselves.

Now, therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee.
1Kings 22:23

Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets.
2 Chron 18:22

Ah, Lord GOD! surely thou hast greatly deceived this people.
Jer 4:10

O Lord, thou hast deceived me, and I was deceived.
Jer 20:7

And if a prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet.
Ezekiel 14:9

For this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.
Thessalonians 2:11
:

2 Peter 3:3-5
Above all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. 4 They will say, "Where is this ‘coming' he promised? Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation." 5 But they deliberately forget that long ago by God's word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed out of water and by water. :

All then would come to repentance and be saved.

Given this theology, hell would become a construct without purpose or inhabitants.

That would make Bishop Spong correct in his view.



Why then would the Church invent the concept of hell?

The church did not invent it, the concept of hell is in the OT and the NT; no one spoke of it more than Jesus Himself!

Sure, the N T Jesus, meek and mild who would not even stone a prostitute would promote ever lasting torture.
He must be by-polar as nowhere in the O T is a reference made to ever lasting torture.
If you know it is there then please show chapter and verse.
:

By doing so, the Church ignores God's omnipotence and causes God to back slide from his position of master of all time and space, to the master of just some. He would not be master of those in hell. It can be argued that God could destroy those souls but that just makes him a destroyer and not master which is his ultimate goal or intent for all souls.

Do you recognize the huge power of God's persuasive powers that would negate or deal with any objection that the non-believer would have for his non-belief?

Do you recognize that none would choose hell and that it is therefore not required and that God would not cause his back slide by creating it?

Regards
DL



http://en.wikipedia.org...

Heaven and hell are before us all the time, everyday; it is the LITTLE THINGS! (there's NOTHING bigger!) the little deceptions, the evil thoughts etc..

Make up your mind. Did Jesus promote the notion of everlasting torture of not?

Regards
DL
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1/12/2012 3:16:25 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/11/2012 7:24:51 PM, GreatestIam wrote:
At 1/11/2012 5:14:23 AM, DATCMOTO wrote:
At 1/9/2012 10:03:14 AM, GreatestIam wrote:
Hell is theologically impossible if God is omnipotent.

Definition of omnipotent. ----- Having virtually unlimited authority or influence.

The word omnipotent is found nowhere in the Bible; it is a self refuting word as if something is not possible then there cannot be omnipotence.

Ok.
Revelation 19:6
And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.


Well, I never knew that! I'm an NIV man myself.. My point still stands that you are refuting the term not God.
Definition of influence. ---- The act or power of producing an effect without apparent exertion of force or direct exercise of command. The power or capacity of causing an effect in indirect or intangible ways: sway. IOW, unlimited powers of persuasion.
-------------------------------------------------
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
----------------------------------------------------

When we die, believers believe that we will face a God who is said to have infinite persuasive powers and influence on the conditions of our consciousness. This power would overwhelm any reluctance for any non-believers who were not sure of God's existence before death. For the first time, this is when full disclosure answers all questions that have prevented non-believers from believing in God.

God has given us freewill to choose to delude ourselves, and He will not invade that freedom:

Ok.
These also must be lies and the prophets were deluding themselves.

Now, therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee.
1Kings 22:23

Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets.
2 Chron 18:22

Ah, Lord GOD! surely thou hast greatly deceived this people.
Jer 4:10

O Lord, thou hast deceived me, and I was deceived.
Jer 20:7

And if a prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet.
Ezekiel 14:9

For this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.
Thessalonians 2:11
:

2 Peter 3:3-5
Above all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. 4 They will say, "Where is this ‘coming' he promised? Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation." 5 But they deliberately forget that long ago by God's word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed out of water and by water. :

All then would come to repentance and be saved.

Given this theology, hell would become a construct without purpose or inhabitants.

That would make Bishop Spong correct in his view.



Why then would the Church invent the concept of hell?

The church did not invent it, the concept of hell is in the OT and the NT; no one spoke of it more than Jesus Himself!

Sure, the N T Jesus, meek and mild who would not even stone a prostitute would promote ever lasting torture.
He must be by-polar as nowhere in the O T is a reference made to ever lasting torture.
If you know it is there then please show chapter and verse.
:

By doing so, the Church ignores God's omnipotence and causes God to back slide from his position of master of all time and space, to the master of just some. He would not be master of those in hell. It can be argued that God could destroy those souls but that just makes him a destroyer and not master which is his ultimate goal or intent for all souls.

Do you recognize the huge power of God's persuasive powers that would negate or deal with any objection that the non-believer would have for his non-belief?

Do you recognize that none would choose hell and that it is therefore not required and that God would not cause his back slide by creating it?

Regards
DL



http://en.wikipedia.org...

Heaven and hell are before us all the time, everyday; it is the LITTLE THINGS! (there's NOTHING bigger!) the little deceptions, the evil thoughts etc..

Make up your mind. Did Jesus promote the notion of everlasting torture of not?

Regards
DL


No, Jesus came to SAVE us from everlasting destruction..

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son!
The Cross.. the Cross.
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1/12/2012 4:31:03 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/12/2012 3:16:25 PM, DATCMOTO wrote:
At 1/11/2012 7:24:51 PM, GreatestIam wrote:
At 1/11/2012 5:14:23 AM, DATCMOTO wrote:
At 1/9/2012 10:03:14 AM, GreatestIam wrote:
Hell is theologically impossible if God is omnipotent.

Definition of omnipotent. ----- Having virtually unlimited authority or influence.

The word omnipotent is found nowhere in the Bible; it is a self refuting word as if something is not possible then there cannot be omnipotence.

Ok.
Revelation 19:6
And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.


Well, I never knew that! I'm an NIV man myself.. My point still stands that you are refuting the term not God.
Definition of influence. ---- The act or power of producing an effect without apparent exertion of force or direct exercise of command. The power or capacity of causing an effect in indirect or intangible ways: sway. IOW, unlimited powers of persuasion.
-------------------------------------------------
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
----------------------------------------------------

When we die, believers believe that we will face a God who is said to have infinite persuasive powers and influence on the conditions of our consciousness. This power would overwhelm any reluctance for any non-believers who were not sure of God's existence before death. For the first time, this is when full disclosure answers all questions that have prevented non-believers from believing in God.

God has given us freewill to choose to delude ourselves, and He will not invade that freedom:

Ok.
These also must be lies and the prophets were deluding themselves.

Now, therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee.
1Kings 22:23

Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets.
2 Chron 18:22

Ah, Lord GOD! surely thou hast greatly deceived this people.
Jer 4:10

O Lord, thou hast deceived me, and I was deceived.
Jer 20:7

And if a prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet.
Ezekiel 14:9

For this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.
Thessalonians 2:11
:

2 Peter 3:3-5
Above all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. 4 They will say, "Where is this ‘coming' he promised? Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation." 5 But they deliberately forget that long ago by God's word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed out of water and by water. :

All then would come to repentance and be saved.

Given this theology, hell would become a construct without purpose or inhabitants.

That would make Bishop Spong correct in his view.



Why then would the Church invent the concept of hell?

The church did not invent it, the concept of hell is in the OT and the NT; no one spoke of it more than Jesus Himself!

Sure, the N T Jesus, meek and mild who would not even stone a prostitute would promote ever lasting torture.
He must be by-polar as nowhere in the O T is a reference made to ever lasting torture.
If you know it is there then please show chapter and verse.
:

By doing so, the Church ignores God's omnipotence and causes God to back slide from his position of master of all time and space, to the master of just some. He would not be master of those in hell. It can be argued that God could destroy those souls but that just makes him a destroyer and not master which is his ultimate goal or intent for all souls.

Do you recognize the huge power of God's persuasive powers that would negate or deal with any objection that the non-believer would have for his non-belief?

Do you recognize that none would choose hell and that it is therefore not required and that God would not cause his back slide by creating it?

Regards
DL



http://en.wikipedia.org...

Heaven and hell are before us all the time, everyday; it is the LITTLE THINGS! (there's NOTHING bigger!) the little deceptions, the evil thoughts etc..

Make up your mind. Did Jesus promote the notion of everlasting torture of not?

Regards
DL


No, Jesus came to SAVE us from everlasting destruction..

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son!

So god/his son sent god/his son down to earth to save us from god/his son.

My five year old sister could think of a better plot line.
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1/12/2012 4:38:25 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/12/2012 3:16:25 PM, DATCMOTO wrote:
At 1/11/2012 7:24:51 PM, GreatestIam wrote:
At 1/11/2012 5:14:23 AM, DATCMOTO wrote:
At 1/9/2012 10:03:14 AM, GreatestIam wrote:
Hell is theologically impossible if God is omnipotent.

Definition of omnipotent. ----- Having virtually unlimited authority or influence.

The word omnipotent is found nowhere in the Bible; it is a self refuting word as if something is not possible then there cannot be omnipotence.

Ok.
Revelation 19:6
And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.


Well, I never knew that! I'm an NIV man myself.. My point still stands that you are refuting the term not God.
Definition of influence. ---- The act or power of producing an effect without apparent exertion of force or direct exercise of command. The power or capacity of causing an effect in indirect or intangible ways: sway. IOW, unlimited powers of persuasion.
-------------------------------------------------
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
----------------------------------------------------

When we die, believers believe that we will face a God who is said to have infinite persuasive powers and influence on the conditions of our consciousness. This power would overwhelm any reluctance for any non-believers who were not sure of God's existence before death. For the first time, this is when full disclosure answers all questions that have prevented non-believers from believing in God.

God has given us freewill to choose to delude ourselves, and He will not invade that freedom:

Ok.
These also must be lies and the prophets were deluding themselves.

Now, therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee.
1Kings 22:23

Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets.
2 Chron 18:22

Ah, Lord GOD! surely thou hast greatly deceived this people.
Jer 4:10

O Lord, thou hast deceived me, and I was deceived.
Jer 20:7

And if a prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet.
Ezekiel 14:9

For this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.
Thessalonians 2:11
:

2 Peter 3:3-5
Above all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. 4 They will say, "Where is this ‘coming' he promised? Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation." 5 But they deliberately forget that long ago by God's word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed out of water and by water. :

All then would come to repentance and be saved.

Given this theology, hell would become a construct without purpose or inhabitants.

That would make Bishop Spong correct in his view.



Why then would the Church invent the concept of hell?

The church did not invent it, the concept of hell is in the OT and the NT; no one spoke of it more than Jesus Himself!

Sure, the N T Jesus, meek and mild who would not even stone a prostitute would promote ever lasting torture.
He must be by-polar as nowhere in the O T is a reference made to ever lasting torture.
If you know it is there then please show chapter and verse.
:

By doing so, the Church ignores God's omnipotence and causes God to back slide from his position of master of all time and space, to the master of just some. He would not be master of those in hell. It can be argued that God could destroy those souls but that just makes him a destroyer and not master which is his ultimate goal or intent for all souls.

Do you recognize the huge power of God's persuasive powers that would negate or deal with any objection that the non-believer would have for his non-belief?

Do you recognize that none would choose hell and that it is therefore not required and that God would not cause his back slide by creating it?

Regards
DL



http://en.wikipedia.org...

Heaven and hell are before us all the time, everyday; it is the LITTLE THINGS! (there's NOTHING bigger!) the little deceptions, the evil thoughts etc..

Make up your mind. Did Jesus promote the notion of everlasting torture of not?

Regards
DL


No, Jesus came to SAVE us from everlasting destruction..

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son!

So...He created Jesus for the sole purpose of sacrificing him...to Himself? Huh.
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Or any man that breathes on earth.

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1/13/2012 7:23:04 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/12/2012 3:16:25 PM, DATCMOTO wrote:
At 1/11/2012 7:24:51 PM, GreatestIam wrote:

No, Jesus came to SAVE us from everlasting destruction..

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son!

God may have loved the world but he must have hated his own son to plan his murder even before creating mankind.

If God loved his son, he would have done the right thing and stepped up himself instead of making Jesus a ransom.

If you were God and thought a death was required, would you send your son or would you do the right thing and step up yourself?

After all, it is only a temporary death. Nothing at all really.

Regards
DL

Regards
DL
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1/14/2012 2:12:47 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/12/2012 4:31:03 PM, Physik wrote:
At 1/12/2012 3:16:25 PM, DATCMOTO wrote:
At 1/11/2012 7:24:51 PM, GreatestIam wrote:
At 1/11/2012 5:14:23 AM, DATCMOTO wrote:
At 1/9/2012 10:03:14 AM, GreatestIam wrote:
Hell is theologically impossible if God is omnipotent.

Definition of omnipotent. ----- Having virtually unlimited authority or influence.

The word omnipotent is found nowhere in the Bible; it is a self refuting word as if something is not possible then there cannot be omnipotence.

Ok.
Revelation 19:6
And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.


Well, I never knew that! I'm an NIV man myself.. My point still stands that you are refuting the term not God.
Definition of influence. ---- The act or power of producing an effect without apparent exertion of force or direct exercise of command. The power or capacity of causing an effect in indirect or intangible ways: sway. IOW, unlimited powers of persuasion.
-------------------------------------------------
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
----------------------------------------------------

When we die, believers believe that we will face a God who is said to have infinite persuasive powers and influence on the conditions of our consciousness. This power would overwhelm any reluctance for any non-believers who were not sure of God's existence before death. For the first time, this is when full disclosure answers all questions that have prevented non-believers from believing in God.

God has given us freewill to choose to delude ourselves, and He will not invade that freedom:

Ok.
These also must be lies and the prophets were deluding themselves.

Now, therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee.
1Kings 22:23

Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets.
2 Chron 18:22

Ah, Lord GOD! surely thou hast greatly deceived this people.
Jer 4:10

O Lord, thou hast deceived me, and I was deceived.
Jer 20:7

And if a prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet.
Ezekiel 14:9

For this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.
Thessalonians 2:11
:

2 Peter 3:3-5
Above all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. 4 They will say, "Where is this ‘coming' he promised? Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation." 5 But they deliberately forget that long ago by God's word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed out of water and by water. :

All then would come to repentance and be saved.

Given this theology, hell would become a construct without purpose or inhabitants.

That would make Bishop Spong correct in his view.



Why then would the Church invent the concept of hell?

The church did not invent it, the concept of hell is in the OT and the NT; no one spoke of it more than Jesus Himself!

Sure, the N T Jesus, meek and mild who would not even stone a prostitute would promote ever lasting torture.
He must be by-polar as nowhere in the O T is a reference made to ever lasting torture.
If you know it is there then please show chapter and verse.
:

By doing so, the Church ignores God's omnipotence and causes God to back slide from his position of master of all time and space, to the master of just some. He would not be master of those in hell. It can be argued that God could destroy those souls but that just makes him a destroyer and not master which is his ultimate goal or intent for all souls.

Do you recognize the huge power of God's persuasive powers that would negate or deal with any objection that the non-believer would have for his non-belief?

Do you recognize that none would choose hell and that it is therefore not required and that God would not cause his back slide by creating it?

Regards
DL



http://en.wikipedia.org...

Heaven and hell are before us all the time, everyday; it is the LITTLE THINGS! (there's NOTHING bigger!) the little deceptions, the evil thoughts etc..

Make up your mind. Did Jesus promote the notion of everlasting torture of not?

Regards
DL


No, Jesus came to SAVE us from everlasting destruction..

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son!

So god/his son sent god/his son down to earth to save us from god/his son.

My five year old sister could think of a better plot line.

LMBO that's great imma be laughing at that one for weeks
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1/14/2012 12:03:34 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/12/2012 4:31:03 PM, Physik wrote:
At 1/12/2012 3:16:25 PM, DATCMOTO wrote:
At 1/11/2012 7:24:51 PM, GreatestIam wrote:
At 1/11/2012 5:14:23 AM, DATCMOTO wrote:
At 1/9/2012 10:03:14 AM, GreatestIam wrote:
Hell is theologically impossible if God is omnipotent.

Definition of omnipotent. ----- Having virtually unlimited authority or influence.

The word omnipotent is found nowhere in the Bible; it is a self refuting word as if something is not possible then there cannot be omnipotence.

Ok.
Revelation 19:6
And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.


Well, I never knew that! I'm an NIV man myself.. My point still stands that you are refuting the term not God.
Definition of influence. ---- The act or power of producing an effect without apparent exertion of force or direct exercise of command. The power or capacity of causing an effect in indirect or intangible ways: sway. IOW, unlimited powers of persuasion.
-------------------------------------------------
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
----------------------------------------------------

When we die, believers believe that we will face a God who is said to have infinite persuasive powers and influence on the conditions of our consciousness. This power would overwhelm any reluctance for any non-believers who were not sure of God's existence before death. For the first time, this is when full disclosure answers all questions that have prevented non-believers from believing in God.

God has given us freewill to choose to delude ourselves, and He will not invade that freedom:

Ok.
These also must be lies and the prophets were deluding themselves.

Now, therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee.
1Kings 22:23

Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets.
2 Chron 18:22

Ah, Lord GOD! surely thou hast greatly deceived this people.
Jer 4:10

O Lord, thou hast deceived me, and I was deceived.
Jer 20:7

And if a prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet.
Ezekiel 14:9

For this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.
Thessalonians 2:11
:

2 Peter 3:3-5
Above all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. 4 They will say, "Where is this ‘coming' he promised? Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation." 5 But they deliberately forget that long ago by God's word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed out of water and by water. :

All then would come to repentance and be saved.

Given this theology, hell would become a construct without purpose or inhabitants.

That would make Bishop Spong correct in his view.



Why then would the Church invent the concept of hell?

The church did not invent it, the concept of hell is in the OT and the NT; no one spoke of it more than Jesus Himself!

Sure, the N T Jesus, meek and mild who would not even stone a prostitute would promote ever lasting torture.
He must be by-polar as nowhere in the O T is a reference made to ever lasting torture.
If you know it is there then please show chapter and verse.
:

By doing so, the Church ignores God's omnipotence and causes God to back slide from his position of master of all time and space, to the master of just some. He would not be master of those in hell. It can be argued that God could destroy those souls but that just makes him a destroyer and not master which is his ultimate goal or intent for all souls.

Do you recognize the huge power of God's persuasive powers that would negate or deal with any objection that the non-believer would have for his non-belief?

Do you recognize that none would choose hell and that it is therefore not required and that God would not cause his back slide by creating it?

Regards
DL



http://en.wikipedia.org...

Heaven and hell are before us all the time, everyday; it is the LITTLE THINGS! (there's NOTHING bigger!) the little deceptions, the evil thoughts etc..

Make up your mind. Did Jesus promote the notion of everlasting torture of not?

Regards
DL


No, Jesus came to SAVE us from everlasting destruction..

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son!

So god/his son sent god/his son down to earth to save us from god/his son.

My five year old sister could think of a better plot line.

Well, we must become 'as children' to enter the kingdom of heaven..

But it is erroneous for us to focus on hell and damnation as the theme of the Bible and Christ's teaching is SALVATION!

Omnipotence is a complete misnomer as just because God can do something (make Jews from stones) does not mean He should..
The Cross.. the Cross.
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1/14/2012 12:14:58 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/14/2012 2:12:47 AM, darkman1015 wrote:
At 1/12/2012 4:31:03 PM, Physik wrote:

No, Jesus came to SAVE us from everlasting destruction..

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son!

So god/his son sent god/his son down to earth to save us from god/his son.

My five year old sister could think of a better plot line.

LMBO that's great imma be laughing at that one for weeks

He does have a good way with words.
A good thinker as well.

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DL
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1/14/2012 12:19:59 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/14/2012 12:03:34 PM, DATCMOTO wrote:
At 1/12/2012 4:31:03 PM, Physik wrote:
Well, we must become 'as children' to enter the kingdom of heaven..

But it is erroneous for us to focus on hell and damnation as the theme of the Bible and Christ's teaching is SALVATION!

Omnipotence is a complete misnomer as just because God can do something (make Jews from stones) does not mean He should..

Would it not be better to grow up and become an adult?

1 Corinthians 13:11
When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

Salvation from what?
From being the way your creator God created us?

If you are going to reply with your free will B S, do not bother.

Christians are always trying to absolve God of moral culpability in the fall by whipping out their favorite "free will!", or " it's all man's fault".

That is "God gave us free will and it was our free willed choices that caused our fall. Hence God is not blameworthy."

But this simply avoids God's culpability as the author of Human Nature. Free will is only the ability to choose. It is not an explanation why anyone would want to choose "A" or "B" (bad or good action). An explanation for why Eve would even have the nature of "being vulnerable to being easily swayed by a serpent" and "desiring to eat a forbidden fruit" must lie in the nature God gave Eve in the first place. Hence God is culpable for deliberately making humans with a nature-inclined-to-fall, and "free will" means nothing as a response to this problem.

Regards
DL
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1/14/2012 4:42:07 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/14/2012 12:19:59 PM, GreatestIam wrote:
At 1/14/2012 12:03:34 PM, DATCMOTO wrote:
At 1/12/2012 4:31:03 PM, Physik wrote:
Well, we must become 'as children' to enter the kingdom of heaven..

But it is erroneous for us to focus on hell and damnation as the theme of the Bible and Christ's teaching is SALVATION!

Omnipotence is a complete misnomer as just because God can do something (make Jews from stones) does not mean He should..

Would it not be better to grow up and become an adult?

1 Corinthians 13:11
When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

Salvation from what?
From being the way your creator God created us?

If you are going to reply with your free will B S, do not bother.

Christians are always trying to absolve God of moral culpability in the fall by whipping out their favorite "free will!", or " it's all man's fault".

That is "God gave us free will and it was our free willed choices that caused our fall. Hence God is not blameworthy."

But this simply avoids God's culpability as the author of Human Nature. Free will is only the ability to choose. It is not an explanation why anyone would want to choose "A" or "B" (bad or good action). An explanation for why Eve would even have the nature of "being vulnerable to being easily swayed by a serpent" and "desiring to eat a forbidden fruit" must lie in the nature God gave Eve in the first place. Hence God is culpable for deliberately making humans with a nature-inclined-to-fall, and "free will" means nothing as a response to this problem.

Regards
DL

Ok, I take your point that it is all Gods plan etc.. But again we have to consider the only alternative; because the only person who could not fall would be a begotten Son, God from God, so God would only have created a hall of mirrors.. By this plan He brings unbegotten beings into His presence THRU His only begotten Son!

Also, the elect may bring in the unelected by not judging and the unelected may be brought on by accepting the elected..
The Cross.. the Cross.
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1/16/2012 8:33:49 AM
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The word 'omnipotent' in Revelation comes from the same Greek word that is translated as 'almighty' 9 other times in the NT. Only once is it used as 'omnipotent'.

http://www.biblestudytools.com...

I think the concept of omnipotence is misguided. Omnipotence creates paradoxes, 'most powerful' doesn't.
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1/17/2012 1:41:25 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/16/2012 8:33:49 AM, JaxsonRaine wrote:
The word 'omnipotent' in Revelation comes from the same Greek word that is translated as 'almighty' 9 other times in the NT. Only once is it used as 'omnipotent'.

http://www.biblestudytools.com...

I think the concept of omnipotence is misguided. Omnipotence creates paradoxes, 'most powerful' doesn't.

All things of God create paradoxes. In a sense.

All things of God are speculative nonsense.

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1/17/2012 4:16:08 PM
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At 1/16/2012 7:45:27 AM, GreatestIam wrote:
Thanks for the babble.

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'babble' from Bable, as in tower, as in Babylon..
The Cross.. the Cross.
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1/17/2012 4:19:49 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/17/2012 4:16:08 PM, DATCMOTO wrote:
At 1/16/2012 7:45:27 AM, GreatestIam wrote:
Thanks for the babble.

Regards
DL

'babble' from Bable, as in tower, as in Babylon..

You lost all credibility when you fled the Mormon thread after tyler requested evidence for your nonsensically false claims.
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1/17/2012 7:37:59 PM
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Seems to me that if God used the full extent of his omnipotence on our will to make us follow him it would undermine our free-will. Also I believe that some, even if God were to physically step into their room and conversed with them, would still not put their heart in line with God (follow him). For example the Egyptians that witnessed God by his plagues and even saw him lead the Hebrew nation by a pillar of smoke or fire. Even more fantastically the parting of the Red Sea. The Egyptians had undeniable proof but they, even though they acknowledged his existence, still hated God and the people who followed him.

Also hell wouldn't be empty of inhabitants even if all were saved. As said many times before the intent of hell is fall Satan and his league of fallen angels that chose to follow him.

So it is very possible that God does not give more evidence than he already has. Who are we, finite limited beings, to decide what kind of calling card God should leave. It is very presumptuous of man to assume that we could know what God should or shouldn't do. Also as I was touching on earlier, even if God gave evidence that was undeniable, it doesn't follow that all will submit to him.

Lastly I do recognize that none would choose hell. But hell is not the choice they make. Refusing God is. People focus so much on hating God that they forget it is only a 2 sided choice. They look at God and say I hate you, or you don't exist and so therefore neither does the other choice, but either way a choice has been made.

So no Hell is not theologically impossible.
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1/18/2012 9:07:49 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/17/2012 7:37:59 PM, Crede wrote:
Seems to me that if God used the full extent of his omnipotence on our will to make us follow him it would undermine our free-will. Also I believe that some, even if God were to physically step into their room and conversed with them, would still not put their heart in line with God (follow him). For example the Egyptians that witnessed God by his plagues and even saw him lead the Hebrew nation by a pillar of smoke or fire. Even more fantastically the parting of the Red Sea. The Egyptians had undeniable proof but they, even though they acknowledged his existence, still hated God and the people who followed him.

Also hell wouldn't be empty of inhabitants even if all were saved. As said many times before the intent of hell is fall Satan and his league of fallen angels that chose to follow him.

So it is very possible that God does not give more evidence than he already has. Who are we, finite limited beings, to decide what kind of calling card God should leave. It is very presumptuous of man to assume that we could know what God should or shouldn't do. Also as I was touching on earlier, even if God gave evidence that was undeniable, it doesn't follow that all will submit to him.

Lastly I do recognize that none would choose hell. But hell is not the choice they make. Refusing God is. People focus so much on hating God that they forget it is only a 2 sided choice. They look at God and say I hate you, or you don't exist and so therefore neither does the other choice, but either way a choice has been made.

So no Hell is not theologically impossible.

Do you love your genocidal son murderer?
Why?

Christians are always trying to absolve God of moral culpability in the fall by whipping out their favorite "free will!", or " it's all man's fault".

That is "God gave us free will and it was our free willed choices that caused our fall. Hence God is not blameworthy."

But this simply avoids God's culpability as the author of Human Nature. Free will is only the ability to choose. It is not an explanation why anyone would want to choose "A" or "B" (bad or good action). An explanation for why Eve would even have the nature of "being vulnerable to being easily swayed by a serpent" and "desiring to eat a forbidden fruit" must lie in the nature God gave Eve in the first place. Hence God is culpable for deliberately making humans with a nature-inclined-to-fall, and "free will" means nothing as a response to this problem.

You might also remember that every time God kills one of us, he is ignoring the free will that you say he respects.

Think again for the first time.

Regards
DL
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1/18/2012 9:43:48 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/9/2012 10:03:14 AM, GreatestIam wrote:
Hell is theologically impossible if God is omnipotent.

Definition of omnipotent. ----- Having virtually unlimited authority or influence.

Definition of influence. ---- The act or power of producing an effect without apparent exertion of force or direct exercise of command. The power or capacity of causing an effect in indirect or intangible ways: sway. IOW, unlimited powers of persuasion.
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2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
----------------------------------------------------

When we die, believers believe that we will face a God who is said to have infinite persuasive powers and influence on the conditions of our consciousness. This power would overwhelm any reluctance for any non-believers who were not sure of God's existence before death. For the first time, this is when full disclosure answers all questions that have prevented non-believers from believing in God.

All then would come to repentance and be saved.

Given this theology, hell would become a construct without purpose or inhabitants.

That would make Bishop Spong correct in his view.



Why then would the Church invent the concept of hell?

By doing so, the Church ignores God's omnipotence and causes God to back slide from his position of master of all time and space, to the master of just some. He would not be master of those in hell. It can be argued that God could destroy those souls but that just makes him a destroyer and not master which is his ultimate goal or intent for all souls.

Do you recognize the huge power of God's persuasive powers that would negate or deal with any objection that the non-believer would have for his non-belief?

Do you recognize that none would choose hell and that it is therefore not required and that God would not cause his back slide by creating it?

Regards
DL



http://en.wikipedia.org...

This is one reason why Arminianism simply does not make sense given the whole context of scripture. If you take the doctrine of hell from a Calvinists viewpoint it makes perfect sense. Btw its been a long time. Good to see you guys and happy new year!
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1/18/2012 7:16:36 PM
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At 1/18/2012 9:07:49 AM, GreatestIam wrote:
At 1/17/2012 7:37:59 PM, Crede wrote:
Seems to me that if God used the full extent of his omnipotence on our will to make us follow him it would undermine our free-will. Also I believe that some, even if God were to physically step into their room and conversed with them, would still not put their heart in line with God (follow him). For example the Egyptians that witnessed God by his plagues and even saw him lead the Hebrew nation by a pillar of smoke or fire. Even more fantastically the parting of the Red Sea. The Egyptians had undeniable proof but they, even though they acknowledged his existence, still hated God and the people who followed him.

Also hell wouldn't be empty of inhabitants even if all were saved. As said many times before the intent of hell is fall Satan and his league of fallen angels that chose to follow him.

So it is very possible that God does not give more evidence than he already has. Who are we, finite limited beings, to decide what kind of calling card God should leave. It is very presumptuous of man to assume that we could know what God should or shouldn't do. Also as I was touching on earlier, even if God gave evidence that was undeniable, it doesn't follow that all will submit to him.

Lastly I do recognize that none would choose hell. But hell is not the choice they make. Refusing God is. People focus so much on hating God that they forget it is only a 2 sided choice. They look at God and say I hate you, or you don't exist and so therefore neither does the other choice, but either way a choice has been made.

So no Hell is not theologically impossible.

Do you love your genocidal son murderer?
Why?

Christians are always trying to absolve God of moral culpability in the fall by whipping out their favorite "free will!", or " it's all man's fault".

That is "God gave us free will and it was our free willed choices that caused our fall. Hence God is not blameworthy."

But this simply avoids God's culpability as the author of Human Nature. Free will is only the ability to choose. It is not an explanation why anyone would want to choose "A" or "B" (bad or good action). An explanation for why Eve would even have the nature of "being vulnerable to being easily swayed by a serpent" and "desiring to eat a forbidden fruit" must lie in the nature God gave Eve in the first place. Hence God is culpable for deliberately making humans with a nature-inclined-to-fall, and "free will" means nothing as a response to this problem.

You might also remember that every time God kills one of us, he is ignoring the free will that you say he respects.

Think again for the first time.

Regards
DL

Stating how we can't know all the factors in why someone would choose A over B does not logically conclude that God made them that way. Again if God made them to choose a certain choice then it's not free will. God gave Eve, or anybody the ability to choose. Why we choose what we choose is our own convictions, or denying of them.

Now as for God killing someone, what does that have to do with free-will? Does everybody choose how they will die or when? Also if God has the foreknowledge of that persons choices in the future and knows that person will never choose God, then if your referring to their free-will to eventually be saved it is unjustified.

Why do you result to insults? Throwing out emotionally based arguments backed up with an insult does nothing to your credibility.
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1/18/2012 8:10:51 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/18/2012 7:16:36 PM, Crede wrote:
At 1/18/2012 9:07:49 AM, GreatestIam wrote:
At 1/17/2012 7:37:59 PM, Crede wrote:
Seems to me that if God used the full extent of his omnipotence on our will to make us follow him it would undermine our free-will. Also I believe that some, even if God were to physically step into their room and conversed with them, would still not put their heart in line with God (follow him). For example the Egyptians that witnessed God by his plagues and even saw him lead the Hebrew nation by a pillar of smoke or fire. Even more fantastically the parting of the Red Sea. The Egyptians had undeniable proof but they, even though they acknowledged his existence, still hated God and the people who followed him.

Also hell wouldn't be empty of inhabitants even if all were saved. As said many times before the intent of hell is fall Satan and his league of fallen angels that chose to follow him.

So it is very possible that God does not give more evidence than he already has. Who are we, finite limited beings, to decide what kind of calling card God should leave. It is very presumptuous of man to assume that we could know what God should or shouldn't do. Also as I was touching on earlier, even if God gave evidence that was undeniable, it doesn't follow that all will submit to him.

Lastly I do recognize that none would choose hell. But hell is not the choice they make. Refusing God is. People focus so much on hating God that they forget it is only a 2 sided choice. They look at God and say I hate you, or you don't exist and so therefore neither does the other choice, but either way a choice has been made.

So no Hell is not theologically impossible.

Do you love your genocidal son murderer?
Why?

Christians are always trying to absolve God of moral culpability in the fall by whipping out their favorite "free will!", or " it's all man's fault".

That is "God gave us free will and it was our free willed choices that caused our fall. Hence God is not blameworthy."

But this simply avoids God's culpability as the author of Human Nature. Free will is only the ability to choose. It is not an explanation why anyone would want to choose "A" or "B" (bad or good action). An explanation for why Eve would even have the nature of "being vulnerable to being easily swayed by a serpent" and "desiring to eat a forbidden fruit" must lie in the nature God gave Eve in the first place. Hence God is culpable for deliberately making humans with a nature-inclined-to-fall, and "free will" means nothing as a response to this problem.

You might also remember that every time God kills one of us, he is ignoring the free will that you say he respects.

Think again for the first time.

Regards
DL

Stating how we can't know all the factors in why someone would choose A over B does not logically conclude that God made them that way. Again if God made them to choose a certain choice then it's not free will. God gave Eve, or anybody the ability to choose. Why we choose what we choose is our own convictions, or denying of them.

Now as for God killing someone, what does that have to do with free-will? Does everybody choose how they will die or when? Also if God has the foreknowledge of that persons choices in the future and knows that person will never choose God, then if your referring to their free-will to eventually be saved it is unjustified.

Why do you result to insults? Throwing out emotionally based arguments backed up with an insult does nothing to your credibility.

You make it sound as if Jesus was plan B?
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1/19/2012 10:01:07 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/18/2012 7:16:36 PM, Crede wrote:

Stating how we can't know all the factors in why someone would choose A over B does not logically conclude that God made them that way. Again if God made them to choose a certain choice then it's not free will. God gave Eve, or anybody the ability to choose. Why we choose what we choose is our own convictions, or denying of them.

Now as for God killing someone, what does that have to do with free-will? Does everybody choose how they will die or when? Also if God has the foreknowledge of that persons choices in the future and knows that person will never choose God, then if your referring to their free-will to eventually be saved it is unjustified.

Why do you result to insults? Throwing out emotionally based arguments backed up with an insult does nothing to your credibility.

Because pathetic literalists minds deserve it because you invent your omnimax God as you go.

If you cannot see that killing someone definitely affects and negates their free will then we are done here.

If your God had foreknowledge of everything as you imagine, then how or why would he let himself back himself into a corner where he would have to repent for creating mankind?

Regards
DL
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1/19/2012 10:31:24 AM
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At 1/19/2012 10:01:07 AM, GreatestIam wrote:
At 1/18/2012 7:16:36 PM, Crede wrote:

Stating how we can't know all the factors in why someone would choose A over B does not logically conclude that God made them that way. Again if God made them to choose a certain choice then it's not free will. God gave Eve, or anybody the ability to choose. Why we choose what we choose is our own convictions, or denying of them.

Now as for God killing someone, what does that have to do with free-will? Does everybody choose how they will die or when? Also if God has the foreknowledge of that persons choices in the future and knows that person will never choose God, then if your referring to their free-will to eventually be saved it is unjustified.

Why do you result to insults? Throwing out emotionally based arguments backed up with an insult does nothing to your credibility.

Because pathetic literalists minds deserve it because you invent your omnimax God as you go.

If you cannot see that killing someone definitely affects and negates their free will then we are done here.

If your God had foreknowledge of everything as you imagine, then how or why would he let himself back himself into a corner where he would have to repent for creating mankind?

Regards
DL

How does God ending the life of someone negate free will? We do not have absolute control over our lives. We never really chooses when they live or die. And God didn't have to repent for anything. Where does it say that he did?
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1/19/2012 12:40:21 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/19/2012 10:31:24 AM, johnnyboy54 wrote:
At 1/19/2012 10:01:07 AM, GreatestIam wrote:
At 1/18/2012 7:16:36 PM, Crede wrote:

Stating how we can't know all the factors in why someone would choose A over B does not logically conclude that God made them that way. Again if God made them to choose a certain choice then it's not free will. God gave Eve, or anybody the ability to choose. Why we choose what we choose is our own convictions, or denying of them.

Now as for God killing someone, what does that have to do with free-will? Does everybody choose how they will die or when? Also if God has the foreknowledge of that persons choices in the future and knows that person will never choose God, then if your referring to their free-will to eventually be saved it is unjustified.

Why do you result to insults? Throwing out emotionally based arguments backed up with an insult does nothing to your credibility.

Because pathetic literalists minds deserve it because you invent your omnimax God as you go.

If you cannot see that killing someone definitely affects and negates their free will then we are done here.

If your God had foreknowledge of everything as you imagine, then how or why would he let himself back himself into a corner where he would have to repent for creating mankind?

Regards
DL

How does God ending the life of someone negate free will? We do not have absolute control over our lives. We never really chooses when they live or die. And God didn't have to repent for anything. Where does it say that he did?

Does your free will not choose life over death?
Would God not be ignoring it if he killed you?

As to God repenting, Google it. Much will be shown.

Regards
DL
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1/19/2012 12:41:57 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/9/2012 10:03:14 AM, GreatestIam wrote:
Hell is theologically impossible if God is omnipotent.

Definition of omnipotent. ----- Having virtually unlimited authority or influence.

Definition of influence. ---- The act or power of producing an effect without apparent exertion of force or direct exercise of command. The power or capacity of causing an effect in indirect or intangible ways: sway. IOW, unlimited powers of persuasion.
-------------------------------------------------
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
----------------------------------------------------

When we die, believers believe that we will face a God who is said to have infinite persuasive powers and influence on the conditions of our consciousness. This power would overwhelm any reluctance for any non-believers who were not sure of God's existence before death. For the first time, this is when full disclosure answers all questions that have prevented non-believers from believing in God.

All then would come to repentance and be saved.

Given this theology, hell would become a construct without purpose or inhabitants.

That would make Bishop Spong correct in his view.



Why then would the Church invent the concept of hell?

By doing so, the Church ignores God's omnipotence and causes God to back slide from his position of master of all time and space, to the master of just some. He would not be master of those in hell. It can be argued that God could destroy those souls but that just makes him a destroyer and not master which is his ultimate goal or intent for all souls.

Do you recognize the huge power of God's persuasive powers that would negate or deal with any objection that the non-believer would have for his non-belief?

Do you recognize that none would choose hell and that it is therefore not required and that God would not cause his back slide by creating it?

Regards
DL



http://en.wikipedia.org...

Have you ever been to the Catacombs and walked through its corridors ?
Have you ever been to Black Mountain in Australia ?
Have you ever been to the Forest Of Death in China ?

If not, then I suggest you do so. Then come back and tell me that Hell does not
exist.