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2/24/2012 9:06:15 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Tell me after hearing this speech that Rick Santorum isn't on a modern crusade to, and I quote, "educate, engage,evaluate and eradicate" Islam.
Everything he says just wreaks of ignorance and mis-information.
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2/24/2012 9:20:11 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/24/2012 9:06:15 PM, lewis20 wrote:
Tell me after hearing this speech that Rick Santorum isn't on a modern crusade to, and I quote, "educate, engage,evaluate and eradicate" Islam.
Everything he says just wreaks of ignorance and mis-information.



Nothing about his statements were inaccurate. Did you miss the context of reforming Islam to eliminate the radicals and Sharia?
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2/24/2012 9:25:24 PM
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At 2/24/2012 9:20:11 PM, Gileandos wrote:
Nothing about his statements were inaccurate. Did you miss the context of reforming Islam to eliminate the radicals and Sharia?

Is there battle between Christians and Muslims?
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2/24/2012 9:28:05 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/24/2012 9:25:24 PM, lewis20 wrote:
At 2/24/2012 9:20:11 PM, Gileandos wrote:
Nothing about his statements were inaccurate. Did you miss the context of reforming Islam to eliminate the radicals and Sharia?

Is there battle between Christians and Muslims?

Radical Islamists are vs all of us, so indirectly yes.
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2/24/2012 9:29:31 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/24/2012 9:28:05 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 2/24/2012 9:25:24 PM, lewis20 wrote:
At 2/24/2012 9:20:11 PM, Gileandos wrote:
Nothing about his statements were inaccurate. Did you miss the context of reforming Islam to eliminate the radicals and Sharia?

Is there battle between Christians and Muslims?

Radical Islamists are vs all of us, so indirectly yes.

Also historically there was a back and forth.
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2/24/2012 9:31:18 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/24/2012 9:28:05 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 2/24/2012 9:25:24 PM, lewis20 wrote:
At 2/24/2012 9:20:11 PM, Gileandos wrote:
Nothing about his statements were inaccurate. Did you miss the context of reforming Islam to eliminate the radicals and Sharia?

Is there battle between Christians and Muslims?

Radical Islamists are vs all of us, so indirectly yes.

He's not talking about only Radical Islam.
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2/24/2012 9:35:17 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/24/2012 9:28:05 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 2/24/2012 9:25:24 PM, lewis20 wrote:
At 2/24/2012 9:20:11 PM, Gileandos wrote:
Nothing about his statements were inaccurate. Did you miss the context of reforming Islam to eliminate the radicals and Sharia?

Is there battle between Christians and Muslims?

Radical Islamists are vs all of us, so indirectly yes.

Also on that point, by all of us you mean Americans right? They hate us because we are free and let women drive right?
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2/24/2012 9:37:50 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/24/2012 9:35:17 PM, lewis20 wrote:
At 2/24/2012 9:28:05 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 2/24/2012 9:25:24 PM, lewis20 wrote:
At 2/24/2012 9:20:11 PM, Gileandos wrote:
Nothing about his statements were inaccurate. Did you miss the context of reforming Islam to eliminate the radicals and Sharia?

Is there battle between Christians and Muslims?

Radical Islamists are vs all of us, so indirectly yes.

Also on that point, by all of us you mean Americans right? They hate us because we are free and let women drive right?

They hate everyone...
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2/24/2012 9:38:59 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/24/2012 9:31:18 PM, lewis20 wrote:
At 2/24/2012 9:28:05 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 2/24/2012 9:25:24 PM, lewis20 wrote:
At 2/24/2012 9:20:11 PM, Gileandos wrote:
Nothing about his statements were inaccurate. Did you miss the context of reforming Islam to eliminate the radicals and Sharia?

Is there battle between Christians and Muslims?

Radical Islamists are vs all of us, so indirectly yes.

He's not talking about only Radical Islam.

Yes he is in this video and context. That is not to say he would not love to evangelize them.
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2/24/2012 9:40:14 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/24/2012 9:37:50 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 2/24/2012 9:35:17 PM, lewis20 wrote:
At 2/24/2012 9:28:05 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 2/24/2012 9:25:24 PM, lewis20 wrote:
At 2/24/2012 9:20:11 PM, Gileandos wrote:
Nothing about his statements were inaccurate. Did you miss the context of reforming Islam to eliminate the radicals and Sharia?

Is there battle between Christians and Muslims?

Radical Islamists are vs all of us, so indirectly yes.

Also on that point, by all of us you mean Americans right? They hate us because we are free and let women drive right?

They hate everyone...

So radicalized Muslims hate everyone?
Not more specifically an occupier of their countries and killer of their peoples?
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2/24/2012 9:43:16 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/24/2012 9:38:59 PM, Gileandos wrote:
At 2/24/2012 9:31:18 PM, lewis20 wrote:
At 2/24/2012 9:28:05 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 2/24/2012 9:25:24 PM, lewis20 wrote:
At 2/24/2012 9:20:11 PM, Gileandos wrote:
Nothing about his statements were inaccurate. Did you miss the context of reforming Islam to eliminate the radicals and Sharia?

Is there battle between Christians and Muslims?

Radical Islamists are vs all of us, so indirectly yes.

He's not talking about only Radical Islam.

Yes he is in this video and context. That is not to say he would not love to evangelize them.

I feel like, if this video isn't convincing, nothing I say can convince you, so I'll leave it at agreeing to disagree.
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2/24/2012 9:44:53 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/24/2012 9:40:14 PM, lewis20 wrote:
At 2/24/2012 9:37:50 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 2/24/2012 9:35:17 PM, lewis20 wrote:
At 2/24/2012 9:28:05 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 2/24/2012 9:25:24 PM, lewis20 wrote:
At 2/24/2012 9:20:11 PM, Gileandos wrote:
Nothing about his statements were inaccurate. Did you miss the context of reforming Islam to eliminate the radicals and Sharia?

Is there battle between Christians and Muslims?

Radical Islamists are vs all of us, so indirectly yes.

Also on that point, by all of us you mean Americans right? They hate us because we are free and let women drive right?

They hate everyone...

So radicalized Muslims hate everyone?
Not more specifically an occupier of their countries and killer of their peoples?

They attacked us because we where in saudi Arabia and making sure Assam doesn't invade kuaitt, again. They got overly pissed. If Germans had troops here watching Canada we would not be pissed. Radical gigs fists are CRAZY. You blaming it on us is naive.
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2/24/2012 9:50:11 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Santorum or Paul 2012, those 2 are the only good ones. I hate liberal republicans... Romney leave our party then you won't bug me... Newt flip flipped his moderatness away in 2007...
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https://rekonomics.wordpress.com...
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2/24/2012 9:50:29 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/24/2012 9:44:53 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 2/24/2012 9:40:14 PM, lewis20 wrote:
At 2/24/2012 9:37:50 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 2/24/2012 9:35:17 PM, lewis20 wrote:
At 2/24/2012 9:28:05 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 2/24/2012 9:25:24 PM, lewis20 wrote:
At 2/24/2012 9:20:11 PM, Gileandos wrote:
Nothing about his statements were inaccurate. Did you miss the context of reforming Islam to eliminate the radicals and Sharia?

Is there battle between Christians and Muslims?

Radical Islamists are vs all of us, so indirectly yes.

Also on that point, by all of us you mean Americans right? They hate us because we are free and let women drive right?

They hate everyone...

So radicalized Muslims hate everyone?
Not more specifically an occupier of their countries and killer of their peoples?

They attacked us because we where in saudi Arabia and making sure Assam doesn't invade kuaitt, again. They got overly pissed. If Germans had troops here watching Canada we would not be pissed. Radical gigs fists are CRAZY. You blaming it on us is naive.

I have to agree with 16Kadams here.
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2/24/2012 10:00:57 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/24/2012 9:50:11 PM, 16kadams wrote:
Santorum or Paul 2012, those 2 are the only good ones. I hate liberal republicans... Romney leave our party then you won't bug me... Newt flip flipped his moderatness away in 2007...

Paul and Santorum are mortal enemies though??
Santorum has vowed to fight against libertarian influence in the conservative movement and firmly believes Paul would be the end of Israel.
Santorum and paul don't even agree on fiscal or monetary policy.
They don't agree on social policy.
I honest am not sure what they agree on.
I guess Santorum does *say he wants to shrink the size of govt, which part of govt. is anyone's guess.
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2/24/2012 10:41:57 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/24/2012 9:44:53 PM, 16kadams wrote:

They attacked us because we where in saudi Arabia and making sure Assam doesn't invade kuaitt, again. They got overly pissed. If Germans had troops here watching Canada we would not be pissed. Radical gigs fists are CRAZY. You blaming it on us is naive.

We were in Saudi Arabia, an authoritarian regime we support, to protect Kuwait, an authoritarian regime we support, from our previous ally we helped install as dictator. All of this for oil. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with us wanting oil, I appreciate the cheap gas, but I am saying we can't expect to do all this without making a few enemies.

Looking at American history in the middle east I don't see how you can't make the connection between our actions and the radicalization of some muslims.
I further don't see how the only logical position from this point on is to leave that barren desert that is South Asia.
Bin Laden told us what he was going to do to us and we fell right into his trap.
He wanted to get us over there where our men and women could be killed easier and where we could overstretch our military and eventually bankrupt ours country. That is exactly what we are doing.
Tell me he is wrong..
"All that we have to do is to send two mujahedeen to the furthest point east to raise a piece of cloth on which is written al Qaeda, in order to make generals race there to cause America to suffer human, economic and political losses without their achieving anything of note other than some benefits for their private corporations," - Bin Laden
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2/24/2012 10:58:12 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/24/2012 9:06:15 PM, lewis20 wrote:
Tell me after hearing this speech that Rick Santorum isn't on a modern crusade to, and I quote, "educate, engage,evaluate and eradicate" Islam.
Everything he says just wreaks of ignorance and mis-information.


Eradicate Islam? I'd love to see any army make an attempt. They'd be crushed like rocks thrown from mountains. Western soldiers are generally cowards, fighting because they have nothing else to do, or because that's the only way they can earn a living. They experience a few bombings and get mentally handicapped forever. Muslims are used to fighting, and they can never be ultimately defeated. Attempts have been made for 14 centuries. No luck.
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2/24/2012 11:03:43 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/24/2012 10:58:12 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 2/24/2012 9:06:15 PM, lewis20 wrote:
Tell me after hearing this speech that Rick Santorum isn't on a modern crusade to, and I quote, "educate, engage,evaluate and eradicate" Islam.
Everything he says just wreaks of ignorance and mis-information.


Eradicate Islam? I'd love to see any army make an attempt. They'd be crushed like rocks thrown from mountains. Western soldiers are generally cowards, fighting because they have nothing else to do, or because that's the only way they can earn a living. They experience a few bombings and get mentally handicapped forever. Muslims are used to fighting, and they can never be ultimately defeated. Attempts have been made for 14 centuries. No luck.

Haha I'd just assume not waste our money trying. Muslims don't pose a threat to us, we've been successfully stealing the oil out from under their countries for decades.
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2/24/2012 11:07:39 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/24/2012 11:03:43 PM, lewis20 wrote:
At 2/24/2012 10:58:12 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 2/24/2012 9:06:15 PM, lewis20 wrote:
Tell me after hearing this speech that Rick Santorum isn't on a modern crusade to, and I quote, "educate, engage,evaluate and eradicate" Islam.
Everything he says just wreaks of ignorance and mis-information.


Eradicate Islam? I'd love to see any army make an attempt. They'd be crushed like rocks thrown from mountains. Western soldiers are generally cowards, fighting because they have nothing else to do, or because that's the only way they can earn a living. They experience a few bombings and get mentally handicapped forever. Muslims are used to fighting, and they can never be ultimately defeated. Attempts have been made for 14 centuries. No luck.

Haha I'd just assume not waste our money trying. Muslims don't pose a threat to us, we've been successfully stealing the oil out from under their countries for decades.
Nice, keep laughing. Want a backfire? Muslims in many Western countries are the largest social frauds. They literally take billions from the states that support their lives directly. Not something to be proud of, but something that backfires your idiotic statement right away.
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2/24/2012 11:17:35 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/24/2012 11:07:39 PM, Mirza wrote:
Nice, keep laughing. Want a backfire? Muslims in many Western countries are the largest social frauds. They literally take billions from the states that support their lives directly. Not something to be proud of, but something that backfires your idiotic statement right away.

That makes no sense at all.
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2/24/2012 11:21:28 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/24/2012 11:17:35 PM, lewis20 wrote:
At 2/24/2012 11:07:39 PM, Mirza wrote:
Nice, keep laughing. Want a backfire? Muslims in many Western countries are the largest social frauds. They literally take billions from the states that support their lives directly. Not something to be proud of, but something that backfires your idiotic statement right away.

That makes no sense at all.
I'll explain it in amateur terms: You're proud of your soldiers stealing the oil that belongs to Muslims, and I'm telling you that Muslims steal Western goods too. It's not anything to be proud of, but it's just as sneaky as Westerners taking oil from Muslims.
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2/24/2012 11:24:27 PM
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At 2/24/2012 11:21:28 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 2/24/2012 11:17:35 PM, lewis20 wrote:
At 2/24/2012 11:07:39 PM, Mirza wrote:
Nice, keep laughing. Want a backfire? Muslims in many Western countries are the largest social frauds. They literally take billions from the states that support their lives directly. Not something to be proud of, but something that backfires your idiotic statement right away.

That makes no sense at all.
I'll explain it in amateur terms: You're proud of your soldiers stealing the oil that belongs to Muslims, and I'm telling you that Muslims steal Western goods too. It's not anything to be proud of, but it's just as sneaky as Westerners taking oil from Muslims.

Thanks for dumbing it down for my feeble mind but I don't think arguing with you is going to change either of our minds so I'll leave you to it.
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2/24/2012 11:28:24 PM
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At 2/24/2012 11:24:27 PM, lewis20 wrote:
At 2/24/2012 11:21:28 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 2/24/2012 11:17:35 PM, lewis20 wrote:
At 2/24/2012 11:07:39 PM, Mirza wrote:
Nice, keep laughing. Want a backfire? Muslims in many Western countries are the largest social frauds. They literally take billions from the states that support their lives directly. Not something to be proud of, but something that backfires your idiotic statement right away.

That makes no sense at all.
I'll explain it in amateur terms: You're proud of your soldiers stealing the oil that belongs to Muslims, and I'm telling you that Muslims steal Western goods too. It's not anything to be proud of, but it's just as sneaky as Westerners taking oil from Muslims.

Thanks for dumbing it down for my feeble mind but I don't think arguing with you is going to change either of our minds so I'll leave you to it.
You made no valuable argument I could detect either. I was making a point to clarify something and break your sad hopes. Keep dreaming your dreams, maybe one day you'll grow into being the hero that will lead the West into its final battle against Islam!

Idiocy these days.
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2/25/2012 6:48:38 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/24/2012 9:06:15 PM, lewis20 wrote:
Tell me after hearing this speech that Rick Santorum isn't on a modern crusade to, and I quote, "educate, engage,evaluate and eradicate" Islam.
Everything he says just wreaks of ignorance and mis-information.


Rick Santorum is not on a crusade, happy? You guys are real haters when omeone speak from a position of faith that is in flux, based on long held principles and contrary t the sociological correctness de jour. If the US has an enemy it is Fundamentalist Islam.
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2/25/2012 9:01:25 AM
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There are people actually defending this man? This makes me realise one of two things: either they do not fully understand what he is saying or they do not understand Islam.
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2/25/2012 9:06:07 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/24/2012 11:28:24 PM, Mirza wrote:
You made no valuable argument I could detect either. I was making a point to clarify something and break your sad hopes. Keep dreaming your dreams, maybe one day you'll grow into being the hero that will lead the West into its final battle against Islam!

Idiocy these days.

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2/25/2012 9:08:49 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/24/2012 9:50:11 PM, 16kadams wrote:
Santorum or Paul 2012, those 2 are the only good ones. I hate liberal republicans... Romney leave our party then you won't bug me... Newt flip flipped his moderatness away in 2007...:

Santorum and Paul are polar opposites, possibly more so than juxtaposing any other candidates with one another. That you can't see that discredits your credibility to make sound judgments.

Santorum is a moral crusader who is potentially every bit as dangerous as the individuals he views as a threat. Santorum is a very dangerous man to the security of the United States.
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2/25/2012 9:15:12 AM
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You made no valuable argument I could detect either. I was making a point to clarify something and break your sad hopes. Keep dreaming your dreams, maybe one day you'll grow into being the hero that will lead the West into its final battle against Islam!

Idiocy these days.:

Do you have some kind of mental defect, Mirza? He plainly stated that Islam is not a threat and that Santorum is leading a moral crusade against Islam. That means he doesn't support any battle against Islam. But that's just not good enough for you. Apparently you're so insecure about your own Muslim beliefs that any hint of dissent and you talk of Islam having final battles.

You have an uncanny ability to shift from moderate Islam to Wahabbi Islam in the blink of an eye.
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2/25/2012 9:21:02 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/25/2012 9:08:49 AM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
At 2/24/2012 9:50:11 PM, 16kadams wrote:
Santorum or Paul 2012, those 2 are the only good ones. I hate liberal republicans... Romney leave our party then you won't bug me... Newt flip flipped his moderatness away in 2007...:

Santorum and Paul are polar opposites, possibly more so than juxtaposing any other candidates with one another. That you can't see that discredits your credibility to make sound judgments.

Santorum is a moral crusader who is potentially every bit as dangerous as the individuals he views as a threat. Santorum is a very dangerous man to the security of the United States.

Neither are moral crusaders.
Both are anti-federalists.

Most republicans agree with libertarians save on foreign policy.

Ronald Reagan spoke often about God and morals but did not legislate those Christian morals. Christians, in America specifically, see that changing the hearts and minds is where we win.

We do not legislate Christian morals on people, but we will legislate natural morals.
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2/25/2012 9:23:29 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/25/2012 9:01:25 AM, Gunpowder_Philosopher wrote:
There are people actually defending this man? This makes me realise one of two things: either they do not fully understand what he is saying or they do not understand Islam.

LOL or the alternative, which i more likely. Fact are, opinion maybe.